"nraclaptrap" <nraclaptrap@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:Xns9BDF8EB82E86Apiotu0345go2r3ndec@216.196.97.131...
> January 29, 2009
>
> Man avoids jail for shooting at party
>
> By Kimball Perry
>
> At his daughter's Halloween party in Hartwell last year,
> Robert Stahl was asked by one of several children there if
> he was dressed as a cowboy because he had a handgun strapped
> to his hip.
>
> Stahl, 71 at the time, of Colerain Township, smiled, said he
> wasn't a cowboy and then took the gun out and unloaded the
> ammunition from the gun's magazine.
>
> Unfortunately for 10-year-old Jasmine Vincenzo, he left a
> .45-caliber bullet in the gun's chamber that went off and
> hit the girl in the stomach.
>
> "I'm shocked that she's still alive. A .45 is one of the
> biggest caliber handguns you can get," Hamilton County
> Municipal Judge Bernie Bouchard said Thursday.
>
> Stahl was charged with negligent assault, a third-degree
> misdemeanor.
>
> He pleaded no contest to the charge Thursday and Bouchard
> convicted him. The judge didn't send him to jail because
> Stahl has no prior criminal record, but placed him on house
> arrest for 60 days.
>
> Bouchard also ordered Stahl to be serve two years probation,
> pay a $500 fine and do 100 hours of community service. If
> Stahl violates his probation, he faces 60 days in jail.
>
> Bouchard also ordered Stahl's handgun destroyed, ordered him
> to forfeit his permit to carry a concealed weapon, that he
> not possess any weapons in the future and pay the girl's
> $11,944 medical bills.
>
> Bouchard told Stahl - who was active in a group of citizens
> who patrol in Colerain Township - how stupid it was to take
> a loaded gun to a Halloween party with kids and how stupid
> it was to then to point it at someone.
>
> "He said he doesn't want anything to do with guns anymore,"
> the judge said.
>
> http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090129/NEWS0107/3012901
> 07
>
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> NRACLAPTRAP

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:42:40 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _" 
wrote:

|>
|>"nraclaptrap" <nraclaptrap@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
|>news:Xns9BDF8EB82E86Apiotu0345go2r3ndec@216.196.97.131...
|>> January 29, 2009
|>>
|>> Man avoids jail for shooting at party
|>>
|>> By Kimball Perry
|>>
|>> At his daughter's Halloween party in Hartwell last year,
|>> Robert Stahl was asked by one of several children there if
|>> he was dressed as a cowboy because he had a handgun strapped
|>> to his hip.
|>>
|>> Stahl, 71 at the time, of Colerain Township, smiled, said he
|>> wasn't a cowboy and then took the gun out and unloaded the
|>> ammunition from the gun's magazine.
|>>
|>> Unfortunately for 10-year-old Jasmine Vincenzo, he left a
|>> .45-caliber bullet in the gun's chamber that went off and
|>> hit the girl in the stomach.
|>>
|>> "I'm shocked that she's still alive. A .45 is one of the
|>> biggest caliber handguns you can get," Hamilton County
|>> Municipal Judge Bernie Bouchard said Thursday.
|>>
|>> Stahl was charged with negligent assault, a third-degree
|>> misdemeanor.
|>>
|>> He pleaded no contest to the charge Thursday and Bouchard
|>> convicted him. The judge didn't send him to jail because
|>> Stahl has no prior criminal record, but placed him on house
|>> arrest for 60 days.
|>>
|>> Bouchard also ordered Stahl to be serve two years probation,
|>> pay a $500 fine and do 100 hours of community service. If
|>> Stahl violates his probation, he faces 60 days in jail.
|>>
|>> Bouchard also ordered Stahl's handgun destroyed, ordered him
|>> to forfeit his permit to carry a concealed weapon, that he
|>> not possess any weapons in the future and pay the girl's
|>> $11,944 medical bills.
|>>
|>> Bouchard told Stahl - who was active in a group of citizens
|>> who patrol in Colerain Township - how stupid it was to take
|>> a loaded gun to a Halloween party with kids and how stupid
|>> it was to then to point it at someone.
|>>
|>> "He said he doesn't want anything to do with guns anymore,"
|>> the judge said.
|>>
|>> http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090129/NEWS0107/3012901
|>> 07
|>>
|>>
|>>
|>> -- 
|>>
|>>
|>> NRACLAPTRAP 
|>

The link (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090129/NEWS0107/301290107)
didn't work, maybe snope it?

	What kind of asshole like that ever got a CCW Permit in the 1st
place, shit!!!!!!, he's going to make a milestone with the anti-gun tree
huggers.....

	I hope he pays ALL the little girls bills

	*You're Cherry Picking A bunch of Assholes......I usually list
dozens in a single POST....*

R. LaCasse wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:42:40 -0600, "_ Prof. Jonez _" 
> wrote:
> 
> |>
> |>"nraclaptrap" <nraclaptrap@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> |>news:Xns9BDF8EB82E86Apiotu0345go2r3ndec@216.196.97.131...
> |>> January 29, 2009
> |>>
> |>> Man avoids jail for shooting at party
> |>>
> |>> By Kimball Perry
> |>>
> |>> At his daughter's Halloween party in Hartwell last year,
> |>> Robert Stahl was asked by one of several children there if
> |>> he was dressed as a cowboy because he had a handgun strapped
> |>> to his hip.
> |>>
> |>> Stahl, 71 at the time, of Colerain Township, smiled, said he
> |>> wasn't a cowboy and then took the gun out and unloaded the
> |>> ammunition from the gun's magazine.
> |>>
> |>> Unfortunately for 10-year-old Jasmine Vincenzo, he left a
> |>> .45-caliber bullet in the gun's chamber that went off and
> |>> hit the girl in the stomach.
> |>>
> |>> "I'm shocked that she's still alive. A .45 is one of the
> |>> biggest caliber handguns you can get," Hamilton County
> |>> Municipal Judge Bernie Bouchard said Thursday.
> |>>
> |>> Stahl was charged with negligent assault, a third-degree
> |>> misdemeanor.
> |>>
> |>> He pleaded no contest to the charge Thursday and Bouchard
> |>> convicted him. The judge didn't send him to jail because
> |>> Stahl has no prior criminal record, but placed him on house
> |>> arrest for 60 days.
> |>>
> |>> Bouchard also ordered Stahl to be serve two years probation,
> |>> pay a $500 fine and do 100 hours of community service. If
> |>> Stahl violates his probation, he faces 60 days in jail.
> |>>
> |>> Bouchard also ordered Stahl's handgun destroyed, ordered him
> |>> to forfeit his permit to carry a concealed weapon, that he
> |>> not possess any weapons in the future and pay the girl's
> |>> $11,944 medical bills.
> |>>
> |>> Bouchard told Stahl - who was active in a group of citizens
> |>> who patrol in Colerain Township - how stupid it was to take
> |>> a loaded gun to a Halloween party with kids and how stupid
> |>> it was to then to point it at someone.
> |>>
> |>> "He said he doesn't want anything to do with guns anymore,"
> |>> the judge said.
> |>>
> |>> http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090129/NEWS0107/3012901
> |>> 07
> |>>
> |>>
> |>>
> |>> -- 
> |>>
> |>>
> |>> NRACLAPTRAP 
> |>
> 
> The link (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090129/NEWS0107/301290107)
> didn't work, maybe snope it?

The link works.  Watch out for the carriage returns that newsreaders put 
in overlong lines.  If you simply copy the top and bottom lines, you'll 
get a phantom cr as well.

AFAICT, that one article is the only place this is ever mentioned. 
Makes me wonder if it really is factual.

> 
> 	What kind of asshole like that ever got a CCW Permit in the 1st
> place, shit!!!!!!, he's going to make a milestone with the anti-gun tree
> huggers.....

Unfortunately true.

> 
> 	I hope he pays ALL the little girls bills
> 
> 	*You're Cherry Picking A bunch of Assholes......I usually list
> dozens in a single POST....*

Jabba does that.  He only picks things which suit his agenda and then 
dances dances dances dances in the blood.


-- 
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952

Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:18:27 -0400, Bama Brian 
wrote:

|>
|>> The link (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090129/NEWS0107/301290107)
|>> didn't work, maybe snope it?
|>
|>The link works.  Watch out for the carriage returns that newsreaders put 
|>in overlong lines.  If you simply copy the top and bottom lines, you'll 
|>get a phantom cr as well.
|>

	Strangely enough, I tried the link as Above (......) and got a 404
every time saying the "page was missing".....

|>AFAICT, that one article is the only place this is ever mentioned. 
|>Makes me wonder if it really is factual.

	 NRACLAPTRAP's other links worked......but then it takes all kinds
of individuals to make a designated Group.....

	THEY always take 1 bad incident and hover around it, somtimes for
years, and all I do is play there game like a mirror....
-- 
Triad Productions-Fantalla?~EZine~ParaNovel
National Association of Assault Research
(http://tarbitch.balder.prohosting.com/htmlconc. html)

Bob wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:18:27 -0400, Bama Brian
>  wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> The link
>>>> (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20090129/NEWS0107/301290107)
>>>> didn't work, maybe snope it?
>>>
>>> The link works.  Watch out for the carriage returns that
>>> newsreaders put in overlong lines.  If you simply copy the top and
>>> bottom lines, you'll get a phantom cr as well.
>>>
>
> Strangely enough, I tried the link as Above (......) and got a 404
> every time saying the "page was missing".....

Works just fine for me.

Try http://tinyurl.com/c2j9nw

It's a tinyurl link to the same page.



>>> AFAICT, that one article is the only place this is ever mentioned.
>>> Makes me wonder if it really is factual.
>
> NRACLAPTRAP's other links worked......but then it takes all kinds
> of individuals to make a designated Group.....
>
> THEY always take 1 bad incident and hover around it, somtimes for
> years, and all I do is play there game like a mirror....

On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:43:28 -0400, "Scout"
 wrote:

|>> Strangely enough, I tried the link as Above (......) and got a 404
|>> every time saying the "page was missing".....
|>
|>Works just fine for me.
|>
|>Try http://tinyurl.com/c2j9nw
|>
|>It's a tinyurl link to the same page.

	Just installed a new scsi HDD....thanx for the Q&D (Quick&Dirty)
link...too.....

One of the Striking "notes" on this page citing, is the connotation of one
person:
	"I’m shocked that she’s still alive. A .45 is one of the biggest
caliber handguns you can get,” Hamilton County Municipal Judge Bernie
Bouchard said Thursday."

	The fact is, a .45 ACP 200+/- grains, won't usually go as far as .22
viper handgun.....at least the .45 ACP "ball" ammo won't...

	People have the concept of "bigger number" etched in their
uneducated brains.....these are the kind of ppl who make up/legislate these
gun laws...."under guise of public safety" facades.

	The relatively insignificant thickness of the .45ACP over the .22cal
is just 2X, and what that has to do with a COM hit doesn't really add up to
the internal vital organ damage count that is construed in a kill...

	Although stopping power is a bit different to calculate since:
SP=stopping power

.454 Cassull = 120%
.50 AE D. Eagle=120%
.45Glasser=100% SP
.45acp= 75%  SP
.22Viper-40%  SP

	Since there is no real Vortex/spin to a handgun round, the vital
organ damage is minimal compared to the Vortex created by a rifle round...

Bob
-- 
Triad Productions-Fantalla®~EZine~ParaNovel
National Association of Assault Research
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