> >M > marriage family is the root and model of all oppression.
> > M > Free people cannot be tied down to family.
>
> > G > What if somebody freely chooses to be obligated thus?
>
> > M > Then they are stupid and do not deserve anyone sympathy.
>
> > To say you're not a happy camper is an understatement.
>
> I chose to be free and uncumbered.  Families control and oppress.  You have
> to wait for everybody to die off before you can do what you want.

I don't agree, though I think you make some very interesting  points.

> >> > Marley wote
> >> >> until [America] ceases to be a pediacentric,
> >> >> baybee/child hungry culture, this will continue.
> >> >> The baybee lovers feel they have a right to a kid--anybody's.
>
> >> > A bit extreme perhaps but I agree that obsession
> >> > does drive people to covet other people's children.
>
> I don't kow which is worse:  adoption or social engineering through
> fostercare.  They both have the same effect.  The transfer of children from
> the "less" to the "more" desireable.  Just think of all the fun people could
> have if they'd stop wasting their money on children and get lives of their
> own.

Good points.  I would suggest that many times the "more desirable"
are not just economic, but too often intellectually prostitute
to their ""benefactors"".   Happy stooges seem to be desirable and
fiery people critical of the system are not.   Or just a plain old
spoils system.

> >> > G > The systems explanation for not following the
>
> >> > Marley wrote
> >> >> Very good analysis.  I'll call in [something] radical though.,  Stop
> >> >> breeding.
>
> >> > It certainly is radical, especially if freedom is an issue.
>
> >> We cannot have freedom as long as brats
> >> run the streets and steal our tax dollars
> >> via property taxes.  Make people
> >> responsible for their own kids.
>
> > The last time I saw somebody say something
> > like that it was coming from a cranky senior citizen.
>
> I've hated kids since I was 10 years old.

Was that feeling prompted by some experience?
Were you just a precocious child who identified more with adults?

> > You think property taxes all go to youth?
>
> They do in Ohio.  That's how schools are funded--such as they are.  The Ohio
> SC had twice ordered the legislature to come up with new funding schemes,
> since the current scheme is unconstitutinoal, but they refuse to.  I'm' not
> sure how long this has been doing on.  15 years?   Former Gov. loser Bob
> Taft claimed that the legislature is exempt from OSC orders.  There's a huge
> property tax revolt here.

Why aren't people just voting out the rascals?

> > And it's a bad investment?
>
> Sure.  Taxes are bad--[especially] when they
> go towards the upkeep of crotchfruit.

I think BUREAUCRATS are less productive.
Isn't that closer to the political center of the tax protests also?