M > marriage family is the root and model of all oppression.
M > Free people cannot be tied down to family.

G > What if somebody freely chooses to be obligated thus?

M > Then they are stupid and do not deserve anyone sympathy.

To say you're not a happy camper is an understatement.

> > Marley wote
> >> until [America] ceases to be a pediacentric,
> >> baybee/child hungry culture, this will continue.
> >> The baybee lovers feel they have a right to a kid--anybody's.
>
> > A bit extreme perhaps but I agree that obsession
> > does drive people to covet other people's children.
>
> > G > The systems explanation for not following the
> > G > Constitution is that parents are not facing jail or prison,
> > G > therefore they don't need constitutional protections.
>
> > Marley wrote
> >> [ ] , but civil law has lower standards.
>
> > LIBERTY INTERESTS involved dictate HIGH standards,
> > more like a criminal murder trial, but apparently they
> > came up with these substandard courts to make it
> > easy for incompetent caseworkers to make cases.
> > Judges even tolerate what they know to be perjury.
>
> > Marley wrote
> >> [] The state needs to get out of welfare. We have the
> >> Progressive Era to thank for this, when 100 years ago
> >> they turned over policing duties to do-gooding
> >> middle class social engineers.
>
> > Interesting explanation.
> > Family Rights people have seen mocked some of
> > the rediculous "Social Engineering" apparent in the
> > functioning of the system.
>
> Child [welfare] is rooted in eugenics.

I believe that.

> > Marley wrote
> >> Very good analysis.  I'll call in [something] radical though.,  Stop
> >> breeding.
>
> > It certainly is radical, especially if freedom is an issue.
>
> We cannot have freedom as long as brats
> run the streets and steal our tax dollars
> via property taxes.  Make people
> responsible for their own kids.

The last time I saw somebody say something
like that it was coming from a cranky senior citizen.

You think property taxes all go to youth?

And it's a bad investment?