Dextromethorphan or DXM as in Robitussin dry cough syrup.
Lay off any SSRIs for a couple of days and drink the whole bottle.
This is 10X the dose but many people take 3 or 4 bottles for a "trip".
I have tried it myself and had lots of energy and motivation and no 
depression.
I know this is cough mixture "abuse" and was prejudiced against it 
myself until I tried it.

-- 
Spencer    Manchester   UK

"Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather
straps." - Emo Philips

Don't you crash for being active when you can't actually be that active.

-- 
- Adam
"Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message 
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> Dextromethorphan or DXM as in Robitussin dry cough syrup.
> Lay off any SSRIs for a couple of days and drink the whole bottle.
> This is 10X the dose but many people take 3 or 4 bottles for a "trip".
> I have tried it myself and had lots of energy and motivation and no
> depression.
> I know this is cough mixture "abuse" and was prejudiced against it
> myself until I tried it.
>
> -- 
> Spencer    Manchester   UK
>
> "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather
> straps." - Emo Philips
>
>

"Adam Del-Monte"  wrote in message 
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| Don't you crash for being active when you can't actually be that 
active.

No, I kept going all day; not even any back pain or come-down.
I am not in relapse at this time.
My ME seems unique as I have long very severe relapses followed by a 
similar length recovery when I feel quite good; sometimes too good; 
verging on manic.

| "Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message
| news:42n6qtF1j7mhqU1@individual.net...
| > Dextromethorphan or DXM as in Robitussin dry cough syrup.
| > Lay off any SSRIs for a couple of days and drink the whole bottle.
| > This is 10X the dose but many people take 3 or 4 bottles for a 
"trip".
| > I have tried it myself and had lots of energy and motivation and no
| > depression.
| > I know this is cough mixture "abuse" and was prejudiced against it
| > myself until I tried it.
| >
| > -- 
| > Spencer    Manchester   UK
| >
| > "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather
| > straps." - Emo Philips

"Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message 
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|
| "Adam Del-Monte"  wrote in message
| news:dq6hri$14o$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
|| Don't you crash for being active when you can't actually be that
| active.
|
| No, I kept going all day; not even any back pain or come-down.
| I am not in relapse at this time.
| My ME seems unique as I have long very severe relapses followed by a
| similar length recovery when I feel quite good; sometimes too good;
| verging on manic.

I should add that during a relapse I probably would not be able to drink 
a bottle of Robo as sometimes I cannot even drink a cup of coffee.
I am also completely alcohol intolerant but I can drink moderatly now.
At no time am I able to run or move fast.

|| "Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message
|| news:42n6qtF1j7mhqU1@individual.net...
|| > Dextromethorphan or DXM as in Robitussin dry cough syrup.
|| > Lay off any SSRIs for a couple of days and drink the whole bottle.
|| > This is 10X the dose but many people take 3 or 4 bottles for a
| "trip".
|| > I have tried it myself and had lots of energy and motivation and no
|| > depression.
|| > I know this is cough mixture "abuse" and was prejudiced against it
|| > myself until I tried it.
|| >
|| > -- 
|| > Spencer    Manchester   UK
|| >
|| > "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather
|| > straps." - Emo Philips

"Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message
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> |
> | "Adam Del-Monte"  wrote in message
> | news:dq6hri$14o$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> || Don't you crash for being active when you can't actually be that
> | active.
> |
> | No, I kept going all day; not even any back pain or come-down.
> | I am not in relapse at this time.
> | My ME seems unique as I have long very severe relapses followed by a
> | similar length recovery when I feel quite good; sometimes too good;
> | verging on manic.
>
> I should add that during a relapse I probably would not be able to drink
> a bottle of Robo as sometimes I cannot even drink a cup of coffee.
> I am also completely alcohol intolerant but I can drink moderatly now.
> At no time am I able to run or move fast.

So, do you consider a significant part of your relapses to be psycological? 
That is, your CFS/ME would be at a more moderate level if you got your 
depressions/anxiety/panic under control? I can't keep going all day but I am 
a "moderate" sufferer and certainly if I move fast or run I'd get bad 
symptoms, but if I keep to a slow-moderate walking pace, I can walk for 
between about 15-45 minutes within say a 4-6 hour period without any 
significant adverse effects. I'm also very intolerant of alcohol, caffeine 
etc. I had a really bad patch of anxiety/panic a year ago and that made my 
CFS a whole lot worse.

IanW

"IanW"  wrote in message
| "Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message
| > "Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in messag
| > | "Adam Del-Monte"  wrote in message
| > || Don't you crash for being active when you can't actually be that
| > | active.

| > | No, I kept going all day; not even any back pain or come-down.
| > | I am not in relapse at this time.
| > | My ME seems unique as I have long very severe relapses followed by 
a
| > | similar length recovery when I feel quite good; sometimes too 
good;
| > | verging on manic.
| >
| > I should add that during a relapse I probably would not be able to 
drink
| > a bottle of Robo as sometimes I cannot even drink a cup of coffee.
| > I am also completely alcohol intolerant but I can drink moderatly 
now.
| > At no time am I able to run or move fast.
|
| So, do you consider a significant part of your relapses to be 
psycological?
| That is, your CFS/ME would be at a more moderate level if you got your
| depressions/anxiety/panic under control?

No. The physical debilitity comes before any depressions/anxiety/panic.
I sleep quite peacefully during the first week of a relapse and just 
want to be left alone to rest. After 5 or 6 weeks housebound, alone and 
hungry you would not expect me to be happy.

-- 
Spencer    Manchester   UK

Love is a many-splintered thing

"Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message 
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> No. The physical debilitity comes before any depressions/anxiety/panic.
> I sleep quite peacefully during the first week of a relapse and just
> want to be left alone to rest. After 5 or 6 weeks housebound, alone and
> hungry you would not expect me to be happy.

Indeed, but if the DXM had that effect, I would have thought it more likely 
down to it tampering with your brain chemistry rather than your energy 
system itself?

Ian

IanW wrote:
> "Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message 
> news:42odn7F1jmt2cU1@individual.net...
> 
>>"Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message
>>news:42o3mbF1jt61vU1@individual.net...
>>|
>>| "Adam Del-Monte"  wrote in message
>>| news:dq6hri$14o$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>|| Don't you crash for being active when you can't actually be that
>>| active.
>>|
>>| No, I kept going all day; not even any back pain or come-down.
>>| I am not in relapse at this time.
>>| My ME seems unique as I have long very severe relapses followed by a
>>| similar length recovery when I feel quite good; sometimes too good;
>>| verging on manic.
>>
>>I should add that during a relapse I probably would not be able to drink
>>a bottle of Robo as sometimes I cannot even drink a cup of coffee.
>>I am also completely alcohol intolerant but I can drink moderatly now.
>>At no time am I able to run or move fast.
> 
> 
> So, do you consider a significant part of your relapses to be psycological? 
> That is, your CFS/ME would be at a more moderate level if you got your 
> depressions/anxiety/panic under control? I can't keep going all day but I am 
> a "moderate" sufferer and certainly if I move fast or run I'd get bad 
> symptoms, but if I keep to a slow-moderate walking pace, I can walk for 
> between about 15-45 minutes within say a 4-6 hour period without any 
> significant adverse effects. 


> I'm also very intolerant of alcohol, caffeine 
> etc.

That will improve to. may 2004 I could drink one cup of coffee, and feel 
sick of it all day. Now people are astounded that I drink ten (10) and 
am not even nervous. Liver detox again :-)

I have to move out again by the end of January. Lost my internet 
connection since half december again. Belgium sucks big time.

Ancdotes of Belgium sucks:
I went with my cure to several Belgian banks. They all laughed at me.
I jumped over the Dutch (Netherlands) border 10 miles from here.
They proposed me several ways of incorporating and promised me there 
would be plenty of financing available, for such a product. I was so 
encouraged by this that I was sure that I could find Belgian/Internet 
investors, and did not pursue this road. Now, I do not have a car 
anymore, or any other transportation to the Netherlands, and that road 
seems to be nearly impossible. It is catch 22 everywhere.

But I just had an idea. I have to talk to the mayor here.
That could set thing in motion, and he also could procure some decent 
surroundings for a press conference, another problem to face.


> I had a really bad patch of anxiety/panic a year ago and that made my 
> CFS a whole lot worse.

Yes, I almost relapsed of fear of being homeless. Calming down and my 
cure got me over it again next day. Stress/anxiety/panic is the worst 
you can have, when dealing with cfs.


Uwe Hayek. (from an internet cafe)

"Hayek"  wrote in message 
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> I have to move out again by the end of January. Lost my internet 
> connection since half december again. Belgium sucks big time.

Loosing internet connection usually has a very good reason...
(banned by provider for abuse, or not paying the fees, .... )

> Ancdotes of Belgium sucks:
> I went with my cure to several Belgian banks. They all laughed at me.

Guess why ?
Maybe they didn't saw any profit, or even proof ?

> I jumped over the Dutch (Netherlands) border 10 miles from here.
> They proposed me several ways of incorporating and promised me there would 
> be plenty of financing available for such a product.

Hmhm, sure....

> I was so encouraged by this that I was sure that I could find 
> Belgian/Internet investors, and did not pursue this road.

You finally *had* good investors you said...
Then why turn them down to find yet others ?
Something is fishy here (again)

> Now, I do not have a car anymore, or any other transportation to the 
> Netherlands, and that road seems to be nearly impossible. It is catch 22 
> everywhere.

If living only 10miles from the border, then (given the results of your 
"magic cure") what's wrong with using a bicycle ?
It's just 15km, so about 45min of cycling if taking it very easy.
If not possible (say for not having a bike), then there are still those 
things called "train", "bus", "taxi" or even "hitching a ride" there.
Given the results of your "magic cure" I'd guess those alternatives wouldn't 
be able to restrain you from going there.

> But I just had an idea. I have to talk to the mayor here.
> That could set thing in motion, and he also could procure some decent 
> surroundings for a press conference, another problem to face.

Having a press conference just takes inviting the press to a given location, 
nothing more.
One can do that even in his own backyard, or even in the kitchen for that 
matter.
And if the news has such great impact or even relevance, nobody will notice 
the surroundings.

> Yes, I almost relapsed of fear of being homeless. Calming down and my cure 
> got me over it again next day. Stress/anxiety/panic is the worst you can 
> have, when dealing with cfs.
> Uwe Hayek. (from an internet cafe)

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:31:37 -0000, "Spencer Spindrift"
 wrote:

>
>"Adam Del-Monte"  wrote in message 
>news:dq6hri$14o$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>| Don't you crash for being active when you can't actually be that 
>active.
>
>No, I kept going all day; not even any back pain or come-down.
>I am not in relapse at this time.
>My ME seems unique as I have long very severe relapses followed by a 
>similar length recovery when I feel quite good; sometimes too good; 
>verging on manic.
Me Too. But the recovery for me is very short maybe a month but not at
full ability.
Temprance
>| "Spencer Spindrift"  wrote in message
>| news:42n6qtF1j7mhqU1@individual.net...
>| > Dextromethorphan or DXM as in Robitussin dry cough syrup.
>| > Lay off any SSRIs for a couple of days and drink the whole bottle.
>| > This is 10X the dose but many people take 3 or 4 bottles for a 
>"trip".
>| > I have tried it myself and had lots of energy and motivation and no
>| > depression.
>| > I know this is cough mixture "abuse" and was prejudiced against it
>| > myself until I tried it.
>| >
>| > -- 
>| > Spencer    Manchester   UK
>| >
>| > "Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather
>| > straps." - Emo Philips
>