"Many viral infectious diseases have been cured  and can continue to be 
cured by the proper administration of Vitamin C.  Yes, the vaccinations for 
these treatable infectious diseases are completely unecessary when one has 
the access to proper treatemnt with vitamin C.  And, yes, all the side 
effects of vaccinations...are also completely unecessary since the 
vaccinations do not have to be given in the first place with the availablity 
of properly dosed vitamin C."---Dr Thomas Levy M.D., J.D. (Vitamin C, 
Infectious Diseases and Toxins p30)

"Acute viral hepatitis...is easily and completely curable with treated 
promptly with adequate doses of vitamin C ...some evidence  indicates that a 
high dose of vitamin C for a long enough period of time would probably 
resolve (chronic hepatitis) as well in many of the cases.......A significant 
benefit of properly dosed vitamin C would be the elimination of any need or 
reason to vaccinate people against hepatitis."---Dr Thomas Levy M.D., J.D. 
(Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins pgs 60, 66) 
http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html

I cannot believe anyone would say such garbage in a public forum.

Robert

"john"  wrote in message 
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> "Many viral infectious diseases have been cured  and can continue to be 
> cured by the proper administration of Vitamin C.

Most virus infections resolve themselves, including the "acute hepatitis" 
mentioned here. .  Even with smallpox eighty per cent of sufferers 
recovered.   So what is needed in this matter is not opinion and 
unsubstantiated assertions,  but prospective, randomised, controlled data. 
Vitamin C was not even found very effective for the common cold in such 
studies, so it is extremely foolish and irresponsible to claim that it is a 
substitute for vaccination in other viral infections.

Peter Moran

>Yes, the vaccinations for these treatable infectious diseases are 
>completely unecessary when one has the access to proper treatemnt with 
>vitamin C.  And, yes, all the side effects of vaccinations...are also 
>completely unecessary since the vaccinations do not have to be given in the 
>first place with the availablity of properly dosed vitamin C."---Dr Thomas 
>Levy M.D., J.D. (Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins p30)
>
> "Acute viral hepatitis...is easily and completely curable with treated 
> promptly with adequate doses of vitamin C ...some evidence  indicates that 
> a high dose of vitamin C for a long enough period of time would probably 
> resolve (chronic hepatitis) as well in many of the cases.......A 
> significant benefit of properly dosed vitamin C would be the elimination 
> of any need or reason to vaccinate people against hepatitis."---Dr Thomas 
> Levy M.D., J.D. (Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins pgs 60, 66) 
> http://www.whale.to/a/levy_h.html
>

"Peter Moran" <pmoranATbordernet.com.au> wrote in message 
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> Most virus infections resolve themselves, including the "acute hepatitis" 
> mentioned here. .  Even with smallpox eighty per cent of sufferers 
> recovered.

Death rate 20% with vaccination, 1-5% under sanitation, 0% under homeopathy 
or naturopathy http://www.whale.to/a/case.html


  >So what is needed in this matter is not opinion and
> unsubstantiated assertions,  but prospective, randomised, controlled data. 
> Vitamin C was not even found very effective for the common cold in such 
> studies, so it is extremely foolish and irresponsible to claim that it is 
> a substitute for vaccination in other viral infections.

You pharma salesmen, it is good we have MDs who follow their heart 
http://www.whale.to/a/doctors_nutr.html

"Two alleged trials took place under the direction of Dr. Charles Moertel at 
the Mayo Clinic. However as one might expect from a proven swindler 
operating at such a dishonoured location, these bore little resemblence to 
scientific methodology.    Moertel cooked the first trial.by packing the 
trial with patients whose immune systems had already been destroyed by toxic 
chemotherapy. He then rigged the second trial by treating the patients with 
ascorbate for only two and a half months and then continuing with the 
"trial" for another 2 years. He then issued a perjured press statement in 
which he announced that vitamin C therapy had been proven ineffective, 
carefully concealing the fact that he had almost certainly caused the death 
of several patients by reason of this iniquitous fraud. The resulting 
carefully devised publicity on the subject also caused the deaths of several 
other patients who had been happily surviving on ascorbate."---Dr Richards & 
Frank Hourigan.

"Robert"  wrote in message 
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>I cannot believe anyone would say such garbage in a public forum.
>

You must be an allopath.

"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie 
was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to 
the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and 
its speaker, a raving lunatic. --Dresden James

"For every drug that benefits a patient, there is a natural substance that 
can achieve the same effect." - Pfeiffer's Law

a.. Vaccines aren't safe and are far more dangerous than the diseases.
a.. They don't "protect" as advertised, and interfere with the immune system 
to our detriment.
a.. Vaccination never eliminated any diseases such as smallpox & polio.
a.. The statistics show vaccination never reduced or eliminated any death 
rate, eg measles deaths had declined 99.4% before vaccination.
a.. Childhood diseases such as mumps, measles and chickenpox are necessary 
processes of the immune system.
a.. The dangers of all the diseases have been hyped to sell vaccination, and 
fearmongering has become a science to more effectively sell vaccines and 
other drugs.
a.. The diseases are safe in healthy well fed children under proper 
supervision.

"john"  wrote in message
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>
> "Robert"  wrote in message
> news:GPudnaPDNb2FVVfeRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
> >I cannot believe anyone would say such garbage in a public forum.
> >
>
> You must be an allopath.
>
> "A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the
lie
> was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to
> the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and
> its speaker, a raving lunatic. --Dresden James
>
> "For every drug that benefits a patient, there is a natural substance that
> can achieve the same effect." - Pfeiffer's Law
>
> a.. Vaccines aren't safe and are far more dangerous than the diseases.
> a.. They don't "protect" as advertised, and interfere with the immune
system
> to our detriment.
> a.. Vaccination never eliminated any diseases such as smallpox & polio.
> a.. The statistics show vaccination never reduced or eliminated any death
> rate, eg measles deaths had declined 99.4% before vaccination.
> a.. Childhood diseases such as mumps, measles and chickenpox are necessary
> processes of the immune system.
> a.. The dangers of all the diseases have been hyped to sell vaccination,
and
> fearmongering has become a science to more effectively sell vaccines and
> other drugs.
> a.. The diseases are safe in healthy well fed children under proper
> supervision.

I hope you don't have any kids, and if you do, I hope you don't live
anywhere near me. Do you also believe in Astrology and that the earth is
flat?

Robert

"john"  wrote in message
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>
> "Robert"  wrote in message
> news:GPudnaPDNb2FVVfeRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
> >I cannot believe anyone would say such garbage in a public forum.
> >
>
> You must be an allopath.

Robert is a curiosity.
Sometimes I think he's interested in alternative health, but he always seems
to side with the allopaths. I don't know if he's incredibly niave, or just
brain washed through years of study, but he never seems to do any actual
thinking for some reason or other. Maybe he's studying or working hard and
hasn't got time to think, and just reacts off the top of his head.

>
> "A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the
lie
> was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to
> the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and
> its speaker, a raving lunatic. --Dresden James
>
> "For every drug that benefits a patient, there is a natural substance that
> can achieve the same effect." - Pfeiffer's Law

You've done a lot of research of vaccinations.

Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net

>
> a.. Vaccines aren't safe and are far more dangerous than the diseases.
> a.. They don't "protect" as advertised, and interfere with the immune
system
> to our detriment.
> a.. Vaccination never eliminated any diseases such as smallpox & polio.
> a.. The statistics show vaccination never reduced or eliminated any death
> rate, eg measles deaths had declined 99.4% before vaccination.
> a.. Childhood diseases such as mumps, measles and chickenpox are necessary
> processes of the immune system.
> a.. The dangers of all the diseases have been hyped to sell vaccination,
and
> fearmongering has become a science to more effectively sell vaccines and
> other drugs.
> a.. The diseases are safe in healthy well fed children under proper
> supervision.
>
>

In article <dqfjlu$lkj$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
john  wrote:
>
>"Robert"  wrote in message 
>news:GPudnaPDNb2FVVfeRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>>I cannot believe anyone would say such garbage in a public forum.
>
>You must be an allopath.
>
>"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie 
>was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to 
>the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and 
>its speaker, a raving lunatic. --Dresden James

This never talks about what happens when well-packaged lies are, in
fact, being presented to the public from the get-go.  The anti-vaxers
are a fine example.

>"For every drug that benefits a patient, there is a natural substance that 
>can achieve the same effect." - Pfeiffer's Law

That's not a law.  It's wishful thinking.

>a.. Vaccines aren't safe and are far more dangerous than the diseases.

Totally false, especially when you consider how dangerous some of the
diseases are (for example, diphtheria).

>a.. They don't "protect" as advertised, and interfere with the immune
>system to our detriment.

Nonsense.  Their effectiveness is well-documented, and they simply
kick the immune system into gear in a controlled way.

>a.. Vaccination never eliminated any diseases such as smallpox & polio.

They helped to eliminate smallpox and may well eliminate polio unless
anti-vax idiots like John-boy manage to prevent their use.

>a.. The statistics show vaccination never reduced or eliminated any death 
>rate, eg measles deaths had declined 99.4% before vaccination.

But hadn't disappeared.  Now measles is almost nonexistent in many
countries, so the deaths have dropped still further.  And the the
sequelae from measles, like permanent brain damage, have dropped as
well. 

>a.. Childhood diseases such as mumps, measles and chickenpox are necessary 
>processes of the immune system.

Hogwash.  If that were true, people who lived in parts of the world
where none of those diseases were present would have died off.

>a.. The dangers of all the diseases have been hyped to sell vaccination, and 
>fearmongering has become a science to more effectively sell vaccines and 
>other drugs.

The dangers of the diseases are real enough, and only morons think
otherwise. 

>a.. The diseases are safe in healthy well fed children under proper 
>supervision.

Except when they aren't.  And what about people who never got them as
children? 

  -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net 
     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
     "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                 -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

"Carole"  wrote in message 
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>

> Robert is a curiosity.
> Sometimes I think he's interested in alternative health, but he always 
> seems
> to side with the allopaths. I don't know if he's incredibly niave, or just
> brain washed through years of study, but he never seems to do any actual
> thinking for some reason or other. Maybe he's studying or working hard and
> hasn't got time to think, and just reacts off the top of his head.
>

Brainwashed by a medical seminary by the sound of it, they forbid thinking, 
as that would unravel allopathy.  You have to take your hat off to their 
brainwashing skills.


> You've done a lot of research of vaccinations.

Just a little.  I think you were the one with that MMR antibiotic info.

john

"Robert"  wrote in message 
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>
> I hope you don't have any kids, and if you do, I hope you don't live
> anywhere near me. Do you also believe in Astrology and that the earth is
> flat?


Sounds like you don't have any kids. I have 7 to think about.

I spent a year or so looking into Astrology.  I can bet you haven't spent 1 
second, like you haven't spent 1 second thinking about vaccination.

john

john wrote:
> "Robert"  wrote in message 
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> 
> 
>>I hope you don't have any kids, and if you do, I hope you don't live
>>anywhere near me. Do you also believe in Astrology and that the earth is
>>flat?
> 
> 
> 
> Sounds like you don't have any kids. I have 7 to think about.
> 
> I spent a year or so looking into Astrology. 

Are you admitting you're such a dimwit that it took you about a year to 
figure out is total humbug?

> I can bet you haven't spent 1 
> second, like you haven't spent 1 second thinking about vaccination.
> 
> john 
> 
>

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
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> Are you admitting you're such a dimwit that it took you about a year to 
> figure out is total humbug?


No, I figured out it, Vedic astrology, was true.  Like all people who think 
it is bunk, they haven't looked into it.

As a vedic astrologer said, you only have to look into the natal chart of 
those people to see the conditions necessay for such an absurd state of 
mind!

Which is true, just chart up atheists, etc and you will see they will be 
that in their chart, which suggests god has a sense of humour.

john

"Robert"  wrote in message 
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>I cannot believe anyone would say such garbage in a public forum.

I do. Look at the garbage on the whale to site. The idiot who does the site 
clearly has no idea what an idiot she is.

jeff

> Robert
>
>
>

"john"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Robert"  wrote in message 
> news:GPudnaPDNb2FVVfeRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>>I cannot believe anyone would say such garbage in a public forum.
>>
>
> You must be an allopath.

No, he is a person who is able to think for himself.

Jeff

"john"  wrote in message
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>
> "Robert"  wrote in message
> news:oYmdnRARBPsVr1HeRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>
> >
> > I hope you don't have any kids, and if you do, I hope you don't live
> > anywhere near me. Do you also believe in Astrology and that the earth is
> > flat?
>
>
> Sounds like you don't have any kids. I have 7 to think about.
>
> I spent a year or so looking into Astrology.  I can bet you haven't spent
1
> second, like you haven't spent 1 second thinking about vaccination.
>
> john
>
I feel sorry for your kids. How much do you want to bet? Why did it take a
whole year to prove that Astrology is fake?

Robert

In article <dqif2g$4b9$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
john  wrote:
>
>"Robert"  wrote in message 
>news:oYmdnRARBPsVr1HeRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>
>>
>> I hope you don't have any kids, and if you do, I hope you don't live
>> anywhere near me. Do you also believe in Astrology and that the earth is
>> flat?
>
>Sounds like you don't have any kids. I have 7 to think about.

A terrifying thought, that someone like you is allowed to reproduce.

  -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net 
     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
     "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                 -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

john wrote:

> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
> news:43ccd1b7$0$12850$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> 
> 
>>Are you admitting you're such a dimwit that it took you about a year to 
>>figure out is total humbug?
> 
> 
> 
> No, I figured out it, Vedic astrology, was true.  Like all people who think 
> it is bunk, they haven't looked into it.
> 
> As a vedic astrologer said, you only have to look into the natal chart of 
> those people to see the conditions necessay for such an absurd state of 
> mind!
> 
> Which is true, just chart up atheists, etc and you will see they will be 
> that in their chart, which suggests god has a sense of humour.
> 
> john 


And which god would that be? A vedic god? And have you ever let your 
vedic astrologer draw up a chart of an atheist, without telling him it's 
for an atheist of course. I happen to know a guy who'll bet you a milion 
dollars that your vedic astrologer can't do it.

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
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> And which god would that be? A vedic god? And have you ever let your vedic 
> astrologer draw up a chart of an atheist, without telling him it's for an 
> atheist of course. I happen to know a guy who'll bet you a milion dollars 
> that your vedic astrologer can't do it.

Oh yeah, Randi no doubt.  I have better things to do

There is only one god for all intents, Creator.

"Jeff"  wrote in message 
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> No, he is a person who is able to think for himself.
>
> Jeff

Unlike you!!

"It is the great commercial manufacturing firms who are providing the brains 
for the medical man of to-day."---Dr Hadwen 1925

"Jeff"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Robert"  wrote in message 
> news:GPudnaPDNb2FVVfeRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>>I cannot believe anyone would say such garbage in a public forum.
>
> I do. Look at the garbage on the whale to site. The idiot who does the 
> site clearly has no idea what an idiot she is.

I am a man Jeff, John is usually a man's name, and you have known that for 
10 years at least.  You haven't read anything there, so don't try that load 
of old flam.  Shills like you can't read, you only get the programming sent 
down the wire from pharma central

john wrote:
> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
> news:43cdf51f$0$12837$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> 
> 
>>And which god would that be? A vedic god? And have you ever let your vedic 
>>astrologer draw up a chart of an atheist, without telling him it's for an 
>>atheist of course. I happen to know a guy who'll bet you a milion dollars 
>>that your vedic astrologer can't do it.
> 
> 
> Oh yeah, Randi no doubt.  I have better things to do

Oh c'mon. It doesn't take more than 2 minutes to call the astrologer, 
give him Randi's birthdate (or Richard Dawkins's) and let him make the 
chart. And who cares what he charges, it'll win you a cool million!

> There is only one god for all intents, Creator. 

Yeah, but which one? There are loads of gods who are also the Creator.

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
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> Oh c'mon. It doesn't take more than 2 minutes to call the astrologer, give 
> him Randi's birthdate (or Richard Dawkins's) and let him make the chart. 
> And who cares what he charges, it'll win you a cool million!

I'd love Dawkins chart, see if you can get it.  I bet you can't find his 
(Dawkins) birthdate in 2 minutes, or Randi for that matter.

I have done my research to find out if it is true or not.  If you want me to 
spend time convincing you then you'll have to pay me.

>
>> There is only one god for all intents, Creator.
>
> Yeah, but which one? There are loads of gods who are also the Creator.

Nonsense, only one god who Created this reality, 'he' created various lesser 
gods like the ones associated with the various Chakras, eg Ganesha for the 
base chakra.

I don't consider gods who can't create gods, but it depends on how you 
define god.

john

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>
> "john"  wrote in message
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>>
>> "Robert"  wrote in message
>> news:oYmdnRARBPsVr1HeRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
>>
>> >
>> > I hope you don't have any kids, and if you do, I hope you don't live
>> > anywhere near me. Do you also believe in Astrology and that the earth 
>> > is
>> > flat?
>>
>>
>> Sounds like you don't have any kids. I have 7 to think about.
>>
>> I spent a year or so looking into Astrology.  I can bet you haven't spent
> 1
>> second, like you haven't spent 1 second thinking about vaccination.
>>
>> john
>>
> I feel sorry for your kids. How much do you want to bet? Why did it take a
> whole year to prove that Astrology is fake?
>
> Robert
>
>

Sounds like you don't have any kids.

john wrote:

> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
> news:43ce0d4e$0$12835$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> 
> 
>>Oh c'mon. It doesn't take more than 2 minutes to call the astrologer, give 
>>him Randi's birthdate (or Richard Dawkins's) and let him make the chart. 
>>And who cares what he charges, it'll win you a cool million!
> 
> I'd love Dawkins chart, see if you can get it.  I bet you can't find his 
> (Dawkins) birthdate in 2 minutes, or Randi for that matter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi
not more then 10 seconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
and another 10 seconds.

And I was referring to the time it would take to order your vedic 
astrologer to make charts for these 2 dates. Dial, say hi, say 'I want 2 
charts, for birthdays A and B, send me the bill later', say byebye.

> I have done my research to find out if it is true or not.  If you want me to 
> spend time convincing you then you'll have to pay me.

Only if I get a refund and payment for *my* time if you can't do it.

>>>There is only one god for all intents, Creator.
>>
>>Yeah, but which one? There are loads of gods who are also the Creator.
> 
> Nonsense, only one god who Created this reality, 'he' created various lesser 
> gods like the ones associated with the various Chakras, eg Ganesha for the 
> base chakra.
> 
> I don't consider gods who can't create gods, but it depends on how you 
> define god.
> 
> john 

Again, which god would that be? Just check this place:
http://community-2.webtv.net/magentashadow/GOMC/

There is a lot of them, and also a lot of them are claimed to be THE 
creator.

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
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>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
> and another 10 seconds.

We need time and place also.

>
> And I was referring to the time it would take to order your vedic 
> astrologer to make charts for these 2 dates. Dial, say hi, say 'I want 2 
> charts, for birthdays A and B, send me the bill later', say byebye.

That is usually £80.  If you can find the proper birth details, 
day/time/place, then you may have done something useful.

john

john wrote:

> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
> news:43ce16e5$0$12845$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> 
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins
>>and another 10 seconds.
> 
> 
> We need time and place also.
> 
> 
>>And I was referring to the time it would take to order your vedic 
>>astrologer to make charts for these 2 dates. Dial, say hi, say 'I want 2 
>>charts, for birthdays A and B, send me the bill later', say byebye.
> 
> 
> That is usually £80.  If you can find the proper birth details, 
> day/time/place, then you may have done something useful.
> 
> john

Wow, an investment of £80 to make one million US dollars. That's what I 
call more bang for the quid! What's stopping you? Fire off an email to 
Randi to get his proper birth details and go for it! I know he's got 
them readily available for the likes of people like yoiu. You've got 
time enough to post to usenet for free, so an email that'll get you a 
whole heap of dead presidents should be no problem timewise.

But let me guess, you can't be bothered to do all that work for a mere 
million dollars since you have better things to do. The conclusion is 
obvious: you know it's crap, but some psychological malfunction makes 
you unable to accept that. No news here.

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>
> "john"  wrote in message
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>>
>> "Robert"  wrote in message
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>>
>> >
>> > I hope you don't have any kids, and if you do, I hope you don't live
>> > anywhere near me. Do you also believe in Astrology and that the earth 
>> > is
>> > flat?
>>
>>
>> Sounds like you don't have any kids. I have 7 to think about.
>>
>> I spent a year or so looking into Astrology.  I can bet you haven't spent
> 1
>> second, like you haven't spent 1 second thinking about vaccination.
>>
>> john
>>
> I feel sorry for your kids. How much do you want to bet? Why did it take a
> whole year to prove that Astrology is fake?
>
> Robert
>
>

Sounds like you don't have any kids

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
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> john wrote:

>
> Wow, an investment of £80 to make one million US dollars. That's what I 
> call more bang for the quid! What's stopping you? Fire off an email to 
> Randi to get his proper birth details and go for it! I know he's got them 
> readily available for the likes of people like yoiu. You've got time 
> enough to post to usenet for free, so an email that'll get you a whole 
> heap of dead presidents should be no problem timewise.
>
> But let me guess, you can't be bothered to do all that work for a mere 
> million dollars since you have better things to do. The conclusion is 
> obvious: you know it's crap, but some psychological malfunction makes you 
> unable to accept that. No news here.

get me the birth details

remember you said 2 minutes, that is a day or so now

john wrote:

> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
> news:43ce3ffb$0$12845$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> 
>>john wrote:
> 
> 
>>Wow, an investment of £80 to make one million US dollars. That's what I 
>>call more bang for the quid! What's stopping you? Fire off an email to 
>>Randi to get his proper birth details and go for it! I know he's got them 
>>readily available for the likes of people like yoiu. You've got time 
>>enough to post to usenet for free, so an email that'll get you a whole 
>>heap of dead presidents should be no problem timewise.
>>
>>But let me guess, you can't be bothered to do all that work for a mere 
>>million dollars since you have better things to do. The conclusion is 
>>obvious: you know it's crap, but some psychological malfunction makes you 
>>unable to accept that. No news here.
> 
> 
> get me the birth details
> 
> remember you said 2 minutes, that is a day or so now 

Learn to read for comprehension:
I said it would take you 2 minutes to call your astrologer, give him the 
info and tell him to make the chart.

And I am not going to bother to get Randi's birth details, because I 
know astrology, vedic or other, is total humbug. You on the other hand 
are certain that it works, which means you could get yourself a million 
bucks by a few minutes of work. But like most people making those 
claims, you dance around the subject, you wiggle, squirm, come up with 
lame excuses, obfuscate etc. Put up or shut up john. Send an email to 
Randi or Kramer at randi@randi.org or kramer@randi.org, get the info and 
see if your astrologer gets it right. Your astrologer can't do it and 
you know it, don't you? Am I right or am I right?

BTW, I know for a fact that Randi also has the birth details handy of 
several convicted serial killers. You could ask for those and see if 
your astrologer gets those right. FYI, many have tried and guess what? 
They all failed! All of them! Now, what does that tell you?

Also, I'm quitting on this subject. I don't mind some deviation from the 
subject of a newsgroup, but I think this has gone far enough. You simply 
do not want to confront your delusions but that was clear from the 
start. Lets try and keep ourselves to discussing your alt-med delusions 
from now on shall we? And please note: this does by no way mean I'm 
running away from discussing Randi and vedic astrology. I simply feel 
this foray into this totally unrelated topic has gone on long enough.

john wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you don't have any kids. 

I've had five, one of whom died of pneumococcal meningitis the year 
before Prevnar was released, and two of whom have RAD.  We vaccinate, on 
schedule, and get yearly flu shots.

One small grave is more than enough.

Michelle
Flutist

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
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> Also, I'm quitting on this subject. I don't mind some deviation from the 
> subject of a newsgroup, but I think this has gone far enough. You simply 
> do not want to confront your delusions but that was clear from the start. 
> Lets try and keep ourselves to discussing your alt-med delusions from now 
> on shall we? And please note: this does by no way mean I'm running away 
> from discussing Randi and vedic astrology. I simply feel this foray into 
> this totally unrelated topic has gone on long enough.

Quite, I couldn't care less about astrology or what anyone believes. Medical 
astrology one day maybe.

And I have no wish to come within the orbit of the reptile outrider called 
Randi.

It is ironic but if their really was nothing to astrology or homeopathy, 
then elite hatchet men like him wouldn't be wasting their time on them

"Michelle J. Haines"  wrote in message 
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> john wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like you don't have any kids.
>
> I've had five, one of whom died of pneumococcal meningitis the year before 
> Prevnar was released, and two of whom have RAD.  We vaccinate, on 
> schedule, and get yearly flu shots.
>
> One small grave is more than enough.
>
> Michelle
> Flutist

Quite, but Prevnar wouldn't have saved him http://www.whale.to/v/prevnar.htm

There are 200 Prevnar associated deaths on VAERS.  And vaccines fill plenty 
of graves every year, thousands http://www.whale.to/vaccines/deaths.html  on 
top of the 780,000 killed by the other drugs and operations of vaccinators.

"Prevnar ranks as one of the biggest selling hype snow jobs in modern 
medicine. And I haven't even touched on the safety issues, including the 
fact that this company, like other vaccine manufacturers, can't seem to get 
around to conducting adequate safety studies."--Nicholas Regush

You want to ask the vaccinators why they wont use vitamin C to save kids 
from meningitis

"The matron was convinced that the diagnosis was meningitis so she prepared 
a lumbar puncture.  I had however, seen this problem before.  Lumbar 
punctures performed by me had been negative and the infants died....the 
trauma of inserting a needle..might result in a haemorrage that might cause 
spinal cord paralysis.  So I decided to give an injection of vitamin C..I 
probably gave as many as 6 injections, each 100mg.  After half an hour Mary 
was normal.  It was hard to believe, but I had performed a miracle!...I 
found that any viral infection, including measles and hepatitis, could be 
dramatically 'cured' by administering Vitamin C intravenously in big 
doses--provided that treatment was commenced early."---Dr Kalokerinos MD 
(Medical Pioneer of the 20th century p175)

Flu jab is one of the best vaccine hoaxes 
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/flu.html

Good for an annual mercury top up, just so you can get alzheimer's:

"According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD (http://members.aol.com/nitrf), the world's 
leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 
850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five 
consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied) his/her 
chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had 
one, two or no shots. I asked Dr. Fudenberg why this was so and he said it 
was due to the mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot (and most 
childhood shots).  The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain 
causes cognitive dysfunction.  Is that why Alzheimer's is expected to 
quadruple? Notes: Recorded from Dr. Fudenberg's speech at the NVIC 
International Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997.  Quoted 
with permission. Alzheimer's to quadruple statement is from John's Hopkins 
Newsletter Nov 1998."

john wrote:
>
> You want to ask the vaccinators why they wont use vitamin C to save kids 
> from meningitis

Oh, so that's the latest quack cure fad?  Last time some "the doctors 
killed your kid" idiot informed me of this, it was "stablized oxygen" 
that was the cure-all.  Just put a few drops of hydrogen peroxide in 
water and have him drink it!  Whoopie!  I do believe she mentioned 
colloidal silver, too.  Never mind that silver molecules are too big to 
cross the blood brain barrier.

Now it's vitamin C injections!  Whee!

I love how all these things will take the place of antibiotics, blood 
pressure stablizers, and any of the other drugs that were keeping him 
alive. :p

Michelle
Flutist

"Michelle J. Haines"  wrote in message 
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> john wrote:
>>
>> You want to ask the vaccinators why they wont use vitamin C to save kids 
>> from meningitis
>
> Oh, so that's the latest quack cure fad?  Last time some "the doctors 
> killed your kid" idiot informed me of this, it was "stablized oxygen" that 
> was the cure-all.  Just put a few drops of hydrogen peroxide in water and 
> have him drink it!  Whoopie!  I do believe she mentioned colloidal silver, 
> too.  Never mind that silver molecules are too big to cross the blood 
> brain barrier.
>
> Now it's vitamin C injections!  Whee!

Latest is hardly the word, probably  discovered in the 30's in the lab, 
proven to work in clinical practice in the 50's, so if you consider 50 years 
"latest" then yes.  Around the time of penicillin, I would guess.

Dr Klenner was the man in the USA 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_R._Klenner

You can see a full list of his papers on an edit I did 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_R._Klenner&diff=prev&oldid=35275096

that got removed by an allopath medical doctor (Jdwolff), as you can see 
here 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fred_R._Klenner&diff=next&oldid=35275096

with the words "we do not need all his 28 papers listed here"

so you can see them suppressing it, right in front of you

You can see Dr Kalokerinos's list of papers 
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Archie_Kalokerinos&diff=next&oldid=35281561

as for oxygen therapy, same story

Ozone eliminates... viruses and  bacteria  from   blood, human and stored... 
Medical ozone is successfully used on AIDS,   Herpes,   Hepatitis, 
Mononucleosis, Cirrhosis of the liver, Gangrene, Cardiovascular Disease, 
Arteriosclerosis, High Cholesterol, Cancerous Tumours, Lymphomas, 
Leukemia... Highly effective on Rheumatoid and other Arthritis, Allergies of 
all types... Improves Multiple Sclerosis, ameliorates Alzheimer's Disease, 
Senility, and Parkinson's... Effective on Proctitis, Colitis, Prostrate, 
Candidiasis, Trichomoniasis, Cystitis; Externally, ozone is effective in 
treating Acne, bums, leg ulcers, open sores and wounds, Eczema, and fungus." 
OZONE HAS CURED AIDS IN OVER 300 CASES--Ed McCabe 
http://www.whale.to/c/oxygen.html

In article <dql14b$iaf$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
john  wrote:
>
>"Jeff"  wrote in message 
>news:2kezf.9134$ZA2.8676@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> No, he is a person who is able to think for himself.
>>
>> Jeff
>
>Unlike you!!
>
>"It is the great commercial manufacturing firms who are providing the brains 
>for the medical man of to-day."---Dr Hadwen 1925

Aw, shucks, only 1925?  Surely you must have something from, oh, say,
1825 that's even more irrelevant, and thus venerated by you.

  -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net 
     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
     "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                 -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

john wrote:

> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
> news:43ce5719$0$12846$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> 
> 
>>Also, I'm quitting on this subject. I don't mind some deviation from the 
>>subject of a newsgroup, but I think this has gone far enough. You simply 
>>do not want to confront your delusions but that was clear from the start. 
>>Lets try and keep ourselves to discussing your alt-med delusions from now 
>>on shall we? And please note: this does by no way mean I'm running away 
>>from discussing Randi and vedic astrology. I simply feel this foray into 
>>this totally unrelated topic has gone on long enough.
> 
> 
> Quite, I couldn't care less about astrology or what anyone believes. Medical 
> astrology one day maybe.
> 
> And I have no wish to come within the orbit of the reptile outrider called 
> Randi.
> 
> It is ironic but if their really was nothing to astrology or homeopathy, 
> then elite hatchet men like him wouldn't be wasting their time on them

Oh boy, you should quit your dayjob and become a comedian. This is one 
the funniest non sequiturs I have seen in a long time!

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
news:43cf4573$0$12841$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> Oh boy, you should quit your dayjob and become a comedian. This is one the 
> funniest non sequiturs I have seen in a long time!

Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.

john wrote:
> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
> news:43cf4573$0$12841$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> 
>>Oh boy, you should quit your dayjob and become a comedian. This is one the 
>>funniest non sequiturs I have seen in a long time!
> 
> 
> Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged. 

BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes 
bigotry, racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such 
things. I guess by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these 
things.

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
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> john wrote:
>> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
>> news:43cf4573$0$12841$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
>>
>>>Oh boy, you should quit your dayjob and become a comedian. This is one 
>>>the funniest non sequiturs I have seen in a long time!
>>
>>
>> Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
>
> BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes bigotry, 
> racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I guess 
> by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.

I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself

john wrote:

> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
> news:43cf4f00$0$12848$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
> 
>>john wrote:
>>
>>>"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
>>>news:43cf4573$0$12841$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Oh boy, you should quit your dayjob and become a comedian. This is one 
>>>>the funniest non sequiturs I have seen in a long time!
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
>>
>>BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes bigotry, 
>>racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I guess 
>>by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.
> 
> 
> I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself 

I don't think you have much idea about the concept of sarcasm, or any 
clue at all.

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
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> john wrote:
>> "JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
>> news:43cf4573$0$12841$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
>>
>>>Oh boy, you should quit your dayjob and become a comedian. This is one 
>>>the funniest non sequiturs I have seen in a long time!
>>
>>
>> Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
>
> BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes bigotry, 
> racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I guess 
> by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.

That is your logic, we usually see ourselves in others.  To even suggest 
such an idiotic idea means you have it in your brain, as I wouldn't even 
think of something so stupid.

This is the basic logic that Randi and quack/health fraud folk try and get 
everyone believing:

Astrology is bunk because no one can prove it works as they can't win our $1 
million

Anyone who therefore believes in astrology is an idiot, anti-science etc

Therefore if they don't believe vaccination works, or believe in vitamin C, 
what do you expect from idiots who believe in astrology?

Very basic ad hominem.  And he can sell the lie that he is pro-science by 
debunking "quackery" like homeopathy.  When in reality he is just an 
Elite/Pharma shill.  He can wear this great Emperors coat of the great 
crusader for truth.  What a joke!

Astrology is a sign towards Creation, divinity, so you would expect the 
atheists who run the world to push for its suppression, even though they 
know god exists, they don't want the little people realising they are great, 
like Jesus inside.  Which is why they push Darwinism, the most idiotic 
belief system, which just shows how you can brainwash people into believing 
any old crap.

Hans Ruesh hit the nail:

"To teach the Rockefeller drug ideology, it is necessary to teach that 
Nature didn't know what she was doing when she made the human 
body."-------Hans Ruesch

Carl Sagan was another CSICOP gatekeeper, saying the lie that there was no 
life anywhere else, what a joke!

Likewsie their 'debunking' of the paranormal.  They want to keep it to 
themselves:

"I said that was quite interesting. I asked the dean whether he had taken 
part in such rituals. He said yes, but declined to describe the ceremonies. 
He was essentially telling me that a secret society was the proper home for 
the paranormal. His attitude as I read it implied that the paranormal was 
THE PROPERTY of secret societies---and the great unwashed masses were barred 
from such knowledge. It was the first time I realized there might be more to 
the prejudice against paranormal research than meets the eye..."  For some 
people, so-called scientific opposition to allowing and funding paranormal 
research is merely a pose. These people are actually perverse mystics, and 
they want to protect their "monopoly" on the subject. They also want the 
kind of psychic control over others they think is possible through their 
ritualistic practices. "---THE PARANORMAL AND SECRET SOCIETIES ---JON 
RAPPOPORT

CSICOP: "Junk science books sell far more than real science"

Yes, and you can see it all here in medicine 
http://www.whale.to/a/hoaxmed.html

I don't think that is what they had in mind!

john wrote:

> I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself

Nobody has much idea about your logic, John, because you don't have any.

"Linz"  wrote in message 
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> john wrote:
>
>> I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
>
> Nobody has much idea about your logic, John, because you don't have any.
>

An expert on logic, if you could point out your reasoning I am sure I would 
find it useful.

"john"  wrote in message
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Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
> >
> > BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes
bigotry,
> > racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I guess
> > by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.
>
> I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself

Isn't the name "john doe" usually reserved for the dead?


Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net

"Linz"  wrote in message
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> john wrote:
>
> > I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
>
> Nobody has much idea about your logic, John, because you don't have any.

On the contrary. John is one of the more enlightened people on the internet.
His website is the plethora of inspiration and informative pieces about the
most fascinating range of topics.

Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net


>
>

Carole wrote:

> "john"  wrote in message
> news:dqnmrs$lc2$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> 
> Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
> 
>>>BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes
> 
> bigotry,
> 
>>>racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I guess
>>>by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.
>>
>>I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
> 
> 
> Isn't the name "john doe" usually reserved for the dead?

Yes it is. But you see, after I died, they gave me homeopathically 
diluted ricin. Since ricin kills, in accordance with the homeopathic law 
of similars, the homeopathic remedy cured death and now I'm back from 
the grave.

> Carole
> http://www.conspiracee.com
> http://www.cellsalts.net
> 
> 
> 
>

Carole wrote:
> "Linz"  wrote in message
> news:dqo3l4$15u6$1@fiasco.xenopsyche.net...
>> john wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
>>
>> Nobody has much idea about your logic, John, because you don't have
>> any.
>
> On the contrary. John is one of the more enlightened people on the
> internet.

Oh dear me. That tells me a lot about both John and you.

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message 
news:43d5deff$0$12848$ba620dc5@text.nova.planet.nl...
>
> Yes it is. But you see, after I died, they gave me homeopathically diluted 
> ricin. Since ricin kills, in accordance with the homeopathic law of 
> similars, the homeopathic remedy cured death and now I'm back from the 
> grave.

no doubt you died from a dose of allopathy, now you need to raise your 
argument from the dead

Carole wrote:
> "Linz"  wrote in message
> news:dqo3l4$15u6$1@fiasco.xenopsyche.net...
> 
>>john wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
>>
>>Nobody has much idea about your logic, John, because you don't have any.
> 
> 
> On the contrary. John is one of the more enlightened people on the internet.

John is as enlightened as a burned out refrigerator bulb.

> His website is the plethora of inspiration and informative pieces about the
> most fascinating range of topics.

His website is the largest suppository of bullshit on the Internet and 
has never escaped criticism by intelligent people.

JohnDoe wrote:
> Carole wrote:
> 
>> "john"  wrote in message
>> news:dqnmrs$lc2$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>
>> Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
>>
>>>> BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes
>>
>>
>> bigotry,
>>
>>>> racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I 
>>>> guess
>>>> by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
>>
>>
>>
>> Isn't the name "john doe" usually reserved for the dead?
> 
> 
> Yes it is. But you see, after I died, they gave me homeopathically 
> diluted ricin. Since ricin kills, in accordance with the homeopathic law 
> of similars, the homeopathic remedy cured death and now I'm back from 
> the grave.
> 
>> Carole
>> http://www.conspiracee.com
>> http://www.cellsalts.net
>>
>>
>>
>>

sounds reasonable to me.

but you realize that this is only anecdotal evidence, and skeptics just 
won't accept it.

BTW, the John Doe series on tv, had the guy knowing everything.

j.

In article <43d5d2ee$0$3544$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
Carole  wrote:
>
>"john"  wrote in message
>news:dqnmrs$lc2$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>
>Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
>> >
>> > BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes
>bigotry,
>> > racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I guess
>> > by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.
>>
>> I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
>
>Isn't the name "john doe" usually reserved for the dead?

It has other uses in law.

  -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net 
     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
     "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                 -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

You smiled, you spoke, and I believed wrote:

> JohnDoe wrote:
> 
>> Carole wrote:
>>
>>> "john"  wrote in message
>>> news:dqnmrs$lc2$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>>
>>> Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
>>>
>>>>> BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bigotry,
>>>
>>>>> racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I 
>>>>> guess
>>>>> by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't the name "john doe" usually reserved for the dead?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes it is. But you see, after I died, they gave me homeopathically 
>> diluted ricin. Since ricin kills, in accordance with the homeopathic 
>> law of similars, the homeopathic remedy cured death and now I'm back 
>> from the grave.
>>
>>> Carole
>>> http://www.conspiracee.com
>>> http://www.cellsalts.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
> 
> sounds reasonable to me.
> 
> but you realize that this is only anecdotal evidence, and skeptics just 
> won't accept it.
> 
> BTW, the John Doe series on tv, had the guy knowing everything.
> 
> j.
> 

Ah yes, I forgot to mention another homeopathic remedy I've used - 
Gulligo (http://www.gulligo.com). That's how I know stuff... ;-)

"Mark Probert"  wrote in message
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> Carole wrote:
> > "Linz"  wrote in message
> > news:dqo3l4$15u6$1@fiasco.xenopsyche.net...
> >
> >>john wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
> >>
> >>Nobody has much idea about your logic, John, because you don't have any.
> >
> >
> > On the contrary. John is one of the more enlightened people on the
internet.
>
> John is as enlightened as a burned out refrigerator bulb.
>
> > His website is the plethora of inspiration and informative pieces about
the
> > most fascinating range of topics.
>
> His website is the largest suppository of bullshit on the Internet and
> has never escaped criticism by intelligent people.

It all depends on what you call intelligent - high IQ, or people who have a
clue.

Carole
http://www.cellsalts.net
http://www.conspiracee.com

>
>

"JohnDoe"  wrote in message
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> Carole wrote:
>
> > "john"  wrote in message
> > news:dqnmrs$lc2$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> >
> > Thanks. Anyway I can bring pleasure to the disadvantaged.
> >
> >>>BTW, I heared that apart from astrology James Randi also opposes
> >
> > bigotry,
> >
> >>>racism, violence, unkindness, bad table manners and such things. I
guess
> >>>by your logic that makes you a proponent of all these things.
> >>
> >>I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
> >
> >
> > Isn't the name "john doe" usually reserved for the dead?
>
> Yes it is. But you see, after I died, they gave me homeopathically
> diluted ricin. Since ricin kills, in accordance with the homeopathic law
> of similars, the homeopathic remedy cured death and now I'm back from
> the grave.


What about the theory you called yourself "johndoe" as a clue to your state
of mind.

 Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net


> >
> >

"You smiled, you spoke, and I believed"  wrote in message
news:5VvBf.1497$ur7.308@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> JohnDoe wrote:
> > Carole wrote:


>
> sounds reasonable to me.
>
> but you realize that this is only anecdotal evidence, and skeptics just
> won't accept it.
>
> BTW, the John Doe series on tv, had the guy knowing everything.

Don't recall the show, but I don't think our johndoe is named after him.
Most of our johndoe's responses seem pretty droll.

Carole
http://www.conspiracee.com
http://www.cellsalts.net

> j.
>

Carole wrote:
> "Mark Probert"  wrote in message
> news:gvqBf.2$v81.1@fe12.lga...

>> John is as enlightened as a burned out refrigerator bulb.
>>
>>> His website is the plethora of inspiration and informative pieces
>>> about the most fascinating range of topics.
>>
>> His website is the largest suppository of bullshit on the Internet
>> and has never escaped criticism by intelligent people.
>
> It all depends on what you call intelligent - high IQ, or people who
> have a clue.

John is a member of neither category.

Carole wrote:
> "Mark Probert"  wrote in message
> news:gvqBf.2$v81.1@fe12.lga...
> 
>>Carole wrote:
>>
>>>"Linz"  wrote in message
>>>news:dqo3l4$15u6$1@fiasco.xenopsyche.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>john wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I don't think you have much idea about my logic, or logic itself
>>>>
>>>>Nobody has much idea about your logic, John, because you don't have any.
>>>
>>>
>>>On the contrary. John is one of the more enlightened people on the
> 
> internet.
> 
>>John is as enlightened as a burned out refrigerator bulb.
>>
>>
>>>His website is the plethora of inspiration and informative pieces about
> 
> the
> 
>>>most fascinating range of topics.
>>
>>His website is the largest suppository of bullshit on the Internet and
>>has never escaped criticism by intelligent people.
> 
> 
> It all depends on what you call intelligent - high IQ, or people who have a
> clue.

Well, those who have criticized his website clearly have a clue, and are 
highly intelligent.

Which, of course, puts them parsecs ahead of you and John.

In article <dqlrsk$5dv$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
john  wrote:
>
>"Michelle J. Haines"  wrote in message 
>news:8c0d1$43ce6995$4127760a$14943@hpnx.com...
>> john wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like you don't have any kids.
>>
>> I've had five, one of whom died of pneumococcal meningitis the year before 
>> Prevnar was released, and two of whom have RAD.  We vaccinate, on 
>> schedule, and get yearly flu shots.
>>
>> One small grave is more than enough.
>>
>> Michelle
>> Flutist
>
>Quite, but Prevnar wouldn't have saved him http://www.whale.to/v/prevnar.htm

Prevnar is something like 75% effective, according to the studies I
looked up.  Quite good, considering that we're talking about infants.

>"Prevnar ranks as one of the biggest selling hype snow jobs in modern 
>medicine. And I haven't even touched on the safety issues, including the 
>fact that this company, like other vaccine manufacturers, can't seem to get 
>around to conducting adequate safety studies."--Nicholas Regush

Regush.  Now there's a reliable source.

>You want to ask the vaccinators why they wont use vitamin C to save kids 
>from meningitis

Because they want the kids to get better, and don't happen to worship
Dr. Kalokerinos the way John-boy does.

>Good for an annual mercury top up, just so you can get alzheimer's:
>
>"According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD (http://members.aol.com/nitrf), the world's 
>leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 
>850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five 
>consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied) his/her 
>chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had 
>one, two or no shots.

Fudenberg has never published any data about this, which means I don't
believe him.  And if it really worries you, which it shouldn't, get
the thimerosal-free version of the vaccine.

  -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net 
     These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
     "If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
                                 -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth