I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
spectacles! Please send help!

Nige.

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Nige wrote:

> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
> spectacles! Please send help!

> Nige.

I have copied your post to:

<http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>

I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, even as 
we speak.

"JNugent"  wrote in message 
news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
> Nige wrote:
>
>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
>> spectacles! Please send help!
>
>> Nige.
>
> I have copied your post to:
>
> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>
> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, even 
> as we speak.

Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular forum.
Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn down 
into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what pickup 
setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the un-remastered cut of 
"I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that is, of course, as 
performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it was simply entitled 
"John's Rocker" - and so on......
You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the 
current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final 
(unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
Resist, before it's too late!
Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra until 
the feeling goes away:
"This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll do 
the Bruce Welch bit ;-)

George

"Nige"  wrote in message 
news:snowman1-F7B031.11181104102009@news.zen.co.uk...
>I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a
> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge
> spectacles! Please send help!
>

You need one of these really:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26383198@N03/3598045022/sizes/l/in/set-72157610802407686/

There's a "signature" on the headstock:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26383198@N03/3597221185/sizes/l/in/set-72157610802407686/

:-)

"George Weston"  wrote in message 
news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>> Nige wrote:
>>
>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>
>>> Nige.
>>
>> I have copied your post to:
>>
>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>
>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, even 
>> as we speak.
>
> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular 
> forum.
> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn down 
> into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what pickup 
> setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the un-remastered cut 
> of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that is, of course, as 
> performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it was simply entitled 
> "John's Rocker" - and so on......
> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the 
> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final 
> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
> Resist, before it's too late!
> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra 
> until the feeling goes away:
> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll do 
> the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>
> George


But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the 
distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have 
modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to Atlantis 
by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using there - none 
of them?

When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting 
information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some places 
as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It could be a 
Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to be the case - 
but surely the man himself would have remembered?

Chris

christofire wrote:
> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
> news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
>> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>>> Nige wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
>>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
>>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>>> Nige.
>>> I have copied your post to:
>>>
>>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>>
>>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, even 
>>> as we speak.
>> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
>> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular 
>> forum.
>> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn down 
>> into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what pickup 
>> setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the un-remastered cut 
>> of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that is, of course, as 
>> performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it was simply entitled 
>> "John's Rocker" - and so on......
>> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the 
>> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final 
>> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
>> Resist, before it's too late!
>> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
>> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra 
>> until the feeling goes away:
>> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
>> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll do 
>> the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>>
>> George

> But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the 
> distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have 
> modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to Atlantis 
> by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using there - none 
> of them?

> When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting 
> information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some places 
> as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It could be a 
> Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to be the case - 
> but surely the man himself would have remembered?

> Chris

It isn't thought likely to have been a Gretsch, although Hank did have one - 
a 1958/59 s/c Country Gentleman - between c.1960 and 1972.

Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it was a 
Stratocaster. AT the time of recording, the group wer still supplied with red 
Strats and a Precision by Jennings.

Licorice Locking (the then bassist with the group) has said that the guitar 
used on "Atlantis" (recorded November 1962, some six months before its 
release) was a prototype of the Burns Marvin. This is significant, becuse Lic 
had left the group by the time the Burns guitars were publically used (early 
1964). The fact that he remembers one in use in the studio at all, during the 
18-months and thirty prototype development period, indicates that he's 
probably right.

"christofire"  wrote in message 
news:E4idnUA2bbymL1XXnZ2dnUVZ8sGdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
> news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
>> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>>> Nige wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
>>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
>>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>>
>>>> Nige.
>>>
>>> I have copied your post to:
>>>
>>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>>
>>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, 
>>> even as we speak.
>>
>> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
>> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular 
>> forum.
>> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn 
>> down into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what 
>> pickup setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the 
>> un-remastered cut of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that 
>> is, of course, as performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it 
>> was simply entitled "John's Rocker" - and so on......
>> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the 
>> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final 
>> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
>> Resist, before it's too late!
>> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
>> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra 
>> until the feeling goes away:
>> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
>> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll do 
>> the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>>
>> George
>
>
> But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the 
> distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have 
> modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to 
> Atlantis by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using 
> there - none of them?
>
> When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting 
> information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some 
> places as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It 
> could be a Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to 
> be the case - but surely the man himself would have remembered?

Oh dear - I feared that this thread would start something going along these 
lines, which hitherto has mercifully been confined to the forum mentioned 
beforehand.
This and many other similar theories have been done to death over there, 
particularly the one about the Gretsch!

Jim will doubtless be along again in a minute or two with the full story....

George

"George Weston"  wrote in message 
news:7irt5kF30s0qdU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "christofire"  wrote in message 
> news:E4idnUA2bbymL1XXnZ2dnUVZ8sGdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
>> news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
>>> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>>>> Nige wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
>>>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
>>>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>>>
>>>>> Nige.
>>>>
>>>> I have copied your post to:
>>>>
>>>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>>>
>>>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, 
>>>> even as we speak.
>>>
>>> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
>>> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular 
>>> forum.
>>> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn 
>>> down into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what 
>>> pickup setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the 
>>> un-remastered cut of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that 
>>> is, of course, as performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it 
>>> was simply entitled "John's Rocker" - and so on......
>>> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the 
>>> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final 
>>> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
>>> Resist, before it's too late!
>>> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
>>> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra 
>>> until the feeling goes away:
>>> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
>>> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll 
>>> do the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>>>
>>> George
>>
>>
>> But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the 
>> distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have 
>> modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to 
>> Atlantis by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using 
>> there - none of them?
>>
>> When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting 
>> information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some 
>> places as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It 
>> could be a Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to 
>> be the case - but surely the man himself would have remembered?
>
> Oh dear - I feared that this thread would start something going along 
> these lines, which hitherto has mercifully been confined to the forum 
> mentioned beforehand.
> This and many other similar theories have been done to death over there, 
> particularly the one about the Gretsch!
>
> Jim will doubtless be along again in a minute or two with the full 
> story....
>
> George
>
>
Despite which, I'd go with the Burns theory - an old friend was a 
development engineer for Burns, and they really did get up to all kinds of 
stuff. Anyone remember the Burns Rezo-Tube bridge system? Wierd, if kind of 
interesting.

That said, gimme the Fender any day - and mine's red, as it happens :.)

If you do get hooked, you'll going to have to include your middle initial, 
you know (e.g. 'Hank B Marvin')...

Rog

"JNugent"  wrote in message 
news:seqdnSHWr4pFIFXXnZ2dnUVZ8iOdnZ2d@pipex.net...
> christofire wrote:
>> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
>> news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
>>> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>>>> Nige wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
>>>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
>>>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>>>> Nige.
>>>> I have copied your post to:
>>>>
>>>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>>>
>>>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, 
>>>> even as we speak.
>>> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
>>> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular 
>>> forum.
>>> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn 
>>> down into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what 
>>> pickup setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the 
>>> un-remastered cut of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that 
>>> is, of course, as performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it 
>>> was simply entitled "John's Rocker" - and so on......
>>> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the 
>>> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final 
>>> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
>>> Resist, before it's too late!
>>> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
>>> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra 
>>> until the feeling goes away:
>>> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
>>> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll 
>>> do the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>>>
>>> George
>
>> But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the 
>> distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have 
>> modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to 
>> Atlantis by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using 
>> there - none of them?
>
>> When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting 
>> information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some 
>> places as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It 
>> could be a Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to 
>> be the case - but surely the man himself would have remembered?
>
>> Chris
>
> It isn't thought likely to have been a Gretsch, although Hank did have 
> one - a 1958/59 s/c Country Gentleman - between c.1960 and 1972.
>
> Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it 
> was a Stratocaster. AT the time of recording, the group wer still supplied 
> with red Strats and a Precision by Jennings.
>
> Licorice Locking (the then bassist with the group) has said that the 
> guitar used on "Atlantis" (recorded November 1962, some six months before 
> its release) was a prototype of the Burns Marvin. This is significant, 
> becuse Lic had left the group by the time the Burns guitars were 
> publically used (early 1964). The fact that he remembers one in use in the 
> studio at all, during the 18-months and thirty prototype development 
> period, indicates that he's probably right.


Thanks for that.

Chris

"Roger Moss"  wrote in message
> Despite which, I'd go with the Burns theory - an old friend was a 
> development engineer for Burns, and they really did get up to all kinds of 
> stuff. Anyone remember the Burns Rezo-Tube bridge system? Wierd, if kind 
> of interesting.


http://www.trevormidgley.com/BurnsGuitars/Shadows.html



-- 
no66y©

Roger Moss wrote:

[ ... ]

> Despite which, I'd go with the Burns theory - an old friend was a 
> development engineer for Burns, and they really did get up to all kinds 
> of stuff. Anyone remember the Burns Rezo-Tube bridge system? Wierd, if 
> kind of interesting.

Oh yes. That bridge/trem system was first used on the Marvin, then on the 
revamped Bison from 1964, as well as on reissues of both guitars. I have had 
a 1965 Marvin since 1972. They may look unusual, but they're not really all 
that different from the Strat bridge, the main differences being in the 
length of the unit, the block replaced by six individual (vertical) tubes, 
the complete adjustability of every action, the way the arm attaches and the 
fact that they operate against a knife edge bearing rather then six screws.

Shorter versions (apparently operated by a single, Bigsby-type spring) were 
fitted to the Baby Bison, Virginian and Vibraslim models from about 1966 onward.

Virginian:

<http://www.daydreamguitars.com/dbimages/003_2.jpg>

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:33:24 +0100, "christofire"
 wrote:

>
>"George Weston"  wrote in message 
>news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
>> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>>> Nige wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a 
>>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge 
>>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>>
>>>> Nige.
>>>
>>> I have copied your post to:
>>>
>>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>>
>>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, even 
>>> as we speak.
>>
>> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
>> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular 
>> forum.
>> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn down 
>> into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what pickup 
>> setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the un-remastered cut 
>> of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that is, of course, as 
>> performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it was simply entitled 
>> "John's Rocker" - and so on......
>> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the 
>> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final 
>> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
>> Resist, before it's too late!
>> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
>> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra 
>> until the feeling goes away:
>> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
>> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll do 
>> the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>>
>> George
>
>
>But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the 
>distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have 
>modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to Atlantis 
>by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using there - none 
>of them?
>
>When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting 
>information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some places 
>as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It could be a 
>Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to be the case - 
>but surely the man himself would have remembered?
>
>Chris 
>

It's a Vox Teardrop.

Pete

wrote in message 
news:8r3ic5pa9rbq3s0otljno4u96qcc390lb1@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:33:24 +0100, "christofire"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"George Weston"  wrote in message
>>news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>>> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>>>> Nige wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a
>>>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge
>>>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>>>
>>>>> Nige.
>>>>
>>>> I have copied your post to:
>>>>
>>>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>>>
>>>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, 
>>>> even
>>>> as we speak.
>>>
>>> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
>>> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular
>>> forum.
>>> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn 
>>> down
>>> into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what 
>>> pickup
>>> setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the un-remastered cut
>>> of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that is, of course, as
>>> performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it was simply 
>>> entitled
>>> "John's Rocker" - and so on......
>>> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the
>>> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final
>>> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
>>> Resist, before it's too late!
>>> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
>>> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra
>>> until the feeling goes away:
>>> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
>>> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll 
>>> do
>>> the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>>>
>>> George
>>
>>
>>But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the
>>distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have
>>modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to 
>>Atlantis
>>by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using there - 
>>none
>>of them?
>>
>>When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting
>>information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some 
>>places
>>as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It could be a
>>Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to be the 
>>case -
>>but surely the man himself would have remembered?
>>
>>Chris
>>
>
> It's a Vox Teardrop.

Bollocks!
See Jim's answer...

George

"JNugent"  wrote in message 
news:seqdnSHWr4pFIFXXnZ2dnUVZ8iOdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>
> Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it 
> was a Stratocaster.

Ah, but if you can remember the sixties, you weren't really there...

...although that probably doesn't apply to clean-livin' Cliff and the Shads.

Steve.

Steve Robinson wrote:

> "JNugent"  wrote:

>> Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it 
>> was a Stratocaster.

> Ah, but if you can remember the sixties, you weren't really there...

That bit didn't start until around 1966 (The Troggs, The New Vaudeville Band, 
Whistling Jack Smith and Cream) (oh, and Yellow Submarine). Maybe a litle bit 
furter back into '65 on some peoples' definitions, but certainly by mid-1967.

Before that, the sixties was just an extension of the fifties (Music While 
You Work, Housewives' Choice, Easy Beat and Parade Of The Pops).

> ....although that probably doesn't apply to clean-livin' Cliff and the Shads.

"JNugent"  wrote in message 
news:DP-dnZyCOKulv1TXnZ2dnUVZ8hudnZ2d@pipex.net...
> Steve Robinson wrote:
>
>> "JNugent"  wrote:
>
>>> Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it 
>>> was a Stratocaster.
>
>> Ah, but if you can remember the sixties, you weren't really there...
>
> That bit didn't start until around 1966 (The Troggs, The New Vaudeville 
> Band, Whistling Jack Smith and Cream) (oh, and Yellow Submarine). Maybe a 
> litle bit furter back into '65 on some peoples' definitions, but certainly 
> by mid-1967.
>
> Before that, the sixties was just an extension of the fifties (Music While 
> You Work, Housewives' Choice, Easy Beat and Parade Of The Pops).

Hmm - I dunno.
Being a bit older than you, Jim, I reckon it started about 1963, with the 
advent of the "beat boom" - Beatles etc., but the drugs of choice were 
apparently pills rather than injectable, sniffable or smokable substances 
(apart from jazz musicians).
I recall press articles at the time describing people being off their heads 
on "purple hearts", "brown bombers" and suchlike. What the hell were they?
I mercifully - or unfortunately, depending on your point of view - missed 
out on all that, being married at the age of 19 with a family on the way.
My drugs of choice were then - and still are - alcohol and tobacco.
So, yes - I was there and yes, I can remember it all!

George

On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:25:25 +0100, "George Weston"
 wrote:

>
> wrote in message 
>news:8r3ic5pa9rbq3s0otljno4u96qcc390lb1@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:33:24 +0100, "christofire"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"George Weston"  wrote in message
>>>news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>>>> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>>>>> Nige wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a
>>>>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge
>>>>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nige.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have copied your post to:
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, 
>>>>> even
>>>>> as we speak.
>>>>
>>>> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
>>>> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular
>>>> forum.
>>>> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn 
>>>> down
>>>> into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what 
>>>> pickup
>>>> setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the un-remastered cut
>>>> of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that is, of course, as
>>>> performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it was simply 
>>>> entitled
>>>> "John's Rocker" - and so on......
>>>> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the
>>>> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final
>>>> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
>>>> Resist, before it's too late!
>>>> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
>>>> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra
>>>> until the feeling goes away:
>>>> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
>>>> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll 
>>>> do
>>>> the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>>>>
>>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>>But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the
>>>distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have
>>>modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to 
>>>Atlantis
>>>by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using there - 
>>>none
>>>of them?
>>>
>>>When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting
>>>information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some 
>>>places
>>>as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It could be a
>>>Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to be the 
>>>case -
>>>but surely the man himself would have remembered?
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>
>> It's a Vox Teardrop.
>
>Bollocks!
>See Jim's answer...
>
>George 
>

At Hargate Hall (not far from Buxton) at an RMMGA meeting....

Linus (a mate of mine from Bristol who can play all of Robert
Johnson's blues baxkwards).

Stefan Sobell is demonstrating a £6000 handmade acoustic. Linus picks
it up, spins it round in his hand like you might with a thoroughly
disposable Chinese Tele..

"That's an Argos guitar, isn't it?
"Wha?"
"Yup, get one of those for fifty quid just down the road."

Linus got lucky - he got to shag the owner's daughter (and she was
fit, too). Poor Stefan - he had to resort to getting drunk with Alan
Marshall.

Pete

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:11:33 +0100, "George Weston"
 wrote:

>
>"JNugent"  wrote in message 
>news:DP-dnZyCOKulv1TXnZ2dnUVZ8hudnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> Steve Robinson wrote:
>>
>>> "JNugent"  wrote:
>>
>>>> Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it 
>>>> was a Stratocaster.
>>
>>> Ah, but if you can remember the sixties, you weren't really there...
>>
>> That bit didn't start until around 1966 (The Troggs, The New Vaudeville 
>> Band, Whistling Jack Smith and Cream) (oh, and Yellow Submarine). Maybe a 
>> litle bit furter back into '65 on some peoples' definitions, but certainly 
>> by mid-1967.
>>
>> Before that, the sixties was just an extension of the fifties (Music While 
>> You Work, Housewives' Choice, Easy Beat and Parade Of The Pops).
>
>Hmm - I dunno.
>Being a bit older than you, Jim, I reckon it started about 1963, with the 
>advent of the "beat boom" - Beatles etc., but the drugs of choice were 
>apparently pills rather than injectable, sniffable or smokable substances 
>(apart from jazz musicians).
>I recall press articles at the time describing people being off their heads 
>on "purple hearts", "brown bombers" and suchlike. What the hell were they?
>I mercifully - or unfortunately, depending on your point of view - missed 
>out on all that, being married at the age of 19 with a family on the way.
>My drugs of choice were then - and still are - alcohol and tobacco.
>So, yes - I was there and yes, I can remember it all!
>
>George
>

Purple Hearts are/were amphetamines - speed to you and me. Dunno about
brown bombers.

Nothing much has changed - the idiot's recreational drug of choice
these day is cocaine - same speedy kind of hit, only more expensive.

I like drugs generally. Had a lot of fun doing sulphate when I was a
kid - along with huge quantities of acid (that was back in the 70's
when you could get LSD stong enough to trip you out for 24 hours,
unlike the pathetic stuff on the streets today.

Coke, though - turns people into gibbering, egotistical morons - I
have no problem being a gibbering egotistical moron as it is. I am
really down on coke - at least if one gets stoned on hash there may be
a fleeting glimpse of inspiration that goes with the high before the
munchies kick in....:-)

Pete

wrote in message 
news:8r3ic5pa9rbq3s0otljno4u96qcc390lb1@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:33:24 +0100, "christofire"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"George Weston"  wrote in message
>>news:7irf2lF32ln1mU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>>> news:yL6dnQ1on55W51XXnZ2dnUVZ8nBi4p2d@pipex.net...
>>>> Nige wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a demo of Amplitube Fender ... it has a Shadows patch. I have a
>>>>> red Stratocaster with a maple neck. I am thinking about buying hooooge
>>>>> spectacles! Please send help!
>>>>
>>>>> Nige.
>>>>
>>>> I have copied your post to:
>>>>
>>>> <http://shadowmusic.bdme.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=471>
>>>>
>>>> I have no doubt that skilled operatives are planning your next move, 
>>>> even
>>>> as we speak.
>>>
>>> Do *not* click on Jim's link - it's a trap!
>>> If you do, curiosity will tempt you to browse around that particular
>>> forum.
>>> Having done that, it will be too late. You will be relentlessly drawn 
>>> down
>>> into a seething nether-world of old men coming to blows about what 
>>> pickup
>>> setting and type of echo-machine that Hank used on the un-remastered cut
>>> of "I Wish I Could Shimmy Like My Sister Arthur", that is, of course, as
>>> performed on the "Shadows at Abbey Road" album when it was simply 
>>> entitled
>>> "John's Rocker" - and so on......
>>> You may also find yourself trawling ticket sites for spare seats on the
>>> current "C***f R*****d and The Shadows' final-final-final
>>> (unless-we-can-squeeze-in-another-one-before-we-pop-our-clogs)" tour.
>>> Resist, before it's too late!
>>> Resist clicking on the Shadows patch.
>>> Throw away the whammy-bar and then keep repeating the following mantra
>>> until the feeling goes away:
>>> "This is not a Hank Marvin Strat - it is a Mark Knopfler Strat".
>>> If all this fails, put yourself down on the matrix for Apache and I'll 
>>> do
>>> the Bruce Welch bit ;-)
>>>
>>> George
>>
>>
>>But seriously folks, all of you who play Stratocasters will have the
>>distinctive tones of those five pickup selections (or more if you have
>>modded it) permanently engraved on your minds.  So take a listen to 
>>Atlantis
>>by the Shadows and try to work out which Strat tone he's using there - 
>>none
>>of them?
>>
>>When I've looked into this on the web I've found nothing but conflicting
>>information- some say it was his Strat, even Hank is reported in some 
>>places
>>as saying that, but it doesn't sound anything like a Strat.  It could be a
>>Gretsch guitar, and I found at least one site claiming that to be the 
>>case -
>>but surely the man himself would have remembered?
>>
>>Chris
>>
>
> It's a Vox Teardrop.
>
> Pete

Which would be akin to playing a Vox Soundcaster (different shape but same 
gubbins) Strat clone, which I just can't see happening...

Rog

"Steve Robinson"  wrote in message 
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> "JNugent"  wrote in message 
> news:seqdnSHWr4pFIFXXnZ2dnUVZ8iOdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it 
>> was a Stratocaster.
>
> Ah, but if you can remember the sixties, you weren't really there...
>
> ...although that probably doesn't apply to clean-livin' Cliff and the 
> Shads.

Hmm... not all that clean-livin' in the early days, so I've read...
But then Jesus grabbed hold of Cliffy and Jehovah nabbed Hank and "Licorice" 
Locking (their replacement bassist).
Bruce Welch, however, somehow escaped all that malarkey and in 2004 accepted 
his OBE with good grace, unlike Hank, who declined the one he was offered 
for "personal reasons" (in all probability - but never admitted - religious 
ones).

George

George Weston wrote:

> "Steve Robinson"  wrote:
>> "JNugent"  wrote:

>>> Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it 
>>> was a Stratocaster.

>> Ah, but if you can remember the sixties, you weren't really there...

>> ...although that probably doesn't apply to clean-livin' Cliff and the 
>> Shads.

> Hmm... not all that clean-livin' in the early days, so I've read...
> But then Jesus grabbed hold of Cliffy and Jehovah nabbed Hank and "Licorice" 
> Locking (their replacement bassist).
> Bruce Welch, however, somehow escaped all that malarkey and in 2004 accepted 
> his OBE with good grace, unlike Hank, who declined the one he was offered 
> for "personal reasons" (in all probability - but never admitted - religious 
> ones).

No devout JW would ever accept such an honour. That is well-known.

"JNugent"  wrote in message
news:NZidnYpbCJIIsVfXnZ2dnUVZ8hli4p2d@pipex.net...
> George Weston wrote:
>
>> "Steve Robinson"  wrote:
>>> "JNugent"  wrote:
>
>>>> Hank says - as he does for many records of the general period - that it
>>>> was a Stratocaster.
>
>>> Ah, but if you can remember the sixties, you weren't really there...
>
>>> ...although that probably doesn't apply to clean-livin' Cliff and the
>>> Shads.
>
>> Hmm... not all that clean-livin' in the early days, so I've read...
>> But then Jesus grabbed hold of Cliffy and Jehovah nabbed Hank and
>> "Licorice" Locking (their replacement bassist).
>> Bruce Welch, however, somehow escaped all that malarkey and in 2004
>> accepted his OBE with good grace, unlike Hank, who declined the one he
>> was offered for "personal reasons" (in all probability - but never
>> admitted - religious ones).
>
> No devout JW would ever accept such an honour. That is well-known.

*Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when used
as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.

George

"George Weston"  wrote in message 
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> "JNugent"  wrote in message
> news:NZidnYpbCJIIsVfXnZ2dnUVZ8hli4p2d@pipex.net...
>> George Weston wrote:
>>> Bruce Welch, however, somehow escaped all that malarkey and in 2004
>>> accepted his OBE with good grace, unlike Hank, who declined the one he
>>> was offered for "personal reasons" (in all probability - but never
>>> admitted - religious ones).
>>
>> No devout JW would ever accept such an honour. That is well-known.
>
> *Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when 
> used
> as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.

Did Cliff split from the Shadows because of religious differences then?

Steve.
(Proud to be a devout atheist - you know it makes sense.)

"Steve Robinson"  wrote in message 
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> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
> news:7iuto8F33ec1eU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>> news:NZidnYpbCJIIsVfXnZ2dnUVZ8hli4p2d@pipex.net...
>>> George Weston wrote:
>>>> Bruce Welch, however, somehow escaped all that malarkey and in 2004
>>>> accepted his OBE with good grace, unlike Hank, who declined the one he
>>>> was offered for "personal reasons" (in all probability - but never
>>>> admitted - religious ones).
>>>
>>> No devout JW would ever accept such an honour. That is well-known.
>>
>> *Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when 
>> used
>> as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.
>
> Did Cliff split from the Shadows because of religious differences then?
>
> Steve.
> (Proud to be a devout atheist - you know it makes sense.)

No, I think he probably split from himself...  :->

RM

"Steve Robinson"  wrote in message 
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> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
> news:7iuto8F33ec1eU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>> news:NZidnYpbCJIIsVfXnZ2dnUVZ8hli4p2d@pipex.net...
>>> George Weston wrote:
>>>> Bruce Welch, however, somehow escaped all that malarkey and in 2004
>>>> accepted his OBE with good grace, unlike Hank, who declined the one he
>>>> was offered for "personal reasons" (in all probability - but never
>>>> admitted - religious ones).
>>>
>>> No devout JW would ever accept such an honour. That is well-known.
>>
>> *Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when 
>> used
>> as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.
>
> Did Cliff split from the Shadows because of religious differences then?

He just might well have done ;-)

In actualite, I think it might have had a bit more to do with Sir/Saint 
Cliff realising that he could make more money and get more hit records (a 
lifetime obsession of his) if he moved into "family entertainer and 
ever-so-nice rock-god" mode, coupled with his "ever-so-nice god-god" 
incarnation (two for the price of one, folks!) and ditched the "singer+two 
guitarists+drummer+bassist" bit.
It certainly worked out for him, success-wise, whereas The Shadows went into 
a nose-dive for quite a few years after the split, churning out "elevator 
music" and instrumental covers, plus undergoing the odd reshuffle, viz. 
Marvin, Welch and Farrar.
Still, they're back together after 50 years - apart from a couple of the 
original members - see http://tinyurl.com/5lgavs for something really 
bizarre!

George
(uncommitted agnostic - I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure)

George Weston wrote:

> "Steve Robinson"  wrote:
>> "George Weston"  wrote:
>>> "JNugent"  wrote:
>>>> George Weston wrote:

>>>>> Bruce Welch, however, somehow escaped all that malarkey and in 2004
>>>>> accepted his OBE with good grace, unlike Hank, who declined the one he
>>>>> was offered for "personal reasons" (in all probability - but never
>>>>> admitted - religious ones).

>>>> No devout JW would ever accept such an honour. That is well-known.

>>> *Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when 
>>> used as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.

It only means "observant". In this context, it means someone who takes their 
religion seriously and complies with its rules. JWs don't get involved in 
politics or any other such functions of the state.

>> Did Cliff split from the Shadows because of religious differences then?

> He just might well have done ;-)

He didn't.

> In actualite, I think it might have had a bit more to do with Sir/Saint 
> Cliff realising that he could make more money and get more hit records (a 
> lifetime obsession of his) if he moved into "family entertainer and 
> ever-so-nice rock-god" mode, coupled with his "ever-so-nice god-god" 
> incarnation (two for the price of one, folks!) and ditched the "singer+two 
> guitarists+drummer+bassist" bit.
> It certainly worked out for him, success-wise, whereas The Shadows went into 
> a nose-dive for quite a few years after the split, churning out "elevator 
> music" and instrumental covers, plus undergoing the odd reshuffle, viz. 
> Marvin, Welch and Farrar.
> Still, they're back together after 50 years - apart from a couple of the 
> original members - see http://tinyurl.com/5lgavs for something really 
> bizarre!
> 
> George
> (uncommitted agnostic - I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure)

In fact, the history has been openly published from several different sources 
and is consistent. The Shadows split (from each other) in late 1968, and 
because the group no longer existed, their association with Cliff had to end. 
Nothing to do with religion and not instigated by Cliff or his management 
(which was the same management as the Shadows by the end of the sixties).

Although Cliff had originally "owned" the name "The Drifters" (from the days 
before any members of what became The Shadows joined), they had become a 
different entity with their own management and their own record contract 
right back at the dawn of the sixties.

The name "The Shadows" was an asset which was still used from time to time as 
the owners (Hank and Bruce) chose to (eg, for a tour of the UK and of Japan 
in 1969). But essentially, the group didn't really exist between 1968 and 
1977, operating only sporadically until EMI's release of a 20-track hits 
compilation topped the LP charts and tempted them back out of retirement for 
annual tours and albums. That continued until 1990, then nothing again until 
2004.

Cliff and his management had made their own arrangements for a band back in 
the mid-70s, that line-up continually evolving more or less up to the present 
day.

IMHO, the line-up of "The Shadows" featuring three guitars 
(Marvin/Welch/Farrar) as well as a bass was arguably their best. Their 1973 
LP "Rockin' With Curly Leads" was sensational. Australian John Farrar (now a 
multi-millionaire music man in LA) was the best kick up the backside they 
ever had. Too bad it only lasted for about 17 or 18 tracks.

"George Weston"  wrote in message 
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>

> George
> (uncommitted agnostic - I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure)

I'm a dyslexic agnostic - I'm not sure that there is a Dog.

"JNugent"  wrote in message 
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> George Weston wrote:
>
>> "Steve Robinson"  wrote:
>>> "George Weston"  wrote:
>>>> "JNugent"  wrote:
>>>>> George Weston wrote:
>
>>>>>> Bruce Welch, however, somehow escaped all that malarkey and in 2004
>>>>>> accepted his OBE with good grace, unlike Hank, who declined the one 
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> was offered for "personal reasons" (in all probability - but never
>>>>>> admitted - religious ones).
>
>>>>> No devout JW would ever accept such an honour. That is well-known.
>
>>>> *Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when 
>>>> used as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.
>
> It only means "observant". In this context, it means someone who takes 
> their religion seriously and complies with its rules. JWs don't get 
> involved in politics or any other such functions of the state.
>
>>> Did Cliff split from the Shadows because of religious differences then?
>
>> He just might well have done ;-)
>
> He didn't.

I know - note the smiley!

>
>> In actualite, I think it might have had a bit more to do with Sir/Saint 
>> Cliff realising that he could make more money and get more hit records (a 
>> lifetime obsession of his) if he moved into "family entertainer and 
>> ever-so-nice rock-god" mode, coupled with his "ever-so-nice god-god" 
>> incarnation (two for the price of one, folks!) and ditched the 
>> "singer+two guitarists+drummer+bassist" bit.
>> It certainly worked out for him, success-wise, whereas The Shadows went 
>> into a nose-dive for quite a few years after the split, churning out 
>> "elevator music" and instrumental covers, plus undergoing the odd 
>> reshuffle, viz. Marvin, Welch and Farrar.
>> Still, they're back together after 50 years - apart from a couple of the 
>> original members - see http://tinyurl.com/5lgavs for something really 
>> bizarre!
>>
>> George
>> (uncommitted agnostic - I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure)
>
> In fact, the history has been openly published from several different 
> sources and is consistent. The Shadows split (from each other) in late 
> 1968, and because the group no longer existed, their association with 
> Cliff had to end. Nothing to do with religion and not instigated by Cliff 
> or his management (which was the same management as the Shadows by the end 
> of the sixties).
>
> Although Cliff had originally "owned" the name "The Drifters" (from the 
> days before any members of what became The Shadows joined), they had 
> become a different entity with their own management and their own record 
> contract right back at the dawn of the sixties.
>
> The name "The Shadows" was an asset which was still used from time to time 
> as the owners (Hank and Bruce) chose to (eg, for a tour of the UK and of 
> Japan in 1969). But essentially, the group didn't really exist between 
> 1968 and 1977, operating only sporadically until EMI's release of a 
> 20-track hits compilation topped the LP charts and tempted them back out 
> of retirement for annual tours and albums. That continued until 1990, then 
> nothing again until 2004.

All agreed - I was just continuing my tongue-in-cheekerey!

>
> Cliff and his management had made their own arrangements for a band back 
> in the mid-70s, that line-up continually evolving more or less up to the 
> present day.
>
> IMHO, the line-up of "The Shadows" featuring three guitars 
> (Marvin/Welch/Farrar) as well as a bass was arguably their best. Their 
> 1973 LP "Rockin' With Curly Leads" was sensational.

Agreed again - I have a copy!

 Australian John Farrar (now a
> multi-millionaire music man in LA) was the best kick up the backside they 
> ever had. Too bad it only lasted for about 17 or 18 tracks.

"George Weston"  wrote in message 
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> *Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when 
> used
> as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.

'Hopelessly Devoted to You'! It's all making sense now.

icarusi
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:23:03 +0100, Dave Benj wrote:

> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
> news:7iv77qF340i1nU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
> 
>> George
>> (uncommitted agnostic - I used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure)
> 
> I'm a dyslexic agnostic - I'm not sure that there is a Dog.

You clearly need a more informed approach:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUVNZFylTdo

;-)

"icarusi"  wrote in message 
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>
> 'Hopelessly Devoted to You'! It's all making sense now.

Of course!

icarusi wrote:
> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
> news:7iuto8F33ec1eU1@mid.individual.net...
> 
>> *Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when 
>> used
>> as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.
> 
> 'Hopelessly Devoted to You'! It's all making sense now.

I thought it was "Hopelessly Devoted to Ewes" but that must be my Welsh 
heritage.

"Mark Bluemel"  wrote in message 
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> icarusi wrote:
>> "George Weston"  wrote in message 
>> news:7iuto8F33ec1eU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> *Devout* - the mere utterance of that word makes me shudder. Even when 
>>> used
>>> as a preceding adjective to *atheist*.
>>
>> 'Hopelessly Devoted to You'! It's all making sense now.
>
> I thought it was "Hopelessly Devoted to Ewes" but that must be my Welsh 
> heritage.

Or 'Hopelessly Devouted', more like...  (8>)

RM