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I meant what does everyone think of the Gibson Robot guitar?




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A wrote:
> I meant what does everyone think of the Gibson Robot guitar?
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It seems to me that they are inventing a problem to satisfy their solution.



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but les pauls are crap at staying in tune..





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>> I meant what does everyone think of the Gibson Robot guitar?
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On 6 Jun, 13:43, "A"  wrote:
> but les pauls are crap at staying in tune..


Mine isn't

I gigged with it in December, rehearsed in  April needing very, very
minor tuning. Gigged 2 weeks after that it was bang in tune straight
out of the case.
I think most tuning problems on any 'reasonable' guitar are probably
to do with how the strings are wound. I don't think I own a guitar
that suffers from tuning issues, apart from the odd tweak half way
through a set.

That's where the robot thing is interesting though, it would be great
never having to worry about tuning during a gig. Those who front
bands, as well as playing, don't necessarily have the luxury of the
time to tune up in between songs. That would be the pull for me I
suppose....

Graze

Graze wrote:
> On 6 Jun, 13:43, "A"  wrote:
>> but les pauls are crap at staying in tune..
> 
> 
> Mine isn't
> 
> I gigged with it in December, rehearsed in  April needing very, very
> minor tuning. Gigged 2 weeks after that it was bang in tune straight
> out of the case.
> I think most tuning problems on any 'reasonable' guitar are probably
> to do with how the strings are wound. I don't think I own a guitar
> that suffers from tuning issues, apart from the odd tweak half way
> through a set.
> 
> That's where the robot thing is interesting though, it would be great
> never having to worry about tuning during a gig. Those who front
> bands, as well as playing, don't necessarily have the luxury of the
> time to tune up in between songs. That would be the pull for me I
> suppose....
> 
> Graze
Plus alternative tunings are possible without resorting to FX or 
modelling guitars..
Still a bit of overkill I feel

Graze wrote:

> "A"  wrote:

>> but les pauls are crap at staying in tune..

> Mine isn't
> I gigged with it in December, rehearsed in  April needing very, very
> minor tuning. Gigged 2 weeks after that it was bang in tune straight
> out of the case.
> I think most tuning problems on any 'reasonable' guitar are probably
> to do with how the strings are wound. I don't think I own a guitar
> that suffers from tuning issues, apart from the odd tweak half way
> through a set.

I could never keep my LP in tune with sort of strings that came with it 
new (9-42, I think), or with 10-46.

Eventually, I strung it with 11-50 (wound third) and it came alive - 
perfectly in tune.

might try this with mine, heaviest strings I have used have been 10-46.

Robot guitar looks a bit pricey too, I seen a couple of ex demos on ebay for 
same price as new £1400.
On GAK a Les paul studio Gibson is £749 and they have one for £479 Epiphones 
is £179.


Didn't Fender bring out a self tuning strat a few years ago? I have never 
seen one since though.








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> Graze wrote:
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>> "A"  wrote:
>
>>> but les pauls are crap at staying in tune..
>
>> Mine isn't
>> I gigged with it in December, rehearsed in  April needing very, very
>> minor tuning. Gigged 2 weeks after that it was bang in tune straight
>> out of the case.
>> I think most tuning problems on any 'reasonable' guitar are probably
>> to do with how the strings are wound. I don't think I own a guitar
>> that suffers from tuning issues, apart from the odd tweak half way
>> through a set.
>
> I could never keep my LP in tune with sort of strings that came with it 
> new (9-42, I think), or with 10-46.
>
> Eventually, I strung it with 11-50 (wound third) and it came alive - 
> perfectly in tune. 

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On 9 Jun, 12:17, "A"  wrote:
> might try this with mine, heaviest strings I have used have been 10-46.
>
> Robot guitar looks a bit pricey too, I seen a couple of ex demos on ebay for
> same price as new £1400.
> On GAK a Les paul studio Gibson is £749 and they have one for £479 Epiphones
> is £179.
>
> Didn't Fender bring out a self tuning strat a few years ago? I have never
> seen one since though.
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> > Graze wrote:
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> >> "A"  wrote:
>
> >>> but les pauls are crap at staying in tune..
>
> >> Mine isn't
> >> I gigged with it in December, rehearsed in  April needing very, very
> >> minor tuning. Gigged 2 weeks after that it was bang in tune straight
> >> out of the case.
> >> I think most tuning problems on any 'reasonable' guitar are probably
> >> to do with how the strings are wound. I don't think I own a guitar
> >> that suffers from tuning issues, apart from the odd tweak half way
> >> through a set.
>
> > I could never keep my LP in tune with sort of strings that came with it
> > new (9-42, I think), or with 10-46.
>
> > Eventually, I strung it with 11-50 (wound third) and it came alive -
> > perfectly in tune.
>
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Its a shame this day and age when 99.99% of every recorded tune
features instruments in near perfect pitch . Ive just been listening
to a load of old Yardbirds songs , and clearly those boys tuned by
ear . And the tunes sound better for it . Sometimes you get a clash of
pitches which adds tension to the track . Bass instruments seem to
show this more .

On 8 Jun, 17:54, JNugent  wrote:
> Graze wrote:
> > "A"  wrote:
> >> but les pauls are crap at staying in tune..
> > Mine isn't
> > I gigged with it in December, rehearsed in  April needing very, very
> > minor tuning. Gigged 2 weeks after that it was bang in tune straight
> > out of the case.
> > I think most tuning problems on any 'reasonable' guitar are probably
> > to do with how the strings are wound. I don't think I own a guitar
> > that suffers from tuning issues, apart from the odd tweak half way
> > through a set.
>
> I could never keep my LP in tune with sort of strings that came with it
> new (9-42, I think), or with 10-46.
>
> Eventually, I strung it with 11-50 (wound third) and it came alive -
> perfectly in tune.

Maybe we should have a "how do you wind your strings " thread........
I'm sure it must have been done already.

I've read you should put 6 turns on each string but that doesn't work
for me.
I go for 2-3 with a "through, back. under and up" so it locks itself.
I've got away with 1 wind as an emergency at a gig.

G

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On 8 Jun, 17:54, JNugent  wrote:
> I've read you should put 6 turns on each string but
> that doesn't work for me.

Because there is more string to slip.

> I go for 2-3 with a "through, back. under and up"
> so it locks itself.

That's an excellent technique which I use for plain strings and sometimes 
for wound ones. The alternative that I use for wound strings is "one wind 
over and one wind under". The two winds are pushed together by the profile 
of the capstan and grip the string.

Steve.

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> On 8 Jun, 17:54, JNugent  wrote:
>> I've read you should put 6 turns on each string but
>> that doesn't work for me.
>
> Because there is more string to slip.
>
>> I go for 2-3 with a "through, back. under and up"
>> so it locks itself.
>
> That's an excellent technique which I use for plain strings and sometimes 
> for wound ones. The alternative that I use for wound strings is "one wind 
> over and one wind under". The two winds are pushed together by the profile 
> of the capstan and grip the string.
>
> Steve.

I've always used the same method as Steve for all six strings (i.e. over and 
under), and have had minimal, if any, slippage providing they are then 
stretched properly.

Peter

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>> On 8 Jun, 17:54, JNugent  wrote:
>>> I've read you should put 6 turns on each string but
>>> that doesn't work for me.
>> Because there is more string to slip.
>>
>>> I go for 2-3 with a "through, back. under and up"
>>> so it locks itself.
>> That's an excellent technique which I use for plain strings and sometimes 
>> for wound ones. The alternative that I use for wound strings is "one wind 
>> over and one wind under". The two winds are pushed together by the profile 
>> of the capstan and grip the string.
>>
>> Steve.
> 
> I've always used the same method as Steve for all six strings (i.e. over and 
> under), and have had minimal, if any, slippage providing they are then 
> stretched properly.
> 
> Peter 
> 
> 


Same here.  Over & Under with good aggressive stretching all up and down 
the string (including the few inches on the peg side of the nut).  My 
guitars do not have tuning issues and there is typically 2 winds around 
each post.  Sometimes less.  I use tuning machines that have high gear 
ratios and are spring tensioned for minimal backlash.

On my latest project I went with locking tuning machines as this is my 
first guitar with a trem bridge!

Peace

DV