... as played by Pentangle on their 'Solomon's Seal' album; there's a 
live rendition here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNn2TDDru0

Googling has turned up a few results, none of which match this version.

Anyone got these?

Thanks in advance,
--
Paul

PaulS wrote:
> 
> ... as played by Pentangle on their 'Solomon's Seal' album; there's a 
> live rendition here:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNn2TDDru0
> 
> Googling has turned up a few results, none of which match this version.
> 
> Anyone got these?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> -- 
> Paul

Have a listen to mine, which is probably not as jazzy as Pentangle made 
it originally, or as difficult to interpret as the dulcimer version:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=2395&songID=715121

The basic sequence I use is:

Em D/F# G G Dsus4 Dsus4
(shape - in drop D - 004032 - with the f#-g alternation between strings 
4 and 3, which is a hook in the Renbourn/Jansch early version - in 
DADGAD, even more so just 004000)
Am Am6 (I use Em) C C
Em D G Em
G  G  C  C

The tune doesn't really have chords, being a Child ballad tune and 
actually the wrong one for the song - Dick Gaughan's WoW is a Scots 
variation, and Nic Jones did a faithful rendering of the Cecil Sharp 
published variant Thomas of Winesbery, neither all that close.

Despite lack of authenticity I've always loved the 'wrong' Pentangle 
tune, which I think came via Andy Irvine or another third party using 
it. I learned it from a very early album, pre-Pentangle, called 'Bert 
Jansch and John Renbourn', in 1968 and have played it to a slowly 
declining state of similarity ever since.

David

"PaulS"  wrote in message 
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>
> ... as played by Pentangle on their 'Solomon's Seal' album; there's a live 
> rendition here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNn2TDDru0
>
> Googling has turned up a few results, none of which match this version.
>
> Anyone got these?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> --
> Paul

Well, having had a quick listen, it sounds to me something like:

G C G Bm
G Bm C
C G Em? D
C Am? C

George

"PaulS"  wrote in message 
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>
> ... as played by Pentangle on their 'Solomon's Seal' album; there's a live 
> rendition here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNn2TDDru0
>
> Googling has turned up a few results, none of which match this version.
>
> Anyone got these?

The one I know is "Lord Thomas of Winesberry and the King's Daughter"  from 
Barbara Dickson's album "From the Beggar's Mantle..." from about 1972. 
There's a similarity with this version, but that might be mostly the vocal 
line. Now I'll have to dig it out and listen to it again...

-- 
GS
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"David Kilpatrick"  wrote in message 
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 - Dick Gaughan's WoW is a Scots
> variation, and Nic Jones did a faithful rendering of the Cecil Sharp 
> published variant Thomas of Winesbery, neither all that close.

David, any chance of a few playing tips for Dick Gaughans version? I *think* 
its tuned DAAEAE capo'd second fret but thats as far as I'm getting with it. 
DG's version is by far my favourite, beautiful and damned hard to play by 
the sounds of it!


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tomScotland wrote:
> 
> "David Kilpatrick"  wrote in message 
> news:F9qdne7BFoHhIsfVnZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
> - Dick Gaughan's WoW is a Scots
>> variation, and Nic Jones did a faithful rendering of the Cecil Sharp 
>> published variant Thomas of Winesbery, neither all that close.
> 
> David, any chance of a few playing tips for Dick Gaughans version? I 
> *think* its tuned DAAEAE capo'd second fret but thats as far as I'm 
> getting with it. DG's version is by far my favourite, beautiful and 
> damned hard to play by the sounds of it!
> 
> 

Never tried it - out of respect, I guess. It could be in one of Dick's 
bagpipe-friendly tunings as you mention above.

Here is Dick's own tune and chords and notes which you probably know:

http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/songs/staves/stave-winsbury.html

His comment at the bottom - that the tune is only rough, just a guide, 
and the chords may not be what you choose - is exactly what I feel about 
this type of song. The use of frequent G chords indicates he's probably 
in DADGAD.

I listened to the downloadable mp3, which is a pretty good live take, 
and he is playing DADGAD with the capo on 3, in 1st position nearly all 
the time. The ornamental roll is a two-finger hammer-pull based on the 
3/4 and 4/5 string in a frets 2 4-2-0/4\0 2 0/4 pattern (/=down a string 
\=up) - the entire guitar part can be played using the open string, 2nd 
and 4th frets of string 5,4,3,2,1 with just a small excursion up the 1st 
string.

It's quite easy to get the basis of the accompaniment down (it's not 
unlike Daithi Sproule's 'Death of Queen Jane' DADGAD progression), 
harder to come anywhere close to the way Dick times the lyric over this, 
and of course impossible to get near the *quality* of the vocal sound :-)

The mp3 file is here:

http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/songs/mp3s/vintage/willieowinsbury-vlissingen-oct79.mp3

David

"David Kilpatrick"  wrote in message 
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> tomScotland wrote:
>>
>> "David Kilpatrick"  wrote in message 
>> news:F9qdne7BFoHhIsfVnZ2dnUVZ8hednZ2d@bt.com...
>> - Dick Gaughan's WoW is a Scots
>>> variation, and Nic Jones did a faithful rendering of the Cecil Sharp 
>>> published variant Thomas of Winesbery, neither all that close.
>>
>> David, any chance of a few playing tips for Dick Gaughans version? I 
>> *think* its tuned DAAEAE capo'd second fret but thats as far as I'm 
>> getting with it. DG's version is by far my favourite, beautiful and 
>> damned hard to play by the sounds of it!
>>
>>
>
> Never tried it - out of respect, I guess. It could be in one of Dick's 
> bagpipe-friendly tunings as you mention above.
>
> Here is Dick's own tune and chords and notes which you probably know:
>
> http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/songs/staves/stave-winsbury.html
>
> His comment at the bottom - that the tune is only rough, just a guide, and 
> the chords may not be what you choose - is exactly what I feel about this 
> type of song. The use of frequent G chords indicates he's probably in 
> DADGAD.
>
> I listened to the downloadable mp3, which is a pretty good live take, and 
> he is playing DADGAD with the capo on 3, in 1st position nearly all the 
> time. The ornamental roll is a two-finger hammer-pull based on the 3/4 and 
> 4/5 string in a frets 2 4-2-0/4\0 2 0/4 pattern (/=down a string \=up) - 
> the entire guitar part can be played using the open string, 2nd and 4th 
> frets of string 5,4,3,2,1 with just a small excursion up the 1st string.
>
> It's quite easy to get the basis of the accompaniment down (it's not 
> unlike Daithi Sproule's 'Death of Queen Jane' DADGAD progression), harder 
> to come anywhere close to the way Dick times the lyric over this, and of 
> course impossible to get near the *quality* of the vocal sound :-)
>
> The mp3 file is here:
>
> http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/songs/mp3s/vintage/willieowinsbury-vlissingen-oct79.mp3
>
> David

Wow! david, thanks...you've given me something to get my teeth into tomorrow 
after work. It just didn't sound DADGAD to me at all, but the live version 
on the songlink page sounds exactly like the recorded version (which is 
close to being my favourite DG song, others giving it a run for its money 
being The Granemore Hare and the Workers Song...oh, and about 25 others)

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David Kilpatrick wrote:
> PaulS wrote:
>>
>> ... as played by Pentangle on their 'Solomon's Seal' album; there's a 
>> live rendition here:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uNn2TDDru0
>>
>> Googling has turned up a few results, none of which match this version.
>>
>> Anyone got these?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> -- 
>> Paul
> 
> Have a listen to mine, which is probably not as jazzy as Pentangle made 
> it originally, or as difficult to interpret as the dulcimer version:
> 
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=2395&songID=715121
> 
> The basic sequence I use is:
> 
> Em D/F# G G Dsus4 Dsus4
> (shape - in drop D - 004032 - with the f#-g alternation between strings 
> 4 and 3, which is a hook in the Renbourn/Jansch early version - in 
> DADGAD, even more so just 004000)
> Am Am6 (I use Em) C C
> Em D G Em
> G  G  C  C
> 
> The tune doesn't really have chords, being a Child ballad tune and 
> actually the wrong one for the song - Dick Gaughan's WoW is a Scots 
> variation, and Nic Jones did a faithful rendering of the Cecil Sharp 
> published variant Thomas of Winesbery, neither all that close.
> 
> Despite lack of authenticity I've always loved the 'wrong' Pentangle 
> tune, which I think came via Andy Irvine or another third party using 
> it. I learned it from a very early album, pre-Pentangle, called 'Bert 
> Jansch and John Renbourn', in 1968 and have played it to a slowly 
> declining state of similarity ever since.
> 
> David

Thanks David - I'll give that a go.

Really enjoyed your recording, btw.
--
Paul