By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high as 
previously thought.

(Advertisement)


A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the condition - 
compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.

The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre, 
estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or suffer 
from a related disorder.

Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to be 
around four or five cases per 10,000 people.

The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine rise in 
cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.

Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that 
impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.

They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism, 
through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder 
Asperger's syndrome.

Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research 
Centre, studied children at local primary schools.

According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the figure 
may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been 
blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.

However, five members of the research team reject that view, including team 
leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.

Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition of 
the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones in 
the womb were more likely to be the cause.

The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders 
among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 2001 
and 2004.

-- 
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

CONFUCIUS

On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
> By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
> The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high as
> previously thought.
>
> (Advertisement)
>
> A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the condition -
> compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
>
> The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
> estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or suffer
> from a related disorder.
>
> Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to be
> around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
>
> The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine rise in
> cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
>
> Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
> impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
>
> They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
> through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
> Asperger's syndrome.
>
> Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
> Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
>
> According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the figure
> may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
> blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
>
> However, five members of the research team reject that view, including team
> leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
>
> Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition of
> the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones in
> the womb were more likely to be the cause.
>
> The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
> among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 2001
> and 2004.
>
> --
> Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
>
> CONFUCIUS
>
>  b?P=Ag_pYlf4ais4smomRheo3QE01Si.F0aRtrgAAt2U&T=145bputuj%2fX%3d1183954616%2fE%3d2022107250%2fR%3dukie_news%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dHR%2fY%3dUKIE%2fF%3d2597724682%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3dD86BF857&U=13kst8nk3%2fN%3dZ47bNVf4axE-%2fC%3d200093696.201404205.202681985.200493719%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d200621205
> 1KDownload

The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.

I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
"normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.

The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
future will be for everybody!

p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
shouldn't be at least...

Roza,
Artistic Autistic

www.myspace.com/rozagy

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...

Agreed. I am about 50% High Funcioning Asperger's myself.
My son got a double dose of of the gene as his mother is like me and he is 
severely affected and dosn't relate to anyone but his mother, not even me.
I'll add you to myspace friends.
--
Spencer

Zoo: An excellent place to study the habits of human beings.

E. Esar

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| >
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
| >
| > CONFUCIUS
|
| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...
|
| Roza,
| Artistic Autistic
|
| www.myspace.com/rozagy

http://www.myspace.com/spencerprimate

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
| >
| > CONFUCIUS
|
| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...

DEMONSTRATION IN SUPPORT OF DR ANDY WAKEFIELD

In one of the most bizarre and preposterous developments in
the long running MMR/bowel disease/Autism debate, Dr Andrew
Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
from practising medicine. It is of the utmost importance that
anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
research, joins this public protest:

WE'RE WITH WAKEFIELD DEMONSTRATION

General Medical Council
Regents Place
350 Euston Road,
LONDON NW1 3JN

Monday July 16th, from 8am

Nearest Tubes: Gt. Portland Street, Regents Park, Euston
Nearest Rail Station: Euston

Bring Flags, Banners, Placards, but most important, join us!

If Dr Wakefield is struck off the medical hierarchy will likely
refuse all future funding into the relationship between
vaccination and/or bowel disease and all neurological and
other problems in children. It is vital that this demonstration
is well attended.

PLEASE SUPPORT THIS EVENT

************************************************************
This information is available on THE ONE CLICK GROUP website
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************************************************************

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:31:27 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
wrote:

>Dr Andrew
>Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
>with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
>from practising medicine. 

About time too.  Remember he failed to bother to tell anyone that he
took over £400,000 in fees from the solicitor trying to sue MMR
manufacturers before his discredited "study" and also patented the
single vaccine he was peddling after the study before that study even
started.  

>It is of the utmost importance that
>anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
>research, 

What "research"?  It was a shoddy bit of moneymaking.  Wakefield was
paid to find a certain result (which matched his beliefs anyway) and
was going to get a lot more money if he found it.  He didn't bother
telling anyone this.  He then utilised a leading PR company to help
him peddle his false message with considerable success.

Not content with poor quality research and taking money without
disclosing it, it was  Wakefield who then tried to muzzle his
opponents by suing all and sundry for libel leading the Judge in one
case to say that "the claimant wished to extract whatever advantage
he could from the existence of the proceedings while not wishing to
progress them or to give the defendants an opportunity of meeting the
claims." He also stated "It thus appears that the claimant wishes to
use the existence of the libel proceedings for public relations
purposes, and to deter other critics, while at the same time
isolating himself from the downside of such litigation, in having to
answer a substantial defence of justification."  Now wasn't it
Wakefield and his supporters alleging _he_ was being silenced when
the reverse was the truth?

In addition to the claims Wakefield made against them, one of the
defendants in one libel action went a bit further and happily
confirmed that they were accusing Wakefield not merely of peddling
false claims but of being "unremittingly evasive and dishonest in an
effort to cover up his wrong-doing."

In Jan 2007 after a court order compelling him to turn over
undisclosed documents to the defendants Wakefield abandoned all his
cases and paid the costs of the defendants.

Wakefield is a poor quality scientist in whom self-belief turned into
self-delusion. When he could not substantiate his hypotheses he found
a responsive audience among scientifically naive journalists, lawyers
and parents, who found his theories fitted their own agendas.  How
much he was motivated by simple greed will never be known, but there
is no question that he is a lot wealthier now than he would have been
if he had remained honest; which sits rather badly with his
self-indulgent posture of victimhood.


-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
> By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
> The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high as
> previously thought.
>
> (Advertisement)
>
> A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the condition -
> compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
>
> The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
> estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or suffer
> from a related disorder.
>
> Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to be
> around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
>
> The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine rise in
> cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
>
> Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
> impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
>
> They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
> through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
> Asperger's syndrome.
>
> Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
> Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
>
> According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the figure
> may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
> blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
>
> However, five members of the research team reject that view, including team
> leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
>
> Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition of
> the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones in
> the womb were more likely to be the cause.
>
> The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
> among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 2001
> and 2004.
>
> --
> Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
>
> CONFUCIUS
>
>  b?P=Ag_pYlf4ais4smomRheo3QE01Si.F0aRtrgAAt2U&T=145bputuj%2fX%3d1183954616%2fE%3d2022107250%2fR%3dukie_news%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dHR%2fY%3dUKIE%2fF%3d2597724682%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3dD86BF857&U=13kst8nk3%2fN%3dZ47bNVf4axE-%2fC%3d200093696.201404205.202681985.200493719%2fD%3dLREC%2fB%3d200621205
> 1KDownload

The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.

I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
"normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.

The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
future will be for everybody!

p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
shouldn't be at least...

Roza,
Artistic Autistic

www.myspace.com/rozagy

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...

Agreed. I am about 50% High Funcioning Asperger's myself.
My son got a double dose of of the gene as his mother is like me and he is 
severely affected and dosn't relate to anyone but his mother, not even me.
I'll add you to myspace friends.
--
Spencer

Zoo: An excellent place to study the habits of human beings.

E. Esar

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| >
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
| >
| > CONFUCIUS
|
| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...
|
| Roza,
| Artistic Autistic
|
| www.myspace.com/rozagy

http://www.myspace.com/spencerprimate

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
| >
| > CONFUCIUS
|
| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...

DEMONSTRATION IN SUPPORT OF DR ANDY WAKEFIELD

In one of the most bizarre and preposterous developments in
the long running MMR/bowel disease/Autism debate, Dr Andrew
Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
from practising medicine. It is of the utmost importance that
anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
research, joins this public protest:

WE'RE WITH WAKEFIELD DEMONSTRATION

General Medical Council
Regents Place
350 Euston Road,
LONDON NW1 3JN

Monday July 16th, from 8am

Nearest Tubes: Gt. Portland Street, Regents Park, Euston
Nearest Rail Station: Euston

Bring Flags, Banners, Placards, but most important, join us!

If Dr Wakefield is struck off the medical hierarchy will likely
refuse all future funding into the relationship between
vaccination and/or bowel disease and all neurological and
other problems in children. It is vital that this demonstration
is well attended.

PLEASE SUPPORT THIS EVENT

************************************************************
This information is available on THE ONE CLICK GROUP website
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:31:27 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
wrote:

>Dr Andrew
>Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
>with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
>from practising medicine. 

About time too.  Remember he failed to bother to tell anyone that he
took over £400,000 in fees from the solicitor trying to sue MMR
manufacturers before his discredited "study" and also patented the
single vaccine he was peddling after the study before that study even
started.  

>It is of the utmost importance that
>anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
>research, 

What "research"?  It was a shoddy bit of moneymaking.  Wakefield was
paid to find a certain result (which matched his beliefs anyway) and
was going to get a lot more money if he found it.  He didn't bother
telling anyone this.  He then utilised a leading PR company to help
him peddle his false message with considerable success.

Not content with poor quality research and taking money without
disclosing it, it was  Wakefield who then tried to muzzle his
opponents by suing all and sundry for libel leading the Judge in one
case to say that "the claimant wished to extract whatever advantage
he could from the existence of the proceedings while not wishing to
progress them or to give the defendants an opportunity of meeting the
claims." He also stated "It thus appears that the claimant wishes to
use the existence of the libel proceedings for public relations
purposes, and to deter other critics, while at the same time
isolating himself from the downside of such litigation, in having to
answer a substantial defence of justification."  Now wasn't it
Wakefield and his supporters alleging _he_ was being silenced when
the reverse was the truth?

In addition to the claims Wakefield made against them, one of the
defendants in one libel action went a bit further and happily
confirmed that they were accusing Wakefield not merely of peddling
false claims but of being "unremittingly evasive and dishonest in an
effort to cover up his wrong-doing."

In Jan 2007 after a court order compelling him to turn over
undisclosed documents to the defendants Wakefield abandoned all his
cases and paid the costs of the defendants.

Wakefield is a poor quality scientist in whom self-belief turned into
self-delusion. When he could not substantiate his hypotheses he found
a responsive audience among scientifically naive journalists, lawyers
and parents, who found his theories fitted their own agendas.  How
much he was motivated by simple greed will never be known, but there
is no question that he is a lot wealthier now than he would have been
if he had remained honest; which sits rather badly with his
self-indulgent posture of victimhood.


-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

"Peter Parry"  wrote in message news:
| On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:31:27 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
| >Dr Andrew
| >Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
| >with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
| >from practising medicine.
|
| About time too.  Remember he failed to bother to tell anyone that he
| took over £400,000 in fees from the solicitor trying to sue MMR
| manufacturers before his discredited "study" and also patented the
| single vaccine he was peddling after the study before that study even
| started.
|
| >It is of the utmost importance that
| >anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
| >research,
|
| What "research"?  It was a shoddy bit of moneymaking.  Wakefield was
| paid to find a certain result (which matched his beliefs anyway) and
| was going to get a lot more money if he found it.  He didn't bother
| telling anyone this.  He then utilised a leading PR company to help
| him peddle his false message with considerable success.
|
| Not content with poor quality research and taking money without
| disclosing it, it was  Wakefield who then tried to muzzle his
| opponents by suing all and sundry for libel leading the Judge in one
| case to say that "the claimant wished to extract whatever advantage
| he could from the existence of the proceedings while not wishing to
| progress them or to give the defendants an opportunity of meeting the
| claims." He also stated "It thus appears that the claimant wishes to
| use the existence of the libel proceedings for public relations
| purposes, and to deter other critics, while at the same time
| isolating himself from the downside of such litigation, in having to
| answer a substantial defence of justification."  Now wasn't it
| Wakefield and his supporters alleging _he_ was being silenced when
| the reverse was the truth?
|
| In addition to the claims Wakefield made against them, one of the
| defendants in one libel action went a bit further and happily
| confirmed that they were accusing Wakefield not merely of peddling
| false claims but of being "unremittingly evasive and dishonest in an
| effort to cover up his wrong-doing."
|
| In Jan 2007 after a court order compelling him to turn over
| undisclosed documents to the defendants Wakefield abandoned all his
| cases and paid the costs of the defendants.
|
| Wakefield is a poor quality scientist in whom self-belief turned into
| self-delusion. When he could not substantiate his hypotheses he found
| a responsive audience among scientifically naive journalists, lawyers
| and parents, who found his theories fitted their own agendas.  How
| much he was motivated by simple greed will never be known, but there
| is no question that he is a lot wealthier now than he would have been
| if he had remained honest; which sits rather badly with his
| self-indulgent posture of victimhood.

Thnx I didn't know any of that.

How do you explain the massive increase in autism spectrum dissorders?
--
Spencer

"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense"

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:06:01 -0700, Rozagy  wrote:

>> According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the figure
>> may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
>> blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.

One of the two, Fiona Scott, now denies ever saying this.  The other
one was Carol Stott who is no longer employed at the ARC and is most
famous not for her work but her abusive e-mails to Brian Deer who
exposed Wakefields malpractice.  None of the others involved in the
study agree with the hypothesis.

Stott is a long standing supporter, colleague and now employee of
Wakefield - isn't it fortuitous that this incomplete, un reviewed and
unpublished paper which no one else can read and therefore comment on
is sent to the Observer just as Wakefield faces disciplinary action? 
Together with Wakefield, Stott was employed by the claimant's
solicitors in the UK MMR Autism Litigation. She subsequently left
Cambridge and followed Wakefield to his Thoughtful House Centre for
Children in Texas where she now rejoices in the rather grand title of
"Visiting Professor of Developmental Psychology".  

Stott, an ex-associate researcher at Cambridge, was paid just over
£100,000 by the legal services commission in the failed MMR Autism UK
litigation, just over £27,000 was paid to Scott.  Scott and Stott
also jointly set up the (now apparently defunct) Cambridge
Psychometrics and Autism Practice selling autism assessment services,
psychometric assessment and "expert witness advice".
-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:10:47 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
wrote:

>
>How do you explain the massive increase in autism spectrum dissorders?

Mainly it's simply down to altered diagnostic criteria.  Most people
now diagnosed with mild ASD would not have been considered for such a
diagnosis in the past.  

The "vast increase" quoted in the Observer is probably down to the
detection criterion used in the as yet unfinished study.  The
Cambridge University Autism Research Centre have developed a
psychological test they call CAST (Child(hood) Asperger Syndrome
Test).  I suspect their results have been obtained using this test
although this is entirely a guess as the paper is (quite rightly as
it is unfinished) not available.  

If so the validity of the test must be examined in the final study as
it may be labeling many who would not previously have been considered
to be autistic even under the new diagnostic criteria as now being
so.  Whether or not this is correct is yet to be determined.
-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
> By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
> The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high as
> previously thought.
>
> (Advertisement)
>
> A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the condition -
> compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
>
> The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
> estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or suffer
> from a related disorder.
>
> Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to be
> around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
>
> The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine rise in
> cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
>
> Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
> impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
>
> They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
> through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
> Asperger's syndrome.
>
> Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
> Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
>
> According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the figure
> may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
> blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
>
> However, five members of the research team reject that view, including team
> leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
>
> Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition of
> the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones in
> the womb were more likely to be the cause.
>
> The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
> among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 2001
> and 2004.
>
> --
> Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
>
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The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.

I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
"normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.

The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
future will be for everybody!

p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
shouldn't be at least...

Roza,
Artistic Autistic

www.myspace.com/rozagy

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...

Agreed. I am about 50% High Funcioning Asperger's myself.
My son got a double dose of of the gene as his mother is like me and he is 
severely affected and dosn't relate to anyone but his mother, not even me.
I'll add you to myspace friends.
--
Spencer

Zoo: An excellent place to study the habits of human beings.

E. Esar

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| >
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
| >
| > CONFUCIUS
|
| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...
|
| Roza,
| Artistic Autistic
|
| www.myspace.com/rozagy

http://www.myspace.com/spencerprimate

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
| >
| > CONFUCIUS
|
| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...

DEMONSTRATION IN SUPPORT OF DR ANDY WAKEFIELD

In one of the most bizarre and preposterous developments in
the long running MMR/bowel disease/Autism debate, Dr Andrew
Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
from practising medicine. It is of the utmost importance that
anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
research, joins this public protest:

WE'RE WITH WAKEFIELD DEMONSTRATION

General Medical Council
Regents Place
350 Euston Road,
LONDON NW1 3JN

Monday July 16th, from 8am

Nearest Tubes: Gt. Portland Street, Regents Park, Euston
Nearest Rail Station: Euston

Bring Flags, Banners, Placards, but most important, join us!

If Dr Wakefield is struck off the medical hierarchy will likely
refuse all future funding into the relationship between
vaccination and/or bowel disease and all neurological and
other problems in children. It is vital that this demonstration
is well attended.

PLEASE SUPPORT THIS EVENT

************************************************************
This information is available on THE ONE CLICK GROUP website
http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk
************************************************************

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:31:27 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
wrote:

>Dr Andrew
>Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
>with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
>from practising medicine. 

About time too.  Remember he failed to bother to tell anyone that he
took over £400,000 in fees from the solicitor trying to sue MMR
manufacturers before his discredited "study" and also patented the
single vaccine he was peddling after the study before that study even
started.  

>It is of the utmost importance that
>anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
>research, 

What "research"?  It was a shoddy bit of moneymaking.  Wakefield was
paid to find a certain result (which matched his beliefs anyway) and
was going to get a lot more money if he found it.  He didn't bother
telling anyone this.  He then utilised a leading PR company to help
him peddle his false message with considerable success.

Not content with poor quality research and taking money without
disclosing it, it was  Wakefield who then tried to muzzle his
opponents by suing all and sundry for libel leading the Judge in one
case to say that "the claimant wished to extract whatever advantage
he could from the existence of the proceedings while not wishing to
progress them or to give the defendants an opportunity of meeting the
claims." He also stated "It thus appears that the claimant wishes to
use the existence of the libel proceedings for public relations
purposes, and to deter other critics, while at the same time
isolating himself from the downside of such litigation, in having to
answer a substantial defence of justification."  Now wasn't it
Wakefield and his supporters alleging _he_ was being silenced when
the reverse was the truth?

In addition to the claims Wakefield made against them, one of the
defendants in one libel action went a bit further and happily
confirmed that they were accusing Wakefield not merely of peddling
false claims but of being "unremittingly evasive and dishonest in an
effort to cover up his wrong-doing."

In Jan 2007 after a court order compelling him to turn over
undisclosed documents to the defendants Wakefield abandoned all his
cases and paid the costs of the defendants.

Wakefield is a poor quality scientist in whom self-belief turned into
self-delusion. When he could not substantiate his hypotheses he found
a responsive audience among scientifically naive journalists, lawyers
and parents, who found his theories fitted their own agendas.  How
much he was motivated by simple greed will never be known, but there
is no question that he is a lot wealthier now than he would have been
if he had remained honest; which sits rather badly with his
self-indulgent posture of victimhood.


-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

"Peter Parry"  wrote in message news:
| On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:31:27 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
| >Dr Andrew
| >Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
| >with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
| >from practising medicine.
|
| About time too.  Remember he failed to bother to tell anyone that he
| took over £400,000 in fees from the solicitor trying to sue MMR
| manufacturers before his discredited "study" and also patented the
| single vaccine he was peddling after the study before that study even
| started.
|
| >It is of the utmost importance that
| >anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
| >research,
|
| What "research"?  It was a shoddy bit of moneymaking.  Wakefield was
| paid to find a certain result (which matched his beliefs anyway) and
| was going to get a lot more money if he found it.  He didn't bother
| telling anyone this.  He then utilised a leading PR company to help
| him peddle his false message with considerable success.
|
| Not content with poor quality research and taking money without
| disclosing it, it was  Wakefield who then tried to muzzle his
| opponents by suing all and sundry for libel leading the Judge in one
| case to say that "the claimant wished to extract whatever advantage
| he could from the existence of the proceedings while not wishing to
| progress them or to give the defendants an opportunity of meeting the
| claims." He also stated "It thus appears that the claimant wishes to
| use the existence of the libel proceedings for public relations
| purposes, and to deter other critics, while at the same time
| isolating himself from the downside of such litigation, in having to
| answer a substantial defence of justification."  Now wasn't it
| Wakefield and his supporters alleging _he_ was being silenced when
| the reverse was the truth?
|
| In addition to the claims Wakefield made against them, one of the
| defendants in one libel action went a bit further and happily
| confirmed that they were accusing Wakefield not merely of peddling
| false claims but of being "unremittingly evasive and dishonest in an
| effort to cover up his wrong-doing."
|
| In Jan 2007 after a court order compelling him to turn over
| undisclosed documents to the defendants Wakefield abandoned all his
| cases and paid the costs of the defendants.
|
| Wakefield is a poor quality scientist in whom self-belief turned into
| self-delusion. When he could not substantiate his hypotheses he found
| a responsive audience among scientifically naive journalists, lawyers
| and parents, who found his theories fitted their own agendas.  How
| much he was motivated by simple greed will never be known, but there
| is no question that he is a lot wealthier now than he would have been
| if he had remained honest; which sits rather badly with his
| self-indulgent posture of victimhood.

Thnx I didn't know any of that.

How do you explain the massive increase in autism spectrum dissorders?
--
Spencer

"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense"

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:06:01 -0700, Rozagy  wrote:

>> According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the figure
>> may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
>> blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.

One of the two, Fiona Scott, now denies ever saying this.  The other
one was Carol Stott who is no longer employed at the ARC and is most
famous not for her work but her abusive e-mails to Brian Deer who
exposed Wakefields malpractice.  None of the others involved in the
study agree with the hypothesis.

Stott is a long standing supporter, colleague and now employee of
Wakefield - isn't it fortuitous that this incomplete, un reviewed and
unpublished paper which no one else can read and therefore comment on
is sent to the Observer just as Wakefield faces disciplinary action? 
Together with Wakefield, Stott was employed by the claimant's
solicitors in the UK MMR Autism Litigation. She subsequently left
Cambridge and followed Wakefield to his Thoughtful House Centre for
Children in Texas where she now rejoices in the rather grand title of
"Visiting Professor of Developmental Psychology".  

Stott, an ex-associate researcher at Cambridge, was paid just over
£100,000 by the legal services commission in the failed MMR Autism UK
litigation, just over £27,000 was paid to Scott.  Scott and Stott
also jointly set up the (now apparently defunct) Cambridge
Psychometrics and Autism Practice selling autism assessment services,
psychometric assessment and "expert witness advice".
-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:10:47 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
wrote:

>
>How do you explain the massive increase in autism spectrum dissorders?

Mainly it's simply down to altered diagnostic criteria.  Most people
now diagnosed with mild ASD would not have been considered for such a
diagnosis in the past.  

The "vast increase" quoted in the Observer is probably down to the
detection criterion used in the as yet unfinished study.  The
Cambridge University Autism Research Centre have developed a
psychological test they call CAST (Child(hood) Asperger Syndrome
Test).  I suspect their results have been obtained using this test
although this is entirely a guess as the paper is (quite rightly as
it is unfinished) not available.  

If so the validity of the test must be examined in the final study as
it may be labeling many who would not previously have been considered
to be autistic even under the new diagnostic criteria as now being
so.  Whether or not this is correct is yet to be determined.
-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:25:45 +0100, Peter Parry 
wrote:

>The "vast increase" quoted in the Observer is probably down to the
>detection criterion used in the as yet unfinished study.

Apparently the quoted study is a meta study (a "study of studies")
looking at various diagnostic criteria.  They are looking at at least
three screening systems.  So far two have shown no increase in the
numbers diagnosed compared with modern standards, one, which seems to
be their own CAST test, showed the increase in "positives" quoted in
the Observer article.  The study is still unfinished.



-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
> By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
> The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high as
> previously thought.
>
> (Advertisement)
>
> A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the condition -
> compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
>
> The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
> estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or suffer
> from a related disorder.
>
> Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to be
> around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
>
> The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine rise in
> cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
>
> Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
> impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
>
> They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
> through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
> Asperger's syndrome.
>
> Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
> Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
>
> According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the figure
> may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
> blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
>
> However, five members of the research team reject that view, including team
> leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
>
> Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition of
> the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones in
> the womb were more likely to be the cause.
>
> The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
> among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 2001
> and 2004.
>
> --
> Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
>
> CONFUCIUS
>
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> 1KDownload

The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.

I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
"normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.

The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
future will be for everybody!

p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
shouldn't be at least...

Roza,
Artistic Autistic

www.myspace.com/rozagy

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.

| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...

Agreed. I am about 50% High Funcioning Asperger's myself.
My son got a double dose of of the gene as his mother is like me and he is 
severely affected and dosn't relate to anyone but his mother, not even me.
I'll add you to myspace friends.
--
Spencer

Zoo: An excellent place to study the habits of human beings.

E. Esar

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| >
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
| >
| > CONFUCIUS
|
| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...
|
| Roza,
| Artistic Autistic
|
| www.myspace.com/rozagy

http://www.myspace.com/spencerprimate

"Rozagy"  wrote in message 
news:1184065561.386247.45340@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
| On Jul 9, 5:21?am, Spencer ????  wrote:
| > By Sky News SkyNews - Sunday, July 8 09:33 am
| > The number of children in Britain with autism is almost as twice as high 
as
| > previously thought.
| > A report published in the Observer found one in 58 may have the 
condition -
| > compared to the existing estimate of one in 100.
| >
| > The figures, compiled by Cambridge University's Autism Research Centre,
| > estimates as many as 210,000 children under 16 could be autistic or 
suffer
| > from a related disorder.
| >
| > Prior to the 1990s, experts estimated the rate of autism in Britain to 
be
| > around four or five cases per 10,000 people.
| >
| > The reason for the increase is not known. It may be due to a genuine 
rise in
| > cases, or merely the result of labelling more children as autistic.
| >
| > Autism is an umbrella term for a range of developmental disorders that
| > impair a person's ability to interact socially and communicate.
| >
| > They cover a "spectrum" ranging from severe cases of "classic" autism,
| > through a variety of "pervasive developmental disorders", to much milder
| > Asperger's syndrome.
| >
| > Seven researchers, most of them from the university's Autism Research
| > Centre, studied children at local primary schools.
| >
| > According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the 
figure
| > may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
| > blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.
| >
| > However, five members of the research team reject that view, including 
team
| > leader Professor Simon Baron-Cohen.
| >
| > Prof Baron-Cohen told the paper he believed genetics, better recognition 
of
| > the condition, environmental factors and children's exposure to hormones 
in
| > the womb were more likely to be the cause.
| >
| > The team studied the incidence of autism and autistic spectrum disorders
| > among around 12,000 primary schoolchildren in Cambridgeshire between 
2001
| > and 2004.
| >
| > --
| > Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
| >
| > CONFUCIUS
|
| The real number is a lot higher than that, probably.
|
| I have Asperger's and all my family members and close friends have it.
| In fact, anyone who doesn't abuse power, doesn't lie, treats others
| with respect and is willing to learn and accept people from other
| cultures have Autism in pure form (which is what AS is). The so-called
| "normal" people tend to slow down progress by too much gossip and
| waste energy deciding who's more importnat than whom. Autistic people
| believe everyone is equal and just get on with it.
|
| The more children we'll have on the Autism spectrum - the fairer the
| future will be for everybody!
|
| p.s. And we need more people to study physics and maths - those
| epartments were closing down in British Universities because modern
| schools do not prepair for the real world with such high number of
| school-leavers struggling to read and write. In a culture where the
| majority of kids want to be TV presenters or Big Brother instant
| celebrities, getting paid for being famous and nothing else, only
| someone focused enough on what really matters can save our future.
| Basically, what I'm saying is: posing for the cameras wearing designer
| clothes (that Autistic people designed and made by the way) isn't
| going to solve world problems like poverty, hunger and child death.
| Invention and innovation may. And that's always been Autistic people's
| strength. It's not all about money and empty fame, you know.... or it
| shouldn't be at least...

DEMONSTRATION IN SUPPORT OF DR ANDY WAKEFIELD

In one of the most bizarre and preposterous developments in
the long running MMR/bowel disease/Autism debate, Dr Andrew
Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
from practising medicine. It is of the utmost importance that
anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
research, joins this public protest:

WE'RE WITH WAKEFIELD DEMONSTRATION

General Medical Council
Regents Place
350 Euston Road,
LONDON NW1 3JN

Monday July 16th, from 8am

Nearest Tubes: Gt. Portland Street, Regents Park, Euston
Nearest Rail Station: Euston

Bring Flags, Banners, Placards, but most important, join us!

If Dr Wakefield is struck off the medical hierarchy will likely
refuse all future funding into the relationship between
vaccination and/or bowel disease and all neurological and
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:31:27 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
wrote:

>Dr Andrew
>Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
>with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
>from practising medicine. 

About time too.  Remember he failed to bother to tell anyone that he
took over £400,000 in fees from the solicitor trying to sue MMR
manufacturers before his discredited "study" and also patented the
single vaccine he was peddling after the study before that study even
started.  

>It is of the utmost importance that
>anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
>research, 

What "research"?  It was a shoddy bit of moneymaking.  Wakefield was
paid to find a certain result (which matched his beliefs anyway) and
was going to get a lot more money if he found it.  He didn't bother
telling anyone this.  He then utilised a leading PR company to help
him peddle his false message with considerable success.

Not content with poor quality research and taking money without
disclosing it, it was  Wakefield who then tried to muzzle his
opponents by suing all and sundry for libel leading the Judge in one
case to say that "the claimant wished to extract whatever advantage
he could from the existence of the proceedings while not wishing to
progress them or to give the defendants an opportunity of meeting the
claims." He also stated "It thus appears that the claimant wishes to
use the existence of the libel proceedings for public relations
purposes, and to deter other critics, while at the same time
isolating himself from the downside of such litigation, in having to
answer a substantial defence of justification."  Now wasn't it
Wakefield and his supporters alleging _he_ was being silenced when
the reverse was the truth?

In addition to the claims Wakefield made against them, one of the
defendants in one libel action went a bit further and happily
confirmed that they were accusing Wakefield not merely of peddling
false claims but of being "unremittingly evasive and dishonest in an
effort to cover up his wrong-doing."

In Jan 2007 after a court order compelling him to turn over
undisclosed documents to the defendants Wakefield abandoned all his
cases and paid the costs of the defendants.

Wakefield is a poor quality scientist in whom self-belief turned into
self-delusion. When he could not substantiate his hypotheses he found
a responsive audience among scientifically naive journalists, lawyers
and parents, who found his theories fitted their own agendas.  How
much he was motivated by simple greed will never be known, but there
is no question that he is a lot wealthier now than he would have been
if he had remained honest; which sits rather badly with his
self-indulgent posture of victimhood.


-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/

"Peter Parry"  wrote in message news:
| On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:31:27 +0100, Spencer ©¿©¬ 
| >Dr Andrew
| >Wakefield is to appear before the General Medical Council, UK,
| >with the possibility that he will be 'struck off' and prevented
| >from practising medicine.
|
| About time too.  Remember he failed to bother to tell anyone that he
| took over £400,000 in fees from the solicitor trying to sue MMR
| manufacturers before his discredited "study" and also patented the
| single vaccine he was peddling after the study before that study even
| started.
|
| >It is of the utmost importance that
| >anyone who believes that Dr Wakefield was right to publish his
| >research,
|
| What "research"?  It was a shoddy bit of moneymaking.  Wakefield was
| paid to find a certain result (which matched his beliefs anyway) and
| was going to get a lot more money if he found it.  He didn't bother
| telling anyone this.  He then utilised a leading PR company to help
| him peddle his false message with considerable success.
|
| Not content with poor quality research and taking money without
| disclosing it, it was  Wakefield who then tried to muzzle his
| opponents by suing all and sundry for libel leading the Judge in one
| case to say that "the claimant wished to extract whatever advantage
| he could from the existence of the proceedings while not wishing to
| progress them or to give the defendants an opportunity of meeting the
| claims." He also stated "It thus appears that the claimant wishes to
| use the existence of the libel proceedings for public relations
| purposes, and to deter other critics, while at the same time
| isolating himself from the downside of such litigation, in having to
| answer a substantial defence of justification."  Now wasn't it
| Wakefield and his supporters alleging _he_ was being silenced when
| the reverse was the truth?
|
| In addition to the claims Wakefield made against them, one of the
| defendants in one libel action went a bit further and happily
| confirmed that they were accusing Wakefield not merely of peddling
| false claims but of being "unremittingly evasive and dishonest in an
| effort to cover up his wrong-doing."
|
| In Jan 2007 after a court order compelling him to turn over
| undisclosed documents to the defendants Wakefield abandoned all his
| cases and paid the costs of the defendants.
|
| Wakefield is a poor quality scientist in whom self-belief turned into
| self-delusion. When he could not substantiate his hypotheses he found
| a responsive audience among scientifically naive journalists, lawyers
| and parents, who found his theories fitted their own agendas.  How
| much he was motivated by simple greed will never be known, but there
| is no question that he is a lot wealthier now than he would have been
| if he had remained honest; which sits rather badly with his
| self-indulgent posture of victimhood.

Thnx I didn't know any of that.

How do you explain the massive increase in autism spectrum dissorders?
--
Spencer

"Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense"

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:06:01 -0700, Rozagy  wrote:

>> According to the Observer, two of the academics privately believe the figure
>> may be linked to the use of the controversial MMR vaccine which has been
>> blamed by some experts for children developing the condition.

One of the two, Fiona Scott, now denies ever saying this.  The other
one was Carol Stott who is no longer employed at the ARC and is most
famous not for her work but her abusive e-mails to Brian Deer who
exposed Wakefields malpractice.  None of the others involved in the
study agree with the hypothesis.

Stott is a long standing supporter, colleague and now employee of
Wakefield - isn't it fortuitous that this incomplete, un reviewed and
unpublished paper which no one else can read and therefore comment on
is sent to the Observer just as Wakefield faces disciplinary action? 
Together with Wakefield, Stott was employed by the claimant's
solicitors in the UK MMR Autism Litigation. She subsequently left
Cambridge and followed Wakefield to his Thoughtful House Centre for
Children in Texas where she now rejoices in the rather grand title of
"Visiting Professor of Developmental Psychology".  

Stott, an ex-associate researcher at Cambridge, was paid just over
£100,000 by the legal services commission in the failed MMR Autism UK
litigation, just over £27,000 was paid to Scott.  Scott and Stott
also jointly set up the (now apparently defunct) Cambridge
Psychometrics and Autism Practice selling autism assessment services,
psychometric assessment and "expert witness advice".
-- 
Peter Parry.   
http://www.wpp.ltd.uk/