http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=55de15cf.0109211304.1de62251%40posting.google.com
The documentation is also shown on the Seventh-day Adventism website:
http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/AC/AppealChapSeeberI.htm

[Here I have an arguments with another typical internet discussion
forum psychiatrist who storms everywhere searching for "kooks" so that
he doesn't have to get laid. The issue in discussion is the Patriot
Act and the encroachments on the rights and liberties of the American
people. When people were saying that we must not become paranoid and
believe the sky is falling because of 911 and all the insistence that
we must not investigate Bush nor answer the questions of the victims
families, a jesuit becomes very emotional and begins to accuse us of
being terrorists for fighting against the Patriot Act. He claimed
emotionally that the Patriot Act was necessary to save this country.
Watch later as he undeniably proves the opposite!!]

McMillan: To tell you the truth, I don't remember saying this. I don't
remember even saying that the people who suffered from the disaster
are Communists or hate privacy. Even with the privacy issue it is to
my knowledge that they are victims and not accomplices to what's going
on.

Seeber: The point is that you'd rather draw people to your website to
join in your Jihad against American Government than help people! 

McMillan: Where have I EVER attacked the Constitution of the United
States?

Seeber: Never! That's the point. You worship the Constitution to the
point of being AGAINST those who have the responsibility to interpret
the Constitution.

[But Seeber supports principles right out of the Communist Manifesto,
Mein Kampf of Adolf Hitler and the principles of the Inquisitions. Why
does he worship these things? Isn't it better to "worship" the
American Constitution instead?]

McMillan: Do you know I have a Jihad against America even though I
don't believe that liberty is useless and only causes schism as you
said?

[Ted Seeber actually said that, "Liberty is useless, and only causes
schism!"  The man who has for years spoken against liberty and the
American Constitution speaks...]

Seeber: No, you're against the victims of the people they are
fighting. Like Packistan, you're either with America in the War
against Terrorism, or you're against us. Even the Islams in Packistan
know whicch side they should be on, do you? 

McMillan: Yes, I am on the side of those who love liberty. Where have
I said whose side I was or was not on? It was you who said that I have
a Jihad against American government. 

All history tells me that satanic people who will tell us that liberty
is useless and only causes schism always have the balls to tell how
others are traitors.

[Seeber now uses common Jesuit techniques to take over the issue while
he can complain about censorship. Being upset that anyone would oppose
the Patriot Act that comes straight from the Inquisitions, watch him
ram a false accusation down Brother Ted's throat and view how he does
it...] 

Seeber: Yep, just side with bin Laden against your own government.
That will really show them what the Constitution is for: The right to
kill anybody the Anti-Ted disagrees with.

McMillan [earlier]: I said NOTHING in favor of the Pakistanis or
terrorists. 

Seeber: Except that we shouldn't be doing whatever it takes to
apprehend them. 

[In order to save America he claims. Even adopting backward laws we
never needed before Bush to apprehend terrorists under strange
circumstances. The victims families of 911 have questions that they're
asking. The ones demanding we go backward in principle to what the
Communists and Nazis always followed makes sure their questions are
never answered. Their very nature shows they hate the Constitution.
They are now demanding that Constitutional principle be reversed for
SECURITY, even to surveillance practices the US government was ALWAYS
using. When 911 took place, Bush didn't tell us we must construct
snooping devices. Those devices were already constructed.]

Seeber: But in choosing to limit the abilities of your government, you
are giving aid and comfort to them.

[Therefore if an enemy of the Constitution gains office who has ties
to terrorists, and he allows this nation to be victimized as
fabulously as what happened at 911 where we gave terrorists the red
carpet entrance, we must then allow the government to change the
Constitution and adopt Martial Law? Then the Constitution of the
United States is also guilty. It limits the abilities of the
government to hurt the American people and to allow it to adopt The
Patriot Act: a "vital law" never needed for the entire history of this
country till the jesuits determine to reward anyone who fails to
protect us with kingly powers over the graves of presidents who
protected us and made sure we never needed such laws.]

Seeber: By speaking out for "privacy", you are indeed speaking out
against "liberty", in this situation. There is no difference between
the Terrorist who attacks from afar, and the terrorist who is here at
home.

McMillan: Well viewing that Seeber already told us that liberty causes
"schism" and that we shouldn't have it, I am not surprised that,
according to him, by me speaking out for privacy, I am speaking out
against liberty.

Seeber: Good. You shouldn't be suprised that liberty requires security
first.

[That would mean that the Communist and Nazi regimes already had
liberty. There is where the Patriot Act comes from (even further
backward from the Inquisitions). Since these brutal regimes always had
the principles of the Patriot Act, how are they good examples for
liberty???

We then had discussions about Catholic countries versus Protestant
ones.  The remark was that the American system is now falling.  Seeber
begins to tell us that the reason it is falling is because of its
inadequate system of liberties, totally ignoring he and the other
jesuits infiltrated everywhere to in fact make sure that it does
fall.]

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=Pine.LNX.4.21.0009221311310.27444-100000%40shell1.aracnet.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=Pine.LNX.4.21.0009221311310.27444-100000%40shell1.aracnet.com
McMillan: You all had nothing to do with it? You all did not
interfere? [With America]

Seeber: Why should we care what rebels do to other rebels

[What is he talking about here? AMERICA!  Is this the nation he
already claimed he wants to protect??]

McMillan: Well why not then go home and take the equally strange ones?

Seeber: [To evade, for he heard the term already often:] What equally
strange ones?

McMillan: demanding that our church become ecumenical with you...

Seeber: I don't. I demand that your church CONVERT! 

[He demands that our church CONVERT! What more proof do you need THAT
HE IS THE MODEL AMERICAN?? Is that also what the Ustashis of WWII
demanded?

http://www.seventh-dayadventism.com/Grizogono.htm
YES! Is that what Jack Chick revealed about the monster that
constantly yellls, "ANTI-CATHOLIC!" YES! Is that what Foxes Book of
Martyrs revealed? YES!! Is that what Jack Chick documented about Rome?
YES!! Why then do the monsters still yell, "YOU HATE CATHOLICS!" when
we speak the truth?? These are the same Ustashis that were defended by
Seeber and even the strange non-Catholics posting on the newsgroups.]

McMillan: ...and see what happens to that system [America] you all
told the world would collapse because of its own inadequacies?

Seeber: [BETTER LISTEN TO THIS ONE!!!]... 

Already collapsed because of it's own inadequacies. 
IT'S HOPELESS TO SAVE IT NOW!!

[HERE IS WHERE WE PROVE STRIKINGLY THAT IT IS SEEBER WHO HAS A JIHAD
AGAINST AMERICA AND NOT US. He speaks and tells us that America is
falling and hopeless to save with approval. Just earlier he told us
with emotion THAT WE NEED THE PATRIOT ACT TO SAVE HER, and that
Brother Ted was thwarting the process of protection and salvation from
terrorists! NOW WITH THIS ACT STRONGLY AND CLEARLY IN FORCE, HE BLURTS
OUT HERE WITH APPROVAL HOW IT IS HOPELESS TO SAVE! May we suggest to
you that he is acknowledging that he knows even the Patriot Act was
established to make it fall, and that this is what he actually REALLY
WANTS!]


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