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date: 26 Apr 2007 09:37:19 -0700,
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Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
anymore.
Of the next book I have decided to read is:
EON by Greg Bear
Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
date: 26 Apr 2007 09:37:19 -0700
author: ChrisC
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
ChrisC wrote:
>Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>anymore.
>
>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
>EON by Greg Bear
>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
Oh my. If you HAVEN'T read the Bester yet, set aside a day or two for it NOW.
Eon is okay-to-good. Fallen Dragon I'm fairly sure I've read, and I bought the
sequel, and I sort of like Hamilton's work, but even reading the sequel's
blurb didn't bring back much about Fallen Dragon. So start with the Bester.
Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
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date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:02:00 -0400
author: (David DeLaney)
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In article ,
ChrisC writes:
>Not bad, really like the Jubal character.
Really? I've just finished the book too (having been rather put off by
what I had read about it), thought that he was a highly annoying
opinionated windbag and know-all, and that he patronised his highly
intelligent and competent female staff dreadfully. Admittedly he seemed
to become rather less annoying as the book went on, but maybe I just
became acclimatised to him.
> Although I could not help
>feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>anymore.
I can imagine that it must have seemed revolutionary to many people when
it was first published. I supposed it was one of the first indications
of the coming changes in attitudes in the 1960s.
>
>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
>EON by Greg Bear
>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
I haven't read any of those three.
--
John Hall
"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:36:43 +0100
author: John Hall
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:02:00 -0400, dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com (David
DeLaney) wrote:
>>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
>Oh my. If you HAVEN'T read the Bester yet, set aside a day or two for it NOW.
>
>Eon is okay-to-good. Fallen Dragon I'm fairly sure I've read, and I bought the
>sequel, and I sort of like Hamilton's work, but even reading the sequel's
>blurb didn't bring back much about Fallen Dragon. So start with the Bester.
I'm wondering what is the best kind of mood to be in to best
appreciate the first time one reads it.
date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:03:47 -0600
author: Howard Brazee
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"David DeLaney" wrote in message
news:slrnf31m8t.7j4.dbd@gatekeeper.vic.com...
> ChrisC wrote:
>>Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>anymore.
>>
>>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>
>>EON by Greg Bear
>>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
> Oh my. If you HAVEN'T read the Bester yet, set aside a day or two for it
> NOW.
>
> Eon is okay-to-good. Fallen Dragon I'm fairly sure I've read, and I bought
> the
> sequel, and I sort of like Hamilton's work, but even reading the sequel's
> blurb didn't bring back much about Fallen Dragon. So start with the
> Bester.
>
There's a sequel to Fallen Dragon?
I haven't heard of one. What is it's name?
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date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:28:22 +0100
author: Beeblebear hhot the presidentfsnet.co.uk
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
ChrisC wrote:
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
Free love was not a new concept when the book was published. It had, in
fact, been around for a very, very long time.
date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:31:09 GMT
author: Dennis L. McKiernan
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On Apr 26, 12:37 pm, ChrisC wrote:
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
I like Eon, but go for the Bester first.
William Hyde
date: 26 Apr 2007 12:36:50 -0700
author: William Hyde
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:36:43 +0100, John Hall
wrote:
>In article ,
> ChrisC writes:
>>Not bad, really like the Jubal character.
>
>Really? I've just finished the book too (having been rather put off by
>what I had read about it), thought that he was a highly annoying
>opinionated windbag and know-all, and that he patronised his highly
>intelligent and competent female staff dreadfully.
You don't remember the scene where he gets too cranky with the staff
and the three ladies take him out from the dining room while he is
eating and dump him in the pool?
>Admittedly he seemed
>to become rather less annoying as the book went on, but maybe I just
>became acclimatised to him.
>
>> Although I could not help
>>feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>anymore.
>
>I can imagine that it must have seemed revolutionary to many people when
>it was first published. I supposed it was one of the first indications
>of the coming changes in attitudes in the 1960s.
>>
>>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>
>>EON by Greg Bear
>>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>
>I haven't read any of those three.
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date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:59:24 -0500
author: David Loewe, Jr.
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Beeblebear wrote:
>"David DeLaney" wrote in message
>> Eon is okay-to-good. Fallen Dragon I'm fairly sure I've read, and I bought
the
>> sequel, and I sort of like Hamilton's work, but even reading the sequel's
>> blurb didn't bring back much about Fallen Dragon. So start with the
>> Bester.
>
>There's a sequel to Fallen Dragon?
>I haven't heard of one. What is it's name?
....okay, that tells you how MUCH I didn't remember about Fallen Dragon; I was
thinking of (as examining it here in my pile of to-read proves) the sequel to
Pandora's Star (Judas Unchained). So that invalidates my original claim, yet
illustrates it at the same time...
Dave
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:09:40 -0400
author: (David DeLaney)
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On 26 Apr 2007 09:37:19 -0700, ChrisC
wrote:
>Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
>EON by Greg Bear
>Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
>Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
These are all excellent, in very different ways, but the Bester one is
a classic.
// JJ
date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:15:50 +0300
author: JJ Karhu
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In article ,
"David Loewe, Jr." writes:
>On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:36:43 +0100, John Hall
> wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>> ChrisC writes:
>>>Not bad, really like the Jubal character.
>>
>>Really? I've just finished the book too (having been rather put off by
>>what I had read about it), thought that he was a highly annoying
>>opinionated windbag and know-all, and that he patronised his highly
>>intelligent and competent female staff dreadfully.
>
>You don't remember the scene where he gets too cranky with the staff
>and the three ladies take him out from the dining room while he is
>eating and dump him in the pool?
I do. Well deserved, IMO. He did slightly redeem himself for me, though,
by his surprisingly compassionate thoughts in connection with the
sculpture of the caryatid collapsing under her load.
--
John Hall
"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:18:43 +0100
author: John Hall
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In rec.arts.sf.written ChrisC wrote:
: EON by Greg Bear
: Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
: The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
: Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
The Stars My Destination brightly outshines the rest. It has ideas so
densely packed a writer would nowadays use them for at least a trilogy of
1500 pages and fail to make it half as good.
Eon is the Bear that made me think Bear gets his ideas from one-line
synopses of Clarke's books. It's about exploring the innards of a
hollowed-out asteroid which arrives into our system. Beyond that, it's not
too much like Rendezvous with Rama, but the initial similarity was
striking and made me wonder. (It makes an interesting triad with The City
and the Stars / Strength of Stones and Childhood's End / Blood Music).
Nice. Not too impressive, but nice.
Fallen Dragon is not bad as such. It contains a few interesting characters
and several nice ideas. Unfortunately one can IMHO easily read too much
Hamilton in a row, and by the time I read it, I had. He seems to recycle
his ideas a lot. Each iteration is usually better than the last one, but
I'm tempted to think I could spare myself the effort and just read the
last book or series he will ever write.
(The exception to the rule is the miserable Pandora's Star and its sequel.
I recommed avoiding them. I may be in the minority, but I found them
simply awful. The worst part of the experience was having a terrible
feeling that they could have been very good indeed, if the future society
was designed with more effort. The best I can say about them is that I
read them cover to cover hating them all the way.)
--
Esa Perkiö
date: 26 Apr 2007 20:28:34 GMT
author: Esa Perkio
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
ChrisC wrote:
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
--
An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.
date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:54:43 -0700
author: Jon Schild
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
In alt.books.sf ChrisC wrote:
> EON by Greg Bear
If you _do_ go for this one, make sure to get Eternity too.
Although not as good as this one, it rounds of the story about
the tunnel.
Furthermore I join the rest of the comments, the Bester tale
(The Stars my Destination) really _IS_ a classic one you must have
read. The Hamilton book I don't know, but I do not expect too much
of it, at best Hamilton is an "adequate" writer, not a GREAT one.
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date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 08:52:01 +0200
author: Eef Hartman
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Apr 26, 9:37?am, ChrisC wrote:
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
Aside from the fact there is no "free love" in the book . . .
If you haven't read The Stars My Destination, you should add that one
to your repertoire posthaste, without any dis to messrs. Bear and
Hamilton.
date: 27 Apr 2007 07:54:20 -0700
author: Bill Patterson
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In article ,
chrispche@googlemail.com (ChrisC) wrote:
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
The Bester is an all-time classic, vastly superior to most of its
successors. I have sat and listened to people make a good case for it
being the best SF novel of all time; I would take it if I had only ten
books to read and re-read in the rest of my life.
Eon is not that great. It manages one spectacular piece of undercutting
the reader's beliefs about what he's reading, but it doesn't follow this
up adequately.
Fallen Dragon is in some ways the most satisfactory single volume of
Hamilton, since it's the only one in which he develops a half-decent
idea, without too many of his tics showing, and brings it to a
conclusion. It lacks the narrative drive of the Night's Dawn series, and
the twists on the here-and-now of the first two Greg Mandel novels. It's
distinctly better than Wasted T/r/e/e/s/ Youth and the Pandora's Star
series. I'd prefer to re-read it to Eon, but not by much.
--
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date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:58 +0100 (BST)
author: (John Dallman)
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"ChrisC" wrote in message
news:1177605439.019562.317960@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
Does anyone know why they don't use Tiger Tiger for a title anymore?
date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:42:41 +0100
author: wam
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:42:41 +0100, "wam" wrote:
>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>Does anyone know why they don't use Tiger Tiger for a title anymore?
What do you mean "anymore"?
It was my understanding (I could be wrong) that it was never used by
USAmerican publishers, probably because they assume we don't know
Blake. At least that wasn't as big of an insult as assuming we'd get
confused by _Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone_.
Are there current British reprints that use the American title?
date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:36:49 GMT
author: Howard Brazee
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
In article ,
Howard Brazee writes:
>On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:42:41 +0100, "wam" wrote:
>
>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>>
>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>
>>Does anyone know why they don't use Tiger Tiger for a title anymore?
>
>What do you mean "anymore"?
>
>It was my understanding (I could be wrong) that it was never used by
>USAmerican publishers, probably because they assume we don't know
>Blake. At least that wasn't as big of an insult as assuming we'd get
>confused by _Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone_.
>
>Are there current British reprints that use the American title?
Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
imports from the US.
"Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
"The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
2001, 2006, 2007.
So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
used it.
--
John Hall
"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100
author: John Hall
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100, John Hall
wrote:
>Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
>available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
>imports from the US.
>
>"Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
>
>"The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
>2001, 2006, 2007.
>
>So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
>used it.
Interesting. I suppose it is a marketing decision, possibly for
world sales, matching up with the more dominant market title.
It would be funny if they did the same thing with the dumbed down
Harry Potter title - with both a book and movie.
date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:13:42 GMT
author: Howard Brazee
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"ChrisC" wrote in message
news:1177605439.019562.317960@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a
new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
I'm overdue for another rereading.....yes.
date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:56:17 -0500
author: The Hurkle Beast
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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:13:42 GMT, Howard Brazee
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100, John Hall
> wrote:
>
>>Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
>>available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
>>imports from the US.
>>
>>"Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
>>
>>"The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
>>2001, 2006, 2007.
>>
>>So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
>>used it.
>
>Interesting. I suppose it is a marketing decision, possibly for
>world sales, matching up with the more dominant market title.
>
>It would be funny if they did the same thing with the dumbed down
>Harry Potter title - with both a book and movie.
Harry Potter and the Room of Secrets?
And, for the American market, The Lion, the Witch and the Closet.
date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:51:41 +0100
author: Mike Hubbard
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Mike Hubbard wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:13:42 GMT, Howard Brazee
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100, John Hall
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
>>> available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
>>> imports from the US.
>>>
>>> "Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
>>>
>>> "The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
>>> 2001, 2006, 2007.
>>>
>>> So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
>>> used it.
>> Interesting. I suppose it is a marketing decision, possibly for
>> world sales, matching up with the more dominant market title.
>>
>> It would be funny if they did the same thing with the dumbed down
>> Harry Potter title - with both a book and movie.
>
> Harry Potter and the Room of Secrets?
>
> And, for the American market, The Lion, the Witch and the Closet.
"Perelandra" was retitled "Voyage to Venus" for UK paperback only.
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of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts"
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date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:06:49 -0400
author: John W. Kennedy
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In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
writes
>
>ChrisC wrote:
>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>> anymore.
>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>> EON by Greg Bear
>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>
>The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>
>
Seconded.
--
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Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
Death's my destination
date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100
author: Omega
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
wrote:
>In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
> writes
>>
>>ChrisC wrote:
>>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>> anymore.
>>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>> EON by Greg Bear
>>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>
>>
>>The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>
>>
>Seconded.
Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
Don
date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:36:57 -0700
author: Don Tuite
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Apr 26, 5:37 pm, ChrisC wrote:
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
"The stars my destination", no doubt about it. Anyone but me had an
impression, that original title "Tiger! Tiger!" suits it better?
BS
date: 3 May 2007 08:44:40 -0700
author: Fapuse
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
Don Tuite wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
> wrote:
>
>> In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
>> writes
>>> ChrisC wrote:
>>>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>>> anymore.
>>>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>>> EON by Greg Bear
>>>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>>
>>> The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>>
>>>
>> Seconded.
>
> Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
But don't forget "The Count of Monte Cristo".
--
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"Give up vows and dogmas, and fixed things, and you may grow like That.
....you may come to think a blow bad, because it hurts, and not because
it humiliates. You may come to think murder wrong, because it is
violent, and not because it is unjust."
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date: Thu, 03 May 2007 16:30:54 -0400
author: John W. Kennedy
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"John W. Kennedy" wrote in message
news:bEr_h.46$jn3.29@newsfe12.lga...
> Don Tuite wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
>>> writes
>>>> The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Seconded.
>>
>> Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
>
> But don't forget "The Count of Monte Cristo".
Tourist: My name is Smoke-too-much
Bounder: Well you'd better cut down a little then
Tourist: What?
Bounder: You'd better cut down a little then
Tourist: Oh I see! Cut down a little then.....
Bounder: Yes...I expect you get people making jokes about your name all the
time?
Tourist: No, no actually it never struck me before.
Smoke...to...much....(laughs)
date: Thu, 03 May 2007 22:37:10 GMT
author: Mike Schilling
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
"ChrisC" wrote in message
news:1177605439.019562.317960@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>
Does anyone know why they don't use Tiger Tiger for a title anymore?
date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:42:41 +0100
author: wam
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:42:41 +0100, "wam" wrote:
>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>
>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>Does anyone know why they don't use Tiger Tiger for a title anymore?
What do you mean "anymore"?
It was my understanding (I could be wrong) that it was never used by
USAmerican publishers, probably because they assume we don't know
Blake. At least that wasn't as big of an insult as assuming we'd get
confused by _Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone_.
Are there current British reprints that use the American title?
date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:36:49 GMT
author: Howard Brazee
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
In article ,
Howard Brazee writes:
>On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:42:41 +0100, "wam" wrote:
>
>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>>
>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>
>>Does anyone know why they don't use Tiger Tiger for a title anymore?
>
>What do you mean "anymore"?
>
>It was my understanding (I could be wrong) that it was never used by
>USAmerican publishers, probably because they assume we don't know
>Blake. At least that wasn't as big of an insult as assuming we'd get
>confused by _Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone_.
>
>Are there current British reprints that use the American title?
Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
imports from the US.
"Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
"The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
2001, 2006, 2007.
So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
used it.
--
John Hall
"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100
author: John Hall
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100, John Hall
wrote:
>Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
>available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
>imports from the US.
>
>"Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
>
>"The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
>2001, 2006, 2007.
>
>So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
>used it.
Interesting. I suppose it is a marketing decision, possibly for
world sales, matching up with the more dominant market title.
It would be funny if they did the same thing with the dumbed down
Harry Potter title - with both a book and movie.
date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:13:42 GMT
author: Howard Brazee
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
"ChrisC" wrote in message
news:1177605439.019562.317960@t38g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a
new
> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
> anymore.
>
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
I'm overdue for another rereading.....yes.
date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 12:56:17 -0500
author: The Hurkle Beast
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:13:42 GMT, Howard Brazee
wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100, John Hall
> wrote:
>
>>Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
>>available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
>>imports from the US.
>>
>>"Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
>>
>>"The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
>>2001, 2006, 2007.
>>
>>So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
>>used it.
>
>Interesting. I suppose it is a marketing decision, possibly for
>world sales, matching up with the more dominant market title.
>
>It would be funny if they did the same thing with the dumbed down
>Harry Potter title - with both a book and movie.
Harry Potter and the Room of Secrets?
And, for the American market, The Lion, the Witch and the Closet.
date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:51:41 +0100
author: Mike Hubbard
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
Mike Hubbard wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:13:42 GMT, Howard Brazee
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100, John Hall
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
>>> available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
>>> imports from the US.
>>>
>>> "Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
>>>
>>> "The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
>>> 2001, 2006, 2007.
>>>
>>> So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
>>> used it.
>> Interesting. I suppose it is a marketing decision, possibly for
>> world sales, matching up with the more dominant market title.
>>
>> It would be funny if they did the same thing with the dumbed down
>> Harry Potter title - with both a book and movie.
>
> Harry Potter and the Room of Secrets?
>
> And, for the American market, The Lion, the Witch and the Closet.
"Perelandra" was retitled "Voyage to Venus" for UK paperback only.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne
of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts"
-- J. Michael Straczynski. "Babylon 5", "Ceremonies of Light and Dark"
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date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:06:49 -0400
author: John W. Kennedy
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
writes
>
>ChrisC wrote:
>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>> anymore.
>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>> EON by Greg Bear
>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>
>The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>
>
Seconded.
--
Omega
Gully Foyle is my name
Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
Death's my destination
date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100
author: Omega
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
wrote:
>In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
> writes
>>
>>ChrisC wrote:
>>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>> anymore.
>>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>> EON by Greg Bear
>>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>
>>
>>The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>
>>
>Seconded.
Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
Don
date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:36:57 -0700
author: Don Tuite
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Apr 26, 5:37 pm, ChrisC wrote:
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
"The stars my destination", no doubt about it. Anyone but me had an
impression, that original title "Tiger! Tiger!" suits it better?
BS
date: 3 May 2007 08:44:40 -0700
author: Fapuse
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
Don Tuite wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
> wrote:
>
>> In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
>> writes
>>> ChrisC wrote:
>>>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>>> anymore.
>>>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>>> EON by Greg Bear
>>>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>>
>>> The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>>
>>>
>> Seconded.
>
> Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
But don't forget "The Count of Monte Cristo".
--
John W. Kennedy
"Give up vows and dogmas, and fixed things, and you may grow like That.
....you may come to think a blow bad, because it hurts, and not because
it humiliates. You may come to think murder wrong, because it is
violent, and not because it is unjust."
-- G. K. Chesterton. "The Ball and the Cross"
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date: Thu, 03 May 2007 16:30:54 -0400
author: John W. Kennedy
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
"John W. Kennedy" wrote in message
news:bEr_h.46$jn3.29@newsfe12.lga...
> Don Tuite wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
>>> writes
>>>> The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Seconded.
>>
>> Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
>
> But don't forget "The Count of Monte Cristo".
Tourist: My name is Smoke-too-much
Bounder: Well you'd better cut down a little then
Tourist: What?
Bounder: You'd better cut down a little then
Tourist: Oh I see! Cut down a little then.....
Bounder: Yes...I expect you get people making jokes about your name all the
time?
Tourist: No, no actually it never struck me before.
Smoke...to...much....(laughs)
date: Thu, 03 May 2007 22:37:10 GMT
author: Mike Schilling
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
Mike Hubbard wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:13:42 GMT, Howard Brazee
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 14:49:19 +0100, John Hall
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. A search on www.amazon.co.uk yielded the following editions
>>> available, new or second-hand. I didn't check which, if any, were
>>> imports from the US.
>>>
>>> "Tiger, Tiger": 1956, 1974, 1984, 1987, 1991.
>>>
>>> "The Stars My Destination": 1959, 1975, 1977, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1999,
>>> 2001, 2006, 2007.
>>>
>>> So the US title is more common, and all the more recent editions have
>>> used it.
>> Interesting. I suppose it is a marketing decision, possibly for
>> world sales, matching up with the more dominant market title.
>>
>> It would be funny if they did the same thing with the dumbed down
>> Harry Potter title - with both a book and movie.
>
> Harry Potter and the Room of Secrets?
>
> And, for the American market, The Lion, the Witch and the Closet.
"Perelandra" was retitled "Voyage to Venus" for UK paperback only.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to the throne
of the kingdom of idiots would fight a war on twelve fronts"
-- J. Michael Straczynski. "Babylon 5", "Ceremonies of Light and Dark"
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date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:06:49 -0400
author: John W. Kennedy
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Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
writes
>
>ChrisC wrote:
>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>> anymore.
>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>> EON by Greg Bear
>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>
>
>The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>
>
Seconded.
--
Omega
Gully Foyle is my name
Terra is my nation
Deep space is my dwelling place
Death's my destination
date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100
author: Omega
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
wrote:
>In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
> writes
>>
>>ChrisC wrote:
>>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>> anymore.
>>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>> EON by Greg Bear
>>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>
>>
>>The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>
>>
>Seconded.
Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
Don
date: Thu, 03 May 2007 08:36:57 -0700
author: Don Tuite
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
On Apr 26, 5:37 pm, ChrisC wrote:
> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>
> EON by Greg Bear
> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>
> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
"The stars my destination", no doubt about it. Anyone but me had an
impression, that original title "Tiger! Tiger!" suits it better?
BS
date: 3 May 2007 08:44:40 -0700
author: Fapuse
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
Don Tuite wrote:
> On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
> wrote:
>
>> In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
>> writes
>>> ChrisC wrote:
>>>> Not bad, really like the Jubal character. Although I could not help
>>>> feel that the book was out of date. Like how free love was such a new
>>>> thing when this was published. Free love is not really a new concept
>>>> anymore.
>>>> Of the next book I have decided to read is:
>>>> EON by Greg Bear
>>>> Fallen Dragon by Peter F. Hamilton
>>>> The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
>>>> Which would you go for? I'm thinking the last one.
>>>>
>>> The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>>
>>>
>> Seconded.
>
> Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
But don't forget "The Count of Monte Cristo".
--
John W. Kennedy
"Give up vows and dogmas, and fixed things, and you may grow like That.
....you may come to think a blow bad, because it hurts, and not because
it humiliates. You may come to think murder wrong, because it is
violent, and not because it is unjust."
-- G. K. Chesterton. "The Ball and the Cross"
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date: Thu, 03 May 2007 16:30:54 -0400
author: John W. Kennedy
|
Re: Finished Stranger in a Strange Land
"John W. Kennedy" wrote in message
news:bEr_h.46$jn3.29@newsfe12.lga...
> Don Tuite wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:39 +0100, Omega
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In message <f0r724$m9r$1@news.xmission.com>, Jon Schild
>>> writes
>>>> The Stars My Destination, absolutely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Seconded.
>>
>> Note the influence of _Tristram Shandy_
>
> But don't forget "The Count of Monte Cristo".
Tourist: My name is Smoke-too-much
Bounder: Well you'd better cut down a little then
Tourist: What?
Bounder: You'd better cut down a little then
Tourist: Oh I see! Cut down a little then.....
Bounder: Yes...I expect you get people making jokes about your name all the
time?
Tourist: No, no actually it never struck me before.
Smoke...to...much....(laughs)
date: Thu, 03 May 2007 22:37:10 GMT
author: Mike Schilling
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