Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is coming 
over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of housework into 
about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come from?  Probably the 
same place as the fluff.

On 2008-08-15, Lachlan - KotU  wrote:
> Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is coming 
> over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of housework into 
> about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come from?  Probably the 
> same place as the fluff. 

Real Men are expected to be slobs.  That's my excuse anyway ... 

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Whiskers  wrote:

> Lachlan - KotU  wrote:
> > Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is coming
> > over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of housework into
> > about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come from?  Probably the
> > same place as the fluff. 
> 
> Real Men are expected to be slobs.  That's my excuse anyway ... 

Real Men are expected to do housework.  That's how I was brought up.

Real *REAL* men use /efficient/ means to do the housework.  No vacuum
cleaner but a Dyson, etc.

Rowland.
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done when a student.  *HIS* room was always okay, but the rest of the
house/flat? ...)

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On 2008-08-16, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> Whiskers  wrote:
>
>> Lachlan - KotU  wrote:
>> > Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is coming
>> > over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of housework into
>> > about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come from?  Probably the
>> > same place as the fluff. 
>> 
>> Real Men are expected to be slobs.  That's my excuse anyway ... 
>
> Real Men are expected to do housework.  That's how I was brought up.
>
> Real *REAL* men use /efficient/ means to do the housework.  No vacuum
> cleaner but a Dyson, etc.
>
> Rowland.
> (who's never been happy living in a foetid rubbish dump - but he has
> done when a student.  *HIS* room was always okay, but the rest of the
> house/flat? ...)

Do you eat quiche?  (I'll confess that I do, if necessary).

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Whiskers  wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> > Whiskers  wrote:
> >
> >> Lachlan - KotU  wrote:
> >> > Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is
> >> > coming over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of
> >> > housework into about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come
> >> > from?  Probably the same place as the fluff.
> >> 
> >> Real Men are expected to be slobs.  That's my excuse anyway ... 
> >
> > Real Men are expected to do housework.  That's how I was brought up.
> >
> > Real *REAL* men use /efficient/ means to do the housework.  No vacuum
> > cleaner but a Dyson, etc.
> >
> > Rowland.
> > (who's never been happy living in a foetid rubbish dump - but he has
> > done when a student.  *HIS* room was always okay, but the rest of the
> > house/flat? ...)
> 
> Do you eat quiche?  (I'll confess that I do, if necessary).

I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.

Rowland.

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Rowland McDonnell wrote:
> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.

If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.

Owain

On 2008-08-16, Owain  wrote:
> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
>> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.
>
> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.

I'm a pacifist and I don't do ironing.  

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<snipped the whole fucking lot>

Don't get me wrong, if I'm living with a woman, I'll do housework, but cos 
it's just me, fuck that nonsense and bring on the computer games and pizza. 
And cherry coke.  And home-made spud-guns powered by hairspray.  And 
electric guitars.  And porn.  Lashings and lashings of porn.  And my 
fleshlight.

Whiskers wrote:
> Owain wrote:
>> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
>>> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.
>>
>> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.
> 
> I'm a pacifist and I don't do ironing.  

What's ironing?

Rosemary

On Aug 17, 1:08 am, Rosemary  wrote:
> Whiskers wrote:
> > Owain wrote:
> >> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
> >>> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.
>
> >> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.
>
> > I'm a pacifist and I don't do ironing.  
>
> What's ironing?
>
> Rosemary

Nobody irons these days unless it's something they're going to wear
the next day :)...who wants to waste time ironing loads of things
that'll only get creased in drawers anyways?? :
Isla

Isla wrote:
> Rosemary wrote:
>> Whiskers wrote:
>> > Owain wrote:
>> >> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
>> >>> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.
>>
>> >> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.
>>
>> > I'm a pacifist and I don't do ironing.  
>>
>> What's ironing?
> 
> Nobody irons these days unless it's something they're going to wear
> the next day :)...who wants to waste time ironing loads of things
> that'll only get creased in drawers anyways?? :

My mum irons everything. Including socks. And bras. And sheets. And 
knickers. And teatowels.

I think she's nuts.

Rosemary

On Aug 17, 1:18 am, Rosemary  wrote:
> Isla wrote:
> > Rosemary wrote:
> >> Whiskers wrote:
> >> > Owain wrote:
> >> >> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
> >> >>> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.
>
> >> >> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.
>
> >> > I'm a pacifist and I don't do ironing.  
>
> >> What's ironing?
>
> > Nobody irons these days unless it's something they're going to wear
> > the next day :)...who wants to waste time ironing loads of things
> > that'll only get creased in drawers anyways?? :
>
> My mum irons everything. Including socks. And bras. And sheets. And
> knickers. And teatowels.
>
> I think she's nuts.
>
> Rosemary- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My mum does the same, though she's recently stopped at the
towels....sometimes, though ( if in the mood ) I quite like ironing
things....it's like doing painting or something rhythmical, it's kind
of therapeutic.
Isla

Isla wrote:
> Rosemary wrote:
>> Isla wrote:
>> > Rosemary wrote:
>> >> Whiskers wrote:
>> >> > Owain wrote:
>> >> >> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
>> >> >>> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do
>> >> >>> ironing. 
>>
>> >> >> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.
>>
>> >> > I'm a pacifist and I don't do ironing.  
>>
>> >> What's ironing?
>>
>> > Nobody irons these days unless it's something they're going to wear
>> > the next day :)...who wants to waste time ironing loads of things
>> > that'll only get creased in drawers anyways?? :
>>
>> My mum irons everything. Including socks. And bras. And sheets. And
>> knickers. And teatowels.
>>
>> I think she's nuts.
>
> My mum does the same, though she's recently stopped at the
> towels....sometimes, though ( if in the mood ) I quite like ironing
> things....it's like doing painting or something rhythmical, it's kind
> of therapeutic.

I get an achy back when I iron, or I did the last time I tried sometime 
in the 20th century. Besides which, the stuff I ironed always ended up 
looking worse than it did before I started. I've heard a few people say 
they find ironing kind of therapeutic sometimes, but I'm one of those 
people who needs some kind of external input or at least something I need 
to think about, or my mind will just start driving itself crazy :-)

Rosemary

On Aug 17, 1:29 am, Rosemary  wrote:
> Isla wrote:
> > Rosemary wrote:
> >> Isla wrote:
> >> > Rosemary wrote:
> >> >> Whiskers wrote:
> >> >> > Owain wrote:
> >> >> >> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
> >> >> >>> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do
> >> >> >>> ironing.
>
> >> >> >> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.
>
> >> >> > I'm a pacifist and I don't do ironing.  
>
> >> >> What's ironing?
>
> >> > Nobody irons these days unless it's something they're going to wear
> >> > the next day :)...who wants to waste time ironing loads of things
> >> > that'll only get creased in drawers anyways?? :
>
> >> My mum irons everything. Including socks. And bras. And sheets. And
> >> knickers. And teatowels.
>
> >> I think she's nuts.
>
> > My mum does the same, though she's recently stopped at the
> > towels....sometimes, though ( if in the mood ) I quite like ironing
> > things....it's like doing painting or something rhythmical, it's kind
> > of therapeutic.
>
> I get an achy back when I iron, or I did the last time I tried sometime
> in the 20th century. Besides which, the stuff I ironed always ended up
> looking worse than it did before I started. I've heard a few people say
> they find ironing kind of therapeutic sometimes, but I'm one of those
> people who needs some kind of external input or at least something I need
> to think about, or my mind will just start driving itself crazy :-)
>
> Rosemary- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Aye! Know what you mean...I've burned holes in things before!...T-
shirts are one of the worst thingies to iron, they always go all
hiedemaloo ( just made that word up :) ) all over the place :)...hey!
I've got an idea...just stick on your fav music...pump up the
volume..and you're away..easy does it, eh?? :)
Isla

Owain  wrote:

> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
> > I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.
> 
> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.

They're all big girls blouses (etc) if they do ironing - not real men at
all.

And yes, I probably would say that to their faces given half a chance; I
think they'd see the funny side of the claim, if given half a glance at
me.

Rowland.

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> <snipped the whole fucking lot>
> 
> Don't get me wrong, if I'm living with a woman, I'll do housework, but cos
> it's just me, fuck that nonsense

<puzzled>  Now me, I do less housework if there's someone else around,
'cos there's two of us to split it between.

> and bring on the computer games and pizza. 
> And cherry coke.

Computer games, okay.  Pizza, okay.  Cherry coke?  Oh dearie me.

>  And home-made spud-guns powered by hairspray.

Outside, fine.

>  And 
> electric guitars. 

Why not bagpipes?  Much more annoying for the neighbours.

> And porn.  Lashings and lashings of porn. 

No comment.

> And my 
> fleshlight. 

Even less comment.

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Rosemary  wrote:

> Isla wrote:
> > Rosemary wrote:
> >> Whiskers wrote:
> >> > Owain wrote:
> >> >> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
> >> >>> I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.
> >>
> >> >> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.
> >>
> >> > I'm a pacifist and I don't do ironing.  
> >>
> >> What's ironing?
> > 
> > Nobody irons these days unless it's something they're going to wear
> > the next day :)...who wants to waste time ironing loads of things
> > that'll only get creased in drawers anyways?? :
> 
> My mum irons everything. Including socks. And bras. And sheets. And 
> knickers. And teatowels.
> 
> I think she's nuts.

My mother used to iron pretty much everything, including socks.  She
says she found herself ironing socks one day and thought `What the hell
am I ironing socks for?  Ironing socks is crazy!' and stopped doing them
- along with sheets and things like that.

I don't think she's ever been daft enough to try ironing bras.

Rowland.

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Isla  wrote:

[snip]

> My mum does the same, though she's recently stopped at the
> towels....sometimes, though ( if in the mood ) I quite like ironing
> things....it's like doing painting or something rhythmical, it's kind
> of therapeutic.

I hate painting and ironing mostly because both jobs take me lots longer
than anyone else and I get worse results than anyone who can do either
job competently.

Attempting either job is just horrible - and I can't see how anyone can
get into a rhythm doing either.

It used to take me about 45-60 minutes to iron a shirt, and the result
was always poor.

That's why I don't do ironing - it's soul-destroying.

Rowland.

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"Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote in message 
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> Owain  wrote:
>
>> Rowland McDonnell wrote:
>> > I eat quiche - but I'm a real man nontheless: I don't do ironing.
>>
>> If soldiers in the SAS can do their own ironing so can you.
>
> They're all big girls blouses (etc) if they do ironing - not real men at
> all.
>
> And yes, I probably would say that to their faces given half a chance; I
> think they'd see the funny side of the claim, if given half a glance at
> me.
>
> Rowland.
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an ex SAS guy started a fight with my brother James one night.  My brother 
beat the piss out of him.

On Aug 17, 2:22 am, real-address-in-...@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland
McDonnell) wrote:
> Isla  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > My mum does the same, though she's recently stopped at the
> > towels....sometimes, though ( if in the mood ) I quite like ironing
> > things....it's like doing painting or something rhythmical, it's kind
> > of therapeutic.
>
> I hate painting and ironing mostly because both jobs take me lots longer
> than anyone else and I get worse results than anyone who can do either
> job competently.
>
> Attempting either job is just horrible - and I can't see how anyone can
> get into a rhythm doing either.
>
> It used to take me about 45-60 minutes to iron a shirt, and the result
> was always poor.
>
> That's why I don't do ironing - it's soul-destroying.
>
> Rowland.
>
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that's why it's probs called 'womens work'...it sometimes helps stop
the soul destroying :)
isla

Isla wrote:

<snip>

> hey!
> I've got an idea...just stick on your fav music...pump up the
> volume..and you're away..easy does it, eh?? :)

Or better still, just sit back and enjoy the music :-)

Rosemary

.
>
> My mother used to iron pretty much everything, including socks.  She
> says she found herself ironing socks one day and thought `What the hell
> am I ironing socks for?  Ironing socks is crazy!' and stopped doing them
> - along with sheets and things like that.
>

My mum did the same, but with all housework.  Which is where I get my 
attitude to houseproudiness.

Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

> an ex SAS guy started a fight with my brother James one night.  My brother
> beat the piss out of him. 

Two things:

1) He might well not have been ex SAS.
2) If he was, it's a bit sad to see him having fallen that low.  A lot
of them apparently go a bit funny and lose it when they leave.

Rowland.


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Isla  wrote:

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> that's why it's probs called 'womens work'...it sometimes helps stop
> the soul destroying :)

My mother can iron a shirt in 5 minutes better than I can manage in 45
minutes, and she's never been willing to teach me how to do it.

You might want to think about that.

I've never called any kind of work `women's work' - aside from gestation
and lactation (etc), although some men find that they can breast feed
kids.

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Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:

> .
> > My mother used to iron pretty much everything, including socks.  She
> > says she found herself ironing socks one day and thought `What the hell
> > am I ironing socks for?  Ironing socks is crazy!' and stopped doing them
> > - along with sheets and things like that.
> 
> My mum did the same, but with all housework.  Which is where I get my
> attitude to houseproudiness. 

Ah.  My mother was very hot on the housework that mattered - and was
very sniffy about anyone who failed to meet her standards (while also
finding time to be sniffy about anyone who exceeded her standards -
`stupid waste of time, you should be doing something more useful than
wasting your time on that nonsense').

And that's where I get *my* attitudes towards that sort of thing.

My mother's mother was just as judgemental, but not as mental.

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On Aug 17, 3:37 am, real-address-in-...@flur.bltigibbet (Rowland
McDonnell) wrote:
> Isla  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > that's why it's probs called 'womens work'...it sometimes helps stop
> > the soul destroying :)
>
> My mother can iron a shirt in 5 minutes better than I can manage in 45
> minutes, and she's never been willing to teach me how to do it.
>
> You might want to think about that.
>
> I've never called any kind of work `women's work' - aside from gestation
> and lactation (etc), although some men find that they can breast feed
> kids.
>
> Rowland.
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Never ever heard of a man breast feeding ...when my son was wee, my
hubbie ( at the time ) was always happy to pass him to me in the wee
sma hours with the good excuse : 'he wants fed!'..then he'd go happily
off to sleep whilst I was left to not only feed, but would end up
sitting up for the rest of the night entertaining baby! :)
isla

Isla  wrote:

[snip]

> Never ever heard of a man breast feeding

I gather it's rare, but men have the required glands and whatnot, it's
just that normally, men don't have the hormones needed to make 'em work.
But I've read of a few cases where a man has found that the newborn baby
turning up made him lactate, and this turned out handy when mum died.

I did a quick Web search:

<http://www.drmirkin.com/men/7172.html>

(man-hating radical feminists like to keep news like this under wraps,
in case men start to suggest that the rad fem's idea that men are
useless and superfluous might be the wrong way round, not that many men
want to get rid of women, just the man-hating radical feminists)

Men get breast cancer, too - in numbers roughly proportion to the amount
of breast tissue they have, if you see what I mean.

> ...when my son was wee, my
> hubbie ( at the time ) was always happy to pass him to me in the wee
> sma hours with the good excuse : 'he wants fed!'..then he'd go happily
> off to sleep whilst I was left to not only feed, but would end up
> sitting up for the rest of the night entertaining baby! :)

You didn't have him well enough trained.  I once lived in a student
house with a newborn sprog (not mine at all).  If sprog wanted feeding
in the middle of the night, the drill was that dad got up, dragged sprog
from cot to bed, plugged sprog into feeding spigot, detached sprog when
needed, and mum sometimes had no memory of the event come morning.

Dad also did the overnight nappy changes - I often saw him doing a
`Night of the living dead' impersonation at 3am in the kitchen...

At this time, dad was working a 40 hour week and mum had no occupation
barring child care.

I shall not give my opinions of mum...  Except that I thought it was
extremely funny that she was always careful to try to hide her breast
when breastfeeding - funny, 'cos this is the same lass who was famous
for stripping off from the waist upwards (occasionally) just to wind up
people from a certain set - which included me.  I'd seen her tits before
from all angles and it was because of her shoving them into my face in
an attempt to get some sort of rise out of me.  It didn't work - and nor
did talking about menstruation (my counter attack to that one involved
trying to embarrass her by asking for detailed information.
Unfortunately, I just got given the detailed information I was asking
for.  Bleh.  But I never let it show...)

Rowland.

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On Aug 17, 2:24 am, "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com>
wrote:

> an ex SAS guy started a fight with my brother James one night.  My brother
> beat the piss out of him.

In my experience, there are far more people out there claiming to be
ex-SAS than have actually ever served.

I met a few genuine ex-SAS guys when I lived in a certain area, and
they try not to draw attention to their past because it encourages
pissheads in pubs to see if they're hard enough.

Evil Nigel

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On Aug 17, 11:45 am, Evil_Ni...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

> I met a few genuine ex-SAS guys when I lived in a certain area, and
> they try not to draw attention to their past because it encourages
> pissheads in pubs to see if they're hard enough.

Oops, never meant to imply your bro was a pisshead in a pub - the
intention was to suggest the other guy was probably lying to impress
the women.

Also some ex-SAS who served in Northern Ireland are particularly
careful because after we lost the war on terrorism over there, there's
a chance of 'afters'.

Evil Nigel

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> On 2008-08-15, Lachlan - KotU  wrote:
> > Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is
coming
> > over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of housework
into
> > about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come from?  Probably
the
> > same place as the fluff.
>
> Real Men are expected to be slobs.  That's my excuse anyway ...
>
>
Guess my hubby is a real hunk then :s I sometimes think that men and women
see a room differently... picking crap off the floor and dumping it all on
the mantle piece doesn't constitute housework in my mind!

Lucy x

lu-lu  wrote:

[snip]

> Guess my hubby is a real hunk then :s I sometimes think that men and women
> see a room differently... picking crap off the floor and dumping it all on
> the mantle piece doesn't constitute housework in my mind!

Indeed - that's what I think when I see a woman's attempt at `tidying
up' that way (I'm thinking of a particular woman).  My man's approach -
that is, tidying up properly by actually putting things away and then
cleaning everything - is much more sensible.

I sometimes think that the big difference between the way men and women
see the world is that men don't come up with insultingly inaccurate
sweeping generalisations about women anything like as much as women do
about men.

Rowland.

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"Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote in message
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> lu-lu  wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Guess my hubby is a real hunk then :s I sometimes think that men and
women
> > see a room differently... picking crap off the floor and dumping it all
on
> > the mantle piece doesn't constitute housework in my mind!
>
> Indeed - that's what I think when I see a woman's attempt at `tidying
> up' that way (I'm thinking of a particular woman).  My man's approach -
> that is, tidying up properly by actually putting things away and then
> cleaning everything - is much more sensible.
>
> I sometimes think that the big difference between the way men and women
> see the world is that men don't come up with insultingly inaccurate
> sweeping generalisations about women anything like as much as women do
> about men.
>
> Rowland.
>
How is that a generalisation? I believe that men and women *do* view the
world differently. Different priorities give different perspectives.

Ans that is my husband's way of tidying up.

As for "men don't come up with insultingly inaccurate sweeping
generalisations about women anything like as much as women do about men" -
I'm not even going to point out the irony in that statement! lol

Lucy

lu-lu  wrote:

> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote in message
> news:1ilvsbh.t5wcg71mavfcsN%real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet...
> > lu-lu  wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Guess my hubby is a real hunk then :s I sometimes think that men and
> women
> > > see a room differently... picking crap off the floor and dumping it all
> on
> > > the mantle piece doesn't constitute housework in my mind!
> >
> > Indeed - that's what I think when I see a woman's attempt at `tidying
> > up' that way (I'm thinking of a particular woman).  My man's approach -
> > that is, tidying up properly by actually putting things away and then
> > cleaning everything - is much more sensible.
> >
> > I sometimes think that the big difference between the way men and women
> > see the world is that men don't come up with insultingly inaccurate
> > sweeping generalisations about women anything like as much as women do
> > about men.
> >
> > Rowland.
> >
> How is that a generalisation? 

Because you have assumed, based on your husband's behaviour and on your
behaviour, that men are messy in general and that women are tidy in
general.

I observe from reality that there's no sex-based difference in tidiness
in humans that I have known.

I'm certainly inclined to be more tidy and orderly than my wife, for
example.

It's quite funny (in a `this is sickening' sort of way) that women tend
to insult men who are tidy and orderly for being men who like to keep
things tidy and orderly - and also insult men who don't like to keep
things tidy and orderly because they're men who don't like to keep
things tidy and orderly.

Or, to put it another way, there are women in this world who will find
some way of using an insulting sexist generalisation to insult any man
no matter what he does.

I expect you'll deny that that happens - but I've seen it lots.  Lots of
women are just plain nasty to men because they're men as a matter of
policy - and they think it's perfectly okay.

>I believe that men and women *do* view the
> world differently. Different priorities give different perspectives.

Quite - and each individual has a different priority.  You assume that
sex is the biggest varying factor, so it seems.  I assume that
individuality is the biggest varying factor.

From what I've seen of the world, you're wrong and I'm right.

> Ans that is my husband's way of tidying up.

Quite - so you assume that all men are like your husband, and that all
women are like you.  That's an insultingly sexist generalisation.

> As for "men don't come up with insultingly inaccurate sweeping
> generalisations about women anything like as much as women do about men" -
> I'm not even going to point out the irony in that statement! lol

There's no irony in it, so you can't point it out.

Men *used* to come out with a lot of insulting sweeping generalisations
about women, but the last 40-50 years worth of feminist activism has put
a stop to almost all of it (I'd say that there's less than a tenth of
what there used to be).

Thing is, most women still seem to think it's okay to come out with
insulting generalisations about men.  Just read any womens' magazine,
for example.

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On 2008-08-18, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> lu-lu  wrote:
>> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote in message
>> news:1ilvsbh.t5wcg71mavfcsN%real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet...
>> > lu-lu  wrote:

[...]

> It's quite funny (in a `this is sickening' sort of way) that women tend
> to insult men who are tidy and orderly for being men who like to keep
> things tidy and orderly - and also insult men who don't like to keep
> things tidy and orderly because they're men who don't like to keep
> things tidy and orderly.
>
> Or, to put it another way, there are women in this world who will find
> some way of using an insulting sexist generalisation to insult any man
> no matter what he does.
>
> I expect you'll deny that that happens - but I've seen it lots.  Lots of
> women are just plain nasty to men because they're men as a matter of
> policy - and they think it's perfectly okay.

I agree that it happens sometimes, but I wouldn't sweepingly generalise all 
women as being guilty of it.  All Wimmin, perhaps.

>>I believe that men and women *do* view the
>> world differently. Different priorities give different perspectives.
>
> Quite - and each individual has a different priority.  You assume that
> sex is the biggest varying factor, so it seems.  I assume that
> individuality is the biggest varying factor.
>
> From what I've seen of the world, you're wrong and I'm right.

[...]

It's complicated by the way us men just can't get our poor little heads 
around the way women think.  No matter how much they express it in a way 
that is perfectly clear to any woman.

No-one can ever win in the war of the sexes.

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--  Whiskers 
-- ~~~~~~~~~~

Whiskers  wrote:

> On 2008-08-18, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> > lu-lu  wrote:
> >> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> >> > lu-lu  wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > It's quite funny (in a `this is sickening' sort of way) that women tend
> > to insult men who are tidy and orderly for being men who like to keep
> > things tidy and orderly - and also insult men who don't like to keep
> > things tidy and orderly because they're men who don't like to keep
> > things tidy and orderly.
> >
> > Or, to put it another way, there are women in this world who will find
> > some way of using an insulting sexist generalisation to insult any man
> > no matter what he does.
> >
> > I expect you'll deny that that happens - but I've seen it lots.  Lots of
> > women are just plain nasty to men because they're men as a matter of
> > policy - and they think it's perfectly okay.
> 
> I agree that it happens sometimes, but I wouldn't sweepingly generalise all
> women as being guilty of it.

I'm fairly sure I didn't.

>  All Wimmin, perhaps.

Not even that - a certain type, yes.

> >>I believe that men and women *do* view the
> >> world differently. Different priorities give different perspectives.
> >
> > Quite - and each individual has a different priority.  You assume that
> > sex is the biggest varying factor, so it seems.  I assume that
> > individuality is the biggest varying factor.
> >
> > From what I've seen of the world, you're wrong and I'm right.
> 
> [...]
> 
> It's complicated by the way us men just can't get our poor little heads
> around the way women think.  No matter how much they express it in a way
> that is perfectly clear to any woman.
> 
> No-one can ever win in the war of the sexes.

You'll only find me manning the barricades against the loony feminists.

Rowland.


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<snip>

You could read "The Myth of Male Power" 
http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448

Its an interesting read.

Be gentle on yourself

Simon

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On Aug 19, 1:11 pm, "Sasquatch"
 wrote:
> <snip>
>
> You could read "The Myth of Male Power"http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448
>
> Its an interesting read.
>
> Be gentle on yourself
>
> Simon

Interesting that the author cites his earlier books, and cites this
work in his later books. Anyone would think he was more interested in
selling books than informing the public.

I'll give it a miss, thanks.

Evil Nigel

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On Aug 19, 1:11 pm, "Sasquatch"
 wrote:
> <snip>
>
> You could read "The Myth of Male 
> Power"http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448
>
> Its an interesting read.
>
> Be gentle on yourself
>
> Simon

Interesting that the author cites his earlier books, and cites this
work in his later books. Anyone would think he was more interested in
selling books than informing the public.

I'll give it a miss, thanks.

Evil Nigel


It's a limited field of study, and most academics cite themselves or their 
bestest buds.  See if the library has a copy.  It has some interesting 
points, some cruddy ones too, but overall, like I said, an interesting read.

Be gentle on yourself

Simon

Sasquatch  wrote:

> <snip>
> 
> You could read "The Myth of Male Power" 
> http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Male-Power-Warren-Farrell/dp/0425181448

I could do, but I don't think I'll bother.

> Its an interesting read.

I suspect that it would just annoy me.

"The weakness of men is the facade of strength: the strength of women is
the facade of weakness."

translates to: the author's a grade A tosser and his book is a load of
nonsense.

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Sasquatch  wrote:

[snip]

> It's a limited field of study, and most academics cite themselves or their
> bestest buds. 

Which is good evidence that it's as well to ignore almost all of the
academics working in the field: they're not trying to find out about
`reality', they're trying to win the argument.

The only public statements on this sort of thing that I've met which
don't strike me as annoying nonsense have come from old people - often
women talking on Womans' Hour, which might strike some people as
strange.

(I love the old fashioned feminists they get on WH - they're very good
at putting the boot into the modern raving type of feminist and they do
it oh so subtly)

> See if the library has a copy.  It has some interesting 
> points, some cruddy ones too, but overall, like I said, an interesting read.

[snip]

I doubt that any valid point it makes is one that I've not already met,
and possibly developed for myself.

Rowland.

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"Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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> Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is coming 
> over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of housework 
> into about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come from? 
> Probably the same place as the fluff.

how fun to have a visitor, lachie.  i hope it goes well.

>
> "The weakness of men is the facade of strength: the strength of women is
> the facade of weakness."
>
> translates to: the author's a grade A tosser and his book is a load of
> nonsense.
>

also translates into "if I am obsequious enough, some woman might be stupid 
enough to give me my Nat King"

"used2be"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:MNKdncaVxIr-YDjV4p2dnAA@plusnet...
>> Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is 
>> coming over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of 
>> housework into about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come 
>> from? Probably the same place as the fluff.
>
> how fun to have a visitor, lachie.  i hope it goes well.
>

Sabine (my German) is really lovely.  We've been doing the whole touristy 
thing, visiting Edinburgh, Loch Lomond, museums etc.  We even went to see my 
old band tonight, they were pretty good with their new guitarist and they 
gave me a mention when they played a song I wrote.  The band who were on 
before them, on the other hand, were dire.  The 20 minutes we listened to 
them for was worse than being murdered.  I'd rather hear "Allah Akbar!!!!" 
on a transatlantic flight than ever have to listen to anything quite that 
shite again.

Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "The weakness of men is the facade of strength: the strength of women is
> > the facade of weakness."
> >
> > translates to: the author's a grade A tosser and his book is a load of
> > nonsense.
> 
> also translates into "if I am obsequious enough, some woman might be stupid
> enough to give me my Nat King" 

Is that supposed to mean anything?

Rowland.

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> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is coming
> > over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of housework
> > into about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come from? 
> > Probably the same place as the fluff.
> 
> how fun to have a visitor, lachie.  i hope it goes well. 

Hmm.

The other thing to say is `Hello Cindy'.

:-)

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"Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote in message 
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>
>
> "used2be"  wrote in message 
> news:6h0rdiFfr7etU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:MNKdncaVxIr-YDjV4p2dnAA@plusnet...
>>> Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is 
>>> coming over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of 
>>> housework into about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come 
>>> from? Probably the same place as the fluff.
>>
>> how fun to have a visitor, lachie.  i hope it goes well.
>>
>
> Sabine (my German) is really lovely.  We've been doing the whole touristy 
> thing, visiting Edinburgh, Loch Lomond, museums etc.  We even went to see 
> my old band tonight, they were pretty good with their new guitarist and 
> they gave me a mention when they played a song I wrote.  The band who were 
> on before them, on the other hand, were dire.  The 20 minutes we listened 
> to them for was worse than being murdered.  I'd rather hear "Allah 
> Akbar!!!!" on a transatlantic flight than ever have to listen to anything 
> quite that shite again.

well other than the sucky band, it sounds as if you are having a wonderful 
time!!!  i'm glad, lachlan.  :)

"Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote in message 
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> used2be  wrote:
>
>> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is 
>> > coming
>> > over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of housework
>> > into about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come from?
>> > Probably the same place as the fluff.
>>
>> how fun to have a visitor, lachie.  i hope it goes well.
>
> Hmm.
>
> The other thing to say is `Hello Cindy'.
>
> :-)
>

hello rowland.  i hope life is treating you well.

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> Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > "The weakness of men is the facade of strength: the strength of women 
>> > is
>> > the facade of weakness."
>> >
>> > translates to: the author's a grade A tosser and his book is a load of
>> > nonsense.
>>
>> also translates into "if I am obsequious enough, some woman might be 
>> stupid
>> enough to give me my Nat King"
>
> Is that supposed to mean anything?
>
> Rowland.
>
> -- 

Aye, you know.  Your Nat King Cole means your hole.  some nookie. horizontal 
jogging, etc.

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>
> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote in message 
> news:q-2dnbesIdVWyzbVnZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>>
>>
>> "used2be"  wrote in message 
>> news:6h0rdiFfr7etU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>> news:MNKdncaVxIr-YDjV4p2dnAA@plusnet...
>>>> Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is 
>>>> coming over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of 
>>>> housework into about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come 
>>>> from? Probably the same place as the fluff.
>>>
>>> how fun to have a visitor, lachie.  i hope it goes well.
>>>
>>
>> Sabine (my German) is really lovely.  We've been doing the whole touristy 
>> thing, visiting Edinburgh, Loch Lomond, museums etc.  We even went to see 
>> my old band tonight, they were pretty good with their new guitarist and 
>> they gave me a mention when they played a song I wrote.  The band who 
>> were on before them, on the other hand, were dire.  The 20 minutes we 
>> listened to them for was worse than being murdered.  I'd rather hear 
>> "Allah Akbar!!!!" on a transatlantic flight than ever have to listen to 
>> anything quite that shite again.
>
> well other than the sucky band, it sounds as if you are having a wonderful 
> time!!!  i'm glad, lachlan.  :)
>

Yeah, we're having a nice time.  Not seen you about here for a while, how 
are you?

Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

> Aye, you know.  Your Nat King Cole means your hole.

Umm.  Oh.  Erm.  What?

>  some nookie. horizontal 
> jogging, etc.

And that's what `my hole' refers to, is it?

How's that work?

Rowland.

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used2be  wrote:

> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
[snip]

> > The other thing to say is `Hello Cindy'.
> >
> > :-)
> 
> hello rowland.  i hope life is treating you well. 

Life is treating me much worse.

Rowland.
(who /really badly/ needs a shower, but just had to get some useful
typing done first, did it, and then got distracted with this.  Well, I
might feel really manky, but at least none of you are going to complain
about the smell)


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>
>
> "used2be"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:q-2dnbesIdVWyzbVnZ2dnUVZ8uydnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>>>
>>>
>>> "used2be"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6h0rdiFfr7etU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote in message 
>>>> news:MNKdncaVxIr-YDjV4p2dnAA@plusnet...
>>>>> Ok, I should've hoovered in the last year.  My online pal Sabine is 
>>>>> coming over from Germany tomorrow.  I've condensed a year's worth of 
>>>>> housework into about 3 hours.  Where the hell does all that dirt come 
>>>>> from? Probably the same place as the fluff.
>>>>
>>>> how fun to have a visitor, lachie.  i hope it goes well.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sabine (my German) is really lovely.  We've been doing the whole 
>>> touristy thing, visiting Edinburgh, Loch Lomond, museums etc.  We even 
>>> went to see my old band tonight, they were pretty good with their new 
>>> guitarist and they gave me a mention when they played a song I wrote. 
>>> The band who were on before them, on the other hand, were dire.  The 20 
>>> minutes we listened to them for was worse than being murdered.  I'd 
>>> rather hear "Allah Akbar!!!!" on a transatlantic flight than ever have 
>>> to listen to anything quite that shite again.
>>
>> well other than the sucky band, it sounds as if you are having a 
>> wonderful time!!!  i'm glad, lachlan.  :)
>>
>
> Yeah, we're having a nice time.  Not seen you about here for a while, how 
> are you?

it's been an extraordinarily busy summer with my 17 yr old daughter's 
softball schedule and tournaments, and this is my only week "off" before 
preschool starts back up next week.  it's been a bit nutty for sure!  i'm 
doing good, lachie.  i hope you are as well.

"Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote in message 
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> used2be  wrote:
>
>> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> > The other thing to say is `Hello Cindy'.
>> >
>> > :-)
>>
>> hello rowland.  i hope life is treating you well.
>
> Life is treating me much worse.
>
> Rowland.
> (who /really badly/ needs a shower, but just had to get some useful
> typing done first, did it, and then got distracted with this.  Well, I
> might feel really manky, but at least none of you are going to complain
> about the smell)

i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :) 
it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.

used2be  wrote:

> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> > used2be  wrote:
> >
> >> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> > [snip]
> >
> >> > The other thing to say is `Hello Cindy'.
> >> >
> >> > :-)
> >>
> >> hello rowland.  i hope life is treating you well.
> >
> > Life is treating me much worse.
> >
> > Rowland.
> > (who /really badly/ needs a shower, but just had to get some useful
> > typing done first, did it, and then got distracted with this.  Well, I
> > might feel really manky, but at least none of you are going to complain
> > about the smell)
> 
> i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :)
> it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's. 

It's 5.30 in the evening, and I'm still in my dressing gown (who needs
pyjamas?) and I didn't shower yesterday either.

Going by that description, and thinking about the lank, greasy hair on
my head, what do you think manky means?[1]

ROFL!

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manky>

It seems that the word `manky' is understood by the members of a
Washington state based `sludge metal' band.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvins>

"They maintain an impressive schedule of new albums and tours, including
two releases with former Dead Kennedys front man Jello Biafra"

Okay, so I'm impressed.

But what the hell is sludge metal?  Do I really want to know?

Rowland.

[1] From British slang definitions of the Web:

manky = shaky, rotten, decrepit, undesirable, tasteless, peculiar,
unstable, unreliable

(close to what my dictionary says)

Or

manky  adj gross; disgusting. The word is derived from the French
"manqué", the past participal of "manquer" (to fail).

(close to the way I was using it above)

(caveat: my Concise Oxford Dictionary does not attest to the derivation
claimed by the above definition)

A lot of the lists of British slang out there contain defintions that
are what I'd call entirely wrong - some of them are marginal, but some
of them miss the point entirely.

And there's crazy stuff like this:

mole grip - vice.

Thing is, "Mole" is the tradename of one particular manufacturer's type
of self-gripping pliers.  Mole grips (always plural, like pliers) are
pliers that keep a grip when you let go - not a bloody vice.  The term's
generic these days, like hoover for vacuum cleaner - lots of firms make
'em (I assume the patent ran out before I was born).

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>
>> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
>> > used2be  wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
>> > [snip]
>> >
>> >> > The other thing to say is `Hello Cindy'.
>> >> >
>> >> > :-)
>> >>
>> >> hello rowland.  i hope life is treating you well.
>> >
>> > Life is treating me much worse.
>> >
>> > Rowland.
>> > (who /really badly/ needs a shower, but just had to get some useful
>> > typing done first, did it, and then got distracted with this.  Well, I
>> > might feel really manky, but at least none of you are going to complain
>> > about the smell)
>>
>> i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :)
>> it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.
>
> It's 5.30 in the evening, and I'm still in my dressing gown (who needs
> pyjamas?) and I didn't shower yesterday either.

ohhhh...i bet you *are* quite manky indeed.  :D  i did at least shower and 
dress yesterday, but i'm considering going without today.  at least until 
this afternoon.  then maybe i'll get productive.  i don't want hubby to come 
home and tell me i'm "manky."  <g>
>
> But what the hell is sludge metal?  Do I really want to know?

doesn't sound like anything i'd want to get too close to either.

> Thing is, "Mole" is the tradename of one particular manufacturer's type
> of self-gripping pliers.  Mole grips (always plural, like pliers) are
> pliers that keep a grip when you let go - not a bloody vice.  The term's
> generic these days, like hoover for vacuum cleaner - lots of firms make
> 'em (I assume the patent ran out before I was born).

yeah, we have alot of the same oddities in america as well.  like calling 
all tissues "kleenex."  or all sodas "coke."  you want a coke?  sure!  okay, 
what kind?  heh...

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On Aug 20, 6:02 pm, "used2be"  wrote:

> yeah, we have alot of the same oddities in america as well.  like calling
> all tissues "kleenex."  or all sodas "coke."  you want a coke?  sure!  okay,
> what kind?

Coca-Cola registered 'coke' in the UK so if you ask for a coke,
theoretically you're supposed to be served a Coca-Cola product.
However everyone uses it generically for cola despite the legal guys.

Changing the subject somewhat, I'm a little surprised to see Mr
Kipling have dropped their advertising slogan "exceedingly good
cakes". According to current guidelines they wouldn't have been able
to start using that, but because it was in use before the guidelines
came in, they were allowed an exemption to continue using it.

(Mr Kipling, now part of Premier Foods I believe, make cakes and
pastry products for the mass market. However by maintaining vigorous
advertising campaigns to keep their brand awareness in the public eye,
they are able to charge more than their competitors.)

Evil Nigel

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> Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Aye, you know.  Your Nat King Cole means your hole.
>
> Umm.  Oh.  Erm.  What?
>
>>  some nookie. horizontal
>> jogging, etc.
>
> And that's what `my hole' refers to, is it?
>
> How's that work?
>
> Rowland.
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Let me set the scene.  You return to work on a Monday in Glasgow.
Your friend asks "How was yer weekend?"
You reply "No bad, was at a party on Saturday night"
"Excellent" says your friend "did ye get yer hole?"
To which you say "Naw, but it was pure hoachin' wi quality fandan from the 
West End"
Your friend says "Nice"

> 
> i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :) 
> it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's. 
> 
>

Manky means :- boggin', clatty, pure mingin', hummin', boufin', rank.

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>>
>> i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :) 
>> it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.
>
> Manky means :- boggin', clatty, pure mingin', hummin', boufin', rank.

the only one of those words i understood was "rank."

i've showered now, so i'm no longer clatty.  at least, i sure hope i'm not! 
whatever that means.

:D

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> >
> > i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :)
> > it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.
> >
> >
>
> Manky means :- boggin', clatty, pure mingin', hummin', boufin', rank.

lol 'pure mingin' '! you chav :)

Lu x

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> >
> > i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :)
> > it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.
> >
> >
>
> Manky means :- boggin', clatty, pure mingin', hummin', boufin', rank

Hehe Lachlan, thought you might appreciate Urban Dictionary's 7th definition
of 'manky'....

 manky

Scottish slang word to describe a situation, person or object in a poor
state of affairs. Commonly used in Scottish bars to describe the state of
the toilets or glasses.
That fuckin bog is manky
Gary Glitter? he's a manky cunt
That bufty asked me tae dance. Manky fucker.
I went to T in the Park and my clothes got manky.
glasgow's a manky cunt of a place
.

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>> >
>> > i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :)
>> > it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Manky means :- boggin', clatty, pure mingin', hummin', boufin', rank.
>
> lol 'pure mingin' '! you chav :)
>
> Lu x
>
>

Actually, North of the border chavs become neds.

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>> Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Aye, you know.  Your Nat King Cole means your hole.
>>
>> Umm.  Oh.  Erm.  What?
>>
>>>  some nookie. horizontal
>>> jogging, etc.
>>
>> And that's what `my hole' refers to, is it?
>>
>> How's that work?
>>
>> Rowland.
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> Let me set the scene.  You return to work on a Monday in Glasgow.
> Your friend asks "How was yer weekend?"
> You reply "No bad, was at a party on Saturday night"
> "Excellent" says your friend "did ye get yer hole?"
> To which you say "Naw, but it was pure hoachin' wi quality fandan from the 
> West End"
> Your friend says "Nice"

(correction - "quality fandan fae the west end.")

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>>
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>>> Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Aye, you know.  Your Nat King Cole means your hole.
>>>
>>> Umm.  Oh.  Erm.  What?
>>>
>>>>  some nookie. horizontal
>>>> jogging, etc.
>>>
>>> And that's what `my hole' refers to, is it?
>>>
>>> How's that work?
>>>
>>> Rowland.
>>>
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>> Let me set the scene.  You return to work on a Monday in Glasgow.
>> Your friend asks "How was yer weekend?"
>> You reply "No bad, was at a party on Saturday night"
>> "Excellent" says your friend "did ye get yer hole?"
>> To which you say "Naw, but it was pure hoachin' wi quality fandan 
>> from the West End"
>> Your friend says "Nice"
>
> (correction - "quality fandan fae the west end.")

There is a scene in Band of Brothers where a British soldier in a German 
uniform speaks to an American soldier in an utterly unintelligible 
Cockney accent. It was hilariously funny. I've been poking aroung 
YouTube but I haven't had any luck.

used2be  wrote:

> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> > used2be  wrote:
> >
> >> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> >> > used2be  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> >> > [snip]
> >> >
> >> >> > The other thing to say is `Hello Cindy'.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> hello rowland.  i hope life is treating you well.
> >> >
> >> > Life is treating me much worse.
> >> >
> >> > Rowland.
> >> > (who /really badly/ needs a shower, but just had to get some useful
> >> > typing done first, did it, and then got distracted with this.  Well, I
> >> > might feel really manky, but at least none of you are going to complain
> >> > about the smell)
> >>
> >> i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :)
> >> it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.
> >
> > It's 5.30 in the evening, and I'm still in my dressing gown (who needs
> > pyjamas?) and I didn't shower yesterday either.
> 
> ohhhh...i bet you *are* quite manky indeed. 

Not any more.  Showered, washed, conditioned, moisturised, deoderised -
all done; well, aside from the `clothes' bit.

> :D  i did at least shower and 
> dress yesterday, but i'm considering going without today.  at least until
> this afternoon.  then maybe i'll get productive.  i don't want hubby to come
> home and tell me i'm "manky."  <g>

<grin>  Here, we're much more likely to spot that ourselves are manky
before the other starts to whinge about the pong.  I like being clean
and I don't like being greasy and smelly.  Honest dirt's not so
objectionable - good clean mud is something I quite approve of, not that
I want to get it all over the inside of the house or anything.

> > But what the hell is sludge metal?  Do I really want to know?
> 
> doesn't sound like anything i'd want to get too close to either.

Umm.  Things are a bit different here.  The Melvins are apparently one
of the inspirations used by Nirvana, and my other half occasionally
mentions that she's pleased to have seen Nirvana in a small, sweaty club
before they got famous.  We share similar tastes in music.

> > Thing is, "Mole" is the tradename of one particular manufacturer's type
> > of self-gripping pliers.  Mole grips (always plural, like pliers) are
> > pliers that keep a grip when you let go - not a bloody vice.  The term's
> > generic these days, like hoover for vacuum cleaner - lots of firms make
> > 'em (I assume the patent ran out before I was born).
> 
> yeah, we have alot of the same oddities in america as well.  like calling
> all tissues "kleenex."  or all sodas "coke."  you want a coke?  sure!  okay,
> what kind?

The white powdery kind? ;-)

The generic name of that kind of drink ought to be cola, on the grounds
that it's got cola nut extract in it.  The `coca' bit apparently comes
from the cocaine that's no longer an ingredient.

(I don't like coke of any sort, as it happens - not that I've ever tried
the white powdery sort).

Rowland.

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> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > "Rowland McDonnell" <real-address-in-sig@flur.bltigibbet> wrote:
> >> Lachlan - KotU <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >>> Aye, you know.  Your Nat King Cole means your hole.
> >>
> >> Umm.  Oh.  Erm.  What?
> >>
> >>>  some nookie. horizontal
> >>> jogging, etc.
> >>
> >> And that's what `my hole' refers to, is it?
> >>
> >> How's that work?

[snip oh you could have done it yourself, couldn't you?]

> > Let me set the scene.  You return to work on a Monday in Glasgow.
> > Your friend asks "How was yer weekend?"
> > You reply "No bad, was at a party on Saturday night"
> > "Excellent" says your friend "did ye get yer hole?"
> > To which you say "Naw, but it was pure hoachin' wi quality fandan from the
> > West End"
> > Your friend says "Nice"
> 
> (correction - "quality fandan fae the west end.") 

Ah - righto.  I think.

Still, I can't see where `hole' comes from, if you see what I mean.  And
while fandan is more or less comprehensible from context, I can't figure
out its precise meaning (or source).

Hoachin'?  Gawd knows, but I can still catch the drift despite
cluelessness on that score.

Rowland.
(who's very definitely from London, orright?  A far more civilised city
than Glasgow, and definitely bigger than Edinburgh.)

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[snip]

> There is a scene in Band of Brothers where a British soldier in a German
> uniform speaks to an American soldier in an utterly unintelligible 
> Cockney accent. It was hilariously funny. I've been poking aroung 
> YouTube but I haven't had any luck. 

Laurie Lee almost got shot as a German spy in Spain, because the Spanish
mistook his heavy Gloucestershire accent for a German accent.

That wasn't at all funny.  `As I walked out one midsummer's morning' is
the book the tale's in, IIRC.

Rowland.


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> "Lachlan - KotU" <hamfish(nospam)@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :)
> >> it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.
> >
> > Manky means :- boggin', clatty, pure mingin', hummin', boufin', rank.
> 
> the only one of those words i understood was "rank."

It's okay - he's speaking Scottish, and even the Scots have trouble
understanding each other when they do that.

(it's dialect stuff, and dialects varations are huge - variations
depending on where you are.  We've got an unusually large range of
dialect variations in the UK - although the variations are getting
reduced by the day.  Radio broadcasting started to put an end to the
more entertaining stuff in that line.)

> i've showered now, so i'm no longer clatty.  at least, i sure hope i'm not!
> whatever that means.

Something uncivilised from north of the border, that's all you need to
know. ;-)

Rowland.

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> Actually, North of the border chavs become neds. 

Or you could argue that the word Scots mistakenly use to describe `a
chav' is `ned'[1].

<cough>

Rowland.
(not even within 100 miles of Scotland, so feeling fairly safe)

[1]  As it happpens, I think I prefer `ned' over `chav'.

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> > >
> > > i'm not sure what manky is, but i think i might smell the same way.  :)
> > > it's 11:30 in the morning here and i'm still in my pj's.
> >
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