I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other than 
a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue

http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx

I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign else 
at this price!!

Angof

On 14 May, 18:47, "Angof"  wrote:
> I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other than
> a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>
> http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>
> I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign else
> at this price!!
>
> Angof

Even if the guitar body was made of cardboard that's still a really
good price considering, you also get a book, strap and gig bag!

Probably the combination of CNC machines and under paid Chinese
labours working in unsafe conditions. These imports are then allowed
into our market to compete against, more expensive items made by much
fairer employers who spend money on their staff and their staffs
working conditions. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot! The
more cheap goods we buy the harder it is for our manufactures to
compete so, the less they pay us therefore, we ending up having less
to spend so buy more cheap goods!

Conscience can be such a spoiler. But it's still hard to resist.

Cliff

On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:39 +0100, "Angof"  wrote:

>I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other than 
>a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>
>http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>
>I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign else 
>at this price!!

Out of stock according to the web page!  I might be tempted - I could
do with an acoustic for emergencies (i.e. power cuts) ;-)

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(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles
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"Mark"  wrote in message 
news:4q7o24lhighm9sga7vhuak4h2u5pcgaceh@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:39 +0100, "Angof"  wrote:
>
>>I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other 
>>than
>>a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>
>>http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>
>>I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign 
>>else
>>at this price!!
>
> Out of stock according to the web page!  I might be tempted - I could
> do with an acoustic for emergencies (i.e. power cuts) ;-)

http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Musical-Instruments/subcat/Guitars


-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

On Thu, 15 May 2008 02:32:44 -0700 (PDT), Cliff
 wrote:

>On 14 May, 18:47, "Angof"  wrote:
>> I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other than
>> a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>
>> http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>
>> I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign else
>> at this price!!
>>
>> Angof
>
>Even if the guitar body was made of cardboard that's still a really
>good price considering, you also get a book, strap and gig bag!
>
>Probably the combination of CNC machines and under paid Chinese
>labours working in unsafe conditions. These imports are then allowed
>into our market to compete against, more expensive items made by much
>fairer employers who spend money on their staff and their staffs
>working conditions. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot! The
>more cheap goods we buy the harder it is for our manufactures to
>compete so, the less they pay us therefore, we ending up having less
>to spend so buy more cheap goods!
>
>Conscience can be such a spoiler. But it's still hard to resist.

Good point, but the battle was lost years ago.  I used to boycot
products that were made in countries with poor HR records but it soon
became impossible as everything is made in China now!

-- 
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(")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking most articles
posted from there.  If you wish your postings to be seen by
everyone you will need use a different method of posting.
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On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:59:35 +0100, "William Black"
 wrote:

>
>"Mark"  wrote in message 
>news:4q7o24lhighm9sga7vhuak4h2u5pcgaceh@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:39 +0100, "Angof"  wrote:
>>
>>>I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other 
>>>than
>>>a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>>
>>>http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>>
>>>I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign 
>>>else
>>>at this price!!
>>
>> Out of stock according to the web page!  I might be tempted - I could
>> do with an acoustic for emergencies (i.e. power cuts) ;-)
>
>http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Musical-Instruments/subcat/Guitars

That looks like a classical guitar.  The tesco one I think is steel
stringed.

-- 
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"Mark"  wrote in message 
news:7oeo245fqhq20m1j99tk19fb8od0if97md@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:59:35 +0100, "William Black"
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mark"  wrote in message
>>news:4q7o24lhighm9sga7vhuak4h2u5pcgaceh@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:39 +0100, "Angof"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other
>>>>than
>>>>a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>>>
>>>>http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>>>
>>>>I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign
>>>>else
>>>>at this price!!
>>>
>>> Out of stock according to the web page!  I might be tempted - I could
>>> do with an acoustic for emergencies (i.e. power cuts) ;-)
>>
>>http://www.ebuyer.com/cat/Musical-Instruments/subcat/Guitars
>
> That looks like a classical guitar.  The tesco one I think is steel
> stringed.
>

Try Amazon then.

They've got a Yamaha F310 with all the bits (strap,  tuner,  spare strings, 
gig bag and etc) for £74.

Which means you're paying about £50 for the guitar.

There is absolutely no shortage of guitars of perfectly  reasonable quality 
on sale on the net in the UK for next to nothing.

-- 
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Cliff wrote:
> On 14 May, 18:47, "Angof"  wrote:
>> I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other than
>> a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>
>> http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>
>> I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign else
>> at this price!!
>>
>> Angof
> 
> Even if the guitar body was made of cardboard that's still a really
> good price considering, you also get a book, strap and gig bag!
> 
> Probably the combination of CNC machines and under paid Chinese
> labours working in unsafe conditions. These imports are then allowed
> into our market to compete against, more expensive items made by much
> fairer employers who spend money on their staff and their staffs
> working conditions. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot! The
> more cheap goods we buy the harder it is for our manufactures to
> compete so, the less they pay us therefore, we ending up having less
> to spend so buy more cheap goods!
> 
> Conscience can be such a spoiler. But it's still hard to resist.

I'll find it easy enough!

"Mark"  wrote in message 
news:4q7o24lhighm9sga7vhuak4h2u5pcgaceh@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:39 +0100, "Angof"  wrote:
>
>>I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other 
>>than
>>a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>
>>http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>
>>I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign 
>>else
>>at this price!!
>
> Out of stock according to the web page!  I might be tempted - I could
> do with an acoustic for emergencies (i.e. power cuts) ;-)


Nah, buy a cheap generator.

Chris

Cliff  wrote:

> On 14 May, 18:47, "Angof"  wrote:
> > I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other than
> > a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
> >
> > http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
> >
> > I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign else
> > at this price!!
> >
> > Angof
> 
> Even if the guitar body was made of cardboard that's still a really
> good price considering, you also get a book, strap and gig bag!
> 
> Probably the combination of CNC machines and under paid Chinese
> labours working in unsafe conditions. These imports are then allowed
> into our market to compete against, more expensive items made by much
> fairer employers who spend money on their staff and their staffs
> working conditions. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot! The
> more cheap goods we buy the harder it is for our manufactures to
> compete so, the less they pay us therefore, we ending up having less
> to spend so buy more cheap goods!

It depends. If you were in the market for an acoustic guitar, you almost
certainly wouldn't buy one at tescos. However, if you just walked in and
saw it, noone here would be losing out as you wouldn't have got one
otherwise.


-- 
Woody

www.alienrat.com

Hey dont forget your 40 points also .  So thats £39.56 a saving of
40p .

"Cliff"  wrote in message 
news:3eb89c92-866c-4cf1-8dca-9c1fe74ffd91@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 14 May, 18:47, "Angof"  wrote:
>> I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other 
>> than
>> a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>
>> http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>
>> I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign 
>> else
>> at this price!!
>>
>> Angof
>
> Even if the guitar body was made of cardboard that's still a really
> good price considering, you also get a book, strap and gig bag!
>
> Probably the combination of CNC machines and under paid Chinese
> labours working in unsafe conditions. These imports are then allowed
> into our market to compete against, more expensive items made by much
> fairer employers who spend money on their staff and their staffs
> working conditions.

Not necessarily true. I watched a documentary some time ago about the new 
Chinese economy and their factories are now second to none. Workers come 
from all over China for jobs that are by Chinese standards very well paid. 
It is the new breed of better paid Chinese worker that is helping drive 
their economy.

There was also an article in one of the guitar mags some years ago that 
mentioned the factory where Squier, and other brands, are made. I seem to 
remember they commented on the excellent quality and quality control.

I'm sure there are still plenty of really poor factories out there but the 
fact that most of the stuff we buy these days is made in China is no 
accident.

-- 
Regards
Nick

But i also believe the workers are paid a pittance . And im pretty the
Chinese emphasize *the look* and not the quality , And we have seen
the results of this ethic in the recent Earthquake as many recently
built structures have simply crumbled to earth . A result of shoddy
engineering and design in favor of economy and looks .

nosferatu  wrote:

> But i also believe the workers are paid a pittance . 

The workers are probably paid what we would consider a pittance, but how
much is it compared to the where they work?

> And im pretty the
> Chinese emphasize *the look* and not the quality .

The chinese are providing what is required. We are a society of look
rather than quality. Which do you think would sell more in tescos, a
shit guitar that looked great or a great guitar that looked shit?

> And we have seen
> the results of this ethic in the recent Earthquake as many recently
> built structures have simply crumbled to earth . 

I think you will find that in a long duration 7.9 shallow earthquake,
that has a tendancy of happening. Especially in poor areas.

> A result of shoddy
> engineering and design in favor of economy and looks .

Looks are almost certainly not an option in that area.
This is the result of a massive earthquake hitting a heavily polulated
poor area. An earthquake of that magnitude hitting the center of london
or birmingham would be devastating. 


-- 
Woody

www.alienrat.com

On 16 May, 00:29, use...@alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote:
> nosferatu  wrote:
> > But i also believe the workers are paid a pittance .
>
> The workers are probably paid what we would consider a pittance, but how
> much is it compared to the where they work?
>
> > And im pretty the
> > Chinese emphasize *the look* and not the quality .
>
> The chinese are providing what is required. We are a society of look
> rather than quality. Which do you think would sell more in tescos, a
> shit guitar that looked great or a great guitar that looked shit?
>
> > And we have seen
> > the results of this ethic in the recent Earthquake as many recently
> > built structures have simply crumbled to earth .
>
> I think you will find that in a long duration 7.9 shallow earthquake,
> that has a tendancy of happening. Especially in poor areas.
>
> > A result of shoddy
> > engineering and design in favor of economy and looks .
>
> Looks are almost certainly not an option in that area.
> This is the result of a massive earthquake hitting a heavily polulated
> poor area. An earthquake of that magnitude hitting the center of london
> or birmingham would be devastating.
>
> --
> Woody
>
> www.alienrat.com


Well according to news reports monies allocated for the building of
schools and housing was skimmed off by local party officials and only
a trickle ended up going to pay for the buildings . Hence modern
building practices were compromised resulting in this tragedy
I'm not for one minute saying all the buildings would be still
standing after this tremor  . But if they had stopped this corruption
and looked over the water to Japan maybe this death toll would be a
lot less .

nosferatu  wrote:

> On 16 May, 00:29, use...@alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote:
> > nosferatu  wrote:
> > > But i also believe the workers are paid a pittance .
> >
> > The workers are probably paid what we would consider a pittance, but how
> > much is it compared to the where they work?
> >
> > > And im pretty the
> > > Chinese emphasize *the look* and not the quality .
> >
> > The chinese are providing what is required. We are a society of look
> > rather than quality. Which do you think would sell more in tescos, a
> > shit guitar that looked great or a great guitar that looked shit?
> >
> > > And we have seen
> > > the results of this ethic in the recent Earthquake as many recently
> > > built structures have simply crumbled to earth .
> >
> > I think you will find that in a long duration 7.9 shallow earthquake,
> > that has a tendancy of happening. Especially in poor areas.
> >
> > > A result of shoddy
> > > engineering and design in favor of economy and looks .
> >
> > Looks are almost certainly not an option in that area.
> > This is the result of a massive earthquake hitting a heavily polulated
> > poor area. An earthquake of that magnitude hitting the center of london
> > or birmingham would be devastating.
> 
> 
> Well according to news reports monies allocated for the building of
> schools and housing was skimmed off by local party officials and only
> a trickle ended up going to pay for the buildings . Hence modern
> building practices were compromised resulting in this tragedy

That certainly isn't going to help

> I'm not for one minute saying all the buildings would be still
> standing after this tremor  . But if they had stopped this corruption
> and looked over the water to Japan maybe this death toll would be a
> lot less .

Maybe it would. It is hard reducing corruption in large countries (not
great in small ones, but I don't think a large one can fail to have
corruption).

Looking over the water would be hard though. Japan has been an
industrialised nation for a long time, and has a large economy for its
size, the people are many times richer ($33k/head compared to $5k/head)



-- 
Woody

www.alienrat.com

Cliff wrote:
> On 14 May, 18:47, "Angof"  wrote:
>> I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other than
>> a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>
>> http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>
>> I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign else
>> at this price!!
>>
>> Angof
> 
> Even if the guitar body was made of cardboard that's still a really
> good price considering, you also get a book, strap and gig bag!
> 
> Probably the combination of CNC machines and under paid Chinese
> labours working in unsafe conditions. These imports are then allowed
> into our market to compete against, more expensive items made by much
> fairer employers who spend money on their staff and their staffs
> working conditions. Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot! The
> more cheap goods we buy the harder it is for our manufactures to
> compete so, the less they pay us therefore, we ending up having less
> to spend so buy more cheap goods!

Which is why Chinese parts are banned from my partscaster.

On Fri, 16 May 2008 03:03:24 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
 wrote:


>Well according to news reports monies allocated for the building of
>schools and housing was skimmed off by local party officials and only
>a trickle ended up going to pay for the buildings . 

That doesn't just happen in China - Italy is rather good at this sort
of thing too, I'm told.

God only knows what 'backhanders' occur - elsewhere and here in the UK
too.

China's just catching up.

Soon they'll be as bad as we are ;)

Steve.

On Thu, 15 May 2008 12:33:29 +0100, Mark
 wrote:

>On Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:39 +0100, "Angof"  wrote:
>
>>I know some people are snobby about buying guitars from anything other than 
>>a guitar shop but at this price, you cant really argue
>>
>>http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2283.aspx
>>
>>I know squier isnt a great brnad but I reckon its better than anythign else 
>>at this price!!
>
>Out of stock according to the web page!  I might be tempted - I could
>do with an acoustic for emergencies (i.e. power cuts) ;-)

Yup - you could burn it and read by it's glowing embers.

Steve.

On 16 May, 19:38, SteveShark <steveATguitarsDOTpowernetDOTcoDOTuk>
wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 03:03:24 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>
>  wrote:
> >Well according to news reports monies allocated for the building of
> >schools and housing was skimmed off by local party officials and only
> >a trickle ended up going to pay for the buildings .
>
> That doesn't just happen in China - Italy is rather good at this sort
> of thing too, I'm told.
>
> God only knows what 'backhanders' occur - elsewhere and here in the UK
> too.
>
> China's just catching up.
>
> Soon they'll be as bad as we are ;)
>
> Steve.

I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
ago  Its still completely sound .

nosferatu  wrote:

> On 16 May, 19:38, SteveShark <steveATguitarsDOTpowernetDOTcoDOTuk>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 May 2008 03:03:24 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
> >
> >  wrote:
> > >Well according to news reports monies allocated for the building of
> > >schools and housing was skimmed off by local party officials and only
> > >a trickle ended up going to pay for the buildings .
> >
> > That doesn't just happen in China - Italy is rather good at this sort
> > of thing too, I'm told.
> >
> > God only knows what 'backhanders' occur - elsewhere and here in the UK
> > too.
> >
> > China's just catching up.
> >
> > Soon they'll be as bad as we are ;)
> >
> > Steve.
> 
> I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
> ago  Its still completely sound .

I suspect there haven't been many earthquakes in your garden!

-- 
Woody

www.alienrat.com

nosferatu wrote:
> On 16 May, 19:38, SteveShark <steveATguitarsDOTpowernetDOTcoDOTuk>
> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 03:03:24 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>>
>>  wrote:
>>> Well according to news reports monies allocated for the building of
>>> schools and housing was skimmed off by local party officials and only
>>> a trickle ended up going to pay for the buildings .
>> That doesn't just happen in China - Italy is rather good at this sort
>> of thing too, I'm told.
>>
>> God only knows what 'backhanders' occur - elsewhere and here in the UK
>> too.
>>
>> China's just catching up.
>>
>> Soon they'll be as bad as we are ;)
>>
>> Steve.
> 
> I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
> ago  Its still completely sound .

You were conned.

Dickens' chalet is still intact in Rochester.

On 16 May, 21:24, use...@alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote:
> nosferatu  wrote:
> > On 16 May, 19:38, SteveShark <steveATguitarsDOTpowernetDOTcoDOTuk>
> > wrote:
> > > On Fri, 16 May 2008 03:03:24 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>
> > >  wrote:
> > > >Well according to news reports monies allocated for the building of
> > > >schools and housing was skimmed off by local party officials and only
> > > >a trickle ended up going to pay for the buildings .
>
> > > That doesn't just happen in China - Italy is rather good at this sort
> > > of thing too, I'm told.
>
> > > God only knows what 'backhanders' occur - elsewhere and here in the UK
> > > too.
>
> > > China's just catching up.
>
> > > Soon they'll be as bad as we are ;)
>
> > > Steve.
>
> > I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
> > ago  Its still completely sound .
>
> I suspect there haven't been many earthquakes in your garden!
>
> --
> Woody
>
> www.alienrat.com

Everything but . 4 year ago there abouts we had a mega storm which
lifted my Greenhouse and threw it like Dorothy's shack  into next
doors garden .

On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:16:25 +0100, "Mason" <no@email> wrote:

>There was also an article in one of the guitar mags some years ago that 
>mentioned the factory where Squier, and other brands, are made. I seem to 
>remember they commented on the excellent quality and quality control.
>


I remembar that - it was Guitar magazine, and the factory was in the
same province where all the Chinese breweries were - the Germans had
taught them how to make beer.
-- 
http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals      http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/  
http://www.stevedix.de/blog           http://www.snorty.net/

On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
 wrote:


>
>I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
>ago  Its still completely sound .


He made sheds in-between writing all those novels?!

-- 
http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals      http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/  
http://www.stevedix.de/blog           http://www.snorty.net/

On Thu, 15 May 2008 14:38:12 +0100, "William Black"
 wrote:

>
>Try Amazon then.
>
>They've got a Yamaha F310 with all the bits (strap,  tuner,  spare strings, 
>gig bag and etc) for £74.
>
>Which means you're paying about £50 for the guitar.
>
>There is absolutely no shortage of guitars of perfectly  reasonable quality 
>on sale on the net in the UK for next to nothing.


If it's anything like my Yamaha acoustic, go for it.  Solid top,
nicely set up.  I was playing it last night.  I'd forgotten how nice
it sounded and how good it felt to play.
-- 
http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals      http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/  
http://www.stevedix.de/blog           http://www.snorty.net/

On 17 May, 10:15, Steve Dix  wrote:
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>
>  wrote:
>
> >I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
> >ago  Its still completely sound .
>
> He made sheds in-between writing all those novels?!
>
> --http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals     http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/ http://www.stevedix.de/blog         http://www.snorty.net/
> 

Yes , it was a neat little sideline . His books , not selling to good
and he needed quick cash . In a flash he decided to create a range of
Garden sheds . It came to a point were upon he had to choose between
sheds or books .
The rest is history .

"nosferatu"  wrote in message 
news:4e30fd37-e450-4c7c-851d-c5d5b64af7c3@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 17 May, 10:15, Steve Dix  wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
>> >ago  Its still completely sound .
>>
>> He made sheds in-between writing all those novels?!
>>
>> --http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals     http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/ 
>> http://www.stevedix.de/blog         http://www.snorty.net/
>> 
>
> Yes , it was a neat little sideline . His books , not selling to good
> and he needed quick cash . In a flash he decided to create a range of
> Garden sheds . It came to a point were upon he had to choose between
> sheds or books .
> The rest is history .

Reminds me of back in the old hippy days when people had sit-ins, love-ins 
etc.
Two book-lovers were having a conversation then and one asked the other, "Do 
you like Dickens?"
 - "Dunno - never been to one".
Boom-boom!
I'll get me kaftan....

George

George Weston wrote:
> "nosferatu"  wrote in message 
> news:4e30fd37-e450-4c7c-851d-c5d5b64af7c3@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> On 17 May, 10:15, Steve Dix  wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
>>>> ago  Its still completely sound .
>>> He made sheds in-between writing all those novels?!
>>>
>>> --http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals     http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/ 
>>> http://www.stevedix.de/blog         http://www.snorty.net/
>>> 
>> Yes , it was a neat little sideline . His books , not selling to good
>> and he needed quick cash . In a flash he decided to create a range of
>> Garden sheds . It came to a point were upon he had to choose between
>> sheds or books .
>> The rest is history .
> 
> Reminds me of back in the old hippy days when people had sit-ins, love-ins 
> etc.
> Two book-lovers were having a conversation then and one asked the other, "Do 
> you like Dickens?"
>  - "Dunno - never been to one".
> Boom-boom!
> I'll get me kaftan....
> 
> George 

Sure you don't mean one of those long sheep-skin coats, George?

Or is it better not to mention sheep to Welsh-based posters? :-)

On 17/5/08 19:12, JNugent wrote:
> George Weston wrote:
>> "nosferatu"  wrote in message 
>> news:4e30fd37-e450-4c7c-851d-c5d5b64af7c3@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 17 May, 10:15, Steve Dix  wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
>>>>> ago  Its still completely sound .
>>>> He made sheds in-between writing all those novels?!
>>>>
>>>> --http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals     
>>>> http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/ http://www.stevedix.de/blog         
>>>> http://www.snorty.net/
>>>> 
>>> Yes , it was a neat little sideline . His books , not selling to good
>>> and he needed quick cash . In a flash he decided to create a range of
>>> Garden sheds . It came to a point were upon he had to choose between
>>> sheds or books .
>>> The rest is history .
>>
>> Reminds me of back in the old hippy days when people had sit-ins, 
>> love-ins etc.
>> Two book-lovers were having a conversation then and one asked the 
>> other, "Do you like Dickens?"
>>  - "Dunno - never been to one".
>> Boom-boom!
>> I'll get me kaftan....
>>
>> George 
> 
> Sure you don't mean one of those long sheep-skin coats, George?
> 
> Or is it better not to mention sheep to Welsh-based posters? :-)

That's OK, we'll keep the sheep if you promise to keep Gordon Brown.

"JNugent"  wrote in message 
news:ItWdnYmTWeuUvbLVnZ2dnUVZ8v3inZ2d@pipex.net...
> George Weston wrote:
>> "nosferatu"  wrote in message 
>> news:4e30fd37-e450-4c7c-851d-c5d5b64af7c3@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 17 May, 10:15, Steve Dix  wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>>>>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
>>>>> ago  Its still completely sound .
>>>> He made sheds in-between writing all those novels?!
>>>>
>>>> --http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals     http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/ 
>>>> http://www.stevedix.de/blog         http://www.snorty.net/
>>>> 
>>> Yes , it was a neat little sideline . His books , not selling to good
>>> and he needed quick cash . In a flash he decided to create a range of
>>> Garden sheds . It came to a point were upon he had to choose between
>>> sheds or books .
>>> The rest is history .
>>
>> Reminds me of back in the old hippy days when people had sit-ins, 
>> love-ins etc.
>> Two book-lovers were having a conversation then and one asked the other, 
>> "Do you like Dickens?"
>>  - "Dunno - never been to one".
>> Boom-boom!
>> I'll get me kaftan....
>>
>> George
>
> Sure you don't mean one of those long sheep-skin coats, George?
>
> Or is it better not to mention sheep to Welsh-based posters? :-)

I hear that these are selling well locally, Jim!
http://www.boystoys.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=231
;-)

George

On 18 May, 11:05, "George Weston" 
wrote:
> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>
> news:ItWdnYmTWeuUvbLVnZ2dnUVZ8v3inZ2d@pipex.net...
>
>
>
> > George Weston wrote:
> >> "nosferatu"  wrote in message
> >>news:4e30fd37-e450-4c7c-851d-c5d5b64af7c3@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On 17 May, 10:15, Steve Dix  wrote:
> >>>> On Fri, 16 May 2008 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT), nosferatu
>
> >>>>  wrote:
>
> >>>>> I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
> >>>>> ago  Its still completely sound .
> >>>> He made sheds in-between writing all those novels?!
>
> >>>> --http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals   http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/
> >>>>http://www.stevedix.de/blog       http://www.snorty.net/
> >>>> 
> >>> Yes , it was a neat little sideline . His books , not selling to good
> >>> and he needed quick cash . In a flash he decided to create a range of
> >>> Garden sheds . It came to a point were upon he had to choose between
> >>> sheds or books .
> >>> The rest is history .
>
> >> Reminds me of back in the old hippy days when people had sit-ins,
> >> love-ins etc.
> >> Two book-lovers were having a conversation then and one asked the other,
> >> "Do you like Dickens?"
> >>  - "Dunno - never been to one".
> >> Boom-boom!
> >> I'll get me kaftan....
>
> >> George
>
> > Sure you don't mean one of those long sheep-skin coats, George?
>
> > Or is it better not to mention sheep to Welsh-based posters? :-)
>
> I hear that these are selling well locally, Jim!http://www.boystoys.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=231
> ;-)
>
> George

Baaaaa rgain

nosferatu wrote:

> "George Weston"  wrote:
>> "JNugent"  wrote in message
>>> George Weston wrote:
>>>> "nosferatu"  wrote:
>>>>> On 17 May, 10:15, Steve Dix  wrote:
>>>>>> nosferatu  wrote:

>>>>>>> I have a 6x4 Garden Shed that was bought from Dickens 30 odd years
>>>>>>> ago  Its still completely sound .

>>>>>> He made sheds in-between writing all those novels?!
>>>>>> --http://www.cdbaby.com/sinistrals   http://sinistrals.stevedix.de/
>>>>>> http://www.stevedix.de/blog       http://www.snorty.net/
>>>>>> 

>>>>> Yes , it was a neat little sideline . His books , not selling to good
>>>>> and he needed quick cash . In a flash he decided to create a range of
>>>>> Garden sheds . It came to a point were upon he had to choose between
>>>>> sheds or books .
>>>>> The rest is history .

>>>> Reminds me of back in the old hippy days when people had sit-ins,
>>>> love-ins etc.
>>>> Two book-lovers were having a conversation then and one asked the other,
>>>> "Do you like Dickens?"
>>>>  - "Dunno - never been to one".
>>>> Boom-boom!
>>>> I'll get me kaftan....
>>>> George

>>> Sure you don't mean one of those long sheep-skin coats, George?
>>> Or is it better not to mention sheep to Welsh-based posters? :-)

>> I hear that these are selling well locally, Jim!http://www.boystoys.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=231
>> ;-)

> Baaaaa rgain

:-)

On 15 May, 22:16, "Mason" <no@email> wrote:

>
> There was also an article in one of the guitar mags some years ago that
> mentioned the factory where Squier, and other brands, are made. I seem to
> remember they commented on the excellent quality and quality control.
>
> I'm sure there are still plenty of really poor factories out there but the
> fact that most of the stuff we buy these days is made in China is no
> accident.
>
> --
> Regards
> Nick- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The manufacturing company I work for has a few large customers who
also buy from China. Their guy visit the Chinise factorys and see
workers without safety kit e.g. masks to filter the fumes from hot
acid baths. They point out what the worker should be using. The
chinese factory buys the gear then, our customer goes back a month
later and the worker is still breathing in the acid fumes and the new
safety gear is locked in a cupboard. Yes conditions and pay have
improved in Chinese factories but they are nowhere near the safety
levels we in the UK have to meet.

Peolpe will always buy products that as great value for money and
Chinese imports are just that. The only way to make them change is to
slap import duties on goods from countries that, do not apply safe
working practices and fair pay deals. This would give more of a level
playing field for the western manufactures who are force to pay for
their staffs safety and well being.

Cliff

On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:06:55 -0700 (PDT), Cliff
 wrote:

>On 15 May, 22:16, "Mason" <no@email> wrote:
>
>>
>> There was also an article in one of the guitar mags some years ago that
>> mentioned the factory where Squier, and other brands, are made. I seem to
>> remember they commented on the excellent quality and quality control.
>>
>> I'm sure there are still plenty of really poor factories out there but the
>> fact that most of the stuff we buy these days is made in China is no
>> accident.
>>
>> --
>> Regards
>> Nick- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The manufacturing company I work for has a few large customers who
>also buy from China. Their guy visit the Chinise factorys and see
>workers without safety kit e.g. masks to filter the fumes from hot
>acid baths. They point out what the worker should be using. The
>chinese factory buys the gear then, our customer goes back a month
>later and the worker is still breathing in the acid fumes and the new
>safety gear is locked in a cupboard. Yes conditions and pay have
>improved in Chinese factories but they are nowhere near the safety
>levels we in the UK have to meet.
>
>Peolpe will always buy products that as great value for money and
>Chinese imports are just that. The only way to make them change is to
>slap import duties on goods from countries that, do not apply safe
>working practices and fair pay deals. This would give more of a level
>playing field for the western manufactures who are force to pay for
>their staffs safety and well being.
>
>Cliff

...hangon, these working conditions sound much like where I started my
career in the late 70's - hasn't done me any harm althoughthe company
has long gone... H&S is just another indirect tax...
MG

On Sat, 24 May 2008 18:44:25 GMT, 100550.3170@compuserve.com (MG)
wrote:
>...hangon, these working conditions sound much like where I started my
>career in the late 70's - hasn't done me any harm althoughthe company
>has long gone... H&S is just another indirect tax...

So you're alright Jack?
SteveW