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date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:44:18 -0800 (PST),    group: uk.politics.crime        back       
Police stop uppity black man........   
They pulled over a black man (suspected of having a gun), he became
lippy, so they tasered him. Now the Guardian and his local black MP
are outraged.

Police accused of firing Taser into head of innocent man

Robert Booth
Tuesday December 18, 2007
The Guardian

Police fired a 50,000-volt Taser into the head of a 45-year-old
company director who later proved to be unarmed and innocent. Daniel
Sylvester, the owner of an east London security firm employing 65
staff to guard council offices, pubs and nightclubs, was driving home
on October 20 when he was stopped by armed police because of "firearms
related intelligence".

According to Sylvester, he got out of his car and was surrounded by
officers, at least two of whom were carrying automatic weapons.
Without warning, one officer fired a Taser into the back of his head
which made him drop to his knees, he said. A second shock caused him
to fall on his face, breaking a front tooth. A further six shocks made
him wet himself and left him lying in the road in pain while the
officers and sniffer dogs searched the car and found nothing.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission has started an
investigation and David Lammy, Sylvester's MP in Tottenham, north
London, has written to Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police
commissioner, to say he is "deeply concerned".

The incident was part of Operation Neon, a crackdown on guns on
London's streets by using armed response units to stop and search
cars. Sylvester said the incident had left him traumatised and he now
suffered from short-term memory loss. He doubts the police would have
stopped him had he not been black. A spokesman for the Met said: "Just
after midnight, officers on an intelligence-led operation stopped a
car in Bounces Road, N9. The driver got out of the vehicle and was
subsequently Tasered. Our information is the Taser was deployed once."

Sylvester had been followed by police cars for about three miles
through Tottenham before they boxed him in.

"Armed police jumped out and opened my car door," he said. "I said OK,
I'm coming. I asked what was going on and as soon as I stepped out of
the car I felt something touch me on the back of the head and then I
was on my knees. Then it happened again and I was on my face and I
felt somebody pressing my head down with their foot. By the fifth time
I realised officers were pinning my arms together. It was like they
were trying to break my arms and I was in pain, screaming out.

"I was shocked eight times altogether and I had urinated on the floor.
It was like being tortured. It went on and on and I felt they were
going to kill me."

According to guidelines set by the Home Office and the Association of
Chief Police Officers, Tasers should be deployed "where officers are
facing violence or threats of violence of such severity that they
would need to use force to protect the public, themselves and/or the
subject(s) of their action". Tasers have been used 47 times in London
this year, with black people accounting for almost two-thirds of those
stunned.

The government extended the right to use Tasers for all firearms
officers in England and Wales this summer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2229041,00.html
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:44:18 -0800 (PST)   author:   unknown

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
maidenmerch@googlemail.com wrote:
> They pulled over a black man (suspected of having a gun), he became
> lippy, so they tasered him. Now the Guardian and his local black MP
> are outraged.
>
> Police accused of firing Taser into head of innocent man
>

If they genuinly thought he had a gun, they wouldnt have bothered tasering 
him. Are we not being told something? How could they have tasered him eight 
times?

Gaz
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:53:01 -0000   author:   Gaz

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
> He doubts the police would have
> stopped him had he not been black.


So?
With most of the gun, gang and drug related crime in this country being down
to blacks...why the fuck should we pussyfoot around 'targeting equeal
percentages of blacks and whites....just to appease politically correct
appologists.

Here's a tip...if the black population in our inner cities don't want to be
disproportionate victims of stop and search...then start getting a grip on
your fucking kids!
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:55:54 -0000   author:   onlyme

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
"onlyme"  wrote in message 
news:EfKdnbirG40AZvranZ2dnUVZ8vGdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>> He doubts the police would have
>> stopped him had he not been black.
>
>
> So?
> With most of the gun, gang and drug related crime in this country being 
> down
> to blacks...why the fuck should we pussyfoot around 'targeting equeal
> percentages of blacks and whites....just to appease politically correct
> appologists.

dont fall into the trap, just because the majority of this kind of crime is 
committed by Blacks, doesnt mean the majority of blacks commit the crime.

Gaz
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:57:41 -0000   author:   Gaz

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
"Gaz"  wrote in message
news:5sqc7iF1ak3vhU1@mid.individual.net...
> maidenmerch@googlemail.com wrote:
> > They pulled over a black man (suspected of having a gun), he became
> > lippy, so they tasered him. Now the Guardian and his local black MP
> > are outraged.
> >
> > Police accused of firing Taser into head of innocent man
> >
>
> If they genuinly thought he had a gun, they wouldnt have bothered tasering
> him. Are we not being told something? How could they have tasered him
eight
> times?
>
> Gaz
>
>


The dibilitating effects only last a few seconds apparently....if the
recipiant is being VERY agressive...seeing the 'red mists' etc...tasering
would only briefly hinder him.
But it's supposed to bring them down...so they can then be cuffed etc...so 8
times does sound very excessive....
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:05:34 -0000   author:   onlyme

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
"Gaz"  wrote in message
news:5sqcgaF1aki7pU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "onlyme"  wrote in message
> news:EfKdnbirG40AZvranZ2dnUVZ8vGdnZ2d@bt.com...
> >
> >> He doubts the police would have
> >> stopped him had he not been black.
> >
> >
> > So?
> > With most of the gun, gang and drug related crime in this country being
> > down
> > to blacks...why the fuck should we pussyfoot around 'targeting equeal
> > percentages of blacks and whites....just to appease politically correct
> > appologists.
>



> dont fall into the trap, just because the majority of this kind of crime
is
> committed by Blacks, doesnt mean the majority of blacks commit the crime.
>
> Gaz
>
>

True....but appologists such as Lammy won't even accept that the majority of
this type of crime *IS* committed by blacks.
And if you were the police...and needing to target resources effectively...
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:10:46 -0000   author:   onlyme

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
wrote in message 
news:70fc2dff-2fa0-40c5-b081-515d7606820b@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...

>the Guardian

~puke~
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:15:46 GMT   author:   mentalguy2004

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
-- 
If you stay ready, you dont have to get ready.
"Gaz"  wrote in message 
news:5sqc7iF1ak3vhU1@mid.individual.net...
> maidenmerch@googlemail.com wrote:
>> They pulled over a black man (suspected of having a gun), he became
>> lippy, so they tasered him. Now the Guardian and his local black MP
>> are outraged.
>>
>> Police accused of firing Taser into head of innocent man
>>
>
> If they genuinly thought he had a gun, they wouldnt have bothered tasering 
> him. Are we not being told something? How could they have tasered him 
> eight times?
>
> Gaz
>Easy they just keep squeezing the tirgger on the tazer and it will keep 
>shocking til the battery goes flat.
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:20:42 -0000   author:   The Rifleman

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
Its a good job he was not
Brasilian
A plumber
Wearing a denim jacket
Tanned
Boarding a train
carrying a chair leg.
lying naked in bed
Driving a mini
Beca\use the cops would have killed him for those crimes

-- 
If you stay ready, you dont have to get ready.
 wrote in message 
news:70fc2dff-2fa0-40c5-b081-515d7606820b@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> They pulled over a black man (suspected of having a gun), he became
> lippy, so they tasered him. Now the Guardian and his local black MP
> are outraged.
>
> Police accused of firing Taser into head of innocent man
>
> Robert Booth
> Tuesday December 18, 2007
> The Guardian
>
> Police fired a 50,000-volt Taser into the head of a 45-year-old
> company director who later proved to be unarmed and innocent. Daniel
> Sylvester, the owner of an east London security firm employing 65
> staff to guard council offices, pubs and nightclubs, was driving home
> on October 20 when he was stopped by armed police because of "firearms
> related intelligence".
>
> According to Sylvester, he got out of his car and was surrounded by
> officers, at least two of whom were carrying automatic weapons.
> Without warning, one officer fired a Taser into the back of his head
> which made him drop to his knees, he said. A second shock caused him
> to fall on his face, breaking a front tooth. A further six shocks made
> him wet himself and left him lying in the road in pain while the
> officers and sniffer dogs searched the car and found nothing.
>
> The Independent Police Complaints Commission has started an
> investigation and David Lammy, Sylvester's MP in Tottenham, north
> London, has written to Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police
> commissioner, to say he is "deeply concerned".
>
> The incident was part of Operation Neon, a crackdown on guns on
> London's streets by using armed response units to stop and search
> cars. Sylvester said the incident had left him traumatised and he now
> suffered from short-term memory loss. He doubts the police would have
> stopped him had he not been black. A spokesman for the Met said: "Just
> after midnight, officers on an intelligence-led operation stopped a
> car in Bounces Road, N9. The driver got out of the vehicle and was
> subsequently Tasered. Our information is the Taser was deployed once."
>
> Sylvester had been followed by police cars for about three miles
> through Tottenham before they boxed him in.
>
> "Armed police jumped out and opened my car door," he said. "I said OK,
> I'm coming. I asked what was going on and as soon as I stepped out of
> the car I felt something touch me on the back of the head and then I
> was on my knees. Then it happened again and I was on my face and I
> felt somebody pressing my head down with their foot. By the fifth time
> I realised officers were pinning my arms together. It was like they
> were trying to break my arms and I was in pain, screaming out.
>
> "I was shocked eight times altogether and I had urinated on the floor.
> It was like being tortured. It went on and on and I felt they were
> going to kill me."
>
> According to guidelines set by the Home Office and the Association of
> Chief Police Officers, Tasers should be deployed "where officers are
> facing violence or threats of violence of such severity that they
> would need to use force to protect the public, themselves and/or the
> subject(s) of their action". Tasers have been used 47 times in London
> this year, with black people accounting for almost two-thirds of those
> stunned.
>
> The government extended the right to use Tasers for all firearms
> officers in England and Wales this summer.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2229041,00.html
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:22:30 -0000   author:   The Rifleman

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:20:42 +0000, The Rifleman wrote:
f you stay ready, you dont have to get ready.
"Gaz"  wrote in message 
news:5sqc7iF1ak3vhU1@mid.individual.net...
> maidenmerch@googlemail.com wrote:
>> They pulled over a black man (suspected of having a gun), he became
>> lippy, so they tasered him. Now the Guardian and his local black MP
>> are outraged.
>>
>> Police accused of firing Taser into head of innocent man
>>
>
> If they genuinly thought he had a gun, they wouldnt have bothered tasering 
> him. Are we not being told something? How could they have tasered him 
> eight times?
>
> Gaz
>Easy they just keep squeezing the tirgger on the tazer and it will keep 
>shocking til the battery goes flat. 


I thought I read that the taser delivered 5 second bursts of electricity.

That would mean he got about 40 seconds worth.

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date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:31:35 +0000   author:   Dead Paul y

Re: Police stop uppity black man........   
On 18 Dec, 08:44, "maidenme...@googlemail.com"
 wrote:
> They pulled over a black man (suspected of having a gun), he became
> lippy, so they tasered him. Now the Guardian and his local black MP
> are outraged.
>
> Police accused of firing Taser into head of innocent man
>
> Robert Booth
> Tuesday December 18, 2007
> The Guardian
>
> Police fired a 50,000-volt Taser into the head of a 45-year-old
> company director who later proved to be unarmed and innocent. Daniel
> Sylvester, the owner of an east London security firm employing 65
> staff to guard council offices, pubs and nightclubs, was driving home
> on October 20 when he was stopped by armed police because of "firearms
> related intelligence".
>
> According to Sylvester, he got out of his car and was surrounded by
> officers, at least two of whom were carrying automatic weapons.
> Without warning, one officer fired a Taser into the back of his head
> which made him drop to his knees, he said. A second shock caused him
> to fall on his face, breaking a front tooth. A further six shocks made
> him wet himself and left him lying in the road in pain while the
> officers and sniffer dogs searched the car and found nothing.
>
> The Independent Police Complaints Commission has started an
> investigation and David Lammy, Sylvester's MP in Tottenham, north
> London, has written to Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan police
> commissioner, to say he is "deeply concerned".
>
> The incident was part of Operation Neon, a crackdown on guns on
> London's streets by using armed response units to stop and search
> cars. Sylvester said the incident had left him traumatised and he now
> suffered from short-term memory loss. He doubts the police would have
> stopped him had he not been black. A spokesman for the Met said: "Just
> after midnight, officers on an intelligence-led operation stopped a
> car in Bounces Road, N9. The driver got out of the vehicle and was
> subsequently Tasered. Our information is the Taser was deployed once."
>
> Sylvester had been followed by police cars for about three miles
> through Tottenham before they boxed him in.
>
> "Armed police jumped out and opened my car door," he said. "I said OK,
> I'm coming. I asked what was going on and as soon as I stepped out of
> the car I felt something touch me on the back of the head and then I
> was on my knees. Then it happened again and I was on my face and I
> felt somebody pressing my head down with their foot. By the fifth time
> I realised officers were pinning my arms together. It was like they
> were trying to break my arms and I was in pain, screaming out.
>
> "I was shocked eight times altogether and I had urinated on the floor.
> It was like being tortured. It went on and on and I felt they were
> going to kill me."
>
> According to guidelines set by the Home Office and the Association of
> Chief Police Officers, Tasers should be deployed "where officers are
> facing violence or threats of violence of such severity that they
> would need to use force to protect the public, themselves and/or the
> subject(s) of their action". Tasers have been used 47 times in London
> this year, with black people accounting for almost two-thirds of those
> stunned.
>
> The government extended the right to use Tasers for all firearms
> officers in England and Wales this summer.
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/crime/article/0,,2229041,00.html

How has this shit made the headlines and why is Ian "The Turd" Blair
sucking black cock - again.

The negro should be grateful he wasn't stopped by negroes who are the
reason the coppers are out and about in the first place.
date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:49:43 -0800 (PST)   author:   unknown

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