OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....

Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.

cheers to all

Andrew_S

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT), andrew_s
 wrote:

>OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
>seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
>Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
>very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>
>Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
>hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>
>cheers to all
>
>Andrew_S

Rap is slowly emerging from the gutter to being almost music. I blame
Eminem, personally, for realising that you can actually have a riff,
not just a drum line to work with.

Jay Z was on the telly the other night. I could almost understand him,
but the number he did had a genuine chorus and when the girlie singer
took it the whole number lifted from mediocrity to a really quite
tasty bit of soul.

Pete

wrote in message 
news:7vrib5ht69p21eeog04dndniinjhp1v01l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT), andrew_s
>  wrote:
>
>>OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
>>seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
>>Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
>>very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>>
>>Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
>>hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>>
>>cheers to all
>>
>>Andrew_S
>
> Rap is slowly emerging from the gutter to being almost music. I blame
> Eminem, personally, for realising that you can actually have a riff,
> not just a drum line to work with.
>
> Jay Z was on the telly the other night. I could almost understand him,
> but the number he did had a genuine chorus and when the girlie singer
> took it the whole number lifted from mediocrity to a really quite
> tasty bit of soul.
>
> Pete

I will never accept rap as music to my ears sorry. Melody rules ok? lol :)

On 22 Sep, 23:03, andrew_s  wrote:
> OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
> seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
> Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
> very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>
> Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
> hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>
> cheers to all
>
> Andrew_S

There's also a performance of it over on Radio 1, in Dizzee's studio:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/livelounge/artist/090917_dizzeerascal_tour.shtml


Superb stuff.


[5x5]

On Sep 23, 2:43 am, "Lu R"  wrote:

> I will never accept rap as music to my ears sorry. Melody rules ok? lol :Fortunately your ears aren't the sole arbiters of what constitutes
music. If melody rules, what happens with harmony? Rhythm? You can
have as much melody and harmony as you like, but the only one that
actually vital for it to be music is rhythm.


adrian

Lu R wrote:

>  wrote in message 
> news:7vrib5ht69p21eeog04dndniinjhp1v01l@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT), andrew_s
>>  wrote:

>>> OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
>>> seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
>>> Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
>>> very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>>> Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
>>> hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>>> cheers to all

>> Rap is slowly emerging from the gutter to being almost music. I blame
>> Eminem, personally, for realising that you can actually have a riff,
>> not just a drum line to work with.
>> Jay Z was on the telly the other night. I could almost understand him,
>> but the number he did had a genuine chorus and when the girlie singer
>> took it the whole number lifted from mediocrity to a really quite
>> tasty bit of soul.

> I will never accept rap as music to my ears sorry. Melody rules ok? lol :)

I know exactly what you mean, but would suggest that if Buddy Rich had ever 
recorded a track consisting of a five minute solo on the drum kit (and he 
might have done), it could not have failed to be very musical. But that's a 
very different kettle from what is usually thought of as rap, of course.

On Sep 22, 11:03 pm, andrew_s  wrote:
> OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
> seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
> Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
> very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>

I haven't seen the Jools programme yet, but the performances in the
Radio 1 Live Lounge were fantastic. Really great vibe and some nice
drumming from Mr Rascal himself. I'm really looking forward to getting
the new album if these songs are an indication.


adrian

wrote in message 
news:7vrib5ht69p21eeog04dndniinjhp1v01l@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT), andrew_s
>  wrote:
>
>>OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
>>seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
>>Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
>>very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>>
>>Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
>>hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>>
>>cheers to all
>>
>>Andrew_S
>
> Rap is slowly emerging from the gutter to being almost music. I blame
> Eminem, personally, for realising that you can actually have a riff,
> not just a drum line to work with.
>
> Jay Z was on the telly the other night. I could almost understand him,
> but the number he did had a genuine chorus and when the girlie singer
> took it the whole number lifted from mediocrity to a really quite
> tasty bit of soul.
>
> Pete


True.

I never thought I'd be into anything remotely related to rap... but I played 
and gigged with a band since May [1] whose main character is a rapper. It's 
a bit of rap, he sings a bit too (not very well, but we also had the 
guitarist who sings well, and a female backing singer). It was a bit of 
funk/blues mixed with rap. And it was pretty interesting (whichis why I 
joined). I was surprised I liked the result. But the truth is if one moves a 
bit beyong lyrics about "bitches and hos" and "busting a cap on yo ass, 
motherfucker", a rapping style can be used in a very musical way.

[1] I left the band just two weeks ago, due to non-musical differences. When 
a band stops being fun, great music won't save it for me.

Jose
-- 
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Richt Hoat Chillis:
http://www.myspace.com/rhcpscot  - Bass: OLP MM2
http://www.freakmusic.co.uk/scotland/bands/the_richt_hoat_chillis

www.myspace.com/purplenoise68
-
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anything@contractorcom.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT), andrew_s
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
>> seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
>> Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
>> very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>>
>> Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
>> hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>>
>> cheers to all
>>
>> Andrew_S
> 
> Rap is slowly emerging from the gutter to being almost music. I blame
> Eminem, personally, for realising that you can actually have a riff,
> not just a drum line to work with.

I always felt some Richard Thompson songs were sort of his take on Rap - 
consider "Bone Through Her Nose" or "Don't Tempt Me".

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:14:51 +0100, JNugent
 wrote:

>Lu R wrote:
>
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:7vrib5ht69p21eeog04dndniinjhp1v01l@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT), andrew_s
>>>  wrote:
>
>>>> OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
>>>> seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
>>>> Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
>>>> very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>>>> Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
>>>> hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>>>> cheers to all
>
>>> Rap is slowly emerging from the gutter to being almost music. I blame
>>> Eminem, personally, for realising that you can actually have a riff,
>>> not just a drum line to work with.
>>> Jay Z was on the telly the other night. I could almost understand him,
>>> but the number he did had a genuine chorus and when the girlie singer
>>> took it the whole number lifted from mediocrity to a really quite
>>> tasty bit of soul.
>
>> I will never accept rap as music to my ears sorry. Melody rules ok? lol :)
>
>I know exactly what you mean, but would suggest that if Buddy Rich had ever 
>recorded a track consisting of a five minute solo on the drum kit (and he 
>might have done), it could not have failed to be very musical. But that's a 
>very different kettle from what is usually thought of as rap, of course.

This is so ancient but I can't resist it...

On the day Buddy Rich died his bassis rang his wife nine times to ask
if it was true. Eventually the exasperated wife said "Why do you keep
calling? I've told you eight times already today that Buddy has died!"

The bassist said "Year, I know, I just can't hear it often enough!"

Pete

On 23 Sep, 07:38, "[5x5]"  wrote:
> On 22 Sep, 23:03, andrew_s  wrote:
>
> > OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
> > seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
> > Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
> > very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>
> > Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
> > hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>
> > cheers to all
>
> > Andrew_S
>
> There's also a performance of it over on Radio 1, in Dizzee's studio:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/livelounge/artist/090917_dizzeerascal_tou...
>
> Superb stuff.
>
> [5x5]

Excellent cover of Stevie V's "Dirty Cash" there...

Ross.

"Adrian Clark"  wrote in message 
news:e3723c2f-e0f1-47e1-bdfb-35b2f925a76b@o35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 23, 2:43 am, "Lu R"  wrote:

> I will never accept rap as music to my ears sorry. Melody rules ok? lol :)

Fortunately your ears aren't the sole arbiters of what constitutes
music. If melody rules, what happens with harmony? Rhythm? You can
have as much melody and harmony as you like, but the only one that
actually vital for it to be music is rhythm.

Which reminds me of an old friend, whose "party piece" was to start drumming 
arhythmically on the pub table whilst "singing" (out of tune):
"I (drum, drum) got (drum, drum,drum) rhy (drum) thm (drum, drum, drum, 
drum)"...etc.
You had to be there...

;-)

George

"[5x5]"  wrote in message 
news:2fc1df6c-c05f-4c35-8a50-f5321b63dd4c@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
On 22 Sep, 23:03, andrew_s  wrote:
> OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really, however I've just
> seen something which was good. Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
> Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
> very bluesy slide guitar for the song. Well, well well....
>
> Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday. Hmm
> hard rock meets rap. Interesting indeed.
>
> cheers to all
>
> Andrew_S

There's also a performance of it over on Radio 1, in Dizzee's studio:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/livelounge/artist/090917_dizzeerascal_tour.shtml


Superb stuff.


[5x5]

__________________

Many thanks for posting that! Highly enjoyable. Such a great bunch of 
musicians having real fun.


Brian.

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:51:40 GMT, anything@contractorcom.com wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT), andrew_s
> wrote:
>
>>OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
>>seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
>>Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
>>very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>>
>>Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
>>hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>>
>>cheers to all
>>
>>Andrew_S
>
>Rap is slowly emerging from the gutter to being almost music.

I thought the opposite. The original rap songs, like Rapper's Delight,
were musical. The current crop all have me reaching for the channel
button.

-- 
Chris Bolus (change o to zero to reply by email)
A guitar is for life, not just for Christmas!

On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:17:15 +0100, Chris Bolus 
wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 00:51:40 GMT, anything@contractorcom.com wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:03:50 -0700 (PDT), andrew_s
>> wrote:
>>
>>>OK, so I'm not a fan of rap in any form really,  however I've just
>>>seen something which was good.  Dizzee Rascal on Later with Jools
>>>Holland with (unless I'm much mistaken) Guthrie Govan playing some
>>>very bluesy slide guitar for the song.  Well, well well....
>>>
>>>Worth watching on iPlayer or on the extended show on Friday.    Hmm
>>>hard rock meets rap.  Interesting indeed.
>>>
>>>cheers to all
>>>
>>>Andrew_S
>>
>>Rap is slowly emerging from the gutter to being almost music.
>
>I thought the opposite. The original rap songs, like Rapper's Delight,
>were musical. The current crop all have me reaching for the channel
>button.

I don't need to reach for channel buttons - we've got a remote!

Pete

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:01:28 GMT, anything@contractorcom.com wrote in post
: <news:6ldlb5t15h8hg16q1k0kvnrtbtvsjdpblq@4ax.com> :

> I don't need to reach for channel buttons - we've got a remote!

I've got one of those too, but it's always just a bit too far away to
reach. That's why it's called a remote control.  :-(
-- 
Tim C.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:17:15 +0200, Tim C. wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:01:28 GMT, anything@contractorcom.com wrote in post
>: <news:6ldlb5t15h8hg16q1k0kvnrtbtvsjdpblq@4ax.com> :
> 
>> I don't need to reach for channel buttons - we've got a remote!
> 
> I've got one of those too, but it's always just a bit too far away to
> reach. That's why it's called a remote control.  :-(

Get your wife to do it (although, when it comes to TV remotes, that's
possibly delegating excessive powers). ;-)

"Tim C."  wrote in message 
news:wj5xk3iajhjo$.2uxsco1t6ppd.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:01:28 GMT, anything@contractorcom.com wrote in post
> : <news:6ldlb5t15h8hg16q1k0kvnrtbtvsjdpblq@4ax.com> :
>
>> I don't need to reach for channel buttons - we've got a remote!
>
> I've got one of those too, but it's always just a bit too far away to
> reach. That's why it's called a remote control.  :-(
> -- 
> Tim C.


My little brother was our remote control...


Jose
-- 
www.mcnach.com

Richt Hoat Chillis:
http://www.myspace.com/rhcpscot  - Bass: OLP MM2
http://www.freakmusic.co.uk/scotland/bands/the_richt_hoat_chillis

www.myspace.com/purplenoise68
-
Current favourite guitar: Fender 'Sambora' Stratocaster
Current favourite bass: Warwick Corvette $$