http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez/default.aspx?lang=en

I cant find any exemptions or wavers for Disabled Vehicles in this. As
I have to visit a Hospital in the LEZ by car this is going to
seriously affect me.
Public transport is a nono and I cant afford a Taxi.

On 14 Dec, 08:23, Custard <ignore the facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez/default.aspx?lang=en
>
> I cant find any exemptions or wavers for Disabled Vehicles in this. As
> I have to visit a Hospital in the LEZ by car this is going to
> seriously affect me.
> Public transport is a nono and I cant afford a Taxi.

Thats right, nothing for disabled vehicles listed.
Though most will be below the lower weight specification, so not
affected.

Taxi may be cheaper than the charge for some, depending on distance.

Martin  <><

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:23:14 +0000, Custard <ignore the
facts-completely@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>I cant find any exemptions or wavers for Disabled Vehicles in this. As
>I have to visit a Hospital in the LEZ by car this is going to
>seriously affect me.

"The Low Emission Zone (LEZ) will affect older, diesel-engined
lorries, buses, coaches and large vans (exceeding 1.205 tonnes unladen
weight) and minibuses."..."Cars, motorcycles and small vans are not
included in the LEZ"

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:03:33 -0800 (PST), "mart2306@hotmail.com"
 wrote:

>On 14 Dec, 08:23, Custard <ignore the facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>> http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez/default.aspx?lang=en
>>
>> I cant find any exemptions or wavers for Disabled Vehicles in this. As
>> I have to visit a Hospital in the LEZ by car this is going to
>> seriously affect me.
>> Public transport is a nono and I cant afford a Taxi.
>
>Thats right, nothing for disabled vehicles listed.
>Though most will be below the lower weight specification, so not
>affected.
>
>Taxi may be cheaper than the charge for some, depending on distance.
>
>Martin  <><

Our only vehicle is a Motorcaravan. which according to their website
will be ok untill 2010 then weve had it.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:56:09 +0000, Peter Parry 
wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:23:14 +0000, Custard <ignore the
>facts-completely@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>I cant find any exemptions or wavers for Disabled Vehicles in this. As
>>I have to visit a Hospital in the LEZ by car this is going to
>>seriously affect me.
>
>"The Low Emission Zone (LEZ) will affect older, diesel-engined
>lorries, buses, coaches and large vans (exceeding 1.205 tonnes unladen
>weight) and minibuses."..."Cars, motorcycles and small vans are not
>included in the LEZ"

We have a VW T4 Motorcaravan which is our only vehicle.

On 14 Dec, 15:35, Custard <ignore the facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:56:09 +0000, Peter Parry 
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:23:14 +0000, Custard <ignore the
> >facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>I cant find any exemptions or wavers for Disabled Vehicles in this. As
> >>I have to visit a Hospital in the LEZ by car this is going to
> >>seriously affect me.
>
> >"The Low Emission Zone (LEZ) will affect older, diesel-engined
> >lorries, buses, coaches and large vans (exceeding 1.205 tonnes unladen
> >weight) and minibuses."..."Cars, motorcycles and small vans are not
> >included in the LEZ"
>
> We have a VW T4 Motorcaravan which is our only vehicle.

Haven't we had this conversation recently?

Martin  <><

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:35:34 +0000, Custard <ignore the
facts-completely@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>We have a VW T4 Motorcaravan which is our only vehicle.

Ah, it was describing it as a "car" that confused me :-).  You are
correct,  there are no exemptions and the zone covers most of the
inside of the M25.  Gives dear old Ken an excuse to put another few
thousand spy cameras in and extract more money from people who can't
vote him out.

On 14 Dec, 16:45, Peter Parry  wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:35:34 +0000, Custard <ignore the
>
> facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >We have a VW T4 Motorcaravan which is our only vehicle.
>
> Ah, it was describing it as a "car" that confused me :-).  You are
> correct,  there are no exemptions and the zone covers most of the
> inside of the M25.  Gives dear old Ken an excuse to put another few
> thousand spy cameras in and extract more money from people who can't
> vote him out.

Can't? Or won't?
Hey - maybe he'll be using the money to pay towards the Olympics.  :)

Martin  <><

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:11:39 -0800 (PST), "mart2306@hotmail.com"
 wrote:


>Can't? Or won't?

Can't, most of those caught by this will be people, especially
tradesmen, living outside London and driving in with their vans to
work.

>Hey - maybe he'll be using the money to pay towards the Olympics.  :)

By the time the cost multiplies a few times more he will need to!

On 14 Dec, 18:43, Peter Parry  wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:11:39 -0800 (PST), "mart2...@hotmail.com"
>
>  wrote:
> >Can't? Or won't?
>
> Can't, most of those caught by this will be people, especially
> tradesmen, living outside London and driving in with their vans to
> work.
>
> >Hey - maybe he'll be using the money to pay towards the Olympics.  :)
>
> By the time the cost multiplies a few times more he will need to!

So the Londoners will be OK having this scheme in their city?

Sounds like Custard either pays the bill for the day, or takes a taxi.
Most others won't be directly affected (though if tradesmen have to
put prices up to compensate.....).

Martin  <><

Martin  <><

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:10:12 -0800 (PST), "mart2306@hotmail.com"
 wrote:

>Most others won't be directly affected (though if tradesmen have to
>put prices up to compensate.....).

At either £100 for a van or £200 for a HGV per _day_  I don't think
many tradesmen  will be doing anything but passing on the charge.

On 14 Dec, 23:35, Peter Parry  wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:10:12 -0800 (PST), "mart2...@hotmail.com"
>
>  wrote:
> >Most others won't be directly affected (though if tradesmen have to
> >put prices up to compensate.....).
>
> At either £100 for a van or £200 for a HGV per _day_  I don't think
> many tradesmen  will be doing anything but passing on the charge.

So Londoners get to feel the effects anyway.
Plus the rest of us of course - a company thats not just based in that
area will spread extra costs among most of its customers anyway.
Putting milk up by a penny at the local Tesco, parcels costing an
extra 20p each to ship via a courier, and so on.

Martin  <><

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:01:02 -0800 (PST), "mart2306@hotmail.com"
 wrote:

>On 14 Dec, 15:35, Custard <ignore the facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:56:09 +0000, Peter Parry 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:23:14 +0000, Custard <ignore the
>> >facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >>I cant find any exemptions or wavers for Disabled Vehicles in this. As
>> >>I have to visit a Hospital in the LEZ by car this is going to
>> >>seriously affect me.
>>
>> >"The Low Emission Zone (LEZ) will affect older, diesel-engined
>> >lorries, buses, coaches and large vans (exceeding 1.205 tonnes unladen
>> >weight) and minibuses."..."Cars, motorcycles and small vans are not
>> >included in the LEZ"
>>
>> We have a VW T4 Motorcaravan which is our only vehicle.
>
>Haven't we had this conversation recently?
>
>Martin  <><

Not that I know of

On 15 Dec, 08:58, Custard <ignore the facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:01:02 -0800 (PST), "mart2...@hotmail.com"
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >On 14 Dec, 15:35, Custard <ignore the facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk>
> >wrote:
> >> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:56:09 +0000, Peter Parry 
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:23:14 +0000, Custard <ignore the
> >> >facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> >>I cant find any exemptions or wavers for Disabled Vehicles in this. As
> >> >>I have to visit a Hospital in the LEZ by car this is going to
> >> >>seriously affect me.
>
> >> >"The Low Emission Zone (LEZ) will affect older, diesel-engined
> >> >lorries, buses, coaches and large vans (exceeding 1.205 tonnes unladen
> >> >weight) and minibuses."..."Cars, motorcycles and small vans are not
> >> >included in the LEZ"
>
> >> We have a VW T4 Motorcaravan which is our only vehicle.
>
> >Haven't we had this conversation recently?
>
> >Martin  <><
>
> Not that I know of- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ah, so there are at least 2 VW T4 Motorcaravans in London, with the
owner raising the same query and moaning about the charge, both unable
to take public transport and both unable to afford taxis. And both
having it as the only vehicle.
Its a small world.

Martin  <><

On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:34:36 -0800 (PST), "mart2306@hotmail.com"
 wrote:

>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Ah, so there are at least 2 VW T4 Motorcaravans in London, with the
>owner raising the same query and moaning about the charge, both unable
>to take public transport and both unable to afford taxis. And both
>having it as the only vehicle.
>Its a small world.
>
>Martin  <><

Actually there is even a London VW T4 owners group of which 3 other
members are disabled. Its a very amenedbale vehicle for modifying for
disabled people, cheap to run (mine runs mostly on veg Oil) and looks
quite nice too.
But dont let reality get in the way of your obnoxiousness.
Have a crap Chistmas Mr Nasty

Responding to Custard...
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:34:36 -0800 (PST), "mart2306@hotmail.com"
> wrote:
>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>Ah, so there are at least 2 VW T4 Motorcaravans in London, with the
>>owner raising the same query and moaning about the charge, both unable
>>to take public transport and both unable to afford taxis. And both
>>having it as the only vehicle.
>>Its a small world.
>>
>>Martin  <><
>
> Actually there is even a London VW T4 owners group of which 3 other
> members are disabled. Its a very amenedbale vehicle for modifying for
> disabled people, cheap to run (mine runs mostly on veg Oil) and looks
> quite nice too.
> But dont let reality get in the way of your obnoxiousness.
> Have a crap Chistmas Mr Nasty
>

Hmmm. Just as reactive as the last one too. Maybe its just something 
driving one of those vehicles brings out in people? ;)

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On 16 Dec, 09:21, Custard <ignore the facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:34:36 -0800 (PST), "mart2...@hotmail.com"
>
>  wrote:
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Ah, so there are at least 2 VW T4 Motorcaravans in London, with the
> >owner raising the same query and moaning about the charge, both unable
> >to take public transport and both unable to afford taxis. And both
> >having it as the only vehicle.
> >Its a small world.
>
> >Martin  <><
>
> Actually there is even a London VW T4 owners group of which 3 other
> members are disabled. Its a very amenedbale vehicle for modifying for
> disabled people, cheap to run (mine runs mostly on veg Oil) and looks
> quite nice too.
> But dont let reality get in the way of your obnoxiousness.
> Have a crap Chistmas Mr Nasty

Reality seems to be that you pay this charge or take a taxi.
And what was obnoxious about saying it was a small world? People do
tend to group by interests, vehicles, disabilities, problems and so
on.

Martin  <><

mart2306@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 15 Dec, 08:58, Custard <ignore the facts-complet...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:01:02 -0800 (PST), "mart2...@hotmail.com"
>>
>>
>>
>snip
> 
> Ah, so there are at least 2 VW T4 Motorcaravans in London, with the
> owner raising the same query and moaning about the charge, both unable
> to take public transport and both unable to afford taxis. And both
> having it as the only vehicle.
> Its a small world.
> 
> Martin  <><

I'm also affected, i drive a transit to carry my disability equipment 
which will be barred after 2010. It is my only transport; the LEZ covers 
almost the entire area inside the M25, and there are no exemptions for 
disabled drivers. Oh yes forget about driving to heathrow airport as the 
link road is included in the scheme.
Martin McG

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