Hello all

Posted the last 164 midi-backup tunes in my O'Neill's book.

-- 
CPM  O=='=::
Happy Pickin' on www.bluegrassmidisound.eu

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:31:22 +0200, TetTereTeT wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> Posted the last 164 midi-backup tunes in my O'Neill's book.

Wouldn't it be more efficient to back up your hard drive without using 
MIDI encoding? 

What would happen if you tried to restore your backups onto a machine 
with a non-compatible sound card?

Op Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:03:23 GMT schreef .:

> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:31:22 +0200, TetTereTeT wrote:
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Posted the last 164 midi-backup tunes in my O'Neill's book.
> 
> Wouldn't it be more efficient to back up your hard drive without using 
> MIDI encoding? 
> 
> What would happen if you tried to restore your backups onto a machine 
> with a non-compatible sound card?

I don't think you understand what TetTereTet means by 'backup'. It's not a 
backup of files - it's an accompaniment for a song. Not a backup drive, but 
a backup band.
-- 
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on xs4all point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)

And then there's this:
Complete sentences.

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:40:10 +0200, Afoklala wrote:

> Op Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:03:23 GMT schreef .:
> 
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:31:22 +0200, TetTereTeT wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all
>>> 
>>> Posted the last 164 midi-backup tunes in my O'Neill's book.
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be more efficient to back up your hard drive without using
>> MIDI encoding?
>> 
>> What would happen if you tried to restore your backups onto a machine
>> with a non-compatible sound card?
> 
> I don't think you understand what TetTereTet means by 'backup'. It's not
> a backup of files - it's an accompaniment for a song. Not a backup
> drive, but a backup band.

Even if it is as you say, to backup an entire band with MIDI, it is a 
silly idea. It would be better just to record to audio tape or .wav file.

In message , Afoklala 
<afoklala@afoklala.invalid> writes
>Op Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:03:23 GMT schreef .:
>
>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:31:22 +0200, TetTereTeT wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all
>>>
>>> Posted the last 164 midi-backup tunes in my O'Neill's book.
>>
>> Wouldn't it be more efficient to back up your hard drive without using
>> MIDI encoding?
>>
>> What would happen if you tried to restore your backups onto a machine
>> with a non-compatible sound card?
>
>I don't think you understand what TetTereTet means by 'backup'. It's not a
>backup of files - it's an accompaniment for a song. Not a backup drive, but
>a backup band.


Just wondering to what extent  electronically created music might come 
within the remit of uk.music.folk.

Then, again. I did very much enjoy one of the Fraser Sisters - I think 
it was Jo Freya - playing as she layered loops on the e-piano thingy 
before soloing over it with the woodwind. Was it a low whistle?


-- 
Peter Thomas

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:27:15 +0100, Peter Thomas
<peterdoubled@doubledemon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:

>>I don't think you understand what TetTereTet means by 'backup'. It's not a
>>backup of files - it's an accompaniment for a song. Not a backup drive, but
>>a backup band.
>
>
>Just wondering to what extent  electronically created music might come 
>within the remit of uk.music.folk.
>
>Then, again. I did very much enjoy one of the Fraser Sisters - I think 
>it was Jo Freya - playing as she layered loops on the e-piano thingy 
>before soloing over it with the woodwind. Was it a low whistle?

I don't think I can help much with this one, except to offer some
observations which perhaps fall into the realm of the obvious:

Folk music is more likely to be played on steel drums than on the
French horn. 
An electric bass guitar turns it into folk rock, which of course,
isn't. 
Folkiness of concertinas is as follows: English, Anglo, Duet, unless
you wear Arran, in which case special rules apply. When using layered
loops, the order is reversed. 
Real folk music can't take place until you have at least three
acoustic guitars present. 
Folk piano is at its best providing oompah backings, should they be
appropriate.
The theramin is only suitable for classical music. 
No synthesisers. 
Penny whistles are a folk instrument, but you mustn't use your tongue,
even if you're English (especially then?)
Bagpipes can not be used for anything but folk music. A corollary is
that folk music is by definition a weapon of war.
The bodhran could be used to produce non-folk music, assuming you
could persuade anyone that this was a good idea. 
An ocarina could in theory be used to produce folk music.
Whatever the instrument, it is not folk music unless approached via
the Hammersmith jink during the first two rounds or as otherwise
provided for by invoking a Dick Turpin under the chancellor's
exception. This may not occur while travelling via Holborn.  

=> /dev/null/horse


-- 

Dominic Cronin
Amsterdam

Op Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:11:52 GMT schreef .:

> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:40:10 +0200, Afoklala wrote:
> 
>> Op Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:03:23 GMT schreef .:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:31:22 +0200, TetTereTeT wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello all
>>>> 
>>>> Posted the last 164 midi-backup tunes in my O'Neill's book.
>>> 
>>> Wouldn't it be more efficient to back up your hard drive without using
>>> MIDI encoding?
>>> 
>>> What would happen if you tried to restore your backups onto a machine
>>> with a non-compatible sound card?
>> 
>> I don't think you understand what TetTereTet means by 'backup'. It's not
>> a backup of files - it's an accompaniment for a song. Not a backup
>> drive, but a backup band.
> 
> Even if it is as you say, to backup an entire band with MIDI, it is a 
> silly idea. It would be better just to record to audio tape or .wav file.

What's the difference? If you create a .wav file, it's got the very same
sounds from your soundcard or module that midi produces. Plus, you can't
(easily) change the tempo or key of a .wav file, which you can with midi.
Anyway, nobody says you have to _perform_ with these backup files. However,
they can be very useful and fun to _practice_ with.
Ever heard of Band-in-a-Box? (see www.pgmusic.com if you didn't) It
wouldn't sell if it was such a silly idea. (and yes, there are people who
perform with BiaB)
-- 
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on xs4all point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)

And then there's this:
In the troubled times, will people still sing? Yes! People will sing of the
troubled times. (Brecht)

On Thu, 01 May 2008 09:06:19 +0200, Afoklala wrote:

> 
> What's the difference? If you create a .wav file, it's got the very same
> sounds from your soundcard or module that midi produces. Plus, you can't
> (easily) change the tempo or key of a .wav file, which you can with
> midi. 

The .wav file will record the actual performance of the band. The MIDI is 
only a mechanical approximation of it.

What is the point of backing up a band into MIDI? Conversion from audio 
to MIDI is not accurate and will be subject to many errors. You might be 
able to change the tempo but it will be full of mistakes.

Op Thu, 01 May 2008 07:38:15 GMT schreef .:

> On Thu, 01 May 2008 09:06:19 +0200, Afoklala wrote:
> 
>> 
>> What's the difference? If you create a .wav file, it's got the very same
>> sounds from your soundcard or module that midi produces. Plus, you can't
>> (easily) change the tempo or key of a .wav file, which you can with
>> midi. 
> 
> The .wav file will record the actual performance of the band. The MIDI is 
> only a mechanical approximation of it.
> 
> What is the point of backing up a band into MIDI? Conversion from audio 
> to MIDI is not accurate and will be subject to many errors. You might be 
> able to change the tempo but it will be full of mistakes.

You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
haven't.
There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There is
only midi.
-- 
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on xs4all point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)

And then there's this:
All generalizations are bad.

In message , Afoklala 
<afoklala@afoklala.invalid> writes
....


>You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
>have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
>haven't.


>There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There is
>only midi.


Sort of zen approach to music?
-- 
Peter Thomas

Peter Thomas <peterdoubled@doubledemon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> In message , Afoklala 
> <afoklala@afoklala.invalid> writes
> ....
>
>
>> You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
>> have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
>> haven't.
>
>
>> There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There is
>> only midi.
>
>
> Sort of zen approach to music?

Sounds interesting enough...

-- 
Mats Peterson
http://www.geocities.com/matsp888/

On Thu, 01 May 2008 10:02:02 +0200, Afoklala wrote:

> You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
> have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
> haven't.
> There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There
> is only midi.

If there is no recording then how can there be a backup, midi or .wav or 
otherwise? Why would you want a read only backup?

The message <sDhSj.6787$R_4.5427@newsb.telia.net>
from Mats Peterson  contains these words:

> Peter Thomas <peterdoubled@doubledemon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> > In message , Afoklala 
> > <afoklala@afoklala.invalid> writes
> > ....
> >
> >
> >> You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
> >> have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
> >> haven't.
> >
> >
> >> There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There is
> >> only midi.
> >
> >
> > Sort of zen approach to music?

> Sounds interesting enough...

I have been in folk clubs.  I have heard the sound of one hand clapping.

-- 

                    Arthur Marshall
           Caller for Traditional Dances
              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
     www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barndancer
       www.myspace.com/athurhimself

The message <WSkSj.6735$ko5.2800@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
from "."  contains these words:

> On Thu, 01 May 2008 10:02:02 +0200, Afoklala wrote:

> > You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
> > have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
> > haven't.
> > There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There
> > is only midi.

> If there is no recording then how can there be a backup, midi or .wav or 
> otherwise? Why would you want a read only backup?

I think we can now safely assume that this person is either an idiot or
has been dead for the past forty years.  

The only other possibility is that they haven't got a computer.

In which case they aren't here and can be safely ignored. 

-- 

                    Arthur Marshall
           Caller for Traditional Dances
              nb Lord Byron's Maggot
     www.users.zetnet.co.uk/barndancer
       www.myspace.com/athurhimself

Arthur Marshall said:
> from "."  contains these words:
>> On Thu, 01 May 2008 10:02:02 +0200, Afoklala wrote:
>
>> > You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
>> > have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
>> > haven't.
>> > There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There
>> > is only midi.
>
>> If there is no recording then how can there be a backup, midi or .wav or 
>> otherwise? Why would you want a read only backup?
>
> I think we can now safely assume that this person is either an idiot or
> has been dead for the past forty years.  
>
> The only other possibility is that they haven't got a computer.
>
> In which case they aren't here and can be safely ignored. 

Nah, they might just be dotty.


-- 
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://www.qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

> Just wondering to what extent  electronically created music might come 
> within the remit of uk.music.folk.
> 
> Then, again. I did very much enjoy one of the Fraser Sisters - I think 
> it was Jo Freya - playing as she layered loops on the e-piano thingy 
> before soloing over it with the woodwind. Was it a low whistle?

"O waly, waly up the bank..." has got to be a cue for a theremin.

I still regret not buying a very early Moog when I saw one in the
Barras in Glasgow.  About the size and weight of an accordion, with
lots of real knobs and the design style of a starship console out
of Astounding Science Fiction Magazine.  But I'd have had to factor
in the cost of a hideous plastic wig to wear when playing it.

==== j a c k  at  c a m p i n . m e . u k  ===  <http://www.campin.me.uk> ====
Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557
CD-ROMs and free stuff:  Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts

On 2008-05-01, Peter Thomas <peterdoubled@doubledemon.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> In message , Afoklala 
><afoklala@afoklala.invalid> writes
> ....
>>You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
>>have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
>>haven't.
>
>>There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There is
>>only midi.
>
> Sort of zen approach to music?

No - zen would be:

There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There is
no midi.

:-)

--

Op Thu, 1 May 2008 12:00:04 +0100 schreef Peter Thomas:

> In message , Afoklala 
> <afoklala@afoklala.invalid> writes
> ....
> 
>>You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
>>have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
>>haven't.
> 
>>There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There is
>>only midi.
> 
> Sort of zen approach to music?

:-)))
-- 
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on xs4all point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)

And then there's this:
Unless you're a righteous expert, don't try to be too cool with slang to
which you're not hip.

Op Thu, 01 May 2008 14:56:54 GMT schreef .:

> On Thu, 01 May 2008 10:02:02 +0200, Afoklala wrote:
> 
>> You still don't understand. In order to have a recording of a band, you
>> have to have a band first. These backup files are for those of us who
>> haven't.
>> There is no band. There is no recording. There is no conversion. There
>> is only midi.
> 
> If there is no recording then how can there be a backup, midi or .wav or 
> otherwise? Why would you want a read only backup?

I give up. You just don't understand.
-- 
Jan Willem from Odijk, Netherlands
e-mail in From-field is wrong, real e-mail is:
jw point van point dormolen on xs4all point nl
(change point into dot, on into at)

And then there's this:
All extremists should be taken out and shot.

On Fri, 02 May 2008 09:57:14 +0200, Afoklala wrote:

> 
> I give up. You just don't understand.

Thanks for playing :)

The great thing about midi files is that you can slow them down/ change key 
etc which is a fantastic help if you cant read music like me. Good for 
playing along with to practice too..
Great site well done my friend

Alan

> The great thing about midi files is that you can slow them down/

> change key

> etc which is a fantastic help if you cant read music like me. Good for

> playing along with to practice too..

> Great site well done my friend

Thanks, Alan..

Peet

> The great thing about midi files is that you can slow them down/ change
> key etc which is a fantastic help if you cant read music like me.

You can do the same with ABC - change the tempo with a text editor,
transpose and play using the converter at folkinfo.  No need for
anything as elaborate as a MIDI editor.

==== j a c k  at  c a m p i n . m e . u k  ===  <http://www.campin.me.uk> ====
Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557
CD-ROMs and free stuff:  Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts

Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>> The great thing about midi files is that you can slow them down/ change
>> key etc which is a fantastic help if you cant read music like me.
> 
> You can do the same with ABC - change the tempo with a text editor,
> transpose and play using the converter at folkinfo.  No need for
> anything as elaborate as a MIDI editor.

Some MIDI players will do that too. I (on Linux) use KMid and that will 
at least do the tempo, plus there is not need to keep editing an abc 
(and if using the converter producing a midi) as you might for example 
want to speed up.

Personally, I would favour midi for playback including these backup tracks.

---
btw, this thread has reminded me I've still a fix to do with the abc 
converter and  some key sigs for the midi program it uses... I'll aim to 
do it Tue/Wed next week (Cromer FOTP from Fri).