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date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:19:07 -0700 (PDT),    group: uk.music.guitar        back       
Vintage Les Paul   
Now, I've always avoided Les Pauls to a large extent, due to having
played a 70's model owned by a friend and found it rather heavy on the
neck, which I don't like, having had a nasty problem with my neck when
I was about 14, which still causes me to hold my head slightly to one
side.  However,  I've lately been fancying one, and so I set out to
find one of the Vintage copies, which apparently are made in Korea.
And I found an absolute cracker.  I've been playing this for a while
now, after finding it on Ebay in Germany - Not easy, because Vintage
isn't distributed here, and I'm in love with it.   The pickups make
the right noises, the machineheads are lovely and smooth, but, most of
all, it's easy on the shoulder, and I can quite happily play it
standing up for an hour or two without regretting it.   I was going to
bring it to the National, but unfortunately plans to attend have had
to be shelved.

Anyway, a slight cautionary tale.  After about a month of playing, I
started to get a sound which sounded very much like fret choking,
which was very strange, as it has a lovely action and up till then,
played very well.  Even stranger... the choking sound moved down the
string when you re-tuned.  Fortunately I remembered having a similar
problem due to duff strings, and so off came the strings and on went a
nice new set of 10s.

Oops.  Action like an egg-slicer.

I tweaked the trussrod, assuming righty-tighty, lefty-loosey, and the
action got WORSE.  Had a sudden realisation - hang on, this is one of
those compression truss rods.  Adjusted it accordingly, and I'm now
back to plays-like-butter instead of cuts-boiled-eggs.
date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:19:07 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Sjfdix

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
"Sjfdix"  wrote in message 
news:ceea9a0f-ac66-4cff-b52d-ed1886a94f0d@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Now, I've always avoided Les Pauls to a large extent, due to having
> played a 70's model owned by a friend and found it rather heavy on the
> neck, which I don't like, having had a nasty problem with my neck when
> I was about 14, which still causes me to hold my head slightly to one
> side.  However,  I've lately been fancying one, and so I set out to
> find one of the Vintage copies, which apparently are made in Korea.
> And I found an absolute cracker.  I've been playing this for a while
> now, after finding it on Ebay in Germany - Not easy, because Vintage
> isn't distributed here, and I'm in love with it.   The pickups make
> the right noises, the machineheads are lovely and smooth, but, most of
> all, it's easy on the shoulder, and I can quite happily play it
> standing up for an hour or two without regretting it.   I was going to
> bring it to the National, but unfortunately plans to attend have had
> to be shelved.
>
> Anyway, a slight cautionary tale.  After about a month of playing, I
> started to get a sound which sounded very much like fret choking,
> which was very strange, as it has a lovely action and up till then,
> played very well.  Even stranger... the choking sound moved down the
> string when you re-tuned.  Fortunately I remembered having a similar
> problem due to duff strings, and so off came the strings and on went a
> nice new set of 10s.
>
> Oops.  Action like an egg-slicer.
>
> I tweaked the trussrod, assuming righty-tighty, lefty-loosey, and the
> action got WORSE.  Had a sudden realisation - hang on, this is one of
> those compression truss rods.  Adjusted it accordingly, and I'm now
> back to plays-like-butter instead of cuts-boiled-eggs.

I had the same problem with a Vintage TC200, Tele copy.   I was getting very 
frustrated until I realised in Vintage's case it was 'righty-loosey, 
lefty-tighty'   ;0
date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:58:13 +0100   author:   Bren

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
Sjfdix wrote:
> Now, I've always avoided Les Pauls to a large extent, due to having
> played a 70's model owned by a friend and found it rather heavy on the
> neck, which I don't like, having had a nasty problem with my neck when
> I was about 14, which still causes me to hold my head slightly to one
> side.  However,  I've lately been fancying one, and so I set out to
> find one of the Vintage copies, which apparently are made in Korea.
> And I found an absolute cracker.  I've been playing this for a while
> now, after finding it on Ebay in Germany - Not easy, because Vintage
> isn't distributed here, and I'm in love with it.   The pickups make
> the right noises, the machineheads are lovely and smooth, but, most of
> all, it's easy on the shoulder, and I can quite happily play it
> standing up for an hour or two without regretting it.   I was going to
> bring it to the National, but unfortunately plans to attend have had
> to be shelved.
> 
> Anyway, a slight cautionary tale.  After about a month of playing, I
> started to get a sound which sounded very much like fret choking,
> which was very strange, as it has a lovely action and up till then,
> played very well.  Even stranger... the choking sound moved down the
> string when you re-tuned.  Fortunately I remembered having a similar
> problem due to duff strings, and so off came the strings and on went a
> nice new set of 10s.
> 
> Oops.  Action like an egg-slicer.
> 
> I tweaked the trussrod, assuming righty-tighty, lefty-loosey, and the
> action got WORSE.  Had a sudden realisation - hang on, this is one of
> those compression truss rods.  Adjusted it accordingly, and I'm now
> back to plays-like-butter instead of cuts-boiled-eggs.

Nice one Steve :)

I've got the v100cs 'Les Paul', brilliant guitar - I have no idea how 
they make them for the money.

--
PaulS
date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:09:02 +0100   author:   PaulS

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
"Sjfdix"  wrote in message 
news:ceea9a0f-ac66-4cff-b52d-ed1886a94f0d@p15g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Now, I've always avoided Les Pauls to a large extent, due to having
> played a 70's model owned by a friend and found it rather heavy on the
> neck, which I don't like, having had a nasty problem with my neck when
> I was about 14, which still causes me to hold my head slightly to one
> side.  However,  I've lately been fancying one, and so I set out to
> find one of the Vintage copies, which apparently are made in Korea.
> And I found an absolute cracker.  I've been playing this for a while
> now, after finding it on Ebay in Germany - Not easy, because Vintage
> isn't distributed here, and I'm in love with it.   The pickups make
> the right noises, the machineheads are lovely and smooth, but, most of
> all, it's easy on the shoulder, and I can quite happily play it
> standing up for an hour or two without regretting it.   I was going to
> bring it to the National, but unfortunately plans to attend have had
> to be shelved.
>
> Anyway, a slight cautionary tale.  After about a month of playing, I
> started to get a sound which sounded very much like fret choking,
> which was very strange, as it has a lovely action and up till then,
> played very well.  Even stranger... the choking sound moved down the
> string when you re-tuned.  Fortunately I remembered having a similar
> problem due to duff strings, and so off came the strings and on went a
> nice new set of 10s.
>
> Oops.  Action like an egg-slicer.
>
> I tweaked the trussrod, assuming righty-tighty, lefty-loosey, and the
> action got WORSE.  Had a sudden realisation - hang on, this is one of
> those compression truss rods.  Adjusted it accordingly, and I'm now
> back to plays-like-butter instead of cuts-boiled-eggs.

Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could get them, 
same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100, a Vintage 
LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP (Korean) and a PRS CE 22.

Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of most 
of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck too.

Andrew(lefty)
date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:14:16 GMT   author:   Andrew\(lefty\)

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
Andrew(lefty) wrote:
<snip>
> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of most 
> of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck too.
> 
> Andrew(lefty) 
> 
> 

There's a bit of my set-neck one in action here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8yOSrL7bI

Includes 'Jazz notes' :)

--
Paul
date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:31:02 +0100   author:   PaulS

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
"PaulS"  wrote in message 
news:4ac1c5c6$0$2522$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> Andrew(lefty) wrote:
> <snip>
>> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of 
>> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck 
>> too.
>>
>> Andrew(lefty)
>
> There's a bit of my set-neck one in action here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8yOSrL7bI
>
> Includes 'Jazz notes' :)
>
> --
> Paul

Hi Paul, What's that effect you've got going there on the LP? Nice playing 
btw..:)
date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:24:21 +1000   author:   Lu R

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
Lu R wrote:
> "PaulS"  wrote in message 
> news:4ac1c5c6$0$2522$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>> Andrew(lefty) wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of 
>>> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck 
>>> too.
>>>
>>> Andrew(lefty)
>> There's a bit of my set-neck one in action here:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA8yOSrL7bI
>>
>> Includes 'Jazz notes' :)
>>
>> --
>> Paul
> 
> Hi Paul, What's that effect you've got going there on the LP? Nice playing 
> btw..:) 
> 
> 

Thanks :)

The only effects on there are distortion, reverb and delay.  It's the 
first factory-default user preset on my Flextone amp.

--
Paul
date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:01:22 +0100   author:   PaulS

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
"Andrew(lefty)"  wrote in message 
news:Y17wm.99389$OO7.73171@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could get them, 
> same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100, a 
> Vintage LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP (Korean) and a 
> PRS CE 22.
>
> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of 
> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck 
> too.
>
> Andrew(lefty)
>

I can understand that...
When i switched to lefty guitars from playing right-handers upside down and 
back to front,the first one i bought was the Vintage V99...
I figured i was taking a risk so didn't want to pay too much just to see how 
playing guitars "properly" suited me.

It really did blow me away when i first plugged in...
Tone wise,the thing really does shine with the Wilkinson p/u's.....i had 
lots of fun with it and actually managed to get the sound i was after no 
trouble..

I've stuck to playing lefties,and bought myself an Epi LP Custom,which while 
it looks the part doesn't really come close to the powerful sound of the 
Vintage..

regards,
dAVE
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:27:43 +0100   author:   dAVE B not@home

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
"dAVE B" <not@home> wrote in message 
news:ibmdnfsAhpqlD1nXnZ2dnUVZ8nadnZ2d@bt.com...
> "Andrew(lefty)"  wrote in message 
> news:Y17wm.99389$OO7.73171@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>
>> Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could get them, 
>> same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100, a 
>> Vintage LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP (Korean) and a 
>> PRS CE 22.
>>
>> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of 
>> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck 
>> too.
>>
>> Andrew(lefty)
>>
>
> I can understand that...
> When i switched to lefty guitars from playing right-handers upside down 
> and back to front,the first one i bought was the Vintage V99...
> I figured i was taking a risk so didn't want to pay too much just to see 
> how playing guitars "properly" suited me.
>
> It really did blow me away when i first plugged in...
> Tone wise,the thing really does shine with the Wilkinson p/u's.....i had 
> lots of fun with it and actually managed to get the sound i was after no 
> trouble..
>
> I've stuck to playing lefties,and bought myself an Epi LP Custom,which 
> while it looks the part doesn't really come close to the powerful sound of 
> the Vintage..

Which seems to be the considered opinion in here, i.e. that Epis are pretty 
good guitars but to make 'em sound like the real thing, you need to change 
the pickups at least.

George
(another lefty)
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:07:39 +0100   author:   George Weston

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
On 1 Oct, 13:07, "George Weston" 
wrote:
> "dAVE B" <not@home> wrote in message
>
> news:ibmdnfsAhpqlD1nXnZ2dnUVZ8nadnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Andrew(lefty)"  wrote in message
> >news:Y17wm.99389$OO7.73171@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> >> Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could get them,
> >> same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100, a
> >> Vintage LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP (Korean) and a
> >> PRS CE 22.
>
> >> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of
> >> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck
> >> too.
>
> >> Andrew(lefty)
>
> > I can understand that...
> > When i switched to lefty guitars from playing right-handers upside down
> > and back to front,the first one i bought was the Vintage V99...
> > I figured i was taking a risk so didn't want to pay too much just to see
> > how playing guitars "properly" suited me.
>
> > It really did blow me away when i first plugged in...
> > Tone wise,the thing really does shine with the Wilkinson p/u's.....i had
> > lots of fun with it and actually managed to get the sound i was after no
> > trouble..
>
> > I've stuck to playing lefties,and bought myself an Epi LP Custom,which
> > while it looks the part doesn't really come close to the powerful sound of
> > the Vintage..
>
> Which seems to be the considered opinion in here, i.e. that Epis are pretty
> good guitars but to make 'em sound like the real thing, you need to change
> the pickups at least.
>
> George
> (another lefty)

The P90's in my Epi '56 Gold Top are a bit microphonic at high
volumes... If I start gigging again soon, I'll be thinking about a set
of Bare Knuckles BKP-91 or 92s.

Ross
--
www.rossedwards.net
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Ross Edwards

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
On Oct 1, 3:31 pm, Ross Edwards  wrote:
> On 1 Oct, 13:07, "George Weston" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "dAVE B" <not@home> wrote in message
>
> >news:ibmdnfsAhpqlD1nXnZ2dnUVZ8nadnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> > > "Andrew(lefty)"  wrote in message
> > >news:Y17wm.99389$OO7.73171@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> > >> Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could get them,
> > >> same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100, a
> > >> Vintage LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP (Korean) and a
> > >> PRS CE 22.
>
> > >> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of
> > >> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck
> > >> too.
>
> > >> Andrew(lefty)
>
> > > I can understand that...
> > > When i switched to lefty guitars from playing right-handers upside down
> > > and back to front,the first one i bought was the Vintage V99...
> > > I figured i was taking a risk so didn't want to pay too much just to see
> > > how playing guitars "properly" suited me.
>
> > > It really did blow me away when i first plugged in...
> > > Tone wise,the thing really does shine with the Wilkinson p/u's.....i had
> > > lots of fun with it and actually managed to get the sound i was after no
> > > trouble..
>
> > > I've stuck to playing lefties,and bought myself an Epi LP Custom,which
> > > while it looks the part doesn't really come close to the powerful sound of
> > > the Vintage..
>
> > Which seems to be the considered opinion in here, i.e. that Epis are pretty
> > good guitars but to make 'em sound like the real thing, you need to change
> > the pickups at least.
>
> > George
> > (another lefty)
>
> The P90's in my Epi '56 Gold Top are a bit microphonic at high
> volumes... If I start gigging again soon, I'll be thinking about a set
> of Bare Knuckles BKP-91 or 92s.
>
> Ross
> --www.rossedwards.net

The P90s on my Korean Casino were a bit weedy until I made a couple of
spacers to get them up a bit higher.  They came with big stickers on
saying that the magnets were Alnicos.  Trouble is, there's no way I
know of finding out.
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:13:06 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Sjfdix

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
On Oct 1, 2:07 pm, "George Weston" 
wrote:
> "dAVE B" <not@home> wrote in message
>
> news:ibmdnfsAhpqlD1nXnZ2dnUVZ8nadnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
>
> > "Andrew(lefty)"  wrote in message
> >news:Y17wm.99389$OO7.73171@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> >> Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could get them,
> >> same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100, a
> >> Vintage LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP (Korean) and a
> >> PRS CE 22.
>
> >> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of
> >> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on neck
> >> too.
>
> >> Andrew(lefty)
>
> > I can understand that...
> > When i switched to lefty guitars from playing right-handers upside down
> > and back to front,the first one i bought was the Vintage V99...
> > I figured i was taking a risk so didn't want to pay too much just to see
> > how playing guitars "properly" suited me.
>
> > It really did blow me away when i first plugged in...
> > Tone wise,the thing really does shine with the Wilkinson p/u's.....i had
> > lots of fun with it and actually managed to get the sound i was after no
> > trouble..
>
> > I've stuck to playing lefties,and bought myself an Epi LP Custom,which
> > while it looks the part doesn't really come close to the powerful sound of
> > the Vintage..
>
> Which seems to be the considered opinion in here, i.e. that Epis are pretty
> good guitars but to make 'em sound like the real thing, you need to change
> the pickups at least.
>
> George
> (another lefty)

At the very least, put a better nut on them.
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:14:00 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Sjfdix

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
Ross Edwards wrote:

> "George Weston"  wrote:

[ ... ]

>> ... seems to be the considered opinion in here, i.e. that Epis are pretty
>> good guitars but to make 'em sound like the real thing, you need to change
>> the pickups at least.

> The P90's in my Epi '56 Gold Top are a bit microphonic at high
> volumes... If I start gigging again soon, I'll be thinking about a set
> of Bare Knuckles BKP-91 or 92s.

Good move if you do it.

I have one Epiphone - the Emperor Regent (essentially an Epi version of the 
Gibson Johnny Smith model) - and it sounded very "MIK" until I swapped the 
microphonic "floater" pickup for the genuine Gibson item, luckily sourced NOS 
OEM from an USA contact.

That's a heck of a lot of initials.
date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:12:50 +0100   author:   JNugent

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
"Sjfdix"  wrote in message 
news:c9f02e84-1f4f-4813-b8df-583578b3d5ca@j4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 1, 2:07 pm, "George Weston" 
wrote:
> "dAVE B" <not@home> wrote in message
>
> news:ibmdnfsAhpqlD1nXnZ2dnUVZ8nadnZ2d@bt.com...
>
>
>
> > "Andrew(lefty)"  wrote in message
> >news:Y17wm.99389$OO7.73171@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
> >> Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could get 
> >> them,
> >> same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100, a
> >> Vintage LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP (Korean) and 
> >> a
> >> PRS CE 22.
>
> >> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of
> >> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on 
> >> neck
> >> too.
>
> >> Andrew(lefty)
>
> > I can understand that...
> > When i switched to lefty guitars from playing right-handers upside down
> > and back to front,the first one i bought was the Vintage V99...
> > I figured i was taking a risk so didn't want to pay too much just to see
> > how playing guitars "properly" suited me.
>
> > It really did blow me away when i first plugged in...
> > Tone wise,the thing really does shine with the Wilkinson p/u's.....i had
> > lots of fun with it and actually managed to get the sound i was after no
> > trouble..
>
> > I've stuck to playing lefties,and bought myself an Epi LP Custom,which
> > while it looks the part doesn't really come close to the powerful sound 
> > of
> > the Vintage..
>
> Which seems to be the considered opinion in here, i.e. that Epis are 
> pretty
> good guitars but to make 'em sound like the real thing, you need to change
> the pickups at least.
>
> George
> (another lefty)

At the very least, put a better nut on them.

So we talking burstbuckers for the Epi LP's and why a better nut? Tuning 
issues? What would you recommend?
date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 03:47:51 +1000   author:   Lu R

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
Ross Edwards  wrote in
news:e1a92a19-97f2-41fc-bb4f-23d8d9ec9cc9@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com: 

> On 1 Oct, 13:07, "George Weston" 
> wrote:
>> "dAVE B" <not@home> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ibmdnfsAhpqlD1nXnZ2dnUVZ8nadnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Andrew(lefty)"  wrote in
>> > message 
>> >news:Y17wm.99389$OO7.73171@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>>
>> >> Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could
>> >> get th 
> em,
>> >> same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100,
>> >> a Vintage LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP
>> >> (Korean) a 
> nd a
>> >> PRS CE 22.
>>
>> >> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the
>> >> sound o 
> f
>> >> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt
>> >> on n 
> eck
>> >> too.
>>
>> >> Andrew(lefty)
>>
>> > I can understand that...
>> > When i switched to lefty guitars from playing right-handers upside
>> > down and back to front,the first one i bought was the Vintage
>> > V99... I figured i was taking a risk so didn't want to pay too much
>> > just to se 
> e
>> > how playing guitars "properly" suited me.
>>
>> > It really did blow me away when i first plugged in...
>> > Tone wise,the thing really does shine with the Wilkinson
>> > p/u's.....i ha 
> d
>> > lots of fun with it and actually managed to get the sound i was
>> > after n 
> o
>> > trouble..
>>
>> > I've stuck to playing lefties,and bought myself an Epi LP
>> > Custom,which while it looks the part doesn't really come close to
>> > the powerful sound 
>  of
>> > the Vintage..
>>
>> Which seems to be the considered opinion in here, i.e. that Epis are
>> pret 
> ty
>> good guitars but to make 'em sound like the real thing, you need to
>> chang 
> e
>> the pickups at least.
>>
>> George
>> (another lefty)
> 
> The P90's in my Epi '56 Gold Top are a bit microphonic at high
> volumes... If I start gigging again soon, I'll be thinking about a set
> of Bare Knuckles BKP-91 or 92s.

Just get them rewound and a new {Alnico4} magnety fitted by BK. I had
my Epi Wildcat P90s done this way and they sound fab. £80 the lot.
Have a chat with Tim @ BK
date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:01:10 +0000 (UTC)   author:   soupdragon

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
JNugent wrote:

> I have one Epiphone - the Emperor Regent (essentially an Epi version
> of the Gibson Johnny Smith model) - and it sounded very "MIK" until I
> swapped the microphonic "floater" pickup for the genuine Gibson item,
> luckily sourced NOS OEM from an USA contact.
> 
> That's a heck of a lot of initials.

LOL!

-- 
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date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 00:51:04 GMT   author:   tomScotland

Re: Vintage Les Paul   
In article <4ac4eb3d$0$5420$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
 "Lu R"  wrote:

> "Sjfdix"  wrote in message 
> news:c9f02e84-1f4f-4813-b8df-583578b3d5ca@j4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 1, 2:07 pm, "George Weston" 
> wrote:
> > "dAVE B" <not@home> wrote in message
> >
> > news:ibmdnfsAhpqlD1nXnZ2dnUVZ8nadnZ2d@bt.com...
> >
> >
> >
> > > "Andrew(lefty)"  wrote in message
> > >news:Y17wm.99389$OO7.73171@text.news.virginmedia.com...
> >
> > >> Many moons ago I posted a blind test of 4 identical (as I could get 
> > >> them,
> > >> same amp settings etc..) clips I recorded using an Epiphone LP100, a
> > >> Vintage LP copy that cost me £100 second hand, a Tokai LP (Korean) and 
> > >> a
> > >> PRS CE 22.
> >
> > >> Subscribers to this NG voted (blindly) the clip they liked the sound of
> > >> most of all was the Vintage. Great instrument for the money, bolt on 
> > >> neck
> > >> too.
> >
> > >> Andrew(lefty)
> >
> > > I can understand that...
> > > When i switched to lefty guitars from playing right-handers upside down
> > > and back to front,the first one i bought was the Vintage V99...
> > > I figured i was taking a risk so didn't want to pay too much just to see
> > > how playing guitars "properly" suited me.
> >
> > > It really did blow me away when i first plugged in...
> > > Tone wise,the thing really does shine with the Wilkinson p/u's.....i had
> > > lots of fun with it and actually managed to get the sound i was after no
> > > trouble..
> >
> > > I've stuck to playing lefties,and bought myself an Epi LP Custom,which
> > > while it looks the part doesn't really come close to the powerful sound 
> > > of
> > > the Vintage..
> >
> > Which seems to be the considered opinion in here, i.e. that Epis are 
> > pretty
> > good guitars but to make 'em sound like the real thing, you need to change
> > the pickups at least.
> >
> > George
> > (another lefty)
> 
> At the very least, put a better nut on them.
> 
> So we talking burstbuckers for the Epi LP's and why a better nut? Tuning 
> issues? What would you recommend? 

I 'did' an Epi. I didn't do the nut in the first round of alterations. I 
also left the bridge and tailpiece as stock - the tonal changes from 
that are modest. The key thing is the pickups. I replace mine with Bare 
Knuckles. I went for Stormy Mondays, but if you prefer the PAF sound, 
then the hotter Mules might be better.

While I was desoldering everything, I also replaced all the tone pots 
for CTS ones (some wood reaming needed for that) and put in a better 
switch and jack socket Essentially, the whole wiring harness was 
replaced - quite a good idea because I then sold the harness on EBAY 
complete for about £40. 

You can get more details here:

<http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/epiphone-les-pauls/46812-project-deborah
.html>


Nige.

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date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:35:38 +0100   author:   Nige

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