...thanks to all those who responded to my question about replacing
Invaders in a Laney valve VC50 a few weeks ago.  My own responses to
the thread didn't appear for some odd reason - sorry about that, don't
want to appear rude!

Anyway, someone had suggested Celestion Centuries and I duly had a
look  - spec seems excellent - very light, sensitive etc but the
slight concern I have is one I have about another contender, the
Vintage 30 - the upper mid prominence (also pushing my budget a bit
too). Now this is where it gets a bit complicated, so apologies in
advance.

I'm lucky in that I've got an Engl Thunder 50 1x12 combo featuring a
V30, so I know something of the animal. I have used the combo on its
own and it's pretty good, esp. when I used last as part of a 6 piece
band with another guitarist. It really sung out on solos, due in no
small part to its mid-range bark. However, when I'm with my regular 4
pc. band, it doesn't work on its own for me and so I hook it up to one
of my Marshall 1936 cabs (G12T-75s I think?), and this makes a huge
and positive sonic difference - as you might expect.

So, first I tried running the Laney into the Engl V30 spkr and
straight away it sounded much, much better than the HH Invaders -
great, but I'm concerned that two V30s in the open back cab of the
Laney are going to provide too much of that mid-range bark.  I tried
the Laney into the Marshall cab and it sounded great to me - there
seems to be a little bit of a dip in the mids and the bass tightened
up, but then again I know I'm comparing open and closed back cabs.

So then I started thinking about doing something that I've seen some
guys here talking about, and this is eventually coming to the point!,
what about pairing a V30 with a G12T-75?  ...to achieve a balance
between the agressiveness of the V30 with the slightly more even (some
might say vanilla) tonality of the G12.

Does anyone think that could work, or am I heading for disaster?

Finally I should say that I can't afford to spend huge bucks here -
I'm hoping to get away with a maximum of 130 quid ex. postage.

TIA

Tim

"Tim Hacker"  wrote in message 
news:18f39b60-9b1f-4c1e-8c63-492ff2819a32@y42g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> ...thanks to all those who responded to my question about replacing
> Invaders in a Laney valve VC50 a few weeks ago.  My own responses to
> the thread didn't appear for some odd reason - sorry about that, don't
> want to appear rude!
>
> Anyway, someone had suggested Celestion Centuries and I duly had a
> look  - spec seems excellent - very light, sensitive etc but the
> slight concern I have is one I have about another contender, the
> Vintage 30 - the upper mid prominence (also pushing my budget a bit
> too). Now this is where it gets a bit complicated, so apologies in
> advance.
>
> I'm lucky in that I've got an Engl Thunder 50 1x12 combo featuring a
> V30, so I know something of the animal. I have used the combo on its
> own and it's pretty good, esp. when I used last as part of a 6 piece
> band with another guitarist. It really sung out on solos, due in no
> small part to its mid-range bark. However, when I'm with my regular 4
> pc. band, it doesn't work on its own for me and so I hook it up to one
> of my Marshall 1936 cabs (G12T-75s I think?), and this makes a huge
> and positive sonic difference - as you might expect.
>
> So, first I tried running the Laney into the Engl V30 spkr and
> straight away it sounded much, much better than the HH Invaders -
> great, but I'm concerned that two V30s in the open back cab of the
> Laney are going to provide too much of that mid-range bark.  I tried
> the Laney into the Marshall cab and it sounded great to me - there
> seems to be a little bit of a dip in the mids and the bass tightened
> up, but then again I know I'm comparing open and closed back cabs.
>
> So then I started thinking about doing something that I've seen some
> guys here talking about, and this is eventually coming to the point!,
> what about pairing a V30 with a G12T-75?  ...to achieve a balance
> between the agressiveness of the V30 with the slightly more even (some
> might say vanilla) tonality of the G12.
>
> Does anyone think that could work, or am I heading for disaster?
>
> Finally I should say that I can't afford to spend huge bucks here -
> I'm hoping to get away with a maximum of 130 quid ex. postage.

Tim,
Have you had a listen to the Celestion Tone Selector site?
http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/features/tone/index.asp
I just had a browse myself and it gives a good indication of the sound you'd 
expect for various musical genres and amps
Hope that helps.

George

George

...well George, I feel a bit stupid for not having found that resource
before - flipping excellent - thanks v. much.  And I'm bound to say
that it supports my leaning towards the G12-75T (can't stretch to the
G12H sadly).

Cheers

Tim




On Sep 11, 6:41 pm, "George Weston" 
wrote:
> "Tim Hacker"  wrote in message
>
> news:18f39b60-9b1f-4c1e-8c63-492ff2819a32@y42g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > ...thanks to all those who responded to my question about replacing
> > Invaders in a Laney valve VC50 a few weeks ago.  My own responses to
> > the thread didn't appear for some odd reason - sorry about that, don't
> > want to appear rude!
>
> > Anyway, someone had suggested Celestion Centuries and I duly had a
> > look  - spec seems excellent - very light, sensitive etc but the
> > slight concern I have is one I have about another contender, the
> > Vintage 30 - the upper mid prominence (also pushing my budget a bit
> > too). Now this is where it gets a bit complicated, so apologies in
> > advance.
>
> > I'm lucky in that I've got an Engl Thunder 50 1x12 combo featuring a
> > V30, so I know something of the animal. I have used the combo on its
> > own and it's pretty good, esp. when I used last as part of a 6 piece
> > band with another guitarist. It really sung out on solos, due in no
> > small part to its mid-range bark. However, when I'm with my regular 4
> > pc. band, it doesn't work on its own for me and so I hook it up to one
> > of my Marshall 1936 cabs (G12T-75s I think?), and this makes a huge
> > and positive sonic difference - as you might expect.
>
> > So, first I tried running the Laney into the Engl V30 spkr and
> > straight away it sounded much, much better than the HH Invaders -
> > great, but I'm concerned that two V30s in the open back cab of the
> > Laney are going to provide too much of that mid-range bark.  I tried
> > the Laney into the Marshall cab and it sounded great to me - there
> > seems to be a little bit of a dip in the mids and the bass tightened
> > up, but then again I know I'm comparing open and closed back cabs.
>
> > So then I started thinking about doing something that I've seen some
> > guys here talking about, and this is eventually coming to the point!,
> > what about pairing a V30 with a G12T-75?  ...to achieve a balance
> > between the agressiveness of the V30 with the slightly more even (some
> > might say vanilla) tonality of the G12.
>
> > Does anyone think that could work, or am I heading for disaster?
>
> > Finally I should say that I can't afford to spend huge bucks here -
> > I'm hoping to get away with a maximum of 130 quid ex. postage.
>
> Tim,
> Have you had a listen to the Celestion Tone Selector site?http://professional.celestion.com/guitar/features/tone/index.asp
> I just had a browse myself and it gives a good indication of the sound you'd
> expect for various musical genres and amps
> Hope that helps.
>
> George
>
> George

"Tim Hacker"  wrote in message 
news:14b67253-39ac-45e7-92fe-ff25aaa27065@j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
...well George, I feel a bit stupid for not having found that resource
before - flipping excellent - thanks v. much.  And I'm bound to say
that it supports my leaning towards the G12-75T (can't stretch to the
G12H sadly).

Cheers

Tim

Yep - fascinatin' innit!
I have an old Marshall MG50 solid state amp that I use for practice and for 
rough (i.e. outdoors) gigs, which frankly sounded like crap until I replaced 
the horrible original Park speaker with a Classic Lead 80.
All of a sudden it got much louder and sounded almost like a real amplifier!
I think I'll leave the Celestion Blues in my AC30 though.... ;-)

George

In article ,
 "George Weston"  wrote:

> "Tim Hacker"  wrote in message 
> news:14b67253-39ac-45e7-92fe-ff25aaa27065@j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> ...well George, I feel a bit stupid for not having found that resource
> before - flipping excellent - thanks v. much.  And I'm bound to say
> that it supports my leaning towards the G12-75T (can't stretch to the
> G12H sadly).
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Tim
> 
> Yep - fascinatin' innit!
> I have an old Marshall MG50 solid state amp that I use for practice and for 
> rough (i.e. outdoors) gigs, which frankly sounded like crap until I replaced 
> the horrible original Park speaker with a Classic Lead 80.
> All of a sudden it got much louder and sounded almost like a real amplifier!
> I think I'll leave the Celestion Blues in my AC30 though.... ;-)
> 
> George 

Funny you should have said that about MG50s. I use mine as a cab for an 
Orange TT and I replaced whatever the chuff was in there with a 
Celestion Vintage 30. It sounds amazing. There is a ohm mis-match with 
the original solid state gear that reduces the by to half, but nothing 
that can't be fixed with an extension cab should I ever end up gigging. 

Nige.

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