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date: 12 Aug 2007 18:06:31 GMT,    group: uk.people.disability        back       
Re: Veg oil in a diesel car   
Grommit (me@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying : 

>>Be warned, while some continental countries, (France for example), say
>>that all diesel sold at the pump must contain a percentage of
>>bio-diesel, straight veggie oil is NOT Bio-Diesel. 

> YES IT IS.Stop posting rubbish

No, it isn't.

> I have a letter addressed to me from HMCE that states that it is
> indeed Bio Diesel under their temrs and the first 2500 Litres is exmpt
> from Duty. I carry  that letter around in the Glovebox of my van

No, you don't. As you go on to prove...

> And see this from HMCE
> 
> Thank you for your e-mail dated 15 July 2007 regarding the use of
> vegetable oil and DERV mixture in your car and whether you have to
> register with H M Revenue and Customs [HMRC].
> 
> The changes brought in under the ‘Biofuels Simplification’ [Revenue
> and Customs Brief 43/07] whereby producers of biofuels (or other fuel
> substitutes) who produce (or use) less than 2,500 litres per annum,
> will no longer be required to make entry, render returns or pay duty,
> are intended to cover both those who produce or use biofuels (such as
> biodiesel, or bioethanol), and those who produce or use other ‘fuel
> substitutes’ (such as vegetable oil).
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Exactly. Biodiesel *or other fuel subsititutes such as veg oil*
date: 12 Aug 2007 18:06:31 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: Veg oil in a diesel car   
"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:Xns998AC25FEF7B0adrianachapmanfreeis@204.153.245.131...
> Grommit (me@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
> saying :
>
>>>Be warned, while some continental countries, (France for example), say
>>>that all diesel sold at the pump must contain a percentage of
>>>bio-diesel, straight veggie oil is NOT Bio-Diesel.
>
>> YES IT IS.Stop posting rubbish
>
> No, it isn't.
>
>> I have a letter addressed to me from HMCE that states that it is
>> indeed Bio Diesel under their temrs and the first 2500 Litres is exmpt
>> from Duty. I carry  that letter around in the Glovebox of my van
>
> No, you don't. As you go on to prove...
>
>> And see this from HMCE
>>
>> Thank you for your e-mail dated 15 July 2007 regarding the use of
>> vegetable oil and DERV mixture in your car and whether you have to
>> register with H M Revenue and Customs [HMRC].
>>
>> The changes brought in under the 'Biofuels Simplification' [Revenue
>> and Customs Brief 43/07] whereby producers of biofuels (or other fuel
>> substitutes) who produce (or use) less than 2,500 litres per annum,
>> will no longer be required to make entry, render returns or pay duty,
>> are intended to cover both those who produce or use biofuels (such as
>> biodiesel, or bioethanol), and those who produce or use other 'fuel
>> substitutes' (such as vegetable oil).
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Exactly. Biodiesel *or other fuel subsititutes such as veg oil*
The point is that you make bio-diesel from veggie oil.
The very first successful engine made by Rudolf Diesel was designed to run 
on veggie oil, (Peanut oil if I remember correctly), and mineral oil was 
adopted much later. The original idea was to use veggie oil as it was much 
easier to come by and needed less expensive processing. Old Rudolf was way 
ahead of his time. He did, in fact state his engine was meant to cut down on 
pollution.
Diesel died under mysterious circumstances in 1913, vanishing during an 
overnight crossing of the English Channel on the mail steamer Dresden from 
Antwerp to Harwich. Diesel's death might have been suicide, accidental or an 
assassination. Proponents of the assassination theory point out that shortly 
after Diesel's death, a diesel-powered German submarine fleet became the 
scourge of the seas. Diesel had been friendly to France, Britain and the 
United States.

This is a interesting site - http://www.hempcar.org/diesel.shtml
-- 

Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 02:32:40 +0100   author:   Robert Peffers.

Re: Veg oil in a diesel car   
On 12 Aug 2007 18:06:31 GMT, Adrian  wrote:

>Grommit (me@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
>saying : 
>
>>>Be warned, while some continental countries, (France for example), say
>>>that all diesel sold at the pump must contain a percentage of
>>>bio-diesel, straight veggie oil is NOT Bio-Diesel. 
>
>> YES IT IS.Stop posting rubbish
>
>No, it isn't.
Yes it is
Go to the site I posted a read the letter from HMCE
Veg oil is considered now as Biodiesel
>
>> I have a letter addressed to me from HMCE that states that it is
>> indeed Bio Diesel under their temrs and the first 2500 Litres is exmpt
>> from Duty. I carry  that letter around in the Glovebox of my van
>
>No, you don't. As you go on to prove...
No it goes ont to prove my point
>
>> And see this from HMCE
>> 
>> Thank you for your e-mail dated 15 July 2007 regarding the use of
>> vegetable oil and DERV mixture in your car and whether you have to
>> register with H M Revenue and Customs [HMRC].
>> 
>> The changes brought in under the ‘Biofuels Simplification’ [Revenue
>> and Customs Brief 43/07] whereby producers of biofuels (or other fuel
>> substitutes) who produce (or use) less than 2,500 litres per annum,
>> will no longer be required to make entry, render returns or pay duty,
>> are intended to cover both those who produce or use biofuels (such as
>> biodiesel, or bioethanol), and those who produce or use other ‘fuel
>> substitutes’ (such as vegetable oil).
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Exactly. Biodiesel *or other fuel subsititutes such as veg oil*
Yes a fuel subsitute but for HMCE regs they class it as a biodiesel

Give them a call like many others have
date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:10:37 +0100   author:   Grommit

Re: Veg oil in a diesel car   
Grommit (me@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were 
saying :

>>Exactly. Biodiesel *or other fuel subsititutes such as veg oil*

> Yes a fuel subsitute but for HMCE regs they class it as a biodiesel

Which bit of "OR OTHER" are you having difficulty with?
date: 13 Aug 2007 10:14:10 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: Veg oil in a diesel car   
On 13 Aug 2007 10:14:10 GMT, Adrian  wrote:

>Grommit (me@privacy.net) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were 
>saying :
>
>>>Exactly. Biodiesel *or other fuel subsititutes such as veg oil*
>
>> Yes a fuel subsitute but for HMCE regs they class it as a biodiesel
>
>Which bit of "OR OTHER" are you having difficulty with?

Which  CUSTOMS AND EXCISE Department have you spoken to?
I merely repeat what they told me. They have explicitly told me and
all the members of the Biodiesel forum that, for the sake of the new
regulations, SVO is classed a Biodiesel.
End.
date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:15:15 +0100   author:   Grommit

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