http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770

"Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote in message 
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770
Nice to see this happening at last. Although as some say in the feedback's 
just how are Asda able to implement this system?

Responding to Tom...
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770 
>
And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb

So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies 
applying fines on their properties then.

Theoretically this was always possible based on the fact you can be 
seen to have accepted a contractual detail such as this on entrance 
to premises, but where, I wonder, are the clear and unavoidable 
notification details of this new AsdaLaw "auto-contract"?

What could be interesting is if somehow Asda/WallMart have managed to
get some kind of reciprocal backroom arrangement going with local
councils (in the same way they get local money to build things that
benefit their private interests etc.) whereby Asda simply act as
agents of a local bylaw. Now THAT would make an interesting
investigation.

AsdaCops. If you don't resist arrest, you get discount vouchers?

Or maybe better room service points in the Prisons-4-Profit to come?

Asda-City. The future has a discount lining. ;\

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:25 GMT, Mike wrote:

> Responding to Tom...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770 
>>
> And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb
> 
> So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies 
> applying fines on their properties then.

Well, it promisees to be lucrative for the two charities who are to benefit
from the imposition of such fines.

<snipped remainder of inaccurate rantings>

Or didn't it suit the particular axe you're wanting to grind to make any
mention of that in your diatribe?

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On 11 Jan, 10:07, "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote:
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...

My local store seems to have been one of the places trialling it.
Still can't park in a disabled bay very often - too many people using
cars with blue badges at any one time. Makes a great place to park up
to visit the market and town centre too though.  :)

Nice that they will donate profits from the charging scheme to
charity. Though its a slippery term - profits might be just a few
hundred pounds a year. Or could be hundreds of thousands of pounds. Or
anywhere in between.
Still, nothing to say they have to donate anything. Perfectly
acceptable for them to keep the profits.

Martin  <><

The Wanderer wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:25 GMT, Mike wrote:
> 
>> Responding to Tom...
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770 
>>>
>> And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb
>>
>> So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies 
>> applying fines on their properties then.
> 
> Well, it promisees to be lucrative for the two charities who are to benefit
> from the imposition of such fines.
> 
> <snipped remainder of inaccurate rantings>
> 
> Or didn't it suit the particular axe you're wanting to grind to make any
> mention of that in your diatribe?
> 

The whole concept of shops fining their customers strikes me as 
incredibly bizarre.

My local supermarket has, a seperate store entrance and dedicated 
checkout next to dedicated parking. Never a queue to checkout, no hordes 
of people pushing past in all directions. A much more civilised 
experience, altogether. And never a problem finding a space right next 
to the entrance. Altogether a first-class experience...


-- 
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mart2306@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 11 Jan, 10:07, "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote:
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
> 
> My local store seems to have been one of the places trialling it.
> Still can't park in a disabled bay very often - too many people using
> cars with blue badges at any one time. Makes a great place to park up
> to visit the market and town centre too though.  :)
> 

The local village shop also works a great system. You phone him up and 
ask if his parking space outside is free. If it is, he will cone it off 
for you. If it isn't, he will wait until it is free, cone it off and 
give you a ring. Toot as you arrive and he will nip out and move the cones.

A local shop like that is well worth supporting...

-- 
Sue

Palindrome wrote:
> The Wanderer wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:25 GMT, Mike wrote:
>>
>>> Responding to Tom...
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770
>>>>
>>> And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb
>>>
>>> So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies
>>> applying fines on their properties then.
>>
>> Well, it promisees to be lucrative for the two charities who are to
>> benefit from the imposition of such fines.
>>
>> <snipped remainder of inaccurate rantings>
>>
>> Or didn't it suit the particular axe you're wanting to grind to make
>> any mention of that in your diatribe?
>>
>
> The whole concept of shops fining their customers strikes me as
> incredibly bizarre.
>
> My local supermarket has, a seperate store entrance and dedicated
> checkout next to dedicated parking. Never a queue to checkout, no
> hordes of people pushing past in all directions. A much more civilised
> experience, altogether. And never a problem finding a space right next
> to the entrance. Altogether a first-class experience...

Our local Asda has a dedicated checkout, specially for disabled customers, 
but it always has a long queue of able bodied folks at it.
And the disabled bays are always full of people who think they are the 
'parent and child' bays, or else specialist parking areas for contractors 
vans and taxis.

On 11 Jan, 14:11, Mike  wrote:
> Responding to Tom...>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>
> And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb
>
> So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies
> applying fines on their properties then.
>
> Theoretically this was always possible based on the fact you can be
> seen to have accepted a contractual detail such as this on entrance
> to premises, but where, I wonder, are the clear and unavoidable
> notification details of this new AsdaLaw "auto-contract"?
>
> What could be interesting is if somehow Asda/WallMart have managed to
> get some kind of reciprocal backroom arrangement going with local
> councils (in the same way they get local money to build things that
> benefit their private interests etc.) whereby Asda simply act as
> agents of a local bylaw. Now THAT would make an interesting
> investigation.
>
> AsdaCops. If you don't resist arrest, you get discount vouchers?
>
> Or maybe better room service points in the Prisons-4-Profit to come?
>
> Asda-City. The future has a discount lining. ;\
>
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Well, will be similar to being clamped while on other private land and
then having to pay fee to get off.
Or private car parks - we've several in town that already have a
fining system.

Martin  <><

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:07:35 -0000, "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote:

>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770 

Good for them but it shouldn't be necessary.

In the USA (in some places at least) it's an offence for
non-permit-holders to park in any space designated for the use of the
disabled, no matter where it's located - cars are commonly towed, and
the penalties can be severe for repeat offenders.  An American
acquaintance described an incident in a shopping mall where the
offender was handcuffed and placed into a police car.  Though as she
had never seen this before she concluded he must have been a constant
offender.

I don't see why we can't have laws like that in the UK.

As it is, I have few problems around my local supermarkets - unlike my
local general hospital, where the 16 disabled spaces (in a car park
housing about 1000 vehicles!) are constantly abused - usually by white
vans.

John

Responding to Palindrome...
> The Wanderer wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:25 GMT, Mike wrote:
>> 
>>> Responding to Tom...
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770 
>>>>
>>> And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb
>>>
>>> So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies 
>>> applying fines on their properties then.
>> 
>> Well, it promisees to be lucrative for the two charities who are to benefit
>> from the imposition of such fines.
>> 
>> <snipped remainder of inaccurate rantings>
>> 
>> Or didn't it suit the particular axe you're wanting to grind to make any
>> mention of that in your diatribe?
>> 
>
> The whole concept of shops fining their customers strikes me as 
> incredibly bizarre.


So did I, but... If you look to a (not so far away) future where
this kind of thing has become stablished due to people assuming that
the fine money always goes to a charity, but doesn't once nobody
thinks twice about it...

Wallmart are not famous for their charity work, and have no interest 
in their UK Asda aquisition other than maximum profits. Not too 
difficult a picture to put together?


(I notice that 'The Wanderer' is still validating my earlier reasons
 for plonking him. ;)

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On 11 Jan, 20:28, Mike  wrote:
> Responding to Palindrome...
>
>
>
>
>
> > The Wanderer wrote:
> >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:25 GMT, Mike wrote:
>
> >>> Responding to Tom...
> >>>>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti.> >>> And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb
>
> >>> So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies
> >>> applying fines on their properties then.
>
> >> Well, it promisees to be lucrative for the two charities who are to benefit
> >> from the imposition of such fines.
>
> >> <snipped remainder of inaccurate rantings>
>
> >> Or didn't it suit the particular axe you're wanting to grind to make any
> >> mention of that in your diatribe?
>
> > The whole concept of shops fining their customers strikes me as
> > incredibly bizarre.
>
> So did I, but... If you look to a (not so far away) future where
> this kind of thing has become stablished due to people assuming that
> the fine money always goes to a charity, but doesn't once nobody
> thinks twice about it...
>
> Wallmart are not famous for their charity work, and have no interest
> in their UK Asda aquisition other than maximum profits. Not too
> difficult a picture to put together?
>
> (I notice that 'The Wanderer' is still validating my earlier reasons
>  for plonking him. ;)
>
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Asda do some good stuff with charities. Not a massive amount, but give
my charity the best response of any company of its size.

Martin  <><

wrote in message 
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    > On 11 Jan, 10:07, "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote:
    >> 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
    >
    > My local store seems to have been one of the places trialling it.
    > Still can't park in a disabled bay very often - too many people using
    > cars with blue badges at any one time. Makes a great place to park up
    > to visit the market and town centre too though.  :)
    >
    > Nice that they will donate profits from the charging scheme to
    > charity. Though its a slippery term - profits might be just a few
    > hundred pounds a year. Or could be hundreds of thousands of pounds. Or
    > anywhere in between.
    > Still, nothing to say they have to donate anything. Perfectly
    > acceptable for them to keep the profits.


Does it really matter ...at least they have the balls to do something to try 
and alleviate the problem of abuse.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:28:55 GMT, Mike wrote:

> Responding to Palindrome...
>> The Wanderer wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:25 GMT, Mike wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Responding to Tom...
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770 
>>>>>
>>>> And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb
>>>>
>>>> So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies 
>>>> applying fines on their properties then.
>>> 
>>> Well, it promisees to be lucrative for the two charities who are to benefit
>>> from the imposition of such fines.
>>> 
>>> <snipped remainder of inaccurate rantings>
>>> 
>>> Or didn't it suit the particular axe you're wanting to grind to make any
>>> mention of that in your diatribe?
>>> 
>>
>> The whole concept of shops fining their customers strikes me as 
>> incredibly bizarre.
> 
> 
> So did I, but... If you look to a (not so far away) future where
> this kind of thing has become stablished due to people assuming that
> the fine money always goes to a charity, but doesn't once nobody
> thinks twice about it...
> 
> Wallmart are not famous for their charity work, and have no interest 
> in their UK Asda aquisition other than maximum profits. Not too 
> difficult a picture to put together?
> 
> 
> (I notice that 'The Wanderer' is still validating my earlier reasons
>  for plonking him. ;)

And others will recognise your actions as those of someone who is incapable
of accepting that your Pov may be wrong and is incapable of entering into
rational debate.

You have the problem, not me, but you won't read this, will you?


-- 
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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:46:17 GMT, Palindrome  wrote:

>The Wanderer wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:11:25 GMT, Mike wrote:
>> 
>>> Responding to Tom...
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770 
>>>>
>>> And your TinyURL is:  http://tinyurl.com/yp2cgb
>>>
>>> So, Asda are spearheading the lucrative idea of private companies 
>>> applying fines on their properties then.
>> 
>> Well, it promisees to be lucrative for the two charities who are to benefit
>> from the imposition of such fines.
>> 
>> <snipped remainder of inaccurate rantings>
>> 
>> Or didn't it suit the particular axe you're wanting to grind to make any
>> mention of that in your diatribe?
>> 
>
>The whole concept of shops fining their customers strikes me as 
>incredibly bizarre.
>
>My local supermarket has, a seperate store entrance and dedicated 
>checkout next to dedicated parking. Never a queue to checkout, no hordes 
>of people pushing past in all directions. A much more civilised 
>experience, altogether. And never a problem finding a space right next 
>to the entrance. Altogether a first-class experience...

Yes but you probably live out in the middle of nowhere?

"Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote in message 
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770

Hi Folks

However ASDA, work it if it stops unauthorized people parking where they are 
not supposed to park then I'm all for it.


Yours Chris

Responding to Chris Weir...
> "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote in message 
> news:47873fe8$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=507395&in_page_id=1770
>
> Hi Folks
>
> However ASDA, work it if it stops unauthorized people parking where they are 
> not supposed to park then I'm all for it.
>

Whenever any profit making or power seeking organisation or 
individual appears to be doing "the right thing", one should always 
look very closely at their motives, and what they are really up to. 
Occasionally you might be pleasantly surprised and find someone with 
genuinely admirable motives behind the actions, but not that often.

If you start out assuming a problem-reaction-solution operation is 
running, you'll generally figure out the real deal pretty quickly.

"Power gives nothing without demand."


Sounds all dramatic and conspiracy-theory-esque I know, but...

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On 12 Jan, 10:55, "Chris Weir"  wrote:
> "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote in message
>
> news:47873fe8$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>
> Hi Folks
>
> However ASDA, work it if it stops unauthorized people parking where they are
> not supposed to park then I'm all for it.
>
> Yours Chris

Now if they were to start checking that the vehicle parked in the
disabled bay is being used for the blue badge holder, even better.
But that is perhaps another issue.

Martin  <><

wrote in message 
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> On 12 Jan, 10:55, "Chris Weir"  wrote:
>> "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote in message
>>
>> news:47873fe8$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>
>> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>>
>> Hi Folks
>>
>> However ASDA, work it if it stops unauthorized people parking where they 
>> are
>> not supposed to park then I'm all for it.
>>
>> Yours Chris
>
> Now if they were to start checking that the vehicle parked in the
> disabled bay is being used for the blue badge holder, even better.
> But that is perhaps another issue.
>
> Martin  <><

My local ASDA seems not to have heard about any of this. They still do not 
police disabled parking spaces, and if you tell them they just shrug and 
couldn't care less. It seems the land is still owned by the local council 
and ASDA says that stops them making any parking policy universal. If it 
wasn't that, they'd just find another excuse.

On 12 Jan, 13:06, "Night Horse"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:0eebd651-f9e2-4b90-ba7d-ae792080a71e@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Jan, 10:55, "Chris Weir"  wrote:
> >> "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote in message
>
> >>news:47873fe8$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> >> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti.> >> Hi Folks
>
> >> However ASDA, work it if it stops unauthorized people parking where they
> >> are
> >> not supposed to park then I'm all for it.
>
> >> Yours Chris
>
> > Now if they were to start checking that the vehicle parked in the
> > disabled bay is being used for the blue badge holder, even better.
> > But that is perhaps another issue.
>
> > Martin  <><
>
> My local ASDA seems not to have heard about any of this. They still do not> police disabled parking spaces, and if you tell them they just shrug and
> couldn't care less. It seems the land is still owned by the local council
> and ASDA says that stops them making any parking policy universal. If it
> wasn't that, they'd just find another excuse.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Give it time.
Asda have apparently been trialling the system and will be rolling it
out. Probably the managers of the other stores are aware of it, but
could be simply in a memo. Most of the staff won't care about stuff at
another store.
Even local council land can have rules imposed on it - and councils
can be pushed to police car parks easier than companies can.

Martin  <><

wrote in message 
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On 12 Jan, 13:06, "Night Horse"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:0eebd651-f9e2-4b90-ba7d-ae792080a71e@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 12 Jan, 10:55, "Chris Weir"  wrote:
> >> "Tom" <nospam@bed> wrote in message
>
> >>news:47873fe8$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>
> >> >http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_arti...
>
> >> Hi Folks
>
> >> However ASDA, work it if it stops unauthorized people parking where 
> >> they
> >> are
> >> not supposed to park then I'm all for it.
>
> >> Yours Chris
>
> > Now if they were to start checking that the vehicle parked in the
> > disabled bay is being used for the blue badge holder, even better.
> > But that is perhaps another issue.
>
> > Martin <><
>
> My local ASDA seems not to have heard about any of this. They still do not
> police disabled parking spaces, and if you tell them they just shrug and
> couldn't care less. It seems the land is still owned by the local council
> and ASDA says that stops them making any parking policy universal. If it
> wasn't that, they'd just find another excuse.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Give it time.
Asda have apparently been trialling the system and will be rolling it
out. Probably the managers of the other stores are aware of it, but
could be simply in a memo. Most of the staff won't care about stuff at
another store.
Even local council land can have rules imposed on it - and councils
can be pushed to police car parks easier than companies can.

Martin  <><

Apparently it will be applied to Asda carparks everywhere from March.  I 
hope the rest of the supermarkets catch on - Asda will make no difference to 
me - we never go there.

Pat

Pat