I haven't been clubbing since 1 July. But I was wondering whether clubs in 
general were taking a softly-softly approach on smoking, or whether they've 
become total nazis like the pubs.

I read in Time Out that The End was taking a softly-softly approach, but I 
bet now that that has come out in the press, they'll have to clamp down on 
it. So please do not name names of clubs in the answer to this post, just 
in case.

But I would be heartened to know that clubs are not becoming health 
fascists over this.... or else I'll only be going to squat parties from now 
on.

In the clubs where they're being twattish (and where they don't have a 
Renaissance Rooms type garden), do they allow the munter to go outside? If 
so, do they stamp your hand? 

I don't want this to turn into a smoking debate, and if you feel 
passionately about antismoking and think the ban is a good thing, please 
don't turn it into one. Please remember the essence of PLUR :-)

Considering clubs are all meant to provide a chill-out area where munters 
can relax, drink water, and "come down" a little, it would be contrary to 
all that if they were to say that you can't smoke inside. However you look 
at it, and whatever your personal view of smoking is, a smoking ban in 
clubs will kill the club-scene. It's one thing for pubs to say "OK we will 
lose 10% profit, but our clientele will be replaced by people who don't 
normally go to pubs so it won't matter too much blah blah blah". But do you 
really want the clientele of the Fridge, the Rocket, Turnmills, Heaven, etc 
etc to change? Exactly.

Furthermore, do you have any idea what all that sweat is going to smell 
like without the fug of the fag?

So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
on the whole turning a blind eye to this Nazi-inspired idea (yep, they were 
the first to go antismoking, look it up...)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)

In article ,
Tristán White  writes
>So, without naming names of specific clubs, please tell me that clubs are 
>on the whole turning a blind eye 

Well, I was in Hidden that has a chill-out area outside where you can
smoke, but you can't smoke inside. And Fire also lets you go outside,
stamps you and then you go back. Soho and Westminster is a no-no
anywhere. So I'm afraid not they are not turning a blind eye.

I was in New Zealand two years ago when they had exactly the same
smoking ban and they also started in the summer (I was there Jan-March).
During my time there, the bars and clubs where you could go out and
smoke did OK, but the ones where you couldn't started closing (in
Auckland). The whole vibe changed because clubs opened up their back
doors to their parking areas (they have lots of space in Auckland!)
and half of the people were inside and half were outside smoking. Which
means there were not enough people anywhere.

I expect something like this will happen here. Some Soho dives will
close, clubs like the Cross, Renaissance Rooms, Hidden etc will be OK,
but others... indeed, I wonder what the Fridge will do. 

-- 
JohnM (who gave up a long time ago)