http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4777812.stm


Ecstasy warning as boys collapse

Police have warned people not to take tablets from a possible rogue batch
of ecstasy after two teenagers were rushed to hospital from a Swansea
nightclub.

Officers are warning anyone who bought similar large blue tablets to the
teenagers to seek medical treatment.

The boys, aged 15 to 16, are believed to have bought the tablets in the
Port Talbot area.

They were taken to Morriston Hospital by ambulance from the Escape
nightclub early on Sunday morning.

One of the boys was put on a ventilator in hospital but on Monday police
said both were now in a stable condition.

Offices are urging anyone who has bought similar tablets to the pair to
get rid of them immediately and seek medical help.

Illicit drugs

Det Ch Insp Peter Azzopardi said the incident involving two youth could
have resulted in death with "the extreme consequences for families,
friends and those involved in the supply of such substances".

Mr Azzopardi said there were number of treatment agencies that could offer
advice including the West Glamorgan Council on Alcohol and Drug Abuse, the
Swansea Drugs Project and Bro Morgannwg Health Trust.

"This is another example of the type of misery that suppliers of illicit
drugs can inflict on our communities," he said.

Aneurin Owen, from the north Wales drug and alcohol agency Cais, told BBC
Wales events like this were quite unusual.

"When you think that millions of young people use ecstasy every week,
these incidents are fairly rare," he said.

"The main risk around ecstasy is the unpredictability of the quality and
therefore the risks are very high even for those who are using ecstasy
recreationally, maybe even for the first time, as we know.

"People should only take it from people that they know, that they have had
drugs from in the past, obviously and take very great care.

"The police have issued this warning [and] the word is on the street now."

Anyone with information about this incident or drug dealing in general is
asked to contact Crimestoppers on 0800 555111 or Swansea and Neath Police
on 01792 456999.

-- 
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather 
let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife"

On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:00:50 +0000, Phil Stovell 
wrote:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4777812.stm
>
>
>Ecstasy warning as boys collapse
>
>Police have warned people not to take tablets from a possible rogue batch
>of ecstasy after two teenagers were rushed to hospital from a Swansea
>nightclub.
>
>Officers are warning anyone who bought similar large blue tablets to the
>teenagers to seek medical treatment.
>
>The boys, aged 15 to 16, are believed to have bought the tablets in the
>Port Talbot area.
>
>They were taken to Morriston Hospital by ambulance from the Escape
>nightclub early on Sunday morning.
>
>One of the boys was put on a ventilator in hospital but on Monday police
>said both were now in a stable condition.
>
>Offices are urging anyone who has bought similar tablets to the pair to
>get rid of them immediately and seek medical help.
>
>Illicit drugs
>
>Det Ch Insp Peter Azzopardi said the incident involving two youth could
>have resulted in death with "the extreme consequences for families,
>friends and those involved in the supply of such substances".
>
>Mr Azzopardi said there were number of treatment agencies that could offer
>advice including the West Glamorgan Council on Alcohol and Drug Abuse, the
>Swansea Drugs Project and Bro Morgannwg Health Trust.
>
>"This is another example of the type of misery that suppliers of illicit
>drugs can inflict on our communities," he said.
>
>Aneurin Owen, from the north Wales drug and alcohol agency Cais, told BBC
>Wales events like this were quite unusual.
>
>"When you think that millions of young people use ecstasy every week,
>these incidents are fairly rare," he said.
>
>"The main risk around ecstasy is the unpredictability of the quality and
>therefore the risks are very high even for those who are using ecstasy
>recreationally, maybe even for the first time, as we know.
>
>"People should only take it from people that they know, that they have had
>drugs from in the past, obviously and take very great care.
>
>"The police have issued this warning [and] the word is on the street now."
>
>Anyone with information about this incident or drug dealing in general is
>asked to contact Crimestoppers on 0800 555111 or Swansea and Neath Police
>on 01792 456999.

I wonder what's in those pills?

"Phil Stovell"  wrote in message 
news:pan.2006.03.06.12.00.47.607866@stovell.org.uk...
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4777812.stm
>
>
> Ecstasy warning as boys collapse
>
> Police have warned people not to take tablets from a possible rogue batch
> of ecstasy after two teenagers were rushed to hospital from a Swansea
> nightclub.
>
> Officers are warning anyone who bought similar large blue tablets to the
> teenagers to seek medical treatment.
>
> The boys, aged 15 to 16, are believed to have bought the tablets in the
> Port Talbot area.

Was it an under-18's night ?
If not, wtf were a 15 and 16 yr olds doing in a fucking nightclub.

Ahh...it's only alcohol, so it must be ok eh ?

Pretty crap night-club too.

-- 
Jez, MBA.,
Country Dancing and Advanced Astrology, UBS.

'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable notion 
that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often led to 
accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what that 
reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be skeptical of 
someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn

"dave"  wrote in message 
news:a1so025cuh7678qmuaa8302d9sduuc7i88@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:00:50 +0000, Phil Stovell 
> wrote:
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4777812.stm
>>
>>
>>Ecstasy warning as boys collapse
>>
>>Police have warned people not to take tablets from a possible rogue batch
>>of ecstasy after two teenagers were rushed to hospital from a Swansea
>>nightclub.
>>
>>Officers are warning anyone who bought similar large blue tablets to the
>>teenagers to seek medical treatment.
>>
>>The boys, aged 15 to 16, are believed to have bought the tablets in the
>>Port Talbot area.
>>
>>They were taken to Morriston Hospital by ambulance from the Escape
>>nightclub early on Sunday morning.
>>
>>One of the boys was put on a ventilator in hospital but on Monday police
>>said both were now in a stable condition.
>>
>>Offices are urging anyone who has bought similar tablets to the pair to
>>get rid of them immediately and seek medical help.
>>
>>Illicit drugs
>>
>>Det Ch Insp Peter Azzopardi said the incident involving two youth could
>>have resulted in death with "the extreme consequences for families,
>>friends and those involved in the supply of such substances".
>>
>>Mr Azzopardi said there were number of treatment agencies that could offer
>>advice including the West Glamorgan Council on Alcohol and Drug Abuse, the
>>Swansea Drugs Project and Bro Morgannwg Health Trust.
>>
>>"This is another example of the type of misery that suppliers of illicit
>>drugs can inflict on our communities," he said.
>>
>>Aneurin Owen, from the north Wales drug and alcohol agency Cais, told BBC
>>Wales events like this were quite unusual.
>>
>>"When you think that millions of young people use ecstasy every week,
>>these incidents are fairly rare," he said.
>>
>>"The main risk around ecstasy is the unpredictability of the quality and
>>therefore the risks are very high even for those who are using ecstasy
>>recreationally, maybe even for the first time, as we know.
>>
>>"People should only take it from people that they know, that they have had
>>drugs from in the past, obviously and take very great care.
>>
>>"The police have issued this warning [and] the word is on the street now."
>>
>>Anyone with information about this incident or drug dealing in general is
>>asked to contact Crimestoppers on 0800 555111 or Swansea and Neath Police
>>on 01792 456999.
>
> I wonder what's in those pills?

100% Meth?

On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 18:04:11 -0500 "wolfbane"  waved
a wand and this message magically appeared:

> > I wonder what's in those pills?
> 
> 100% Meth? 

Probably PMA, that's my best guess.

-- 
http://www.munted.org.uk

"Honestly, what can I possibly say to get you into my bed?" - Anon.

On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:00:50 +0000, Phil Stovell 
wrote:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4777812.stm
>

>
>Aneurin Owen, from the north Wales drug and alcohol agency Cais, told BBC
>Wales events like this were quite unusual.
>
>"When you think that millions of young people use ecstasy every week,
>these incidents are fairly rare," he said.
>
>"The main risk around ecstasy is the unpredictability of the quality and
>therefore the risks are very high even for those who are using ecstasy
>recreationally, maybe even for the first time, as we know.
>
>"People should only take it from people that they know, that they have had
>drugs from in the past, obviously and take very great care.

Good to see the BBC printing stuff like this in addition to the
predictable police responses...

On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:00:50 +0000, Phil Stovell
 wrote:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4777812.stm
>
>
>Ecstasy warning as boys collapse
>
>Police have warned people not to take tablets from a possible rogue batch
>of ecstasy after two teenagers were rushed to hospital from a Swansea
>nightclub.

Only 7% of Ecstasy deaths are due to MDMA alone. Most people who
die from Ecstasy use are using other drugs too, mostly opiates.

<quote>
Most people who died from taking ecstasy were white employed men
in their late 20s, known to services as drug addicts, and died
at home. Typically, the deceased took several different
(prescribed and non-prescribed) drugs with ecstasy; the large
number of people who also took opiates seems surprising but
confirms previous findings and may explain why a high proportion
of the victims were known to services. People may have taken
ecstasy with other drugs to modulate the effectsecstasy had, at
least, a facilitating role in causing death. A small proportion
of people (6/81; 7%) died after taking only ecstasy.
</quote>

from:

"Review of deaths related to taking ecstasy, England and Wales,
1997-2000"
<http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/326/7380/80?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=ecstasy&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1141983279378_2213&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1>
BMJ 2003;326:80-81 ( 11 January )
by: Fabrizio Schifano, senior lecturer, Adenekan Oyefeso, senior
lecturer, Lucy Webb, research nurse, Mike Pollard, database
officer, John Corkery, honorary senior research fellow, A Hamid
Ghodse, chairman.

On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:00:50 +0000, Phil Stovell
 wrote:

>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4777812.stm
>
>Ecstasy warning as boys collapse
>
>Police have warned people not to take tablets from a possible rogue batch
>of ecstasy after two teenagers were rushed to hospital from a Swansea
>nightclub.

Chart comparing drug deaths:
<http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/content/vol325/issue7359/images/medium/16932.gif>

with associated text:
<http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/325/7359/296?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=ecstasy&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1141984582411_2633&FIRSTINDEX=10&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1>
Ecstasy is low in league table of major causes of deaths 
Claire McKenna, BMJ 

Both the Daily Mail and the BBC covered a story at the end of
July, referring to the increase in deaths for ecstasy from 36 in
2000 to 56 in 2001. Above, the BMJ compares deaths from ecstasy
with other causes of death in England and Wales in 2000. Smoking
related deaths top the table, with an estimated 104000 deaths
that year. 

Ecstasy search from BMJ; 118 results found.
<http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/search?loct=ehom&andorexactfulltext=and&resourcetype=1&disp_type=&sortspec=relevance&author1=&fulltext=ecstasy>

On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 09:50:26 GMT, Jasbird 
wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 12:00:50 +0000, Phil Stovell
> wrote:
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4777812.stm
>>
>>Ecstasy warning as boys collapse
>>
>>Police have warned people not to take tablets from a possible rogue batch
>>of ecstasy after two teenagers were rushed to hospital from a Swansea
>>nightclub.
>
>Only 7% of Ecstasy deaths are due to MDMA alone. Most people who
>die from Ecstasy use are using other drugs too, mostly opiates.
>
><quote>
>Most people who died from taking ecstasy were white employed men
>in their late 20s, known to services as drug addicts, and died
>at home. Typically, the deceased took several different
>(prescribed and non-prescribed) drugs with ecstasy; the large
>number of people who also took opiates seems surprising but
>confirms previous findings and may explain why a high proportion
>of the victims were known to services. People may have taken
>ecstasy with other drugs to modulate the effectsecstasy had, at
>least, a facilitating role in causing death. A small proportion
>of people (6/81; 7%) died after taking only ecstasy.
></quote>
>
>from:
>
>"Review of deaths related to taking ecstasy, England and Wales,
>1997-2000"
><http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/326/7380/80?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=ecstasy&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1141983279378_2213&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1>
>BMJ 2003;326:80-81 ( 11 January )
>by: Fabrizio Schifano, senior lecturer, Adenekan Oyefeso, senior
>lecturer, Lucy Webb, research nurse, Mike Pollard, database
>officer, John Corkery, honorary senior research fellow, A Hamid
>Ghodse, chairman.

Alcohol use was also very common ... "(60%) of our cases had
notable concentrations of ethanol in either blood or urine"

<http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/326/7393/823/b?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=ecstasy&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1141983279378_2213&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1>
BMJ 2003;326:823 ( 12 April ), Letters

"Dataset on deaths related to taking ecstasy looks incomplete"

EDITOR - I wonder whether the data of Schifano et al, on deaths
related to taking ecstasy in England and Wales, are complete.[1]
During their study (1 August 1997 to 31 July 2000), 45 coroners'
cases in which the toxicological findings indicated that one of
the "ecstasy" group of drugs was implicated in the cause of
death were investigated in my laboratory. It is unlikely that we
received more than half of the samples related to ecstasy deaths
in England and Wales. This implies that the way in which
coroners, or their pathologists, incorporate toxicological
findings in their causes of death is not uniform. Future studies
could use not only the coroners' reports but also the original
toxicology and pathology reports. 

Our data contain some additional information that complements
those of Schifano et al. Twenty seven (60%) of our cases had
notable concentrations of ethanol in either blood or urine. In
many cases the urine alcohol concentration was higher than the
blood concentration, presumably reflecting the prolonged agonal
process often associated with fatal ecstasy misuse. In the
investigation of any drug misuse death blood, urine, and stomach
contents should be analysed whenever they are available. 

In none of our cases was methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) alone
detected. Tablets containing only MDA are uncommon. Thus some of
the deaths reported by coroners as being due to MDA alone may
reflect the mistranscription of the toxicological data placed in
evidence at the inquest. 

Morphine was detected in 16 (36%) of our cases. Most of these
probably reflect concomitant heroin use. Methadone was found in
only four cases (9%). Benzodiazepines, (either diazepam or
temazepam or both) were found in eight cases (18%). Other
prescription only medicines found in less than 10% of our cases
included selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, tricyclic
antidepressants, and phenothiazines. 

	-	-	-	-	-
A R W Forrest, professor of toxicology. 
University of Sheffield, Medico-legal Centre, Sheffield S3 7ER
r.forrest@sheffield.ac.uk
Competing interests: None declared. 

1.  Schifano F, Oyefeso A, Webb L, Pollard M, Corkery J, Ghodse
AH. Review of deaths related to taking ecstasy, England and
Wales, 1997-2000. BMJ 2003; 326: 80-81[Free Full Text]. (11
January.)

"Alex Buell"  wrote in message 
news:20060306230828.e6b5576e.alex.buell@munted.org.uk...
>
> Probably PMA, that's my best guess.
>
> -- 
> http://www.munted.org.uk
>
> "Honestly, what can I possibly say to get you into my bed?" - Anon.

we've had a few reports of these on our board from users all arond the UK

http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8012

definitely seems like PMA. Nasty stuff

Alex (Mr R@t / General Lighting)

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:42:42 -0000, "Mr R@t \(2.30 zulu-india\)"
 wrote:

>
>"Alex Buell"  wrote in message 
>news:20060306230828.e6b5576e.alex.buell@munted.org.uk...
>>
>> Probably PMA, that's my best guess.
>>
>> http://www.munted.org.uk
>>
>> "Honestly, what can I possibly say to get you into my bed?" - Anon.
>
>we've had a few reports of these on our board from users all arond the UK
>
>http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8012
>
>definitely seems like PMA. Nasty stuff
>
>Alex (Mr R@t / General Lighting) 

PMA is not so bad when taken at a low dose. But the overdose
threshold is very low so it is a dangerous drug. Unfortunately,
because some people actually like it (at low dose) it has a
reputation for being OK (among a certain class of people). It is
also much easier to make than MDMA because there is no way the
precursor chemicals can be controlled.

On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:42:42 +0000, Mr R@t (2.30 zulu-india) wrote:

> 
> "Alex Buell"  wrote in message
> news:20060306230828.e6b5576e.alex.buell@munted.org.uk...
>>
>> Probably PMA, that's my best guess.
>>
>> --
>> http://www.munted.org.uk
>>
>> "Honestly, what can I possibly say to get you into my bed?" - Anon.
> 
> we've had a few reports of these on our board from users all arond the UK
> 
> http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8012
> 
> definitely seems like PMA. Nasty stuff
> 
> Alex (Mr R@t / General Lighting)

Even if they are fake Es, the bannit and lockemup press will still call
them Es and demand another crack down.

-- 
Phil Stovell, South Hampshire, UK

"They said I should not take him to the police, but rather 
let him pay a dowry for my goat because he used it as his wife"