On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:21:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill" 
wrote:

>
>"10x"  wrote in message 
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>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:19:44 +1100, "Blinky Bill" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"10x"  wrote in message
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>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100, "Blinky Bill" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Ah, it was me who was confused.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perpetually.
>>>>>
>>>>>> And that caused you to misunderstand.
>>>>>> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.
>>>>>> increases.
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in
>>>>>> the U.S. of A. decreases.
>>>>>
>>>>>Evidence?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My apology.  I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of
>>>>>> firearms murder in the U.S.A.
>>>>>
>>>>>It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and 
>>>>>made
>>>>>no
>>>>>mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you wished
>>>>>you
>>>>>had made.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate
>>>>>> compared to other countries.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does it? What evidence do you have for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Do you blame that on the presense of
>>>>>> firearms as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't even know if it is true yet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently there is a great deal of information you don't care to find
>>>> out about.
>>>
>>>And even more apparently you like to make up factoids for your gun-loon
>>>propaganda and pretend you can bluff/bluster your way out of providing
>>>evidence.
>>
>> You asked for it.
>
>On several occasions.
>
>> The BATF (USA) reported that there were 4.5 million firearms added to
>> the numbers of firearm in the U.S.A. every year. \
>
>Cite?

Here is the raw data for firearms number manufactured, imported, and
exported in the U.S.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/stats/index.htm

I have to recind my claim of 4.5 million guns added, that is the
number sold each year.  The number added is in the ATF Reports.
The source I found used the term added and I did not verify it.

>> They also reported
>> no correlation (or a negative one) between the civilian firearms
>> inventory and the firearms death rate.
>
>Cite?
>
>
>>
>>
>> Not to mention the U.S. Health and Human services has provided
>> mortality information from 1994 to 2005 showing that the cause of
>> death from all incidents is dropping slower than the cause of death
>> from firearms incidents.
>> For example between 1994 and 2005 child homicide dropped 28.2%, during
>> that same time the subset of child homicide in firearms incidents
>> dropped 54.0%
>> During the same period all homicides dropped 34.5% and the subset of
>> firearm incident homicides dropped 37.4%
>> This indicates that there are more firearms per year in the U.S. and
>> there are fewer firearms homicides.
>
>I'm still waiting for evidence that the firearm murder (or homicide) rate 
>dropped "every year", which is your original claim.

Take a bit of time and  check  the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
 
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm

Make sure you read it all.  There is a slight dropping trend in
firearms homicide in the U.S.

>>>> Too bad you don't bother to do a little research.
>>>
>>>And even more of a pity that you didn't - if you had, you would have some
>>>credibility, but as it stands you have none.
>>>
>>
>> I just did a little research.  It is actual research that uses the raw
>> of the FBI and gives us a reasonable idea of what is happening in
>> society.
>
>Cite that "raw of the FBI" so I can see it.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm

and 
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fidc9397.pdf

Does that help you???

"10x"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:21:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"10x"  wrote in message
>>news:466qs49spf9pgv7e10sdf2nerl7kpp92ao@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:19:44 +1100, "Blinky Bill" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"10x"  wrote in message
>>>>news:dggps4lscp1f9qhb6jn7j7fe79bg170p45@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100, "Blinky Bill" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, it was me who was confused.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perpetually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that caused you to misunderstand.
>>>>>>> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.
>>>>>>> increases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Evidence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in
>>>>>>> the U.S. of A. decreases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Evidence?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My apology.  I didn't realize you were refering to the total number 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> firearms murder in the U.S.A.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and
>>>>>>made
>>>>>>no
>>>>>>mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you 
>>>>>>wished
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>had made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder 
>>>>>>> rate
>>>>>>> compared to other countries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does it? What evidence do you have for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Do you blame that on the presense of
>>>>>>> firearms as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't even know if it is true yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently there is a great deal of information you don't care to find
>>>>> out about.
>>>>
>>>>And even more apparently you like to make up factoids for your gun-loon
>>>>propaganda and pretend you can bluff/bluster your way out of providing
>>>>evidence.
>>>
>>> You asked for it.
>>
>>On several occasions.
>>
>>> The BATF (USA) reported that there were 4.5 million firearms added to
>>> the numbers of firearm in the U.S.A. every year. \
>>
>>Cite?
>
> Here is the raw data for firearms number manufactured, imported, and
> exported in the U.S.
>
> http://www.atf.gov/firearms/stats/index.htm
>
> I have to recind my claim of 4.5 million guns added, that is the
> number sold each year.

Go figure.

>  The number added is in the ATF Reports.
> The source I found used the term added and I did not verify it.

That's why you have zero credibility - and why I have to keep pushing you to 
reaearch your claims. If you had any credibility and sense you would do your 
research BEFORE making a claim.

And the numbers don't consider firearms that exit the population due to 
destruction or illegal export.

>
>>> They also reported
>>> no correlation (or a negative one) between the civilian firearms
>>> inventory and the firearms death rate.
>>
>>Cite?
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not to mention the U.S. Health and Human services has provided
>>> mortality information from 1994 to 2005 showing that the cause of
>>> death from all incidents is dropping slower than the cause of death
>>> from firearms incidents.
>>> For example between 1994 and 2005 child homicide dropped 28.2%, during
>>> that same time the subset of child homicide in firearms incidents
>>> dropped 54.0%
>>> During the same period all homicides dropped 34.5% and the subset of
>>> firearm incident homicides dropped 37.4%
>>> This indicates that there are more firearms per year in the U.S. and
>>> there are fewer firearms homicides.
>>
>>I'm still waiting for evidence that the firearm murder (or homicide) rate
>>dropped "every year", which is your original claim.
>
> Take a bit of time and  check  the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
>
> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm
>
> Make sure you read it all.

<yawn> I've read it several times - a pity you didn't do that before you 
made your claim.


>  There is a slight dropping trend in
> firearms homicide in the U.S.

The rate is not decreasing "every year".

>
>>>>> Too bad you don't bother to do a little research.
>>>>
>>>>And even more of a pity that you didn't - if you had, you would have 
>>>>some
>>>>credibility, but as it stands you have none.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I just did a little research.  It is actual research that uses the raw
>>> of the FBI and gives us a reasonable idea of what is happening in
>>> society.
>>
>>Cite that "raw of the FBI" so I can see it.
>
> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/guncrime.htm

When I click on the chart to look at the raw data I get sent to
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/guncrimetab.htm
which lists the firearm homicide rate. My quick count  shows 12years of the 
period covered where the homicide rate increased. So obviously your claim 
that it decreased "every year" is false. Once again you prove why you have 
zero credibility.

>
> and
> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fidc9397.pdf
>
> Does that help you???

No - citing figures for 1993-7 does not provide proof for your claim that 
the firearm homicide rate fell "every year."

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:23:48 +1100, "Blinky Bill" 
wrote:

>> Take a bit of time and  check  the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
>>
>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm
>>
>> Make sure you read it all.
>
><yawn> I've read it several times - a pity you didn't do that before you 
>made your claim.
>
>
>>  There is a slight dropping trend in
>> firearms homicide in the U.S.
>
>The rate is not decreasing "every year".
>

You are right it is a trend. Some years lower, some years slightly
higher, but over a period of time  LOWER.
You really don't like to loose do you?

"10x"  wrote in message
news:lkjss4lu9e4ejjkt31h63ld8i7p9g8c3ve@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:23:48 +1100, "Blinky Bill" 
> wrote:
>
>>> Take a bit of time and  check  the Bureau of Justice Statistics.
>>>
>>> http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/weapons.htm
>>>
>>> Make sure you read it all.
>>
>><yawn> I've read it several times - a pity you didn't do that before you
>>made your claim.
>>
>>
>>>  There is a slight dropping trend in
>>> firearms homicide in the U.S.
>>
>>The rate is not decreasing "every year".
>>
>
> You are right

Gee, yet again - fancy that, from Mr Zero Credibility..

> it is a trend. Some years lower, some years slightly
> higher, but over a period of time  LOWER.

So it isn't decreasing "every year" as you claimed.

> You really don't like to loose do you?

I'm not familiar with "loosing", why don't you describe what it is like
ROTFLMAO