http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/articles.cfm?subject=Fatigue

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Spencer ©¿©¬  wrote:

> http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/articles.cfm?subject=Fatigue 

ISTR she was accused of some sort of professional misconduct and then
cleared. Is it the case that most PwME consider her an asset but one or
two organisations disagree with her? Personally I can really identify
with the articles I've read on that site so far and think there's some
useful information there.

I'm going through a very bad time at the moment because I need treatment
for depression and anxiety, but all I've been offered so far is another
course of citalopram which made me worse (insomnia and axiety) earlier
in the year. It's good to see that at least one qualified doctor
acknowledges that SSRI side effects are worse for PwME and usually make
them worse overall. I think for me at the moment my mental condition is
worse than my physical one so they're worth a try, but I can't possibly
face any additional insomnia and anxiety just at the moment so I'll
either have to try a different drug or take it in conjunction with
something else that counteracts the side effects.

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"Tony Houghton"  wrote in message 
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In 5r0af4F128hb4U1@mid.individual.net
Spencer ©¿©¬  wrote:

> http://www.drmyhill.co.uk/articles.cfm?subject=Fatigue

ISTR she was accused of some sort of professional misconduct and then
cleared. Is it the case that most PwME consider her an asset but one or
two organisations disagree with her? Personally I can really identify
with the articles I've read on that site so far and think there's some
useful information there.

I'm going through a very bad time at the moment because I need treatment
for depression and anxiety, but all I've been offered so far is another
course of citalopram which made me worse (insomnia and axiety) earlier
in the year. It's good to see that at least one qualified doctor
acknowledges that SSRI side effects are worse for PwME and usually make
them worse overall. I think for me at the moment my mental condition is
worse than my physical one so they're worth a try, but I can't possibly
face any additional insomnia and anxiety just at the moment so I'll
either have to try a different drug or take it in conjunction with
something else that counteracts the side effects.

-- 
TH * http://www.realh.co.uk

SSRIs made me *extremely* ill and in hellish pain :(

In 5r2tv0F12vomcU1@mid.individual.net
Spencer ©¿©¬  wrote:

> "Tony Houghton"  wrote:
> > Spencer ©¿©¬  wrote:
> > 
> > I'm going through a very bad time at the moment because I need
> > treatment for depression and anxiety, but all I've been offered so
> > far is another course of citalopram which made me worse (insomnia
> > and axiety) earlier in the year.
> 
> My Dr. gave me this first too. SSRIs are worse than useless (with the
> possible exception of Prozac). Furthermore nobody has any idea how
> they are supposed to work and why the 2 week delay before you are
> supposed to feel the bennefit?

I get the impression that they're not fully understood and the
anti-depression effect is just another side effect but a beneficial one.
It looks to me though that chemists are able to determine which types of
chemical have this effect. It's scary that such a tiny pill can have
such a big effect.

> > It's good to see that at least one qualified doctor
> > acknowledges that SSRI side effects are worse for PwME and usually
> > make them worse overall. I think for me at the moment my mental
> > condition is worse than my physical one so they're worth a try, but
> > I can't possibly face any additional insomnia and anxiety just at
> > the moment so I'll either have to try a different drug or take it
> > in conjunction with something else that counteracts the side
> > effects.
> 
> I have stopped taking them and have just begun a trial of SAM-e plus
> Niacinamide both of which I bought for myself online. My Dr. does
> give me some Melatonin, but not enough.

You could get melatonin online too. It doesn't seem to be available here
but there are companies which will import it from the US. Similarly with
kava kava. I bought some melatonin several months ago but didn't realise
until afterwards that it's not recommended if you're depressed so I
haven't taken it. Do you find you stay asleep with it, or do you wake up
after a couple of hours and have to take more? Someone told me that
happened to him.

> Good to see this group is back from the dead!

Just about breathing. ARe there still two Spencers here? I can never
remember which is which.

> Psychiatrists Pimping For Drug Companies Exposed
>     Posted by: "theoneclickgroup" theoneclickgroup@yahoo.co.uk
> 
> PERMISSION TO REPOST
> 
> ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION (AHRP)
> Promoting Openness, Full Disclosure, and Accountability
> http://www.ahrp.org and http://ahrp.blogspot.com
> 
> One Psychiatrist Quits Pimping for Drug Companies 
> - New York Times Magazine
> Vera Hassner Sharav
> 
> FYI
> 
> Dr. Drug Rep, an article by psychiatrist, Daniel Carlat MD, 
> in The New York Times Magazine, describes his year long foray 
> into pitching Effexor for Wyeth Pharmceuticals. Effexor is a 
> toxic antidepressant drug that is linked to hypertension, 
> even at low doses. Furthermore, the drug was linked to 
> severe withdrawal symptoms: "dizziness and lightheadedness, 
> bizarre electric-shock sensations in their heads, insomnia, 
> sadness and tearfulness." etc. etc. etc.So it goes,Spencer 

Venlafaxine is a slightly different class of AD, a SNRI. I was
prescribed that a few years ago and decided not to take it after a bit
of research. There'd been a lot of controversy over Seroxat (IIRC) at
the time and it had the most complaints about side effects and
withdrawal. Venlafaxine was second on that list. I also found out that
BP monitoring was recommended but the psychiatrist who prescribed them
to me didn't mention it and had made no arrangements for following me up
at all.

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"Tony Houghton"  wrote in message news:2007
Spencer ©¿©¬  wrote:
 > "Tony Houghton"  wrote:
 > > Spencer ©¿©¬  wrote:
 > >
 > > I'm going through a very bad time at the moment because I need
 > > treatment for depression and anxiety, but all I've been offered so
 > > far is another course of citalopram which made me worse (insomnia
 > > and axiety) earlier in the year.
 >
 > My Dr. gave me this first too. SSRIs are worse than useless (with the
 > possible exception of Prozac). Furthermore nobody has any idea how
 > they are supposed to work and why the 2 week delay before you are
 > supposed to feel the benefit?

  I get the impression that they're not fully understood and the
  anti-depression effect is just another side effect but a beneficial one.
  It looks to me though that chemists are able to determine which types of
  chemical have this effect. It's scary that such a tiny pill can have
  such a big effect.

 > > It's good to see that at least one qualified doctor
 > > acknowledges that SSRI side effects are worse for PwME and usually
 > > make them worse overall. I think for me at the moment my mental
 > > condition is worse than my physical one so they're worth a try, but
 > > I can't possibly face any additional insomnia and anxiety just at
 > > the moment so I'll either have to try a different drug or take it
 > > in conjunction with something else that counteracts the side
 > > effects.
 >
 > I have stopped taking them and have just begun a trial of SAM-e plus
 > Niacinamide both of which I bought for myself online. My Dr. does
 > give me some Melatonin, but not enough.

   You could get melatonin online too. It doesn't seem to be available here
   but there are companies which will import it from the US. Similarly with
  kava kava. I bought some melatonin several months ago but didn't realise
  until afterwards that it's not recommended if you're depressed so I
  haven't taken it. Do you find you stay asleep with it, or do you wake up
  after a couple of hours and have to take more? Someone told me that
  happened to him.

I stay asleep and can also go back to sleep in the morning if I take 2 x 
2Mg.
One tends to experience vivid dreams until you get used to it.

Kava kava didn't do anything for me but I do use an exotic Eastern herb 
called Kratom (Ultra enhanced is best) from
http://kratomuk.co.uk/shop Very fast delivery and good value - recomended.

 > Good to see this group is back from the dead!

  Just about breathing. ARe there still two Spencers here? I can never
  remember which is which.

No. I'm Spencer Spindrift. The other one hasn't posted for years.

 > Psychiatrists Pimping For Drug Companies Exposed
 >     Posted by: "theoneclickgroup" theoneclickgroup@yahoo.co.uk
 >
 > PERMISSION TO REPOST
 >
 > ALLIANCE FOR HUMAN RESEARCH PROTECTION (AHRP)
 > Promoting Openness, Full Disclosure, and Accountability
 > http://www.ahrp.org and http://ahrp.blogspot.com

  Venlafaxine is a slightly different class of AD, a SNRI. I was
  prescribed that a few years ago and decided not to take it after a bit
  of research. There'd been a lot of controversy over Seroxat

Never had a problem with Seroxat - it has no effect on me at all.

So it goes, Spencer Spindrift

In 5r55deF12tm10U1@mid.individual.net
Spencer Spindrift  wrote:

> Kava kava didn't do anything for me but I do use an exotic Eastern
> herb called Kratom (Ultra enhanced is best) from
> http://kratomuk.co.uk/shop Very fast delivery and good value -
> recomended.

I've had mixed results with kava kava. The first lot I had was before it
was banned here and you could get it cheap from Goldshield so I took it
every day. It seemed to help a bit.

It's a bit expensive to be taking every day now. Most of the time if I
start taking it to get through a bad patch it doesn't help, but on two
occasions I've gone from the verge of a panic attack to completely calm
about 15-20 minutes after taking a capsule.

My current jar of KK has nearly run out so I've got some Relora next.
That's even more expensive but it will be worth it if it works.

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