Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do 
I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to 
promote my music. Any suggestions people?

Cheers,
Luke

www.soundclick.com/pentultima

On Oct 27, 3:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima

Luke:

There are serveral in this group who offer pretty decent criticism/
comment for tunes posted here - RichL amung them.  You could always
load it, let us have a listen, then, take it back down if you are
looking for comment from us masses.  Being the fine experts we
are. ;-)

I, for one, would love to hear your rendition of it.  Why not scratch-
track it and post?

dugjustdug  wrote:
> On Oct 27, 3:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but
>> what do I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band
>> at present to promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luke
>>
>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>
> Luke:
>
> There are serveral in this group who offer pretty decent criticism/
> comment for tunes posted here - RichL amung them.  You could always
> load it, let us have a listen, then, take it back down if you are
> looking for comment from us masses.  Being the fine experts we
> are. ;-)
>
> I, for one, would love to hear your rendition of it.  Why not scratch-
> track it and post?

If he really thinks he's got a killer tune *AND* he wants to make money
from it, I wouldn't go that route if I were him.  Even if he leaves the
song up for a day and doesn't allow downloads, there's a chance some
enterprising and amoral soul will rip it and later claim it as his own.

On Oct 27, 3:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima

What Leavitt says in several posts -except for crossposting- I don't
personally give a fat baby's dick whether people crosspost or not.

Yeah Luke, keep writing. Set it aside temporarily- it's yours and
it's original. Hold on man. The entire music industry began to rot
MANY
years before 12/07 when This Great Recession began. This POS is
going to be with us for several more years while _______'s watch a
pot boil...

IMO, it'll take the emergence of a hot new CD replacement technology
combined with the emergence of the entire US economy from this
turd, FURTHER combined with the emergence of an energizing,
positive upswing FRESH sound in music that gets people back out
on dance floors party'n like it's 1945 baby! A triumverate
convergence
if you will. Timing *IS* everything once the *OTHER* "things" are
in place. Keep going man and if you need a break-breather for creative
shed purposes, there's NO better time than THESE DAYS.

Good luck! :-) M

"RichL"  wrote in message 
news:qrOdnaZ68bVaHHrXnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@supernews.com...
> dugjustdug  wrote:
>> On Oct 27, 3:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but
>>> what do I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band
>>> at present to promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Luke
>>>
>>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>>
>> Luke:
>>
>> There are serveral in this group who offer pretty decent criticism/
>> comment for tunes posted here - RichL amung them.  You could always
>> load it, let us have a listen, then, take it back down if you are
>> looking for comment from us masses.  Being the fine experts we
>> are. ;-)
>>
>> I, for one, would love to hear your rendition of it.  Why not scratch-
>> track it and post?
>
> If he really thinks he's got a killer tune *AND* he wants to make money
> from it, I wouldn't go that route if I were him.  Even if he leaves the
> song up for a day and doesn't allow downloads, there's a chance some
> enterprising and amoral soul will rip it and later claim it as his own.

Exactly Rich..a lifetime of writing experience gone in a minute of download. 
This one I want to push to where I think it belongs..Im going to try 
publishers first in Australia but am quite shocked at the inital responses 
I've received or read online..."we dont accept new works , havent since 
2005" wt?? or...dont send us your works..we will contact YOU if we want to 
sign you  up"...well yeah I get your drift..lol..

"dugjustdug"  wrote in message 
news:4d0462af-364b-4010-9deb-65f681817ad9@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 27, 3:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
> do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima

Luke:

There are serveral in this group who offer pretty decent criticism/
comment for tunes posted here - RichL amung them.  You could always
load it, let us have a listen, then, take it back down if you are
looking for comment from us masses.  Being the fine experts we
are. ;-)

I, for one, would love to hear your rendition of it.  Why not scratch-
track it and post?

Hi dug ty for your interest but this one I cant share sorry..all I can say 
is it sounds like a cross between, Cream, Led Zep and Mark Knopfler...I hope 
that helps..

Cheers,
Luke

":-)"  wrote in message 
news:95d0577b-aacc-4e99-958a-ec358486316a@m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 27, 3:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
> do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima

What Leavitt says in several posts -except for crossposting- I don't
personally give a fat baby's dick whether people crosspost or not.

Yeah Luke, keep writing. Set it aside temporarily- it's yours and
it's original. Hold on man. The entire music industry began to rot
MANY
years before 12/07 when This Great Recession began. This POS is
going to be with us for several more years while _______'s watch a
pot boil...

IMO, it'll take the emergence of a hot new CD replacement technology
combined with the emergence of the entire US economy from this
turd, FURTHER combined with the emergence of an energizing,
positive upswing FRESH sound in music that gets people back out
on dance floors party'n like it's 1945 baby! A triumverate
convergence
if you will. Timing *IS* everything once the *OTHER* "things" are
in place. Keep going man and if you need a break-breather for creative
shed purposes, there's NO better time than THESE DAYS.

Good luck! :-) M

Thanks, M. Good Luck to you too.

Cheers,

Luke :)

Lu R wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do 
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to 
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
> 
> Cheers,
> Luke
> 
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
> 
> 


I think you have to rent Headley Grange to record it in. I'd
skip all the Alistair Crowley nonsense.

--
Les Cargill

"Les Cargill"  wrote in message 
news:hc827f$p8i$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> Lu R wrote:
>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
>> do I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present 
>> to promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luke
>>
>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>>
>>
>
>
> I think you have to rent Headley Grange to record it in. I'd
> skip all the Alistair Crowley nonsense.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

Lol nice tip Les but unfortunately...

"Today the house is a private residence."

":-)"  wrote in message 
news:95d0577b-aacc-4e99-958a-ec358486316a@m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>> What Leavitt says in several posts -except for crossposting- I don't 
>> personally give a fat baby's dick whether people crosspost or not.

Yeah Luke, keep writing. Set it aside temporarily- it's yours and it's 
original. Hold on man. The entire music industry began to rot MANY years 
before 12/07 when This Great Recession began. This POS is going to be with 
us for several more years while _______'s watch a pot boil...

IMO, it'll take the emergence of a hot new CD replacement technology 
combined with the emergence of the entire US economy from this turd, FURTHER 
combined with the emergence of an energizing, positive upswing FRESH sound 
in music that gets people back out on dance floors party'n like it's 1945 
baby! A triumverate convergence if you will. Timing *IS* everything once the 
*OTHER* "things" are in place. Keep going man and if you need a 
break-breather for creative shed purposes, there's NO better time than THESE 
DAYS.

Good luck! :-) M <<

You're either very drunk or on strong meds, right?

Oh wait - you're American.

Steve
-- 
http://www.fivetrees.com

Lu R wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do 
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to 
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
> 
> Cheers,
> Luke
> 
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
> 
> 
If you're talking about "placing" a song, it is no easier now than it 
was ten years ago - far from it, as there are less opportunities and 
generally less cash floating around (which means less investment in bands).

Traditionally, you'd ask yourself what groups could cover it and then 
contact their publishers or managers. But I think you might want to find 
an up-and-coming band, and try and bend their arms. You'll need one that 
gigs a lot, has an enigmatic frontman and seems destined to great 
things. If you hold onto the publishing, you could bet on successive 
horses if the chosen one falls at the first hurdle. In other words, you 
have to become the publisher that you are looking for.

However, you might as well know that I consider a good song as a 
lifelong blessing/curse. You'll be pitching, promoting and (hopefully) 
tracking usage for the rest of your life. Make sure you really like it 
before you start!


Michael
http://www.a-lyric.com/

On Oct 27, 10:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?

One song is not going to be enough. Write some more, and you'll have a
better chance of getting the attention of more people. Get your songs
on Bandcamp, ReverbNation or even (hopeless but it gets attention)
Myspace. Bandcamp is probably the best, as you've got so much
flexibility with regard to selling your music. Make lots of friends
and be nice to people :)


adrian

"Adrian Clark"  wrote in message 
news:3fddcbdf-c639-474c-a4c2-40b2706d9ff9@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 27, 10:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
> do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?

One song is not going to be enough. Write some more, and you'll have a
better chance of getting the attention of more people. Get your songs
on Bandcamp, ReverbNation or even (hopeless but it gets attention)
Myspace. Bandcamp is probably the best, as you've got so much
flexibility with regard to selling your music. Make lots of friends
and be nice to people :)


adrian

Thanks Adrian I joined Bandcamp. Man I hate registering and all the bs that 
goes with it lol..

Cheers,
 Luke

On Oct 27, 6:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima

Put the bucks into self publish, produce, distribute.....or get a
music lawyer, lables will shitcan anything not represented by such.
Unless your uncle owns matchbook records A.D.D. RULES!

"Michael"  wrote in message 
news:hc8ugv$jlb$1@news.datemas.de...
> Lu R wrote:
>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
>> do I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present 
>> to promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luke
>>
>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>>
>>
> If you're talking about "placing" a song, it is no easier now than it was 
> ten years ago - far from it, as there are less opportunities and generally 
> less cash floating around (which means less investment in bands).
>
> Traditionally, you'd ask yourself what groups could cover it and then 
> contact their publishers or managers. But I think you might want to find 
> an up-and-coming band, and try and bend their arms. You'll need one that 
> gigs a lot, has an enigmatic frontman and seems destined to great things. 
> If you hold onto the publishing, you could bet on successive horses if the 
> chosen one falls at the first hurdle. In other words, you have to become 
> the publisher that you are looking for.
>
> However, you might as well know that I consider a good song as a lifelong 
> blessing/curse. You'll be pitching, promoting and (hopefully) tracking 
> usage for the rest of your life. Make sure you really like it before you 
> start!
>
>
> Michael
> http://www.a-lyric.com/

Thanks Michael. Its pretty tough feeling high about something you create 
then facing the ugly realities of what lies ahead to get it "up there"...I 
think I may just see how it goes online rather than chase the "dark 
horse"...

Cheers, Luke

"Lu R"  wrote in message 
news:4ae774eb$0$6093$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
> do I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present 
> to promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima

Congrats

the good news is writing it

the bad news is 'now'!

guitars are kind of retro.......

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

Gill Smith wrote:

> Congrats
> 
> the good news is writing it
> 
> the bad news is 'now'!
> 
> guitars are kind of retro.......

Really? Do you listen to current pop/rock radio at all? I do for a 
number of reasons: My kid puts that station on when she uses my car, so 
I get blasted with it when I start up in the morning. I hear that stuff 
coming out of her room. I run a little rock band as an extra-curricular 
activity at the school where I teach (not music), and I listen to the 
stuff the kids want to play. Current pop/rock music is everwhere.
And what do I hear? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
Can I find a bass player or a drummer for the school rock band? It's 
always difficult. Keyboard players are around 'cause of all the kids 
with piano lessons. And the creative, learn-on-their-own and 
write-their-own-songs kids? Guitar, guitar, guitar.

"Lu R" wrote in message
>..but what do  I do next?



stop crossposting?



-- 
no66y©
no66y AT gmx DOT co DOT uk

In <bK_Fm.50588$PH1.4320@edtnps82>, Sean wrote:

<snip>

> I run a little rock band as an
> extra-curricular activity at the school where I teach (not music),
> and I listen to the stuff the kids want to play. Current pop/rock
> music is everwhere. And what do I hear? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
> Can I find a bass player or a drummer for the school rock band? It's
> always difficult. Keyboard players are around 'cause of all the kids
> with piano lessons. And the creative, learn-on-their-own and
> write-their-own-songs kids? Guitar, guitar, guitar.

And guitar, of course. (I can't imagine why you left that out.)

In my own experience, drummers are easy to find - but that may be 
because one of my sons is a drummer. Bassists, though...

-- 
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line vacant - apply within

On Oct 28, 4:50 pm, "Gill Smith" 
wrote:

> guitars are kind of retro......

Do you live in 1982?


adrian

":-)"  wrote
Nah, no drink, no drugs.
<snipped >
Do you feel me son? Ack ack ack. :-) M

Lu R,

This is why crossposting is such a bad idea.

The above is the product of a verbose poster called Mark V Mulay. I 
unsubscribed from Alt.Guitar.Amps, as I was heartily sick of this 
nymshifting troll, who is seemingly on a mission to destroy the newsgroup.

Now he's in UKMG. Thanks a lot.

Read the FAQ and get a clue.

Have a nice day.

*plonk*

"Gill Smith"  wrote in message 
news:itidnX3xcu7B63XXnZ2dnUVZ8tqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
> "Lu R"  wrote in message 
> news:4ae774eb$0$6093$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
>> do I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present 
>> to promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luke
>>
>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>
> Congrats
>
> the good news is writing it
>
> the bad news is 'now'!
>
> guitars are kind of retro.......
>
> --
> http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

 Are you Gary Numan by chance?

Adrian Clark wrote:
> On Oct 28, 4:50 pm, "Gill Smith" 
> wrote:
> 
>> guitars are kind of retro......
> 
> Do you live in 1982?
> 
> 
> adrian

Adrian! Yo, Adrian!

"Winter Thames Sunset" sounds awesome. Nice work.

--
Les Cargill

"Adrian Clark"  wrote in message 
news:3fddcbdf-c639-474c-a4c2-40b2706d9ff9@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 27, 10:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
> do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?

One song is not going to be enough. Write some more, and you'll have a
better chance of getting the attention of more people. Get your songs
on Bandcamp, ReverbNation or even (hopeless but it gets attention)
Myspace. Bandcamp is probably the best, as you've got so much
flexibility with regard to selling your music. Make lots of friends
and be nice to people :)


adrian

Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit the 
playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip as a 
flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that 
site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...

Richard Heathfield wrote:
> In <bK_Fm.50588$PH1.4320@edtnps82>, Sean wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> I run a little rock band as an
>> extra-curricular activity at the school where I teach (not music),
>> and I listen to the stuff the kids want to play. Current pop/rock
>> music is everwhere. And what do I hear? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
>> Can I find a bass player or a drummer for the school rock band? It's
>> always difficult. Keyboard players are around 'cause of all the kids
>> with piano lessons. And the creative, learn-on-their-own and
>> write-their-own-songs kids? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
> 
> And guitar, of course. (I can't imagine why you left that out.)
> 
> In my own experience, drummers are easy to find - but that may be 
> because one of my sons is a drummer. Bassists, though...
> 

It's an all girls school. Drummers come along, but not as often as when 
there are boys around.

In <Wu4Gm.49728$Db2.1416@edtnps83>, Sean wrote:

> Richard Heathfield wrote:

<snip>

>> In my own experience, drummers are easy to find - but that may be
>> because one of my sons is a drummer. Bassists, though...
>> 
> 
> It's an all girls school. Drummers come along, but not as often as
> when there are boys around.

Sorry to hear that. I'm a bit more fortunate than you, I think. If we 
only count people I know personally and have current telephone 
numbers for (i.e. people who, at a pinch, might be prepared to do a 
gig for me at short notice), I know four drummers (excluding those 
for whom it is not their primary instrument). They are all under the 
age of 20, and two of them are girls.

-- 
Richard Heathfield <http://www.cpax.org.uk>
Email: -http://www. +rjh@
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line vacant - apply within

On 10/28/2009 6:29 PM, Lu R wrote:

[...]
> Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit the 
> playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip as a 
> flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that 
> site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry... 

There's a way on SoundClick to limit the length of a song to 'demo'?
I've always just uploaded snippets of the songs when I needed this
feature. Am I over looking something?

-- 
Steve
..............................
   P R O J E C T - 4 3
   http://www.project-43.com/
   The Future of Classic Rock
..............................
   Follow us on Twitter!
   http://twitter.com/project43

On 10/28/2009 6:29 PM, Lu R wrote:
> Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit the 
> playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip as a 
> flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that 
> site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry... 

Don't know if this has been thought about, but....

Why not just trim the recording to a shorter length _before_ uploading
it?

Andy.

-- 
Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/
XPN 1.2.6 | Leafnode 1.11.7.rc1 | kernel 2.6.28-15-generic

On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:32:21 +1100, "Lu R"  wrote:

>Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do 
>I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to 
>promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
>Cheers,
>Luke
>
>www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>

Worthless until we can hear it.


-- 
http://www.Reviewmymusicnow.com
http://www.Gearforumz.com
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=789610

"Sean"  wrote in message 
news:bK_Fm.50588$PH1.4320@edtnps82...
> Gill Smith wrote:
>
>> Congrats
>>
>> the good news is writing it
>>
>> the bad news is 'now'!
>>
>> guitars are kind of retro.......
>
> Really? Do you listen to current pop/rock radio at all? I do for a number 
> of reasons: My kid puts that station on when she uses my car, so I get 
> blasted with it when I start up in the morning. I hear that stuff coming 
> out of her room. I run a little rock band as an extra-curricular activity 
> at the school where I teach (not music), and I listen to the stuff the 
> kids want to play. Current pop/rock music is everwhere.
> And what do I hear? Guitar, guitar, guitar.
> Can I find a bass player or a drummer for the school rock band? It's 
> always difficult. Keyboard players are around 'cause of all the kids with 
> piano lessons. And the creative, learn-on-their-own and 
> write-their-own-songs kids? Guitar, guitar, guitar.

my Sunday homework is the chart show

sure there's guitars in the mix

but the age of guitar heroes is long past

guitars - live acts, even! - are all but extinct on R1, BBC yoof music radio

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

"Andy" <no@spam> wrote in message 
news:sveor6-qb3.ln1@unique_and_different_just_like_everyone_else.westnet.com.au...
> On 10/28/2009 6:29 PM, Lu R wrote:
>> Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit 
>> the
>> playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip 
>> as a
>> flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
>> site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...
>
> Don't know if this has been thought about, but....
>
> Why not just trim the recording to a shorter length _before_ uploading
> it?
>
> Andy.

Problem then is when someone wants to maybe buy the song they end up with 
the shortened version. On soundclick, you can turn ON EXCLUSIVITY in the mp3 
store to limit all songs to 2 mins but they will still sell as full length 
music when bought. Luke

On Oct 27, 6:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima

If you feel strongly about this, you could always copy write it, put
together a *real* video, load it up everywhere you can & go
viral...give yourself the best chance for exposure & possible
interest.  Odds aren't in your (or anyone's) favor going the
traditional record contract route anymore.

-d

dvaoa wrote:
> On Oct 27, 6:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
>> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
>> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luke
>>
>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
> 
> If you feel strongly about this, you could always copy write it, put
> together a *real* video, load it up everywhere you can & go
> viral...give yourself the best chance for exposure & possible
> interest.  Odds aren't in your (or anyone's) favor going the
> traditional record contract route anymore.
> 
> -d

That might work, but I'd recommend copyrighting it instead.

"Sean"  wrote in message 
news:usDGm.49844$Db2.2086@edtnps83...
> dvaoa wrote:
>> On Oct 27, 6:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
>>> do
>>> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present 
>>> to
>>> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Luke
>>>
>>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>>
>> If you feel strongly about this, you could always copy write it, put
>> together a *real* video, load it up everywhere you can & go
>> viral...give yourself the best chance for exposure & possible
>> interest.  Odds aren't in your (or anyone's) favor going the
>> traditional record contract route anymore.
>>
>> -d
>
> That might work, but I'd recommend copyrighting it instead.

A few years ago, the accepted way of getting famous/making money was to play 
live gigs, in the hope of getting "discovered" and getting a recording 
contract.
The CD sales would then make the money for you.
That has now turned around completely.
You put together (and copyright!) your own music, online, CD, whatever, in 
the hope that this will bring you live gigs.
The gigs now make the money, not the recordings, 'cos everyone downloads or 
uses Spotify/whatever for free or very little money outlay.

George

On Oct 29, 12:14 am, Les Cargill  wrote:

> Adrian! Yo, Adrian!
>
> "Winter Thames Sunset" sounds awesome. Nice work.

Hi Les! Thanks Les!


adrian

On Oct 29, 10:23 pm, "Gill Smith" 
wrote:

> my Sunday homework is the chart show
>
> sure there's guitars in the mix
>
> but the age of guitar heroes is long past
>
> guitars - live acts, even! - are all but extinct on R1, BBC yoof music radio

There's such a HUGE musical gulf between the "age of guitar heroes"
and the current Top 40. I wouldn't use either as a reliable indication
of anything.


adrian

dvaoa wrote:
> On Oct 27, 6:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what do
>> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present to
>> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luke
>>
>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
> 
> If you feel strongly about this, you could always copy write it, put
> together a *real* video, load it up everywhere you can & go
> viral...give yourself the best chance for exposure & possible
> interest.  Odds aren't in your (or anyone's) favor going the
> traditional record contract route anymore.
> 
> -d


A real video isn't that hard, either. Dunno what it'd
cost, but if you can "design" it (what, storyboarding?)
you can usually find some guy locally that'll being out
three or four HD cameras and mash it all up for ya.

And there's software to DIY, too.... been goofing around with
this meself, on little digital camera vids...

--
Les Cargill

"George Weston"  wrote in message 
news:7l0j9fF3bp0rmU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> A few years ago, the accepted way of getting famous/making money was to 
> play live gigs, in the hope of getting "discovered" and getting a 
> recording contract.
> The CD sales would then make the money for you.
> That has now turned around completely.
> You put together (and copyright!) your own music, online, CD, whatever, in 
> the hope that this will bring you live gigs.
> The gigs now make the money, not the recordings, 'cos everyone downloads 
> or uses Spotify/whatever for free or very little money outlay.

George he speak with unforked tongue. Wise man has spoken. Watch his smoke 
signals. (Golden Virginia, IIRC.)

The industry is changing. Kicking and screaming, mostly.

Briefly: the best way of "being successful" is to, err, be successful - i.e. 
build an audience. Don't depend on record companies - they're glorified 
banks anyway, who'll find every way possible of paying themselves first, and 
then paying you (if at all) a percentage of what's left (if anything). 
(After expenses - that cool limo? you pay. That backstage rider? you pay. 
The MTV video? guess what. Ain't no free lunch.)

However, if you build a brand, you're in control. Just remember to *stay* in 
control. There are ways of making money, but (and t'was ever thus) it's down 
to you. Not some fairy-godmother A&R dipshit, who'll have left the company 
in 6 months...

Steve
(in somewhat cynical mode, after dealing with client's intra-band lawyer 
crap earlier tonight)
-- 
http://www.fivetrees.com

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:38:23 -0000, "Steve at fivetrees"
 wrote:

>"George Weston"  wrote in message 
>news:7l0j9fF3bp0rmU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> A few years ago, the accepted way of getting famous/making money was to 
>> play live gigs, in the hope of getting "discovered" and getting a 
>> recording contract.
>> The CD sales would then make the money for you.
>> That has now turned around completely.
>> You put together (and copyright!) your own music, online, CD, whatever, in 
>> the hope that this will bring you live gigs.
>> The gigs now make the money, not the recordings, 'cos everyone downloads 
>> or uses Spotify/whatever for free or very little money outlay.
>
>George he speak with unforked tongue. Wise man has spoken. Watch his smoke 
>signals. (Golden Virginia, IIRC.)
>
>The industry is changing. Kicking and screaming, mostly.
>
>Briefly: the best way of "being successful" is to, err, be successful - i.e. 
>build an audience. Don't depend on record companies - they're glorified 
>banks anyway, who'll find every way possible of paying themselves first, and 
>then paying you (if at all) a percentage of what's left (if anything). 
>(After expenses - that cool limo? you pay. That backstage rider? you pay. 
>The MTV video? guess what. Ain't no free lunch.)
>
>However, if you build a brand, you're in control. Just remember to *stay* in 
>control. There are ways of making money, but (and t'was ever thus) it's down 
>to you. Not some fairy-godmother A&R dipshit, who'll have left the company 
>in 6 months...
>
>Steve
>(in somewhat cynical mode, after dealing with client's intra-band lawyer 
>crap earlier tonight)

As an addendum to that, if you ever do end up signing a contract,
insist that you are paid your royalties on the gross, not the net
profit. Record companies, like film producers NEVER make a net profit
on anything.

Pete

"Lu R"  wrote in message 
news:4ae774eb$0$6093$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what 
> do I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present 
> to promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>
> Cheers,
> Luke
>
> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
I hate that fucking song.

On Oct 28, 11:29 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>
> Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit the
> playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip as a
> flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
> site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...

That's a new one to me... hearing Soundclick described as "better"
than anything ;)

Don't take this the wrong way, but with just one song, are you really
in the position to start insisting on "demo only" clips? At the
moment, your primary job is to get people listening to what you've
done, so let them hear it! Give them the full whack and you'll make
more musical friends.


adrian

"Adrian Clark"  wrote
> On Oct 28, 11:29 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> >
> > Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit 
> > the
> > playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip 
> > as a
> > flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
> > site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...
>
> That's a new one to me... hearing Soundclick described as "better"
> than anything ;)
>
> Don't take this the wrong way, but with just one song, are you really
> in the position to start insisting on "demo only" clips? At the
> moment, your primary job is to get people listening to what you've
> done, so let them hear it! Give them the full whack and you'll make
> more musical friends.

My advice... publish the whole thing, at lower-res... then make
the hi-res version available for sale.  We really don't know if
you're any good unless we can hear the whole song.
__
Steve
.

"Stephen Cowell"  wrote in message 
news:hchflo$cav$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Adrian Clark"  wrote
>> On Oct 28, 11:29 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit 
>> > the
>> > playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip 
>> > as a
>> > flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
>> > site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...
>>
>> That's a new one to me... hearing Soundclick described as "better"
>> than anything ;)
>>
>> Don't take this the wrong way, but with just one song, are you really
>> in the position to start insisting on "demo only" clips? At the
>> moment, your primary job is to get people listening to what you've
>> done, so let them hear it! Give them the full whack and you'll make
>> more musical friends.
>
> My advice... publish the whole thing, at lower-res... then make
> the hi-res version available for sale.  We really don't know if
> you're any good unless we can hear the whole song.
> __
> Steve

I found out that soundclick do play the whole song in lofi, sorry about 
that. Dont sound too bad either :) Luke

wrote in message 
news:cs7ne5pthv9v536mcim601hscts6mgup12@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:38:23 -0000, "Steve at fivetrees"
>  wrote:
>
>>"George Weston"  wrote in message
>>news:7l0j9fF3bp0rmU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> A few years ago, the accepted way of getting famous/making money was to
>>> play live gigs, in the hope of getting "discovered" and getting a
>>> recording contract.
>>> The CD sales would then make the money for you.
>>> That has now turned around completely.
>>> You put together (and copyright!) your own music, online, CD, whatever, 
>>> in
>>> the hope that this will bring you live gigs.
>>> The gigs now make the money, not the recordings, 'cos everyone downloads
>>> or uses Spotify/whatever for free or very little money outlay.
>>
>>George he speak with unforked tongue. Wise man has spoken. Watch his smoke
>>signals. (Golden Virginia, IIRC.)
>>
>>The industry is changing. Kicking and screaming, mostly.
>>
>>Briefly: the best way of "being successful" is to, err, be successful - 
>>i.e.
>>build an audience. Don't depend on record companies - they're glorified
>>banks anyway, who'll find every way possible of paying themselves first, 
>>and
>>then paying you (if at all) a percentage of what's left (if anything).
>>(After expenses - that cool limo? you pay. That backstage rider? you pay.
>>The MTV video? guess what. Ain't no free lunch.)
>>
>>However, if you build a brand, you're in control. Just remember to *stay* 
>>in
>>control. There are ways of making money, but (and t'was ever thus) it's 
>>down
>>to you. Not some fairy-godmother A&R dipshit, who'll have left the company
>>in 6 months...
>>
>>Steve
>>(in somewhat cynical mode, after dealing with client's intra-band lawyer
>>crap earlier tonight)
>
> As an addendum to that, if you ever do end up signing a contract,
> insist that you are paid your royalties on the gross, not the net
> profit. Record companies, like film producers NEVER make a net profit
> on anything.
>
> Pete
Sounds like sound advice ty guys!

"Stephen Cowell"  wrote in message 
news:hchflo$cav$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> "Adrian Clark"  wrote
>> On Oct 28, 11:29 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me limit 
>> > the
>> > playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the clip 
>> > as a
>> > flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
>> > site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...
>>
>> That's a new one to me... hearing Soundclick described as "better"
>> than anything ;)
>>
>> Don't take this the wrong way, but with just one song, are you really
>> in the position to start insisting on "demo only" clips? At the
>> moment, your primary job is to get people listening to what you've
>> done, so let them hear it! Give them the full whack and you'll make
>> more musical friends.
>
> My advice... publish the whole thing, at lower-res... then make
> the hi-res version available for sale.  We really don't know if
> you're any good unless we can hear the whole song.

I've yet to like anything in hi-fi I didn't like in lo-fi

Motown's success in the 1960's was built on the tinny mono sound coming
out of a transistor radio speaker

A good tune, well-played, overcomes all obstacles, even language barriers

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

"Les Cargill"  wrote in message
news:hcfns9$sl0$2@news.eternal-september.org...
> dvaoa wrote:
>> On Oct 27, 6:32 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>>> Been writing for over 30 yrs and I think I've done it at last...but what
>>> do
>>> I do next? Publishing or record co? I dont have a live band at present
>>> to
>>> promote my music. Any suggestions people?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Luke
>>>
>>> www.soundclick.com/pentultima
>>
>> If you feel strongly about this, you could always copy write it, put
>> together a *real* video, load it up everywhere you can & go
>> viral...give yourself the best chance for exposure & possible
>> interest.  Odds aren't in your (or anyone's) favor going the
>> traditional record contract route anymore.
>>
>> -d
>
>
> A real video isn't that hard, either. Dunno what it'd
> cost, but if you can "design" it (what, storyboarding?)
> you can usually find some guy locally that'll being out
> three or four HD cameras and mash it all up for ya.
>
> And there's software to DIY, too.... been goofing around with
> this meself, on little digital camera vids...

A guy lives in my village writes and sings his own songs and did just that
very recently.
He enlisted the help of someone who's in the production game, borrowed  my
mate's swimming pool for the evening, together with some lights and a hose
(!) and did this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKm75YunYzQ
The man's clearly a complete nutter - he did this on a cold evening in
October.

George

"Gill Smith"  wrote in message 
news:wpSdnaUUGvBZyXHXnZ2dnUVZ8nKdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
> "Stephen Cowell"  wrote in message 
> news:hchflo$cav$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>
>> "Adrian Clark"  wrote
>>> On Oct 28, 11:29 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Well so much for bandcamp..uploaded 1 song there...it wont let me 
>>> > limit the
>>> > playing time to demo length at all..then my real player can dl the 
>>> > clip as a
>>> > flash video!! So much for getting anyone to buy music on that
>>> > site...soundclick is MUCH better sorry...
>>>
>>> That's a new one to me... hearing Soundclick described as "better"
>>> than anything ;)
>>>
>>> Don't take this the wrong way, but with just one song, are you really
>>> in the position to start insisting on "demo only" clips? At the
>>> moment, your primary job is to get people listening to what you've
>>> done, so let them hear it! Give them the full whack and you'll make
>>> more musical friends.
>>
>> My advice... publish the whole thing, at lower-res... then make
>> the hi-res version available for sale.  We really don't know if
>> you're any good unless we can hear the whole song.
>
> I've yet to like anything in hi-fi I didn't like in lo-fi
>
> Motown's success in the 1960's was built on the tinny mono sound coming
> out of a transistor radio speaker
>
> A good tune, well-played, overcomes all obstacles, even language barriers

Exactly... you'll be able to tell you like it, and you can get
the hifi version for bux, since you know you'll be listening
to it.  Used to be that the reason companies didn't care that
much about copying was that every generation brought degradation...
with perfect digital copying, the whole game is changed.
You have to give it away at low res, and offer the higher res
version over iTunes, etc.
__
Steve
.

"George Weston"  wrote in message 
news:7l3s3oF3c6ipoU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> A guy lives in my village writes and sings his own songs and did just that
> very recently.
> He enlisted the help of someone who's in the production game, borrowed  my
> mate's swimming pool for the evening, together with some lights and a hose
> (!) and did this:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKm75YunYzQ
> The man's clearly a complete nutter - he did this on a cold evening in
> October.

Enjoyed that. Hope he didn't catch his death.

Steve
-- 
http://www.fivetrees.com

"Steve at fivetrees"  wrote in message 
news:1aCdnWPmsuL8AW3XnZ2dnUVZ7o8AAAAA@pipex.net...
> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
> news:7l3s3oF3c6ipoU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> A guy lives in my village writes and sings his own songs and did just 
>> that
>> very recently.
>> He enlisted the help of someone who's in the production game, borrowed 
>> my
>> mate's swimming pool for the evening, together with some lights and a 
>> hose
>> (!) and did this:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKm75YunYzQ
>> The man's clearly a complete nutter - he did this on a cold evening in
>> October.
>
> Enjoyed that. Hope he didn't catch his death.

Nah - he's still about.
Until recently he was manager of the local supermarket and known to all and 
sundry locally as "Tesco Steve".
Suddenly he had what I'd call a mid-life crisis and left.
We're wondering what to call him now.
"Ex-Tesco Steve" is a bit silly and Seasick Steve is already taken...
;-)

George

"George Weston"  wrote in message 
news:7lblq6F3cjcqiU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> We're wondering what to call him now.
> "Ex-Tesco Steve" is a bit silly and Seasick Steve is already taken...

And I've nabbed "CatSick Steve" :-)

SteveW

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 22:08:44 -0000, "FatBoySlimFast"
 wrote:

>"George Weston"  wrote in message 
>news:7lblq6F3cjcqiU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> We're wondering what to call him now.
>> "Ex-Tesco Steve" is a bit silly and Seasick Steve is already taken...
>
>And I've nabbed "CatSick Steve" :-)
>
>SteveW 

And I've got 'DogShit Steve'...:-)

Not as good as my real blues name though, which is 'Sleepyfingers
Jones'.

Pete