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date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:17:28 GMT,
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
wrote:
>
>"10x" wrote in message
>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly
>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what
>>>>>> method they use.
>>>>>
>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the US.
>>>>
>>>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation will the
>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>>>
>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>>>2001 8890
>>>2002 9528
>>>2003 9659
>>>2004 9385
>>>2005 10100
>>>2006 10177
>>>
>>
>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...
>> This bit is very interesting.
>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11
>
>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.
>
You are absolutely right. It does not contradict the numbers you
cited, but it puts them into perspective.
date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:17:28 GMT
author: 10x 10x@telu?s.net
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
"10x" wrote in message
news:el5is4tldod7net2a2kiggd8bqsgcjb7so@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"10x" wrote in message
>>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly
>>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what
>>>>>>> method they use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the
>>>>>>US.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation will the
>>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
>>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>>>>
>>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>>>>2001 8890
>>>>2002 9528
>>>>2003 9659
>>>>2004 9385
>>>>2005 10100
>>>>2006 10177
>>>>
>>>
>>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...
>>> This bit is very interesting.
>>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11
>>
>>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.
>>
>
> You are absolutely right. It does not contradict the numbers you
> cited, but it puts them into perspective.
And the perspective does not show them to be decreasing, as you claimed.
date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:58 +1100
author: Blinky Bill
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
wrote:
>
>"10x" wrote in message
>news:el5is4tldod7net2a2kiggd8bqsgcjb7so@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly
>>>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what
>>>>>>>> method they use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the
>>>>>>>US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation will the
>>>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>>>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
>>>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>>>>>2001 8890
>>>>>2002 9528
>>>>>2003 9659
>>>>>2004 9385
>>>>>2005 10100
>>>>>2006 10177
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...
>>>> This bit is very interesting.
>>>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11
>>>
>>>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.
>>>
>>
>> You are absolutely right. It does not contradict the numbers you
>> cited, but it puts them into perspective.
>
>And the perspective does not show them to be decreasing, ( SNIP )
Once again, absolutely right the gross numbers are not decreasing, the
numbers per 100,000 (as a proportion of the total population) are
decreasing.
date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:01:15 GMT
author: 10x 10x@telu?s.net
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
"10x" wrote in message
news:kq0js456mde6lhigggvpqcanek43ollts4@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"10x" wrote in message
>>news:el5is4tldod7net2a2kiggd8bqsgcjb7so@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly
>>>>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what
>>>>>>>>> method they use.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the
>>>>>>>>US.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation will
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>>>>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
>>>>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>>>>>>2001 8890
>>>>>>2002 9528
>>>>>>2003 9659
>>>>>>2004 9385
>>>>>>2005 10100
>>>>>>2006 10177
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...
>>>>> This bit is very interesting.
>>>>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11
>>>>
>>>>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are absolutely right. It does not contradict the numbers you
>>> cited, but it puts them into perspective.
>>
>>And the perspective does not show them to be decreasing, ( SNIP )
>
> Once again, absolutely right the gross numbers are not decreasing,
Then why did you claim they were decreasing evry year?
date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:32:17 +1100
author: Blinky Bill
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:32:17 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
wrote:
>
>"10x" wrote in message
>news:kq0js456mde6lhigggvpqcanek43ollts4@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>news:el5is4tldod7net2a2kiggd8bqsgcjb7so@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>>>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care what
>>>>>>>>>> method they use.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in the
>>>>>>>>>US.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation will
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>>>>>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
>>>>>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>>>>>>>2001 8890
>>>>>>>2002 9528
>>>>>>>2003 9659
>>>>>>>2004 9385
>>>>>>>2005 10100
>>>>>>>2006 10177
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...
>>>>>> This bit is very interesting.
>>>>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11
>>>>>
>>>>>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are absolutely right. It does not contradict the numbers you
>>>> cited, but it puts them into perspective.
>>>
>>>And the perspective does not show them to be decreasing, ( SNIP )
>>
>> Once again, absolutely right the gross numbers are not decreasing,
>
>Then why did you claim they were decreasing evry year?
Didn't claim that, did claim that the numbers as a percentage of the
population were decreasing.
Are you always this confused?
>
date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:43:03 GMT
author: 10x 10x@telu?s.net
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
"10x" wrote in message
news:ahfos49rmnufrh2v2nj3agho8vshg50rgi@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:32:17 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"10x" wrote in message
>>news:kq0js456mde6lhigggvpqcanek43ollts4@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>news:el5is4tldod7net2a2kiggd8bqsgcjb7so@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate
>>>>>>>>>>>>certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>>>>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> method they use.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>US.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation will
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>>>>>>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S.
>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>>>>>>>>2001 8890
>>>>>>>>2002 9528
>>>>>>>>2003 9659
>>>>>>>>2004 9385
>>>>>>>>2005 10100
>>>>>>>>2006 10177
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...
>>>>>>> This bit is very interesting.
>>>>>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are absolutely right. It does not contradict the numbers you
>>>>> cited, but it puts them into perspective.
>>>>
>>>>And the perspective does not show them to be decreasing, ( SNIP )
>>>
>>> Once again, absolutely right the gross numbers are not decreasing,
>>
>>Then why did you claim they were decreasing evry year?
>
> Didn't claim that, did claim that the numbers as a percentage of the
> population were decreasing.
You wrote
"The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
year and there are fewer murders with guns every year."
It is still towards the top of this post.
"...fewer murders with guns every year" - nothing about population or
percentages.
> Are you always this confused?
You are welcome to show me that I have misread attributions or that someone
else forged your post , but the
claim about "fewer murders with guns" made doesn't seem confusing to me - it
is a claim about numbers.
Why do think attributing it to you shows that I am confused?
date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:55:10 +1100
author: Blinky Bill
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:55:10 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
wrote:
>
>"10x" wrote in message
>news:ahfos49rmnufrh2v2nj3agho8vshg50rgi@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:32:17 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>news:kq0js456mde6lhigggvpqcanek43ollts4@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>news:el5is4tldod7net2a2kiggd8bqsgcjb7so@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> method they use.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>US.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation will
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S.
>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>>>>>>>>>2001 8890
>>>>>>>>>2002 9528
>>>>>>>>>2003 9659
>>>>>>>>>2004 9385
>>>>>>>>>2005 10100
>>>>>>>>>2006 10177
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...
>>>>>>>> This bit is very interesting.
>>>>>>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are absolutely right. It does not contradict the numbers you
>>>>>> cited, but it puts them into perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>>And the perspective does not show them to be decreasing, ( SNIP )
>>>>
>>>> Once again, absolutely right the gross numbers are not decreasing,
>>>
>>>Then why did you claim they were decreasing evry year?
>>
>> Didn't claim that, did claim that the numbers as a percentage of the
>> population were decreasing.
>
>You wrote
>"The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
>year and there are fewer murders with guns every year."
>It is still towards the top of this post.
>
>"...fewer murders with guns every year" - nothing about population or
>percentages.
>
>> Are you always this confused?
>
>You are welcome to show me that I have misread attributions or that someone
>else forged your post , but the
>claim about "fewer murders with guns" made doesn't seem confusing to me - it
>is a claim about numbers.
>
>Why do think attributing it to you shows that I am confused?
Ah, it was me who was confused.
And that caused you to misunderstand.
Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.
increases.
Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in
the U.S. of A. decreases.
My apology. I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of
firearms murder in the U.S.A.
Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate
compared to other countries. Do you blame that on the presense of
firearms as well?
date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 04:16:45 GMT
author: 10x 10x@telu?s.net
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
"10x" wrote in message
news:1chos4pns6e4tl2vijl0urjaott4uc17q9@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:55:10 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"10x" wrote in message
>>news:ahfos49rmnufrh2v2nj3agho8vshg50rgi@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:32:17 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>news:kq0js456mde6lhigggvpqcanek43ollts4@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:09:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>news:el5is4tldod7net2a2kiggd8bqsgcjb7so@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:47:05 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:9t4gs4lbm4lsj8hb8acog92vd0elqkdgtr@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 19:22:58 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:j9kas41oo1bc8ursnpq66m4krgrl4fkk38@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:58:31 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"10x" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:b6i9s4lsaf6so7lq3ks9ctb9crg16drjiq@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:15 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The exisiting laws are entirely adequate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What is your evidence for that? The US gun homicide rate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>suggests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Murder is against the law in the U.S.A.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks who have the intent to commit murder don't really care
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> method they use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And ???? The reality is that 2 /3 of of murders use firearms in
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>US.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that is a reality. IF you take guns out of the equation
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> number of murders drop or will will the methods change?
>>>>>>>>>>> The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>> year and there are fewer murders with guns every year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not true - the FBI figures for firearm homicide are
>>>>>>>>>>2001 8890
>>>>>>>>>>2002 9528
>>>>>>>>>>2003 9659
>>>>>>>>>>2004 9385
>>>>>>>>>>2005 10100
>>>>>>>>>>2006 10177
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Firearms and Violence, you should read it...
>>>>>>>>> This bit is very interesting.
>>>>>>>> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=10881&page=11
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have - it contains nothing to contradict the numbers I cited.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are absolutely right. It does not contradict the numbers you
>>>>>>> cited, but it puts them into perspective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And the perspective does not show them to be decreasing, ( SNIP )
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again, absolutely right the gross numbers are not decreasing,
>>>>
>>>>Then why did you claim they were decreasing evry year?
>>>
>>> Didn't claim that, did claim that the numbers as a percentage of the
>>> population were decreasing.
>>
>>You wrote
>>"The bottom line is, there are more guns available in the U.S. every
>>year and there are fewer murders with guns every year."
>>It is still towards the top of this post.
>>
>>"...fewer murders with guns every year" - nothing about population or
>>percentages.
>>
>>> Are you always this confused?
>>
>>You are welcome to show me that I have misread attributions or that
>>someone
>>else forged your post , but
>>the
>>claim about "fewer murders with guns" made doesn't seem confusing to me -
>>it
>>is a claim about numbers.
>>
>>Why do think attributing it to you shows that I am confused?
>
> Ah, it was me who was confused.
Perpetually.
> And that caused you to misunderstand.
> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.
> increases.
Evidence?
> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in
> the U.S. of A. decreases.
Evidence?
>
> My apology. I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of
> firearms murder in the U.S.A.
It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and made no
mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you wished you
had made.
>
> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate
> compared to other countries.
Does it? What evidence do you have for that.
> Do you blame that on the presense of
> firearms as well?
I don't even know if it is true yet.
date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100
author: Blinky Bill
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
wrote:
>> Ah, it was me who was confused.
>
>Perpetually.
>
>> And that caused you to misunderstand.
>> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.
>> increases.
>
>Evidence?
>
>
>> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in
>> the U.S. of A. decreases.
>
>Evidence?
>
>>
>> My apology. I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of
>> firearms murder in the U.S.A.
>
>It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and made no
>mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you wished you
>had made.
>
>
>>
>> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate
>> compared to other countries.
>
>Does it? What evidence do you have for that.
>
>
>> Do you blame that on the presense of
>> firearms as well?
>
>I don't even know if it is true yet.
>
Apparently there is a great deal of information you don't care to find
out about.
Too bad you don't bother to do a little research.
date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:05:44 GMT
author: 10x 10x@telu?s.net
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
"10x" wrote in message
news:dggps4lscp1f9qhb6jn7j7fe79bg170p45@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
> wrote:
>
>>> Ah, it was me who was confused.
>>
>>Perpetually.
>>
>>> And that caused you to misunderstand.
>>> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.
>>> increases.
>>
>>Evidence?
>>
>>
>>> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in
>>> the U.S. of A. decreases.
>>
>>Evidence?
>>
>>>
>>> My apology. I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of
>>> firearms murder in the U.S.A.
>>
>>It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and made
>>no
>>mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you wished
>>you
>>had made.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate
>>> compared to other countries.
>>
>>Does it? What evidence do you have for that.
>>
>>
>>> Do you blame that on the presense of
>>> firearms as well?
>>
>>I don't even know if it is true yet.
>>
>
> Apparently there is a great deal of information you don't care to find
> out about.
And even more apparently you like to make up factoids for your gun-loon
propaganda and pretend you can bluff/bluster your way out of providing
evidence.
> Too bad you don't bother to do a little research.
And even more of a pity that you didn't - if you had, you would have some
credibility, but as it stands you have none.
date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:19:44 +1100
author: Blinky Bill
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:19:44 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
wrote:
>
>"10x" wrote in message
>news:dggps4lscp1f9qhb6jn7j7fe79bg170p45@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Ah, it was me who was confused.
>>>
>>>Perpetually.
>>>
>>>> And that caused you to misunderstand.
>>>> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.
>>>> increases.
>>>
>>>Evidence?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in
>>>> the U.S. of A. decreases.
>>>
>>>Evidence?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My apology. I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of
>>>> firearms murder in the U.S.A.
>>>
>>>It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and made
>>>no
>>>mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you wished
>>>you
>>>had made.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate
>>>> compared to other countries.
>>>
>>>Does it? What evidence do you have for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you blame that on the presense of
>>>> firearms as well?
>>>
>>>I don't even know if it is true yet.
>>>
>>
>> Apparently there is a great deal of information you don't care to find
>> out about.
>
>And even more apparently you like to make up factoids for your gun-loon
>propaganda and pretend you can bluff/bluster your way out of providing
>evidence.
You asked for it.
The BATF (USA) reported that there were 4.5 million firearms added to
the numbers of firearm in the U.S.A. every year. They also reported
no correlation (or a negative one) between the civilian firearms
inventory and the firearms death rate.
Not to mention the U.S. Health and Human services has provided
mortality information from 1994 to 2005 showing that the cause of
death from all incidents is dropping slower than the cause of death
from firearms incidents.
For example between 1994 and 2005 child homicide dropped 28.2%, during
that same time the subset of child homicide in firearms incidents
dropped 54.0%
During the same period all homicides dropped 34.5% and the subset of
firearm incident homicides dropped 37.4%
This indicates that there are more firearms per year in the U.S. and
there are fewer firearms homicides.
>> Too bad you don't bother to do a little research.
>
>And even more of a pity that you didn't - if you had, you would have some
>credibility, but as it stands you have none.
>
I just did a little research. It is actual research that uses the raw
of the FBI and gives us a reasonable idea of what is happening in
society.
date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:23:50 GMT
author: 10x 10x@telu?s.net
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Re: Guns arent the problem, criminals are
"10x" wrote in message
news:466qs49spf9pgv7e10sdf2nerl7kpp92ao@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:19:44 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"10x" wrote in message
>>news:dggps4lscp1f9qhb6jn7j7fe79bg170p45@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:39:42 +1100, "Blinky Bill"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Ah, it was me who was confused.
>>>>
>>>>Perpetually.
>>>>
>>>>> And that caused you to misunderstand.
>>>>> Every year the number of firearms per 100,000 in the U.S.of A.
>>>>> increases.
>>>>
>>>>Evidence?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Every year the number of murders (and gunshot wounds) per 100,000 in
>>>>> the U.S. of A. decreases.
>>>>
>>>>Evidence?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My apology. I didn't realize you were refering to the total number of
>>>>> firearms murder in the U.S.A.
>>>>
>>>>It was you who referred to "fewer murders with guns every year" and
>>>>made
>>>>no
>>>>mention of rates. I addressed the claim you made, not the one you wished
>>>>you
>>>>had made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep in mind that the U.S.A. has a very high non firearms murder rate
>>>>> compared to other countries.
>>>>
>>>>Does it? What evidence do you have for that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Do you blame that on the presense of
>>>>> firearms as well?
>>>>
>>>>I don't even know if it is true yet.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently there is a great deal of information you don't care to find
>>> out about.
>>
>>And even more apparently you like to make up factoids for your gun-loon
>>propaganda and pretend you can bluff/bluster your way out of providing
>>evidence.
>
> You asked for it.
On several occasions.
> The BATF (USA) reported that there were 4.5 million firearms added to
> the numbers of firearm in the U.S.A. every year. \
Cite?
> They also reported
> no correlation (or a negative one) between the civilian firearms
> inventory and the firearms death rate.
Cite?
>
>
> Not to mention the U.S. Health and Human services has provided
> mortality information from 1994 to 2005 showing that the cause of
> death from all incidents is dropping slower than the cause of death
> from firearms incidents.
> For example between 1994 and 2005 child homicide dropped 28.2%, during
> that same time the subset of child homicide in firearms incidents
> dropped 54.0%
> During the same period all homicides dropped 34.5% and the subset of
> firearm incident homicides dropped 37.4%
> This indicates that there are more firearms per year in the U.S. and
> there are fewer firearms homicides.
I'm still waiting for evidence that the firearm murder (or homicide) rate
dropped "every year", which is your original claim.
>
>>> Too bad you don't bother to do a little research.
>>
>>And even more of a pity that you didn't - if you had, you would have some
>>credibility, but as it stands you have none.
>>
>
> I just did a little research. It is actual research that uses the raw
> of the FBI and gives us a reasonable idea of what is happening in
> society.
Cite that "raw of the FBI" so I can see it.
date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 08:21:05 +1100
author: Blinky Bill
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