-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=
-= Capital. Radio - Chris Tarrant -=
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=

Capital Radio DJs. have been "in on it" from the start. One of the first
things I heard in the summer of. 1990 was from a Capital DJ who said, "If
he listens to Capital then he can't be all bad". (supportive, you see. We're
not. bastards). Much of what came over the radio in 1990 is now so far away
the. precise details have been obliterated by time. No diary was kept of the
details, and although archives if they exist may give pointers,. the
ambiguity. of what broadcasters said would leave that open to
re-interpretation.

In spring. 1994, Chris Tarrant on his Capital morning show made an aside to
someone else in. the studio, about a person he didn't identify. He said,
"You know this bloke? He says we're trying to kill him. We. should be done
for. attempted manslaughter".

That mirrored something I had said a day or two before. What. Tarrant said
was understood by the staff member in the studio he was saying it. to; they
said,. "Oh no, don't say that" to Tarrant. If any archives exist of the
morning show (probably unlikely) then. it could be found there; what he said
was so out of context that. he would be very hard put to find an explanation.
A couple of days later, someone at the site where I. was working repeated the
remark although in a different way; they said there had been people in. a
computer. room when automatic fire extinguishers went off and those people
were "thinking of suing for attempted. manslaughter".

Finally, this isn't confined to the established. radio stations. In 1990
after I had listened to a pirate radio station in. South London for about
half an hour, there was an audible phone call. in the background, followed
by total silence for a few moments, then shrieks. of laughter. "So what are
we supposed to say now? Deadly torture?. He's going to talk to us now, isn't
he?", which meant that they could hear what I would. say in my room.

5670

Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
syne and some real traditional values. The usual sad, lonely,
pathetic, pedants and bullies were still  a frenzy arguing over
nothing!

You sad fucks know who you are and my wish for 2008 would be that you
either died, or got a life!


To those that matter Happy New year. To those that don't UP YOURS.

Sheesh..........

-- 
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

"Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04eu@4ax.com...

> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
> syne and some real traditional values.

Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.

'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
..'
http://www.flex.com/~jai/articles/101.html

Mr. CONservasionist.

'British wildlife in steep decline as man-made activities take their toll

By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor
Published: 01 January 2008

Several of Britain's best-known animal species, ranging from the
hedgehog to the harbour seal, are now suffering declines that require
serious conservation action, according to a comprehensive report
on the status of British mammals.

The report, from the Mammals Trust UK, which is funded by the
People's Trust for Endangered Species, identifies an assortment of
factors including climate change, the spread of infectious diseases,
agricultural and forestry practices, and not least, human activity, as
combining to place ever increasing pressure on already fragile wildlife
populations.

The result is that declines are accelerating in animals once considered
common, such as the hedgehog, as well as those which are already
scarce or localised, such as the Scottish wildcat.
..
The lengthening list of environmental problems is increasingly hitting
mammals, say the report's authors, David Macdonald and Dawn
Burnham from the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit at the
University of Oxford. "The roll call of environmental topicality seems
more strident in 2007 than ever before, and wild mammals are touched
by every topic on the list," they say.

"How are agri-environment schemes to deliver food, biodiversity and
rural livelihoods, how is society to balance its respect for individuals
and humaneness with its desire to use, manage and develop, how is
this nation to provide its evermore urban citizens with contact with
nature that is increasingly recognised as important for their well-being
and health?
...'
http://environment.independent.co.uk/nature/article3298381.ece

Go vegan.

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:00:38 -0000, "pearl" 
wrote:

>"Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04eu@4ax.com...
>
>> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
>> syne and some real traditional values.
>
>Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.

>'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
>50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
>lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>..'
>http://www.flex.com/~jai/articles/101.html
>
>Mr. CONservasionist.
>
>'British wildlife in steep decline as man-made activities take their toll
>
>By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor
>Published: 01 January 2008
>
>Several of Britain's best-known animal species, ranging from the
>hedgehog to the harbour seal, are now suffering declines that require
>serious conservation action, according to a comprehensive report
>on the status of British mammals.
>
>The report, from the Mammals Trust UK, which is funded by the
>People's Trust for Endangered Species, identifies an assortment of
>factors including climate change, the spread of infectious diseases,
>agricultural and forestry practices, and not least, human activity, as
>combining to place ever increasing pressure on already fragile wildlife
>populations.
>
>The result is that declines are accelerating in animals once considered
>common, such as the hedgehog, as well as those which are already
>scarce or localised, such as the Scottish wildcat.
>..
>The lengthening list of environmental problems is increasingly hitting
>mammals, say the report's authors, David Macdonald and Dawn
>Burnham from the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit at the
>University of Oxford. "The roll call of environmental topicality seems
>more strident in 2007 than ever before, and wild mammals are touched
>by every topic on the list," they say.
>
>"How are agri-environment schemes to deliver food, biodiversity and
>rural livelihoods, how is society to balance its respect for individuals
>and humaneness with its desire to use, manage and develop, how is
>this nation to provide its evermore urban citizens with contact with
>nature that is increasingly recognised as important for their well-being
>and health?
>...'
>http://environment.independent.co.uk/nature/article3298381.ece
>
>Go vegan.


What I find so hard to believe is that some people just don't care! If
not for themselves you'd have thought their kids future would be of
some concern.

It says a lot for allowing just anybody to breed!







--

My greatest speech to the peasants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7LWuP0T7Q

pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk



England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

"Adenoid Hynkel ."  wrote in message news:ch3ln3t5tv3shk6rjskq3r7fmb7ip02ufs@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:00:38 -0000, "pearl" 
> wrote:
>
> >"Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04eu@4ax.com...
> >
> >> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
> >> syne and some real traditional values.
> >
> >Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> >of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> >hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>
> >'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> >50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> >lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
> >..'
> >http://www.flex.com/~jai/articles/101.html
> >
> >Mr. CONservasionist.
> >
> >'British wildlife in steep decline as man-made activities take their toll
> >
> >By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor
> >Published: 01 January 2008
> >
> >Several of Britain's best-known animal species, ranging from the
> >hedgehog to the harbour seal, are now suffering declines that require
> >serious conservation action, according to a comprehensive report
> >on the status of British mammals.
> >
> >The report, from the Mammals Trust UK, which is funded by the
> >People's Trust for Endangered Species, identifies an assortment of
> >factors including climate change, the spread of infectious diseases,
> >agricultural and forestry practices, and not least, human activity, as
> >combining to place ever increasing pressure on already fragile wildlife
> >populations.
> >
> >The result is that declines are accelerating in animals once considered
> >common, such as the hedgehog, as well as those which are already
> >scarce or localised, such as the Scottish wildcat.
> >..
> >The lengthening list of environmental problems is increasingly hitting
> >mammals, say the report's authors, David Macdonald and Dawn
> >Burnham from the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit at the
> >University of Oxford. "The roll call of environmental topicality seems
> >more strident in 2007 than ever before, and wild mammals are touched
> >by every topic on the list," they say.
> >
> >"How are agri-environment schemes to deliver food, biodiversity and
> >rural livelihoods, how is society to balance its respect for individuals
> >and humaneness with its desire to use, manage and develop, how is
> >this nation to provide its evermore urban citizens with contact with
> >nature that is increasingly recognised as important for their well-being
> >and health?
> >...'
> >http://environment.independent.co.uk/nature/article3298381.ece
> >
> >Go vegan.
>
>
> What I find so hard to believe is that some people just don't care! If
> not for themselves you'd have thought their kids future would be of
> some concern.

"The combination of fat with sugar or fat with salt seems to
have a very particular neurochemical effect on the brain,"
Ann Kelley, a professor at the University of Wisconsin
(search) who co-authored the unpublished study, said on
the Fox News Channel. "What that does is release certain
chemicals that are similar to drugs, like heroin and morphine."
 ..'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93031,00.html

'The Longest River: Denial

Denial is a hallmark of someone who is engaging in this
addiction pattern but has not accepted that his or her
behavior is out of control. This denial is a psychological
defense mechanism that enables a person to continue to
engage in a behavior in spite of relatively obvious negative
consequences on his or her life. It's a way to protect
oneself from seeing or feeling things that are unpleasant.

[..]  denial permits one to distort reality, a very powerful
psychological defense; it can have devastating consequences
on our lives, and the ability to disregard such negative
consequences while continuing the behavior is a hallmark of
denial.
...'
http://www.addictionrecov.org/paradigm/P_PR_SP00/cont_greenfield.htm

> It says a lot for allowing just anybody to breed!

Now, now.  :)


Wishing you a great year.

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:55:23 -0000, "pearl" 
wrote:

>"Adenoid Hynkel ."  wrote in message news:ch3ln3t5tv3shk6rjskq3r7fmb7ip02ufs@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:00:38 -0000, "pearl" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04eu@4ax.com...
>> >
>> >> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
>> >> syne and some real traditional values.
>> >
>> >Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>> >of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>> >hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>>
>> >'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
>> >50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
>> >lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>> >..'
>> >http://www.flex.com/~jai/articles/101.html
>> >
>> >Mr. CONservasionist.
>> >
>> >'British wildlife in steep decline as man-made activities take their toll
>> >
>> >By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor
>> >Published: 01 January 2008
>> >
>> >Several of Britain's best-known animal species, ranging from the
>> >hedgehog to the harbour seal, are now suffering declines that require
>> >serious conservation action, according to a comprehensive report
>> >on the status of British mammals.
>> >
>> >The report, from the Mammals Trust UK, which is funded by the
>> >People's Trust for Endangered Species, identifies an assortment of
>> >factors including climate change, the spread of infectious diseases,
>> >agricultural and forestry practices, and not least, human activity, as
>> >combining to place ever increasing pressure on already fragile wildlife
>> >populations.
>> >
>> >The result is that declines are accelerating in animals once considered
>> >common, such as the hedgehog, as well as those which are already
>> >scarce or localised, such as the Scottish wildcat.
>> >..
>> >The lengthening list of environmental problems is increasingly hitting
>> >mammals, say the report's authors, David Macdonald and Dawn
>> >Burnham from the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit at the
>> >University of Oxford. "The roll call of environmental topicality seems
>> >more strident in 2007 than ever before, and wild mammals are touched
>> >by every topic on the list," they say.
>> >
>> >"How are agri-environment schemes to deliver food, biodiversity and
>> >rural livelihoods, how is society to balance its respect for individuals
>> >and humaneness with its desire to use, manage and develop, how is
>> >this nation to provide its evermore urban citizens with contact with
>> >nature that is increasingly recognised as important for their well-being
>> >and health?
>> >...'
>> >http://environment.independent.co.uk/nature/article3298381.ece
>> >
>> >Go vegan.
>>
>>
>> What I find so hard to believe is that some people just don't care! If
>> not for themselves you'd have thought their kids future would be of
>> some concern.
>
>"The combination of fat with sugar or fat with salt seems to
>have a very particular neurochemical effect on the brain,"
>Ann Kelley, a professor at the University of Wisconsin
>(search) who co-authored the unpublished study, said on
>the Fox News Channel. "What that does is release certain
>chemicals that are similar to drugs, like heroin and morphine."
> ..'
>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93031,00.html
>
>'The Longest River: Denial
>
>Denial is a hallmark of someone who is engaging in this
>addiction pattern but has not accepted that his or her
>behavior is out of control. This denial is a psychological
>defense mechanism that enables a person to continue to
>engage in a behavior in spite of relatively obvious negative
>consequences on his or her life. It's a way to protect
>oneself from seeing or feeling things that are unpleasant.
>
>[..]  denial permits one to distort reality, a very powerful
>psychological defense; it can have devastating consequences
>on our lives, and the ability to disregard such negative
>consequences while continuing the behavior is a hallmark of
>denial.
>...'
>http://www.addictionrecov.org/paradigm/P_PR_SP00/cont_greenfield.htm

I would go so far as to say that meat eating is even more addictive
than smoking which is a terrible indictment really!

>> It says a lot for allowing just anybody to breed!
>
>Now, now.  :)
>
>
>Wishing you a great year.

U2 may all your wishes come true.









--

My greatest speech to the peasants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7LWuP0T7Q

pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk



England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

"pearl"  wrote in message 
news:fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> "Malcolm"  wrote in message 
> news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04eu@4ax.com...
>
>> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
>> syne and some real traditional values.
>
> Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>

too right, tear down the cities immediately and kick the inhabitants out to 
be hunter gatherers and fruitarians

should be a fun january

"Jim Webster"  wrote in message news:5tvmrlF1ei2c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "pearl"  wrote in message
> news:fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
> > "Malcolm"  wrote in message
> > news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04eu@4ax.com...
> >
> >> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
> >> syne and some real traditional values.
> >
> > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
> >
>
> too right, tear down the cities immediately and kick the inhabitants out to
> be hunter gatherers and fruitarians

Non sequitur.

> should be a fun january

Not for you.

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:41:18 -0000, "Jim Webster"
 wrote:

>
>"pearl"  wrote in message 
>news:fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net...
>> "Malcolm"  wrote in message 
>> news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04eu@4ax.com...
>>
>>> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
>>> syne and some real traditional values.
>>
>> Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>> of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>> hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>>
>
>too right, tear down the cities immediately and kick the inhabitants out to 
>be hunter gatherers and fruitarians
>
>should be a fun january 
>

Not for you Jumbo. Manual work was never your thing!









--

My greatest speech to the peasants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em7LWuP0T7Q

pam the SPAMMERS send an email to enquires@urfreesim.co.uk



England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
<URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> "Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04
> eu@4ax.com...
> 
> > Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
> > syne and some real traditional values.
> 
> Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.

Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
themselves on what is still natural habitat.

> 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.

Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.

Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.

Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.

Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.

> Go vegan.

Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.

Happy New year,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

"Adenoid Hynkel ."  wrote in message news:4lbln355kkbarmmb0j3h74a22f2toeqse1@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:55:23 -0000, "pearl" 
> wrote:
>
> >"Adenoid Hynkel ."  wrote in message news:ch3ln3t5tv3shk6rjskq3r7fmb7ip02ufs@4ax.com...
> >> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:00:38 -0000, "pearl" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04eu@4ax.com...
> >> >
> >> >> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
> >> >> syne and some real traditional values.
> >> >
> >> >Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> >> >of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> >> >hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
> >>
> >> >'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> >> >50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> >> >lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
> >> >..'
> >> >http://www.flex.com/~jai/articles/101.html
> >> >
> >> >Mr. CONservasionist.
> >> >
> >> >'British wildlife in steep decline as man-made activities take their toll
> >> >
> >> >By Michael McCarthy, Environment Editor
> >> >Published: 01 January 2008
> >> >
> >> >Several of Britain's best-known animal species, ranging from the
> >> >hedgehog to the harbour seal, are now suffering declines that require
> >> >serious conservation action, according to a comprehensive report
> >> >on the status of British mammals.
> >> >
> >> >The report, from the Mammals Trust UK, which is funded by the
> >> >People's Trust for Endangered Species, identifies an assortment of
> >> >factors including climate change, the spread of infectious diseases,
> >> >agricultural and forestry practices, and not least, human activity, as
> >> >combining to place ever increasing pressure on already fragile wildlife
> >> >populations.
> >> >
> >> >The result is that declines are accelerating in animals once considered
> >> >common, such as the hedgehog, as well as those which are already
> >> >scarce or localised, such as the Scottish wildcat.
> >> >..
> >> >The lengthening list of environmental problems is increasingly hitting
> >> >mammals, say the report's authors, David Macdonald and Dawn
> >> >Burnham from the Wildlife Conservation Research Unit at the
> >> >University of Oxford. "The roll call of environmental topicality seems
> >> >more strident in 2007 than ever before, and wild mammals are touched
> >> >by every topic on the list," they say.
> >> >
> >> >"How are agri-environment schemes to deliver food, biodiversity and
> >> >rural livelihoods, how is society to balance its respect for individuals
> >> >and humaneness with its desire to use, manage and develop, how is
> >> >this nation to provide its evermore urban citizens with contact with
> >> >nature that is increasingly recognised as important for their well-being
> >> >and health?
> >> >...'
> >> >http://environment.independent.co.uk/nature/article3298381.ece
> >> >
> >> >Go vegan.
> >>
> >>
> >> What I find so hard to believe is that some people just don't care! If
> >> not for themselves you'd have thought their kids future would be of
> >> some concern.
> >
> >"The combination of fat with sugar or fat with salt seems to
> >have a very particular neurochemical effect on the brain,"
> >Ann Kelley, a professor at the University of Wisconsin
> >(search) who co-authored the unpublished study, said on
> >the Fox News Channel. "What that does is release certain
> >chemicals that are similar to drugs, like heroin and morphine."
> > ..'
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93031,00.html
> >
> >'The Longest River: Denial
> >
> >Denial is a hallmark of someone who is engaging in this
> >addiction pattern but has not accepted that his or her
> >behavior is out of control. This denial is a psychological
> >defense mechanism that enables a person to continue to
> >engage in a behavior in spite of relatively obvious negative
> >consequences on his or her life. It's a way to protect
> >oneself from seeing or feeling things that are unpleasant.
> >
> >[..]  denial permits one to distort reality, a very powerful
> >psychological defense; it can have devastating consequences
> >on our lives, and the ability to disregard such negative
> >consequences while continuing the behavior is a hallmark of
> >denial.
> >...'
> >http://www.addictionrecov.org/paradigm/P_PR_SP00/cont_greenfield.htm
>
> I would go so far as to say that meat eating is even more addictive
> than smoking which is a terrible indictment really!

The overall harm caused is certainly much worse.

> >> It says a lot for allowing just anybody to breed!
> >
> >Now, now.  :)
> >
> >
> >Wishing you a great year.
>
> U2 may all your wishes come true.

Thanks!  When they do, we'll all be happy.  :)

"Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant0121201cbBxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > "Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04
> > eu@4ax.com...
> >
> > > Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
> > > syne and some real traditional values.
> >
> > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>
> Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
> themselves on what is still natural habitat.

But you seem to proud of that for some reason.  Why?

> > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>
> Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.

See above.

> Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
> requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.

Nonsense..

> Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.

Under natural conditions forest or woodland.

Heath is native above the potential natural treeline.

> Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.

A mere crumbling skeleton of native British habitat.

> > Go vegan.
>
> Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.

Foolishness.

On 1 Jan, 12:06, Malcolm  wrote:






> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
> syne and some real traditional values.

What 'traditional values'?

Sitting around forcing yourself to get pissed, just to 'celebrate' the
fact that you are another year closer to death?

Jumping up at the chimes of some dodgy clock that is days out of time
according to 'traditional values' because they fucked up the calendar
a few centuries ago?

Grabbing strange peoples hands and singing wierd celtic songs in a non
celtic country?

Letting off fireworks you have not used on the traditional celebration
of the gunpowder plot?

Wandering around aimlessly with a chunk of inflammable black rock in
your hand and knocking on doors of sensible people who have been in
bed for 3 hours?

These are traditional values?

Thank fuck, we can rest quietly now for another 364 days until these
brain-dead nutters come out of the woodwork again.

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:09:20 +0000, Derek Moody
 wrote:

>In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
><URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>> "Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04
>> eu@4ax.com...
>> 
>> > Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
>> > syne and some real traditional values.
>> 
>> Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>> of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>> hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>
>Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
>themselves on what is still natural habitat.
>
>> 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
>> 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
>> lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>
>Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.

>Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
>requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.

>Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
>
>Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.

Bullshit in the main and certainly irrelevant for today. We'll ensure
plenty of natural habitat, meadows, woodlands exist for natures sake.

>> Go vegan.
>
>Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.
>
>Happy New year,








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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

In article <fledd9$aor$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
<URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant0121201cbBxcK@stronga
> rm.dereks.pad...
> > In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:

> > > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> > > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> > > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
> >
> > Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
> > themselves on what is still natural habitat.
> 
> But you seem to proud of that for some reason.  Why?

Pointing out the error in your calculation.  AfaIct fewer than 10 hectares,
not exclusively used.  

> 
> > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> > > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> > > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
> >
> > Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
> 
> See above.

??? - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming. 

> > Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
> > requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
> 
> Nonsense..

..but true.

> > Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
> 
> Under natural conditions forest or woodland.

The easiest to slash and burn in the neolithic.

> Heath is native above the potential natural treeline.
> 
> > Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
> 
> A mere crumbling skeleton of native British habitat.

Which only exists because of animal farming.

> > > Go vegan.
> >
> > Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.
> 
> Foolishness.

Make your mind up.  I thought you wanted me to include a vegan diet.

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:04:49 -0000, "pearl" 
wrote:

>"Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant0121201cbBxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
>> In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
>> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>> > "Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04
>> > eu@4ax.com...
>> >
>> > > Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
>> > > syne and some real traditional values.
>> >
>> > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>> > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>> > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>>
>> Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
>> themselves on what is still natural habitat.
>
>But you seem to proud of that for some reason.  Why?
>
>> > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
>> > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
>> > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>>
>> Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
>
>See above.
>
>> Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
>> requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
>
>Nonsense..
>
>> Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
>
>Under natural conditions forest or woodland.
>
>Heath is native above the potential natural treeline.
>
>> Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
>
>A mere crumbling skeleton of native British habitat.

Crumbling due to bad and lazy farming practice. It seems farmers only
like doing good when forced!

>> > Go vegan.
>>
>> Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.
>
>Foolishness.

That's the meat coming out in it!









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:34:55 +0000, Derek Moody
 wrote:

>In article <fledd9$aor$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
><URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>> "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant0121201cbBxcK@stronga
>> rm.dereks.pad...
>> > In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
>> > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>
>> > > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>> > > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>> > > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>> >
>> > Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
>> > themselves on what is still natural habitat.
>> 
>> But you seem to proud of that for some reason.  Why?
>
>Pointing out the error in your calculation.  AfaIct fewer than 10 hectares,
>not exclusively used.  
>
>> 
>> > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
>> > > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
>> > > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>> >
>> > Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
>> 
>> See above.
>
>??? - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming. 

Rubbish the original definition was "land covered in grass which is
mown for hay," 

>> > Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
>> > requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
>> 
>> Nonsense..
>
>..but true.
>
>> > Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
>> 
>> Under natural conditions forest or woodland.
>
>The easiest to slash and burn in the neolithic.
>
>> Heath is native above the potential natural treeline.
>> 
>> > Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
>> 
>> A mere crumbling skeleton of native British habitat.
>
>Which only exists because of animal farming.

They now don't exist because of farming!









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

wrote in message 
news:c76f762d-4dc5-4917-8e32-f315c3e30b61@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On 1 Jan, 12:06, Malcolm  wrote:
> Thank fuck, we can rest quietly now for another 364 days until these
> brain-dead nutters come out of the woodwork again.

That should have read 365 days,2008 being a leap year and all that:-))

"Adenoid Hynkel ."  wrote in message news:4lbln355kkbarmmb0j3h74a22f2toeqse1@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:55:23 -0000, "pearl" 
> wrote:
..
> >"The combination of fat with sugar or fat with salt seems to
> >have a very particular neurochemical effect on the brain,"
> >Ann Kelley, a professor at the University of Wisconsin
> >(search) who co-authored the unpublished study, said on
> >the Fox News Channel. "What that does is release certain
> >chemicals that are similar to drugs, like heroin and morphine."
> > ..'
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93031,00.html
> >
> >'The Longest River: Denial
> >
> >Denial is a hallmark of someone who is engaging in this
> >addiction pattern but has not accepted that his or her
> >behavior is out of control. This denial is a psychological
> >defense mechanism that enables a person to continue to
> >engage in a behavior in spite of relatively obvious negative
> >consequences on his or her life. It's a way to protect
> >oneself from seeing or feeling things that are unpleasant.
> >
> >[..]  denial permits one to distort reality, a very powerful
> >psychological defense; it can have devastating consequences
> >on our lives, and the ability to disregard such negative
> >consequences while continuing the behavior is a hallmark of
> >denial.
> >...'
> >http://www.addictionrecov.org/paradigm/P_PR_SP00/cont_greenfield.htm
>
> I would go so far as to say that meat eating is even more addictive
> than smoking which is a terrible indictment really!

Just heard on BBC News -

'Wednesday January 02 2008 09:27 GMT

UK people 'addicted to fast food'

People in the UK are more addicted to fast food than those
in any other nation, a survey has found.

The worldwide survey found out who could not resist the
temptation to tuck into things like burgers and chips.

Nearly half the people in the UK said they wouldn't stop
eating fast food because they like the taste too much.

And Americans are nearly as keen on stuff like pizzas and
chicken wings as people in the UK - coming a close second
in the poll.
..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_7160000/newsid_7167400/7167452.stm

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 12:22:16 -0000, "pearl" 
wrote:

>"Adenoid Hynkel ."  wrote in message news:4lbln355kkbarmmb0j3h74a22f2toeqse1@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:55:23 -0000, "pearl" 
>> wrote:
>..
>> >"The combination of fat with sugar or fat with salt seems to
>> >have a very particular neurochemical effect on the brain,"
>> >Ann Kelley, a professor at the University of Wisconsin
>> >(search) who co-authored the unpublished study, said on
>> >the Fox News Channel. "What that does is release certain
>> >chemicals that are similar to drugs, like heroin and morphine."
>> > ..'
>> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93031,00.html
>> >
>> >'The Longest River: Denial
>> >
>> >Denial is a hallmark of someone who is engaging in this
>> >addiction pattern but has not accepted that his or her
>> >behavior is out of control. This denial is a psychological
>> >defense mechanism that enables a person to continue to
>> >engage in a behavior in spite of relatively obvious negative
>> >consequences on his or her life. It's a way to protect
>> >oneself from seeing or feeling things that are unpleasant.
>> >
>> >[..]  denial permits one to distort reality, a very powerful
>> >psychological defense; it can have devastating consequences
>> >on our lives, and the ability to disregard such negative
>> >consequences while continuing the behavior is a hallmark of
>> >denial.
>> >...'
>> >http://www.addictionrecov.org/paradigm/P_PR_SP00/cont_greenfield.htm
>>
>> I would go so far as to say that meat eating is even more addictive
>> than smoking which is a terrible indictment really!
>
>Just heard on BBC News -
>
>'Wednesday January 02 2008 09:27 GMT
>
>UK people 'addicted to fast food'
>
>People in the UK are more addicted to fast food than those
>in any other nation, a survey has found.
>
>The worldwide survey found out who could not resist the
>temptation to tuck into things like burgers and chips.
>
>Nearly half the people in the UK said they wouldn't stop
>eating fast food because they like the taste too much.
>
>And Americans are nearly as keen on stuff like pizzas and
>chicken wings as people in the UK - coming a close second
>in the poll.
>..
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_7160000/newsid_7167400/7167452.stm

Oh well another kick in the nuts for the superior British idea! Is
Britain worthy of note in any field these days?

I must confess on my extensive travels throughout Europe home grown
produce is abundant, and every market is a farmers market even in the
smallest villages.

The crazy thing about the sorry state of the UK is, it's not like we
never saw it coming!









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

"Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant012255d07BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> In article <fledd9$aor$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant0121201cbBxcK@stronga
> > rm.dereks.pad...
> > > In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>
> > > > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> > > > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> > > > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
> > >
> > > Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
> > > themselves on what is still natural habitat.
> >
> > But you seem to be proud of that for some reason.  Why?
>
> Pointing out the error in your calculation.  AfaIct fewer than 10 hectares,
> not exclusively used.

And how many meat eaters are there in the UK?

> > > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> > > > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> > > > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
> > >
> > > Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
> >
> > See above.
>
> ???

'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,...'

> - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming.

Seems you're forgetting something...

'Abstract

Secondary succession is threatening many species of open habitats
in north-western Europe. This problem has caused an intense debate
over whether the present-natural vegetation in this region would be
closed forest or more open vegetation. Native large herbivores have
been proposed as the key agents creating such open vegetation.
Here I address this question by reviewing the palaeoecological
evidence regarding vegetation openness in past oceanic interglacials
and the pre-agricultural Holocene, i.e. before the onset of strong
human impact. I conclude that closed forest would predominate, but
include localized longer-lasting openings. Further, open vegetation
would be frequent on floodplains, infertile soils, chalklands, and in
continental and submeditteranean areas. Large herbivores and fire
emerge as likely potential key factors in creating open vegetation in
north-western Europe. Fire would probably also be important in the
maintenance of light-demanding or short-statured woody species
within closed upland forests.
..'
http://tinyurl.com/2cw645

> > > Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
> > > requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
> >
> > Nonsense..
>
> ..but true.

Ancient woodland was cleared to graze animals, and
in recent times, since 1945, 50% of what remained.

> > > Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
> >
> > Under natural conditions forest or woodland.
>
> The easiest to slash and burn in the neolithic.

'Sometimes the woodland regenerated in the new clearing,
sometimes the pressure of grazing livestock prevented this.
..
It is very likely that large areas elsewhere in Britain were also
clear of trees. The domesticated animals of Neolithic men
included cattle, sheep, goats, pigs ..
..'
http://tinyurl.com/236sac

> > Heath is native above the potential natural treeline.
> >
> > > Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
> >
> > A mere crumbling skeleton of native British habitat.
>
> Which only exists because of animal farming.

No.  Which would regenerate without animal farming.

> > > > Go vegan.
> > >
> > > Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.
> >
> > Foolishness.
>
> Make your mind up.  I thought you wanted me to include a vegan diet.

Everyone knows what is meant by "go vegan", moody.

Adenoid Hynkel . wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:34:55 +0000, Derek Moody
>  wrote:
>

>> ??? - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming. 
> 
> Rubbish the original definition was "land covered in grass which is
> mown for hay," 


What do you think the hay is used for?  Weetabix?

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Adenoid Hynkel . wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:09:20 +0000, Derek Moody
>  wrote:
> 
>> In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
>> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>>> "Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04
>>> eu@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
>>>> syne and some real traditional values.
>>> Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>>> of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>>> hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>> Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
>> themselves on what is still natural habitat.
>>
>>> 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
>>> 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
>>> lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>> Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
> 
>> Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
>> requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
> 
>> Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
>>
>> Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
> 
> Bullshit in the main and certainly irrelevant for today. We'll ensure
> plenty of natural habitat, meadows, woodlands exist for natures sake.
> 
>
There are  no such thing as "natural" habitats left in the British 
Isles, unless it's on a little island where man has never lived.



-- 
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http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
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Jette wrote:
> There are  no such thing as "natural" habitats left in the British
> Isles, unless it's on a little island where man has never lived.

And there are probably none of those that he has not influenced - used for 
grazing, used for industry - limekilns etc.
And what is this artificial status quo that is deemed to be Natural ? Nature 
has been changing the environment and the ecology for over 55 million years.
There is no such thing as a static habitat. In the BI the changes since the 
last Ice Age have been remarkably dramatic by her hand alone.

-- 

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Pure bred utility chickens and ducks
Housing; Equipment,  Books, Videos, Gifts
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:26:03 GMT, Jette 
wrote:

>Adenoid Hynkel . wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 21:09:20 +0000, Derek Moody
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
>>> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>>>> "Malcolm"  wrote in message news:m4bkn3dr00s5egm8cvl3p6josbpm7j04
>>>> eu@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Whilst most of us went off to have a good old knees up, some auld lang
>>>>> syne and some real traditional values.
>>>> Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>>>> of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>>>> hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>>> Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
>>> themselves on what is still natural habitat.
>>>
>>>> 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
>>>> 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
>>>> lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>>> Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
>> 
>>> Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
>>> requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
>> 
>>> Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
>>>
>>> Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
>> 
>> Bullshit in the main and certainly irrelevant for today. We'll ensure
>> plenty of natural habitat, meadows, woodlands exist for natures sake.
>> 
>>
>There are  no such thing as "natural" habitats left in the British 
>Isles, unless it's on a little island where man has never lived.

My woodland is perfectly natural. My meadows are perfectly natural. My
hedges are perfectly natural. Apart from a trim here and there, a
little coppicing. Nature can live as it intended. What it was ten
years ago, or ten decades is of little point!








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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:27:43 GMT, Jette 
wrote:

>Adenoid Hynkel . wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:34:55 +0000, Derek Moody
>>  wrote:
>>
>
>>> ??? - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming. 
>> 
>> Rubbish the original definition was "land covered in grass which is
>> mown for hay," 
>
>
>What do you think the hay is used for?  Weetabix?

You're sort of missing the point, but that could be just because you
have snipped all context to the post and no one has a clue what you're
waffling on about.

Try again.







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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 15:39:42 -0000, "Jill" 
wrote:

>Jette wrote:
>> There are  no such thing as "natural" habitats left in the British
>> Isles, unless it's on a little island where man has never lived.
>
>And there are probably none of those that he has not influenced - used for 
>grazing, used for industry - limekilns etc.
>And what is this artificial status quo that is deemed to be Natural ? Nature 
>has been changing the environment and the ecology for over 55 million years.
>There is no such thing as a static habitat.

Why do you weird people always go for extremes of definition. You're
getting as bad as Ogilvie the pedant! So much for brains.

Lets presume for the hereinafter that natural means
"in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land"

Whether that natural state is achieved today or a million years ago is
irrelevant.

Sheesh. It's getting like spoon feeding hedgehogs here!









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:

> My woodland is perfectly natural.

Extremely unlikely there's no "natural" woodland let in the UK.

> My meadows are perfectly natural.

No meadow is natural. Scrubland is natural.

> My hedges are perfectly natural.

No hedge is natural.

I like the way idiots like you think you know what is 'natural' or not
yet cannot tell man made from natural.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:51:57 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:
>
>> My woodland is perfectly natural.
>
>Extremely unlikely there's no "natural" woodland let in the UK.
>
>> My meadows are perfectly natural.
>
>No meadow is natural. Scrubland is natural.
>
>> My hedges are perfectly natural.
>
>No hedge is natural.
>
>I like the way idiots like you think you know what is 'natural' or not
>yet cannot tell man made from natural.

You're a plonker and boy does it show.

I see pedantry is contagious. I suppose at least it means you can
learn and evolution may be kind to you, or you could just end up like
Ogilvie!











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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:

> Lets presume for the hereinafter that natural means
> "in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land"

OK, so the woodland, meadow and hedges you referred to earlier aren't
even 'natural' by your own definition.

Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:

> I see pedantry is contagious.

If you had admitted you were wrong or indeed had you remained silent you
wouldn't have looked quite as ignorant an ass as you are.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:36:16 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:
>
>> Lets presume for the hereinafter that natural means
>> "in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land"
>
>OK, so the woodland, meadow and hedges you referred to earlier aren't
>even 'natural' by your own definition.

Mine are!









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:42:00 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:
>
>> I see pedantry is contagious.
>
>If you had admitted you were wrong or indeed had you remained silent you
>wouldn't have looked quite as ignorant an ass as you are.

There you go. Sieg Heil!









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:36:16 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
> wrote:
> 
> >Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:
> >
> >> Lets presume for the hereinafter that natural means
> >> "in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land"
> >
> >OK, so the woodland, meadow and hedges you referred to earlier aren't
> >even 'natural' by your own definition.
> 
> Mine are!

Hence proving you really are the moron you appear to be.

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:09:04 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
wrote:

>Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 17:36:16 +0000, %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Adenoid Hynkel            .  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Lets presume for the hereinafter that natural means
>> >> "in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land"
>> >
>> >OK, so the woodland, meadow and hedges you referred to earlier aren't
>> >even 'natural' by your own definition.
>> 
>> Mine are!
>
>Hence proving you really are the moron you appear to be.

Why is leaving my own land to it's own natural devices, apart from
minor weeding/pruning/coppicing/cutting being a moron? I'd have
thought you should be pleased that it is quite possible to live side
by side with nature without destroying it! I fear it's just your
ignorance and pedantry showing through however.

That's ok. You never were the brightest spark in the box.









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

In article <flg3m0$fjj$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
<URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant012255d07BxcK@stronga
> rm.dereks.pad...
> > In article <fledd9$aor$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > > "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant0121201cbBxcK@str
> onga
> > > rm.dereks.pad...
> > > > In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > > > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> > > > > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> > > > > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
> > > >
> > > > Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
> > > > themselves on what is still natural habitat.
> > >
> > > But you seem to be proud of that for some reason.  Why?
> >
> > Pointing out the error in your calculation.  AfaIct fewer than 10 hectares,
> > not exclusively used.
> 
> And how many meat eaters are there in the UK?

No idea, lots.  Review the last three words.

> > > > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> > > > > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> > > > > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
> > > >
> > > > Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
> > >
> > > See above.
> >
> > ???
> 
> 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,...'
> 
> > - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming.
> 
> Seems you're forgetting something...
> 
> 'Abstract

<cut>

Lotus. Make a new Year resolution to forgo cut and paste blanket posting eh?

Open vegetation is not meadow.

Meadow is grassland used to provide forage for domestic animals.

> > > > Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
> > > > requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
> > >
> > > Nonsense..
> >
> > ..but true.
> 
> Ancient woodland was cleared to graze animals, and
> in recent times, since 1945, 50% of what remained.

Woodlands are retained as covert, timber resource and by default.

> > > > Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
> > >
> > > Under natural conditions forest or woodland.
> >
> > The easiest to slash and burn in the neolithic.
> 
> 'Sometimes the woodland regenerated in the new clearing,
> sometimes the pressure of grazing livestock prevented this.
> ..
> It is very likely that large areas elsewhere in Britain were also
> clear of trees. The domesticated animals of Neolithic men
> included cattle, sheep, goats, pigs ..

WHY bother cut-and pasting screeds of superfluous verbiage if you're only
going to agree with me?

> > > > Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
> > >
> > > A mere crumbling skeleton of native British habitat.
> >
> > Which only exists because of animal farming.
> 
> No.  Which would regenerate without animal farming.

Irrelevant.  They would not be there without animal farming as if there were
no animals that might stray the land under the hedges would be cultivated.

> > > > > Go vegan.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.
> > >
> > > Foolishness.
> >
> > Make your mind up.  I thought you wanted me to include a vegan diet.
> 
> Everyone knows what is meant by "go vegan", moody.

It means I eat vegetables.

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:37:17 +0000, Derek Moody
 wrote:

>In article <flg3m0$fjj$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
><URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>> "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant012255d07BxcK@stronga
>> rm.dereks.pad...
>> > In article <fledd9$aor$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
>> > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>> > > "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant0121201cbBxcK@str
>> onga
>> > > rm.dereks.pad...
>> > > > In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
>> > > > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
>> > > > > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
>> > > > > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
>> > > >
>> > > > Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
>> > > > themselves on what is still natural habitat.
>> > >
>> > > But you seem to be proud of that for some reason.  Why?
>> >
>> > Pointing out the error in your calculation.  AfaIct fewer than 10 hectares,
>> > not exclusively used.
>> 
>> And how many meat eaters are there in the UK?
>
>No idea, lots.  Review the last three words.
>
>> > > > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
>> > > > > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
>> > > > > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
>> > > >
>> > > > Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
>> > >
>> > > See above.
>> >
>> > ???
>> 
>> 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,...'
>> 
>> > - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming.
>> 
>> Seems you're forgetting something...
>> 
>> 'Abstract
>
><cut>
>
>Lotus. Make a new Year resolution to forgo cut and paste blanket posting eh?
>
>Open vegetation is not meadow.
>
>Meadow is grassland used to provide forage for domestic animals.

Not any more it isn't.  The fact it provides food to domestic animals
is a by product of modern meadow maintained for wildlife and habitat.

>> > > > Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
>> > > > requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
>> > >
>> > > Nonsense..
>> >
>> > ..but true.
>> 
>> Ancient woodland was cleared to graze animals, and
>> in recent times, since 1945, 50% of what remained.
>
>Woodlands are retained as covert, timber resource and by default.

Bollocks. Woodland is maintained for wildlife and habitat unless you
are a pro hunt nut!

<snip the rantings of a gnome angler>









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England / Angelic Upstarts 

The red in the flag is the blood that was spilt
In the way that your forefathers tell
And never a country has been so great
The stories Britannia could tell 

I never want to live my life
Away from the golden shores
There's never a country in the world
With the scent of an English rose 

England oh England a country so great
A land that's so fair and so true
There'll never be any colours like
The red the white and the blue 

Whenever you go to a far off land
There's something goes with you
The pride and the joy and the love that comes
For your mother of red white and blue 

You could never be born under a flag that's like
The one of the Union Jack
St.Georges spirit has never died
It all keeps coming back

"Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant021917313BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> In article <flg3m0$fjj$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant012255d07BxcK@stronga
> > rm.dereks.pad...
> > > In article <fledd9$aor$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > > > "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant0121201cbBxcK@str
> > onga
> > > > rm.dereks.pad...
> > > > > In article <fle2k2$n5l$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > > > > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Which undoubtably includes gorging on a "real traditional" meal
> > > > > > of parts of dead animals - animals raised using many millions of
> > > > > > hectares of what was once natural habitat, both UK and abroad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, parts of two, practically all of three.  Two of which raised
> > > > > themselves on what is still natural habitat.
> > > >
> > > > But you seem to be proud of that for some reason.  Why?
> > >
> > > Pointing out the error in your calculation.  AfaIct fewer than 10 hectares,
> > > not exclusively used.
> >
> > And how many meat eaters are there in the UK?
>
> No idea, lots.  Review the last three words.

Tens of millions.

> > > > > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> > > > > > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> > > > > > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
> > > > >
> > > > > Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
> > > >
> > > > See above.
> > >
> > > ???
> >
> > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,...'
> >
> > > - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming.
> >
> > Seems you're forgetting something...
> >
> > 'Abstract
>
> <cut>
>
> Lotus. Make a new Year resolution to forgo cut and paste blanket posting eh?
>
> Open vegetation is not meadow.
>
> Meadow is grassland used to provide forage for domestic animals.

'mead·ow (med'o)
n.
A tract of grassland, either in its natural state or used as
pasture or for growing hay.
..
A meadow is a habitat of rolling or flat terrain where grasses
predominate. Typically, what is called a meadow has more
biodiversity than a grassland as the former contains not only
grasses but a significant variety of annual, biennial and
perennial plants.

Transitional meadows

A transitional meadow occurs when a field, pasture, farmland,
or other cleared land is no longer farmed or heavily grazed
and starts to overgrow. However meadow conditions do not
persist in the long term, because the early colonizers will be
shaded out when woody plants become well-established.
..
http://www.answers.com/meadow&r=67

> > > > > Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
> > > > > requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
> > > >
> > > > Nonsense..
> > >
> > > ..but true.
> >
> > Ancient woodland was cleared to graze animals, and
> > in recent times, since 1945, 50% of what remained.
>
> Woodlands are retained as covert, timber resource and by default.

Ancient woodland was cleared to graze animals, and
in recent times, since 1945, 50% of what remained.

> > > > > Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
> > > >
> > > > Under natural conditions forest or woodland.
> > >
> > > The easiest to slash and burn in the neolithic.
> >
> > 'Sometimes the woodland regenerated in the new clearing,
> > sometimes the pressure of grazing livestock prevented this.
> > ..
> > It is very likely that large areas elsewhere in Britain were also
> > clear of trees. The domesticated animals of Neolithic men
> > included cattle, sheep, goats, pigs ..
>
> WHY bother cut-and pasting screeds of superfluous verbiage if you're only
> going to agree with me?

WHY not just concede that your addiction to animal fat is the
#1 cause of destruction of natural habitat and native species?

> > > > > Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
> > > >
> > > > A mere crumbling skeleton of native British habitat.
> > >
> > > Which only exists because of animal farming.
> >
> > No.  Which would regenerate without animal farming.
>
> Irrelevant.  They would not be there without animal farming as if there were
> no animals that might stray the land under the hedges would be cultivated.

Without animal farming there'd be a lot more than just hedgerows.

> > > > > > Go vegan.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.
> > > >
> > > > Foolishness.
> > >
> > > Make your mind up.  I thought you wanted me to include a vegan diet.
> >
> > Everyone knows what is meant by "go vegan", moody.
>
> It means I eat vegetables.

It means that you would eat no products derived from animals.

>> Thank fuck, we can rest quietly now for another 364 days until these
>> brain-dead nutters come out of the woodwork again.
>
> That should have read 365 days,2008 being a leap year and all that:-))


Except Radio One and the rest of the imbecile cast will be yelling the scum 
into a state of frenzy for valentines day, the whole summer, Hallow'een, 
bonfire night, every bank holiday and every other "occasion" they can think 
of.  Oh good.  The fun just goes on and on for ever.
>

In article <flguiv$jj$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
<URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant021917313BxcK@stronga
> rm.dereks.pad...

> > In article <flg3m0$fjj$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > > "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant012255d07BxcK@str
> onga
> > > rm.dereks.pad...
> > > And how many meat eaters are there in the UK?
> >
> > No idea, lots.  Review the last three words.
> 
> Tens of millions.

Vastly more than that. Your figure would barely cover the human population.

> > > > > > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> > > > > > > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> > > > > > > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
> > > > >
> > > > > See above.
> > > >
> > > > ???
> > >
> > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,...'
> > >
> > > > - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming.

> > Meadow is grassland used to provide forage for domestic animals.
> 
> 'mead·ow (med'o)
> n.
> A tract of grassland, either in its natural state or used as
> pasture or for growing hay.

And hay is forage for domestic animals.  Farmers make meadows.  Grassland in
its natural state (in the British Isles) proceeds to climax.  Without
farmers meadows vanish in a couple of seasons.

<Irrelevant insertions snipped>

> > > > > > Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
> > > > > > requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nonsense..
> > > >
> > > > ..but true.
> > >
> > > Ancient woodland was cleared to graze animals, and
> > > in recent times, since 1945, 50% of what remained.
> >
> > Woodlands are retained as covert, timber resource and by default.
> 
> Ancient woodland was cleared to graze animals, and
> in recent times, since 1945, 50% of what remained.

Stop repeating yourself.  It doesn't matter why the stuff that has long gone
went, or how it went.  You are complaining about recent loss of 'ancient'
woodland (whilst wooded land overall has been increasing slightly.)
Woodland that had a use, a reason for its preservation, was retained.  One
of the classic uses is as covert.  If you want covert to be retained you had
better begin campaigning to reinstate hunting with dogs.

> > > > > > Most heathlands only exist because of (ancient) animal farming.
> > > > >
> > > > > Under natural conditions forest or woodland.
> > > >
> > > > The easiest to slash and burn in the neolithic.
> > >
> > > 'Sometimes the woodland regenerated in the new clearing,
> > > sometimes the pressure of grazing livestock prevented this.
> > > ..
> > > It is very likely that large areas elsewhere in Britain were also
> > > clear of trees. The domesticated animals of Neolithic men
> > > included cattle, sheep, goats, pigs ..
> >
> > WHY bother cut-and pasting screeds of superfluous verbiage if you're only
> > going to agree with me?
> 
> WHY not just concede that your addiction to animal fat is the
> #1 cause of destruction of natural habitat and native species?

You were complaining about the destruction by farmers of that which farmers
had themselves made.  The reason it happens is that changes in legislation,
world trading and customer preference oblige the farmers to change.  

You seem, now, to object to the farmers having made those things in the
first place.  Seeing as they are unmaking them I would expect you to
applaud.

> > > > > > Hedgerows only exist because of animal farming.
> > > > >
> > > > > A mere crumbling skeleton of native British habitat.
> > > >
> > > > Which only exists because of animal farming.
> > >
> > > No.  Which would regenerate without animal farming.
> >
> > Irrelevant.  They would not be there without animal farming as if there were
> > no animals that might stray the land under the hedges would be cultivated.
> 
> Without animal farming there'd be a lot more than just hedgerows.

Without animal farming there'd be no hedgerows.

> > > > > > > Go vegan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, I have.  I always eat vegan as well as meat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Foolishness.
> > > >
> > > > Make your mind up.  I thought you wanted me to include a vegan diet.
> > >
> > > Everyone knows what is meant by "go vegan", moody.
> >
> > It means I eat vegetables.
> 
> It means that you would eat no products derived from animals.

Yes.  I did that at lunch on Thursday.

Cheerio,

-- 

>>   derek@farm-direct.co.uk
>>   http://www.farm-direct.co.uk/

Mess with your own crosspost, timewaster, not followups.

"Derek Moody" <derek@farm-direct.co.uk,uk.environment.conservation> wrote in message news:ant022226fc4BxcK@strongarm.dereks.pad...
> In article <flguiv$jj$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant021917313BxcK@stronga
> > rm.dereks.pad...
>
> > > In article <flg3m0$fjj$1@reader01.news.esat.net>, pearl
> > > <URL:mailto:tea@signguestbook.ie> wrote:
> > > > "Derek Moody"  wrote in message news:ant012255d07BxcK@str
> > onga
> > > > rm.dereks.pad...
> > > > And how many meat eaters are there in the UK?
> > >
> > > No idea, lots.  Review the last three words.
> >
> > Tens of millions.
>
> Vastly more than that. Your figure would barely cover the human population.

Vastly more than tens of millions of meat eaters in the UK, moody?

What on earth are you babbling on about now?  Are you drunk?

> > > > > > > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,
> > > > > > > > 50% of ancient woodlands, 40% of heathlands, 50% of wet
> > > > > > > > lands & 224,000 km of hedgerows all due to animal farming.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Flower meadows only exist because of animal farming.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > See above.
> > > > >
> > > > > ???
> > > >
> > > > 'Since 1945 in the UK we have lost 95% of flower meadows,...'
> > > >
> > > > > - meadows -by definition- only exist because of animal farming.
>
> > > Meadow is grassland used to provide forage for domestic animals.
> >
> > 'mead·ow (med'o)
> > n.
> > A tract of grassland, either in its natural state or used as
> > pasture or for growing hay.
>
> And hay is forage for domestic animals.  Farmers make meadows.  Grassland in
> its natural state (in the British Isles) proceeds to climax.  Without
> farmers meadows vanish in a couple of seasons.

Again:

'Abstract

Secondary succession is threatening many species of open habitats
in north-western Europe. This problem has caused an intense debate
over whether the present-natural vegetation in this region would be
closed forest or more open vegetation. Native large herbivores have
been proposed as the key agents creating such open vegetation.
Here I address this question by reviewing the palaeoecological
evidence regarding vegetation openness in past oceanic interglacials
and the pre-agricultural Holocene, i.e. before the onset of strong
human impact. I conclude that closed forest would predominate, but
include localized longer-lasting openings. Further, open vegetation
would be frequent on floodplains, infertile soils, chalklands, and in
continental and submeditteranean areas. Large herbivores and fire
emerge as likely potential key factors in creating open vegetation in
north-western Europe. Fire would probably also be important in the
maintenance of light-demanding or short-statured woody species
within closed upland forests.
..'
http://tinyurl.com/2cw645

> > > > > > > Many ancient woodlands exist because of hunting.  Many because of naval
> > > > > > > requirements and most of the rest because -nothing- else will grow there.
> > > > >