I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday from 
Gallins Annandale yesterday.

After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding, 
untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that 
sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all day 
and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge amp..it 
just doesnt get better than this folks.

I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.

Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!! 
Cheers :)

"Lu R"  wrote in message 
news:4ac4185f$0$1780$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday 
>from Gallins Annandale yesterday.
>
> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding, 
> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that 
> sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all day 
> and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge 
> amp..it just doesnt get better than this folks.
>
> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
>
> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!! 
> Cheers :)

There are plenty of really quite good guitars available, for pretty 
reasonable prices.

Current guitar production, particularly the non-US, non-boutique production, 
can be great, with consistent quality.

But that said, a lot of the feel is in the setup.   If your old guitar had 
never been set up properly, you would never get from it what it could 
deliver.

A friend of mine was a repairman in a shop in SF long ago, and one day a man 
came in wanting to trade his Martin for a Guild.   He'd tried a Guild, and 
the Martin sounded better and was worth much more, but the Guild was just so 
much easier to play.   In the end, my friend convinced him to have the 
Martin's nut cut to a reasonable height, which completely repaired the 
complaint.

Take the old SG to a decent tech for an evaluation.

Patrick Keenan wrote:
> 
> "Lu R"  wrote in message 
> news:4ac4185f$0$1780$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>> I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top 
>> yesterday from Gallins Annandale yesterday.
>>
>> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding, 
>> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have 
>> that sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can 
>> play all day and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my 
>> Vox Cambridge amp..it just doesnt get better than this folks.
>>
>> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
>> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
>>
>> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone 
>> rule!! Cheers :)
> 
> There are plenty of really quite good guitars available, for pretty 
> reasonable prices.
> 
> Current guitar production, particularly the non-US, non-boutique 
> production, can be great, with consistent quality.
> 
> But that said, a lot of the feel is in the setup.   If your old guitar 
> had never been set up properly, you would never get from it what it 
> could deliver.
> 
> A friend of mine was a repairman in a shop in SF long ago, and one day a 
> man came in wanting to trade his Martin for a Guild.   He'd tried a 
> Guild, and the Martin sounded better and was worth much more, but the 
> Guild was just so much easier to play.   In the end, my friend convinced 
> him to have the Martin's nut cut to a reasonable height, which 
> completely repaired the complaint.
> 
> Take the old SG to a decent tech for an evaluation.
> 
> 

...and then after that, sit down and think about whether the SG neck is 
just too narrow for your hand, and if the Les Paul's neck is just plain 
a better fit, width-wise.

-- 
      - Rufus

"Rufus"  wrote in message 
news:ZUVwm.73238$la3.67193@attbi_s22...
> Patrick Keenan wrote:
>>
>> "Lu R"  wrote in message 
>> news:4ac4185f$0$1780$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>> I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday 
>>> from Gallins Annandale yesterday.
>>>
>>> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding, 
>>> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that 
>>> sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all 
>>> day and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge 
>>> amp..it just doesnt get better than this folks.
>>>
>>> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
>>> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
>>>
>>> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone 
>>> rule!! Cheers :)
>>
>> There are plenty of really quite good guitars available, for pretty 
>> reasonable prices.
>>
>> Current guitar production, particularly the non-US, non-boutique 
>> production, can be great, with consistent quality.
>>
>> But that said, a lot of the feel is in the setup.   If your old guitar 
>> had never been set up properly, you would never get from it what it could 
>> deliver.
>>
>> A friend of mine was a repairman in a shop in SF long ago, and one day a 
>> man came in wanting to trade his Martin for a Guild.   He'd tried a 
>> Guild, and the Martin sounded better and was worth much more, but the 
>> Guild was just so much easier to play.   In the end, my friend convinced 
>> him to have the Martin's nut cut to a reasonable height, which completely 
>> repaired the complaint.
>>
>> Take the old SG to a decent tech for an evaluation.
>>
>>
>
> ...and then after that, sit down and think about whether the SG neck is 
> just too narrow for your hand, and if the Les Paul's neck is just plain a 
> better fit, width-wise.
>
> -- 
>      - Rufus
Bingo Rufus.. you nailed it. The SG neck is wayy to thin at the nut. I dont 
have big fingers and I still have problems fitting them in up there lol..the 
LP is made just right..

"Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Lu R"  wrote in message 
> news:4ac4185f$0$1780$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
>>I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday 
>>from Gallins Annandale yesterday.
>>
>> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding, 
>> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that 
>> sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all 
>> day and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge 
>> amp..it just doesnt get better than this folks.
>>
>> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
>> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
>>
>> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!! 
>> Cheers :)
>
> There are plenty of really quite good guitars available, for pretty 
> reasonable prices.
>
> Current guitar production, particularly the non-US, non-boutique 
> production, can be great, with consistent quality.
>
> But that said, a lot of the feel is in the setup.   If your old guitar had 
> never been set up properly, you would never get from it what it could 
> deliver.
>
> A friend of mine was a repairman in a shop in SF long ago, and one day a 
> man came in wanting to trade his Martin for a Guild.   He'd tried a Guild, 
> and the Martin sounded better and was worth much more, but the Guild was 
> just so much easier to play.   In the end, my friend convinced him to have 
> the Martin's nut cut to a reasonable height, which completely repaired the 
> complaint.
>
> Take the old SG to a decent tech for an evaluation.

Nice story there..I did take the Sg to a guitar shop and they said because 
Id changed the tail and bridge to a one- piece unit that a luthier is needed 
now to get it back in original shape..

On 1 Oct, 07:15, "Lu R"  wrote:
> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>
> news:FbydnemIhfSMvlnXnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@supernews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Lu R"  wrote in message
> >news:4ac4185f$0$1780$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >>I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday
> >>from Gallins Annandale yesterday.
>
> >> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding,
> >> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that
> >> sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all
> >> day and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge
> >> amp..it just doesnt get better than this folks.
>
> >> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
> >> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
>
> >> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!!
> >> Cheers :)
>
> > There are plenty of really quite good guitars available, for pretty
> > reasonable prices.
>
> > Current guitar production, particularly the non-US, non-boutique
> > production, can be great, with consistent quality.
>
> > But that said, a lot of the feel is in the setup.   If your old guitar had
> > never been set up properly, you would never get from it what it could
> > deliver.
>
> > A friend of mine was a repairman in a shop in SF long ago, and one day a
> > man came in wanting to trade his Martin for a Guild.   He'd tried a Guild,
> > and the Martin sounded better and was worth much more, but the Guild was
> > just so much easier to play.   In the end, my friend convinced him to have
> > the Martin's nut cut to a reasonable height, which completely repaired the
> > complaint.
>
> > Take the old SG to a decent tech for an evaluation.
>
> Nice story there..I did take the Sg to a guitar shop and they said because
> Id changed the tail and bridge to a one- piece unit that a luthier is needed
> now to get it back in original shape..- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sounds like you took it to the wrong place. I'd try somewhere else ;-)

As long as the replacement unit is decent quality, it shouldn't stop
them setting up the action, adjusting the truss rod, cutting the nut,
dressing the frets etc. Sounds like they just weren't that interested
or my be your SG has some other issues.

Green

On 1 Oct, 07:15, "Lu R"  wrote:
> "Patrick Keenan"  wrote in message
>
> news:FbydnemIhfSMvlnXnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@supernews.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Lu R"  wrote in message
> >news:4ac4185f$0$1780$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> >>I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday
> >>from Gallins Annandale yesterday.
>
> >> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding,
> >> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that
> >> sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all
> >> day and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge
> >> amp..it just doesnt get better than this folks.
>
> >> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
> >> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
>
> >> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!!
> >> Cheers :)
>
> > There are plenty of really quite good guitars available, for pretty
> > reasonable prices.
>
> > Current guitar production, particularly the non-US, non-boutique
> > production, can be great, with consistent quality.
>
> > But that said, a lot of the feel is in the setup.   If your old guitar had
> > never been set up properly, you would never get from it what it could
> > deliver.
>
> > A friend of mine was a repairman in a shop in SF long ago, and one day a
> > man came in wanting to trade his Martin for a Guild.   He'd tried a Guild,
> > and the Martin sounded better and was worth much more, but the Guild was
> > just so much easier to play.   In the end, my friend convinced him to have
> > the Martin's nut cut to a reasonable height, which completely repaired the
> > complaint.
>
> > Take the old SG to a decent tech for an evaluation.
>
> Nice story there..I did take the Sg to a guitar shop and they said because
> Id changed the tail and bridge to a one- piece unit that a luthier is needed
> now to get it back in original shape..- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ah just seen your previous thread. Your SG does have a few issues :-)
The scallopped neck is the big thing as far as feel and set up. That
would need a luthier. Lawrence does a fancy little tone control which
may be worth adding to sort out the pickups. It's surpising how much
difference you can make to the tone with just a few caps and
resistors.

Green

Green

Lu R wrote:

> I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday from 
> Gallins Annandale yesterday.
> 
> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding, 
> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that 
> sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all day 
> and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge amp..it 
> just doesnt get better than this folks.
> 
> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
> 
> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!! 
> Cheers :)

What sort of SG was it?

The real thing?

"JNugent"  wrote in message 
news:fPmdnXIFpbzMflnXnZ2dnUVZ8k1i4p2d@pipex.net...
> Lu R wrote:
>
>> I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday 
>> from Gallins Annandale yesterday.
>>
>> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding, 
>> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that 
>> sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all 
>> day and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge 
>> amp..it just doesnt get better than this folks.
>>
>> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
>> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
>>
>> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!! 
>> Cheers :)
>
> What sort of SG was it?
>
> The real thing?

Yep Gibson SG.

On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:48:09 +1000, Lu R wrote:

> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding,
> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have
> that sound that says me. ...

Forgive me for interjecting here, but in an earlier post, the day before,
you described how you yourself replaced the nut, bridge/tailpiece, and
pickups in that SG.  Do you suppose the nut and one-piece bridge/tailpiece
might have contributed to the high action, or that the repositioning
of the bridge/tailpiece (plus the unrepaired damage at the neck joint)
might have something to do with its lack of tuning stability, or even that
the replacement pickups and brass nut might have caused the poor sound?

In the interest of full-disclosure, I don't even like SGs, so I don't
particularly want to defend one.  In particular, I don't like the way
they feel to my hands, and I don't like the way they look, except perhaps
in the hands of some very specific favourite guitar players.

However, I look at the guitar I've owned the longest (upwards of 27
years now), and all the things I did to that guitar, and I *know*
that any (and all) flaws that it has are my own doing.  In fact, some
(10? 8? around that) years ago, I undid a lot of the changes I'd made,
to get that guitar back as close to its original design as I could, and
cleaned up the changes that could not be undone (proper routing under a
Floyd Rose bridge that had replaced the original vibrato bridge), and
quite frankly, I think that guitar finally is the guitar I'd always
wanted it to be, (though I've pretty much outgrown the Floyd Rose,
so that guitar isn't played much any more).

It spent some years with an unbelievably high action, though, and some
others with the neck shimmed so much that the upper frets were basically
unplayable (this, in an attempt to get the action down to something
reasonable).  It also spent some time sounding mediocre at the best
of times (as various bridge pickups were tried in it, with a home-made
built-in pre-amp/buffer/booster), but I never, at any time looked at it
and thought the guitar itself was flawed.  In fact it isn't.  It just
took me longer than it should have to realize all I'd done wrong on it,
and to redo those things right.

-- 
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Sylvain Robitaille                               syl@encs.concordia.ca
 
Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
----------------------------------------------------------------------

On Sep 30, 9:48 pm, "Lu R"  wrote:
> I bought a Epiphone Les Paul Standard with birdseye maple top yesterday from
> Gallins Annandale yesterday.
>
> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding,
> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have that
> sound that says me. Incredible sustain, action so low you can play all day
> and not get a blister from, tone to die for through my Vox Cambridge amp..it
> just doesnt get better than this folks.
>
> I've been shedding real tears at the revelation before me.
> And that guitar cost 1 lousy grand including a hardcase.
>
> Do yourselves a favour and save yourself the frustration..Epiphone rule!!
> Cheers :)

Do yourself a favor and - add on of these, and get a pro setup done -
worth every penny. I'm blown away how much more sustain and sweetness
is possible.
http://www.earvana.com/technology.htm
ed s.

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT), ed s wrote:

> http://www.earvana.com/technology.htm

Hrmmm.... pitch variation measurements were taken at "C 440Hz" ...

I obviously won't claim that their results aren't correct (I have no
way to check that), but certainly the documentation of how they achieved
those results is questionable ...  Either that, or just tuning down a
minor third improves tuning stability?  ;-)

-- 
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Sylvain Robitaille                               syl@encs.concordia.ca
 
Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sylvain Robitaille  wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT), ed s wrote:
>
>> http://www.earvana.com/technology.htm
>
> Hrmmm.... pitch variation measurements were taken at "C 440Hz" ...
>
> I obviously won't claim that their results aren't correct (I have no
> way to check that), but certainly the documentation of how they
> achieved those results is questionable ...  Either that, or just
> tuning down a minor third improves tuning stability?  ;-)

I'm sure they meant A 440 Hz.

Typical snafu between tech people and PR people.

On Oct 8, 5:34 pm, Sylvain Robitaille  wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:58:11 -0700 (PDT), ed s wrote:
> >http://www.earvana.com/technology.htm
>
> Hrmmm.... pitch variation measurements were taken at "C 440Hz" ...
>
> I obviously won't claim that their results aren't correct (I have no
> way to check that), but certainly the documentation of how they achieved
> those results is questionable ...  Either that, or just tuning down a
> minor third improves tuning stability?  ;-)
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sylvain Robitaille                               s...@encs.concordia.ca
>
> Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
> Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Good catch - I didn't notice that. But the results are True. I used a
stobostomp before and after ( on my new Les Paul Deluxe). Sure a heck,
damn near perfect now, and it was way sharp on the first few before.
Its just carzy how much better it sounds. And the sustain I mention is
cords not single notes ( not due to the material or anything -
although I suppose it plays in a bit ), is mostly due to all string
having ~ perfect harmonics in the cords.   Ed S.

"ed s"  wrote
> Good catch - I didn't notice that. But the results are True. I used a
> stobostomp before and after ( on my new Les Paul Deluxe). Sure a heck,
> damn near perfect now, and it was way sharp on the first few before.
> Its just carzy how much better it sounds. And the sustain I mention is
> cords not single notes ( not due to the material or anything -
> although I suppose it plays in a bit ), is mostly due to all string
> having ~ perfect harmonics in the cords.   Ed S.

Just don't tune an open G... tune the A at the second fret.
__
Steve
.

On Oct 8, 8:09 pm, "Stephen Cowell" 
wrote:
> "ed s"  wrote
>
> > Good catch - I didn't notice that. But the results are True. I used a
> > stobostomp before and after ( on my new Les Paul Deluxe). Sure a heck,
> > damn near perfect now, and it was way sharp on the first few before.
> > Its just carzy how much better it sounds. And the sustain I mention is
> > cords not single notes ( not due to the material or anything -
> > although I suppose it plays in a bit ), is mostly due to all string
> > having ~ perfect harmonics in the cords.   Ed S.
>
> Just don't tune an open G... tune the A at the second fret.
> __
> Steve
> .

Then an open A7 will sound like crapola ( Em , C, etc etc) - and G
isn't the only problem - e

"Sylvain Robitaille"  wrote in message 
news:slrnhcsh8l.l0t.syl@charlotte.encs.concordia.ca...
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:48:09 +1000, Lu R wrote:
>
>> After 30 years of playing on my evil, high actioned, shit sounding,
>> untunable SG that's caused me more than enough blisters, I now have
>> that sound that says me. ...
>
> Forgive me for interjecting here, but in an earlier post, the day before,
> you described how you yourself replaced the nut, bridge/tailpiece, and
> pickups in that SG.  Do you suppose the nut and one-piece bridge/tailpiece
> might have contributed to the high action, or that the repositioning
> of the bridge/tailpiece (plus the unrepaired damage at the neck joint)
> might have something to do with its lack of tuning stability, or even that
> the replacement pickups and brass nut might have caused the poor sound?
>
> In the interest of full-disclosure, I don't even like SGs, so I don't
> particularly want to defend one.  In particular, I don't like the way
> they feel to my hands, and I don't like the way they look, except perhaps
> in the hands of some very specific favourite guitar players.
>
> However, I look at the guitar I've owned the longest (upwards of 27
> years now), and all the things I did to that guitar, and I *know*
> that any (and all) flaws that it has are my own doing.  In fact, some
> (10? 8? around that) years ago, I undid a lot of the changes I'd made,
> to get that guitar back as close to its original design as I could, and
> cleaned up the changes that could not be undone (proper routing under a
> Floyd Rose bridge that had replaced the original vibrato bridge), and
> quite frankly, I think that guitar finally is the guitar I'd always
> wanted it to be, (though I've pretty much outgrown the Floyd Rose,
> so that guitar isn't played much any more).
>
> It spent some years with an unbelievably high action, though, and some
> others with the neck shimmed so much that the upper frets were basically
> unplayable (this, in an attempt to get the action down to something
> reasonable).  It also spent some time sounding mediocre at the best
> of times (as various bridge pickups were tried in it, with a home-made
> built-in pre-amp/buffer/booster), but I never, at any time looked at it
> and thought the guitar itself was flawed.  In fact it isn't.  It just
> took me longer than it should have to realize all I'd done wrong on it,
> and to redo those things right.
>
> -- 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sylvain Robitaille                               syl@encs.concordia.ca
>
> Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
> Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

I will take blame for hacking my SG many years ago and choosing the wrong 
pickups and hardware for it. I did it so well... lol that it would cost me 
$800 to rectify the changes I made totally..for that I got a new LP Epi that 
sounds fantastic..but one day I will restore my SG to its former glory.

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:41:47 -0400, RichL wrote:

> I'm sure they meant A 440 Hz.

Of course they did, but to make such a blatant error in advertising sure
doesn't leave the (at least "this") reader with confidence in the vendor.

> Typical snafu between tech people and PR people.

Right, and quite frankly, it makes for bad PR to let PR people speak for
tech people.

The product may be everything the advertising claims it is, of course,
but with the blatant error stating they took measurements at "C 440Hz",
one needs to question what other details did they get wrong or gloss
over in the ad?

-- 
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Sylvain Robitaille                               syl@encs.concordia.ca
 
Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Sylvain Robitaille  wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:41:47 -0400, RichL wrote:
>
>> I'm sure they meant A 440 Hz.
>
> Of course they did, but to make such a blatant error in advertising
> sure doesn't leave the (at least "this") reader with confidence in
> the vendor.
>
>> Typical snafu between tech people and PR people.
>
> Right, and quite frankly, it makes for bad PR to let PR people speak
> for tech people.
>
> The product may be everything the advertising claims it is, of course,
> but with the blatant error stating they took measurements at "C
> 440Hz", one needs to question what other details did they get wrong
> or gloss over in the ad?

That's true.  I agree with everything you say, however I guess I'm just
inured to it all and have been since Harvard MBAs started running
technology-based companies.

PR people rule the roost now.  Technical folks are considered simply as
necessary evils.

RichL wrote:
> Sylvain Robitaille  wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:41:47 -0400, RichL wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure they meant A 440 Hz.
>> Of course they did, but to make such a blatant error in advertising
>> sure doesn't leave the (at least "this") reader with confidence in
>> the vendor.
>>
>>> Typical snafu between tech people and PR people.
>> Right, and quite frankly, it makes for bad PR to let PR people speak
>> for tech people.
>>
>> The product may be everything the advertising claims it is, of course,
>> but with the blatant error stating they took measurements at "C
>> 440Hz", one needs to question what other details did they get wrong
>> or gloss over in the ad?
> 
> That's true.  I agree with everything you say, however I guess I'm just
> inured to it all and have been since Harvard MBAs started running
> technology-based companies.
> 
> PR people rule the roost now.  Technical folks are considered simply as
> necessary evils.
> 
> 

Teenage angst has paid off well
Now Im bored and old
Self-appointed judges judge
More than they have sold

If she floats than she is not
A witch like we had thought
A down payment on another
One at salems lot

Serve the servants - oh no
That legendary divorce is such a bore

--
Les Cargukkk

Les Cargill wrote:

> RichL wrote:
>> Sylvain Robitaille  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:41:47 -0400, RichL wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure they meant A 440 Hz.
>>> Of course they did, but to make such a blatant error in advertising
>>> sure doesn't leave the (at least "this") reader with confidence in
>>> the vendor.
>>>
>>>> Typical snafu between tech people and PR people.
>>> Right, and quite frankly, it makes for bad PR to let PR people speak
>>> for tech people.
>>>
>>> The product may be everything the advertising claims it is, of course,
>>> but with the blatant error stating they took measurements at "C
>>> 440Hz", one needs to question what other details did they get wrong
>>> or gloss over in the ad?
>> 
>> That's true.  I agree with everything you say, however I guess I'm just
>> inured to it all and have been since Harvard MBAs started running
>> technology-based companies.
>> 
>> PR people rule the roost now.  Technical folks are considered simply as
>> necessary evils.

Sad, and true.

> Teenage angst has paid off well
> Now Im bored and old
> Self-appointed judges judge
> More than they have sold
>
> If she floats than she is not
> A witch like we had thought
> A down payment on another
> One at salems lot
>
> Serve the servants - oh no
> That legendary divorce is such a bore

Damn, that takes me back...

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:42:47 -0400, RichL wrote:

> PR people rule the roost now.  Technical folks are considered simply
> as necessary evils.

One possible response is simply to not purchase product from technical
companies that have blatantly incorrect claims in their advertising.  In
my experience, PR people are usually in tight with bean counters.  When
the bean counters get bored of not having any beans to count, and the PR
folks don't have any more technical people to "downsize", they might
start to examine what really happened to their incoming flow of beans.

It's a thought, at least ...

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Sylvain Robitaille                               syl@encs.concordia.ca
 
Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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On Oct 14, 12:34 am, Sylvain Robitaille 
wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:42:47 -0400, RichL wrote:
> > PR people rule the roost now.  Technical folks are considered simply
> > as necessary evils.
>
> One possible response is simply to not purchase product from technical
> companies that have blatantly incorrect claims in their advertising.  In
> my experience, PR people are usually in tight with bean counters.  When
> the bean counters get bored of not having any beans to count, and the PR
> folks don't have any more technical people to "downsize", they might
> start to examine what really happened to their incoming flow of beans.
>
> It's a thought, at least ...
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sylvain Robitaille                               s...@encs.concordia.ca
>
> Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
> Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

The only problem with your logic is "Earvana" is the shit! It really
does work wonders on you guitar. I know, I put it on my Les Paul and I
have Zero connection with these people. I'm just spreading the word to
my friend guitar players, as it has pleased me so much and solved a
problem that has driven me crazy since I started playing guitar
So your not gonna do it because there is a typo ?   Ed S.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT), ed s wrote:

> ... So your not gonna do it because there is a typo ? ...

In the interest of full disclosure, I wasn't going to do it anyway. ...

The blatant unchecked error in their advertising simply brings the
credibility of their claims into question, in my mind, and I was
pointing that out.

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Sylvain Robitaille                               syl@encs.concordia.ca
 
Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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On Oct 14, 9:33 am, Sylvain Robitaille 
wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:10:50 -0700 (PDT), ed s wrote:
> > ... So your not gonna do it because there is a typo ? ...
>
> In the interest of full disclosure, I wasn't going to do it anyway. ...
>
> The blatant unchecked error in their advertising simply brings the
> credibility of their claims into question, in my mind, and I was
> pointing that out.
>
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Sylvain Robitaille                               s...@encs.concordia.ca
>
> Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
> Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

Tune to pitch and set intonation and fret the first few notes ( and
check a tuner )  - In full disclosure its off. Maybe ok for you not me
( drove my ears nuts).  : ' )   ed s.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:34:20 -0700 (PDT), ed s wrote:

> Tune to pitch and set intonation and fret the first few notes ( and
> check a tuner )  - In full disclosure its off.

That's all understood, but according to the Earvana web site, I need to
calibrate my tuner to "C 440Hz" in order to repeat their results.
*That's* what I'm on about.  What other claims do they make that are
less than accurate?

> Maybe ok for you not me ( drove my ears nuts).  : ' )   ed s.

Likewise, perhaps the inaccurate claims are ok for you, but for me they
affect the overall credibility of the advertiser.

Now, all of that said, I honestly *should* conduct the experiment and
see for myself how far off my guitars can be with a standard nut,
despite correct 12th fret intonation.  As I stated in an earlier
message, I'm not in any position to suggest that their compensated nut
does not improve overall intonation.

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Sylvain Robitaille                               syl@encs.concordia.ca
 
Systems analyst / AITS                            Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science   Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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I'm bored now.
Two of you having a conversation cross posted to FOUR newsgroups.
I don't care who either of you are and don't want to hear anything you have 
to say.
<plonk>
<plonk>

Sylvain Robitaille  wrote:
> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:42:47 -0400, RichL wrote:
>
>> PR people rule the roost now.  Technical folks are considered simply
>> as necessary evils.
>
> One possible response is simply to not purchase product from technical
> companies that have blatantly incorrect claims in their advertising.
> In my experience, PR people are usually in tight with bean counters.
> When the bean counters get bored of not having any beans to count,
> and the PR folks don't have any more technical people to "downsize",
> they might start to examine what really happened to their incoming
> flow of beans.
>
> It's a thought, at least ...

Well, my problem is employment with companies in which PR folks rule.
Not much I can do about that, especially with jobs being so hard to
find.

RichL wrote:
> Sylvain Robitaille  wrote:
>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:42:47 -0400, RichL wrote:
>>
>>> PR people rule the roost now.  Technical folks are considered simply
>>> as necessary evils.
>> One possible response is simply to not purchase product from technical
>> companies that have blatantly incorrect claims in their advertising.
>> In my experience, PR people are usually in tight with bean counters.
>> When the bean counters get bored of not having any beans to count,
>> and the PR folks don't have any more technical people to "downsize",
>> they might start to examine what really happened to their incoming
>> flow of beans.
>>
>> It's a thought, at least ...
> 
> Well, my problem is employment with companies in which PR folks rule.
> Not much I can do about that, especially with jobs being so hard to
> find.
> 
> 

PR is just a technology. It is a technology that works.

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Persuaders-Vance-Packard/dp/0671531492

--
Les Cargill

On Oct 1, 5:48 am, "Mr. Green" 
wrote:
> Ah just seen your previous thread. Your SG does have a few issues :-)
> The scallopped neck is the big thing as far as feel and set up. That
> would need a luthier. Lawrence does a fancy little tone control which
> may be worth adding to sort out the pickups. It's surpising how much
> difference you can make to the tone with just a few caps and
> resistors.
>
> Green
>

Horseshit.......scalloped fretboards have fuck all to do with
different setup requirements. Same rules apply.