Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
and simply switch it for my current Sky box?

Cheers
Ed

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:18:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
wrote:

>
>Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
>realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
>and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
>
>Cheers
>Ed

http://www.uksatellitehelp.co.uk/2008/05/07/freesat-on-sky-dish/

" If you have already a Sky mini-dish attached to your house and
pointed at the Sky satellite, you can use the same dish for receiving
Freesat.

Just plug the cable coming from the dish to back of your new receiver.
That’s it. No need to get a new dish or upgrade anything.

Freesat and Sky are broadcast from the same satellite. So the same
dish size and dish direction can be used. "

On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:18:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
> >realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
> >and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
>
> >Cheers
> >Ed
>
> http://www.uksatellitehelp.co.uk/2008/05/07/freesat-on-sky-dish/
>
> " If you have already a Sky mini-dish attached to your house and
> pointed at the Sky satellite, you can use the same dish for receiving
> Freesat.
>
> Just plug the cable coming from the dish to back of your new receiver.
> That’s it. No need to get a new dish or upgrade anything.
>
> Freesat and Sky are broadcast from the same satellite. So the same
> dish size and dish direction can be used. "

Many thanks. That's what I thought, but some bloke down the pub was
telling anyone that would listen that I was talking out of my arse and
that he could come and realign their dishes for them if people wanted
freesat.

On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:18:20 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
> > wrote:
>
> > >Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
> > >realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
> > >and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
>
> > >Cheers
> > >Ed
>
> >http://www.uksatellitehelp.co.uk/2008/05/07/freesat-on-sky-dish/
>
> > " If you have already a Sky mini-dish attached to your house and
> > pointed at the Sky satellite, you can use the same dish for receiving
> > Freesat.
>
> > Just plug the cable coming from the dish to back of your new receiver.
> > That’s it. No need to get a new dish or upgrade anything.
>
> > Freesat and Sky are broadcast from the same satellite. So the same
> > dish size and dish direction can be used. "
>
> Many thanks. That's what I thought, but some bloke down the pub was
> telling anyone that would listen that I was talking out of my arse and
> that he could come and realign their dishes for them if people wanted
> freesat.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
whilst also running the Sky box?

<uk.media.tv.misc>
<Ed>
<Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:18:20 -0700 (PDT)>


> Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
> realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
> and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
> 

TMK its the same bunch of satellites that are used .

Apparently there was a hack for one of the freesat boxes that allowed 
you to add more FTA channels to it - or summit .


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
wrote:

>On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
>> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:

>
>And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
>of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
>whilst also running the Sky box?

It would be, as they say, a piece of piss. If you can climb a ladder,
the job's a good 'un.

On Jun 30, 9:39 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
> >> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>
> >And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
> >of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
> >whilst also running the Sky box?
>
> It would be, as they say, a piece of piss. If you can climb a ladder,
> the job's a good 'un.

Cheers Mike.
Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
wrote:

>On Jun 30, 9:39 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
>> >> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>>
>> >And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
>> >of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
>> >whilst also running the Sky box?
>>
>> It would be, as they say, a piece of piss. If you can climb a ladder,
>> the job's a good 'un.
>
>Cheers Mike.
>Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?

I have no idea. Seems bloody stupid planning. Humax are supposed ot be
launching one but when is anybody's guess.

In uk.media.tv.sky Ed  wrote:
: Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?

I can also help answer that! Only a very few manufacturers were willing
to sign up for Freesat for launch (4, but 1 pulled out!) and, of these,
only Humax are making a PVR - it *WAS* going to be out about now but has
slipped to nearer the end of 2008.

"Ed"  wrote in message 
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On Jun 30, 9:39 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
> wrote:
>
> >On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
> >> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>
> >And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
> >of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
> >whilst also running the Sky box?
>
> It would be, as they say, a piece of piss. If you can climb a ladder,
> the job's a good 'un.

>Cheers Mike.
>Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?

How successful are Freeview PVR's? I'm sure there are sky haters wanting a 
Freesat SKY+ but is that the bulk of the target market?

On Jun 30, 11:21 am, "John Russell" 
wrote:
> "Ed"  wrote in message
>
> news:38978b63-688f-4d79-bb81-0dc3007775d0@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 30, 9:39 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
> > >> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>
> > >And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
> > >of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
> > >whilst also running the Sky box?
>
> > It would be, as they say, a piece of piss. If you can climb a ladder,
> > the job's a good 'un.
> >Cheers Mike.
> >Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?
>
> How successful are Freeview PVR's? I'm sure there are sky haters wanting a
> Freesat SKY but is that the bulk of the target market?

I have Sky and am hoping that the second the Freesat PVRs go on sale
sky will drop the £10 a month charge to stop people leaving

<uk.media.tv.misc>
<John Russell>
<Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:21:24 +0100>
<4868b3a8$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>

> How successful are Freeview PVR's?
> 

The biggest gripe seems to be that most freeview pvrs dont have a series 
link - and the epg on freeview boxes is nowhere near as good as skys .


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

<uk.media.tv.misc>
<Ed>
<Mon, 30 Jun 2008 03:43:56 -0700 (PDT)>


> I have Sky and am hoping that the second the Freesat PVRs go on sale
> sky will drop the £10 a month charge to stop people leaving
> 

But most people wont leave sky when the freesat pvrs come out because 
the chances are they will be half way through a series on sky one or the 
scifi channel etc .

And even if somebody does intend to leave after a certain series is 
finished - then the chances are they will have started to watch a new 
series by then - and its a never ending loop .


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

"Ed"  wrote in message 
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On Jun 30, 11:21 am, "John Russell" 
wrote:
> "Ed"  wrote in message
>
> news:38978b63-688f-4d79-bb81-0dc3007775d0@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 30, 9:39 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
> > >> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>
> > >And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
> > >of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
> > >whilst also running the Sky box?
>
> > It would be, as they say, a piece of piss. If you can climb a ladder,
> > the job's a good 'un.
> >Cheers Mike.
> >Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?
>
> How successful are Freeview PVR's? I'm sure there are sky haters wanting a
> Freesat SKY+ but is that the bulk of the target market?

>I have Sky+ and am hoping that the second the Freesat PVRs go >on sale
>sky will drop the £10 a month charge to stop people leaving.

I do find it strange that people think SKY customers want "sat" TV for it's 
own sake, and will move to Freesat to get their "fix" for nothing. SKY 
customers want the channels they can only get from SKY. I can't see the 
point of paying for TV you don't want, how ever it's delivered.

<uk.media.tv.misc>
<John Russell>
<Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:32:00 퍝>
<4868c434$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>

> >I have Sky and am hoping that the second the Freesat PVRs go >on sale
> >sky will drop the £10 a month charge to stop people leaving.
> 
> I do find it strange that people think SKY customers want "sat" TV for it's 
> own sake, and will move to Freesat to get their "fix" for nothing. SKY 
> customers want the channels they can only get from SKY.
> 

I've arranged to have 'freesat by sky' fitted (£150) but unless they 
make me a offer i cant refuse then i'm unlikely to subscribe to any pay 
tv packages they offer .

(not even sure i would be interested in a half price deal for six months 
and it would need to be a year at half price to interest me)

While sky know their customers well - its possible they might have 
missed out on this one as its kinda hard to miss what you dont have .

Perhaps thats why sky is so keen to push the £75 option when you phone 
them - because the hook to get you subscribed will eventually make them 
lots more money .


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:09:45 +0100, Krustov  wrote:

><uk.media.tv.misc>
><John Russell>
><Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:21:24 +0100>
><4868b3a8$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>
>
>> How successful are Freeview PVR's?
>> 
>
>The biggest gripe seems to be that most freeview pvrs dont have a series 
>link - and the epg on freeview boxes is nowhere near as good as skys .

The Sky EPG is poor. It is 10 years old & has never been updated. Slow, clunky
& ugly. A decent computer based PVR has a far better EPG.
--

Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

"Nigel Barker"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:09:45 +0100, Krustov  wrote:
>
>><uk.media.tv.misc>
>><John Russell>
>><Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:21:24 +0100>
>><4868b3a8$1_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>
>>
>>> How successful are Freeview PVR's?
>>>
>>
>>The biggest gripe seems to be that most freeview pvrs dont have a series
>>link - and the epg on freeview boxes is nowhere near as good as skys .
>
> The Sky EPG is poor. It is 10 years old & has never been updated. Slow, 
> clunky
> & ugly. A decent computer based PVR has a far better EPG.

The SKY HD EPG is to be updated in the Autumn. The aim is to go towards a 
program oriented system, rather than channel based. That alloys VOD to be 
integrated as VOD dosn't have a channel.

"Ed"  wrote in message 
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> Freesat and Sky are broadcast from the same satellite. So the same
> dish size and dish direction can be used. "

Many thanks. That's what I thought, but some bloke down the pub was
telling anyone that would listen that I was talking out of my arse and
that he could come and realign their dishes for them if people wanted
freesat.




maybe he had been drinking alcohol.



-- 
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

"Ed"  wrote in message 
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> How successful are Freeview PVR's? I'm sure there are sky haters wanting a
> Freesat SKY+ but is that the bulk of the target market?

I have Sky+ and am hoping that the second the Freesat PVRs go on sale
sky will drop the £10 a month charge to stop people leaving



they did - months ago.
unless you mean using it for free without a subscription - if you want to do 
that, you're not actually with them - to leave.



-- 
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

"Ed"  wrote in message 
news:b25c8844-4e5f-4fa7-8c81-88de0b03139f@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
> realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
> and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
>
> Cheers
> Ed


Hi,


Just a quick thought possibly worth mentioning...

... you / it is generally realised I hope that ...

... FreeSat (SD rather than HD) is essentially identical to a Sky box 
without a subscription except you get about 800 less channels...?

I.e. switching from Sky to FreeSat will just get you less channels. If you 
just cancelled your Sky subscription you could continue using the Sky box 
for all the free channels - which is substantially more than are available 
using FreeSat.

I.e. everything on FreeSat is available on an unsubscribed Sky box + their 
is even more (and a lot more - including interactive services as well as 
hundreds of channels) available on the Sky box (with or without an expired 
viewing card - and NO subscription - NOTHING to do with Sky... you don't 
talk to them or anything... just plug it in [or if you chose to become an 
ex-customer.... just leave it plugged in and cancel the service with them 
and the rest of it with all the free channels [all those on Freesat + loads 
more] continue - just without the paying Sky anything bit).

Hope that makes some sense and might be useful to you or someone.


Best wishes,




News Reader

Krustov wrote:
> 
> Apparently there was a hack for one of the freesat boxes that allowed 
> you to add more FTA channels to it - or summit .

Yes, the Humax allows you to add non Freesat FTA channels, but not to the 
Freesat EPG itself. The other boxes currently don't allow that, but a s/w 
upgrade is promised.

-- 
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:17:39 +0200, Nigel Barker
 wrote:

>The Sky EPG is poor. It is 10 years old & has never been updated. Slow, clunky
>& ugly. A decent computer based PVR has a far better EPG.

Sure. But name any set top box with a better EPG than Sky? 

(BT Vision possibly, but that doesn't count.)

--

On Jun 30, 8:31 pm, "News Reader" <n...@email.invalid> wrote:
> "Ed"  wrote in message
>
> news:b25c8844-4e5f-4fa7-8c81-88de0b03139f@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
> > realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
> > and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
>
> > Cheers
> > Ed
>
> Hi,
>
> Just a quick thought possibly worth mentioning...
>
> ... you / it is generally realised I hope that ...
>
> ... FreeSat (SD rather than HD) is essentially identical to a Sky box
> without a subscription except you get about 800 less channels...?
>
> I.e. switching from Sky to FreeSat will just get you less channels. If you
> just cancelled your Sky subscription you could continue using the Sky box
> for all the free channels - which is substantially more than are available
> using FreeSat.
>
> I.e. everything on FreeSat is available on an unsubscribed Sky box  their
> is even more (and a lot more - including interactive services as well as
> hundreds of channels) available on the Sky box (with or without an expired
> viewing card - and NO subscription - NOTHING to do with Sky... you don't
> talk to them or anything... just plug it in [or if you chose to become an
> ex-customer.... just leave it plugged in and cancel the service with them
> and the rest of it with all the free channels [all those on Freesat  loads
> more] continue - just without the paying Sky anything bit).
>
> Hope that makes some sense and might be useful to you or someone.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> News Reader

I'd like a PVR that I dont have to pay £10 a month to use, that picks
up the majority of watchable channels. I have no need for the 800
shopping/god/foreign/E4 shit that infests Sky and supposedly is worth
paying for

On Jun 30, 6:47 pm, "The dog from that film you saw"
 wrote:
> "Ed"  wrote in message
>
> news:a7f29857-85be-44aa-bd1a-5424b0468106@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > How successful are Freeview PVR's? I'm sure there are sky haters wanting a
> > Freesat SKY but is that the bulk of the target market?
>
> I have Sky and am hoping that the second the Freesat PVRs go on sale
> sky will drop the £10 a month charge to stop people leaving
>
> they did - months ago.
> unless you mean using it for free without a subscription - if you want to do
> that, you're not actually with them - to leave.

Yes, that's what I mean. It's a damned cheek!

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:31:39 +0100, "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> wrote:

>
>"Ed"  wrote in message 
>news:b25c8844-4e5f-4fa7-8c81-88de0b03139f@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
>> realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
>> and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ed
>
>
>Hi,
>
>
>Just a quick thought possibly worth mentioning...
>
>... you / it is generally realised I hope that ...
>
>... FreeSat (SD rather than HD) is essentially identical to a Sky box 
>without a subscription except you get about 800 less channels...?
>
>I.e. switching from Sky to FreeSat will just get you less channels. If you 
>just cancelled your Sky subscription you could continue using the Sky box 
>for all the free channels - which is substantially more than are available 
>using FreeSat.
>
>I.e. everything on FreeSat is available on an unsubscribed Sky box + their 
>is even more (and a lot more - including interactive services as well as 
>hundreds of channels) available on the Sky box (with or without an expired 
>viewing card - and NO subscription - NOTHING to do with Sky... you don't 
>talk to them or anything... just plug it in [or if you chose to become an 
>ex-customer.... just leave it plugged in and cancel the service with them 
>and the rest of it with all the free channels [all those on Freesat + loads 
>more] continue - just without the paying Sky anything bit).
>
>Hope that makes some sense and might be useful to you or someone.

You cannot however pop into John Lewis, Argos or wherever & buy a Sky digibox.
You can buy a Freesat box off the shelf.
--

Cheers

Nigel Barker
Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur

Ed wrote:
> On Jun 30, 11:21 am, "John Russell" 
> wrote:
>> "Ed"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:38978b63-688f-4d79-bb81-0dc3007775d0@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jun 30, 9:39 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>>>> And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
>>>> of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
>>>> whilst also running the Sky box?
>>> It would be, as they say, a piece of piss. If you can climb a ladder,
>>> the job's a good 'un.
>>> Cheers Mike.
>>> Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?
>> How successful are Freeview PVR's? I'm sure there are sky haters wanting a
>> Freesat SKY+ but is that the bulk of the target market?
> 
> I have Sky+ and am hoping that the second the Freesat PVRs go on sale
> sky will drop the £10 a month charge to stop people leaving

They've dropped that already, haven't they?

I don't pay it.

On Jul 1, 11:20 am, JNugent  wrote:
> Ed wrote:
> > On Jun 30, 11:21 am, "John Russell" 
> > wrote:
> >> "Ed"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:38978b63-688f-4d79-bb81-0dc3007775d0@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com.> >> On Jun 30, 9:39 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
>
> >>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Jun 30, 9:28 am, Ed  wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 30, 9:26 am, Mike Plowman  wrote:
> >>>> And can I therefore assume that there is nothing stopping me using one
> >>>> of the 2 spare outlets on the LNB to run a cable to a Freesat box
> >>>> whilst also running the Sky box?
> >>> It would be, as they say, a piece of piss. If you can climb a ladder,
> >>> the job's a good 'un.
> >>> Cheers Mike.
> >>> Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?
> >> How successful are Freeview PVR's? I'm sure there are sky haters wanting a
> >> Freesat SKY but is that the bulk of the target market?
>
> > I have Sky and am hoping that the second the Freesat PVRs go on sale
> > sky will drop the £10 a month charge to stop people leaving
>
> They've dropped that already, haven't they?
>
> I don't pay it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

If you dont have the minimum package you pay £10 a month to use the
recorder

Ed wrote:
> On Jun 30, 8:31 pm, "News Reader" <n...@email.invalid> wrote:
>> "Ed"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:b25c8844-4e5f-4fa7-8c81-88de0b03139f@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
>>> realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
>>> and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
>>> Cheers
>>> Ed
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just a quick thought possibly worth mentioning...
>>
>> ... you / it is generally realised I hope that ...
>>
>> ... FreeSat (SD rather than HD) is essentially identical to a Sky box
>> without a subscription except you get about 800 less channels...?
>>
>> I.e. switching from Sky to FreeSat will just get you less channels. If you
>> just cancelled your Sky subscription you could continue using the Sky box
>> for all the free channels - which is substantially more than are available
>> using FreeSat.
>>
>> I.e. everything on FreeSat is available on an unsubscribed Sky box + their
>> is even more (and a lot more - including interactive services as well as
>> hundreds of channels) available on the Sky box (with or without an expired
>> viewing card - and NO subscription - NOTHING to do with Sky... you don't
>> talk to them or anything... just plug it in [or if you chose to become an
>> ex-customer.... just leave it plugged in and cancel the service with them
>> and the rest of it with all the free channels [all those on Freesat + loads
>> more] continue - just without the paying Sky anything bit).
>>
>> Hope that makes some sense and might be useful to you or someone.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> News Reader
> 
> I'd like a PVR that I dont have to pay £10 a month to use, that picks
> up the majority of watchable channels. I have no need for the 800
> shopping/god/foreign/E4 shit that infests Sky and supposedly is worth
> paying for

The current Humax has the non-freesat FTA channels in a separate "mode", 
I believe. Whether that will remain and the PVR have the same 
capability, remains to be seen.

-- 
PeeGee

"Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the 
knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able 
to be removed from a computer easily."
Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05)

"Nigel Barker"  wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:31:39 +0100, "News Reader" <no@email.invalid> 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ed"  wrote in message
>>news:b25c8844-4e5f-4fa7-8c81-88de0b03139f@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Is freesat picked up by a sky dish, or does the dish have to be
>>> realigned? In other words, can I pop out to argos, buy a Freesat box
>>> and simply switch it for my current Sky box?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Ed
>>
>>
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>Just a quick thought possibly worth mentioning...
>>
>>... you / it is generally realised I hope that ...
>>
>>... FreeSat (SD rather than HD) is essentially identical to a Sky box
>>without a subscription except you get about 800 less channels...?
>>
>>I.e. switching from Sky to FreeSat will just get you less channels. If you
>>just cancelled your Sky subscription you could continue using the Sky box
>>for all the free channels - which is substantially more than are available
>>using FreeSat.
>>
>>I.e. everything on FreeSat is available on an unsubscribed Sky box + their
>>is even more (and a lot more - including interactive services as well as
>>hundreds of channels) available on the Sky box (with or without an expired
>>viewing card - and NO subscription - NOTHING to do with Sky... you don't
>>talk to them or anything... just plug it in [or if you chose to become an
>>ex-customer.... just leave it plugged in and cancel the service with them
>>and the rest of it with all the free channels [all those on Freesat + 
>>loads
>>more] continue - just without the paying Sky anything bit).
>>
>>Hope that makes some sense and might be useful to you or someone.
>
> You cannot however pop into John Lewis, Argos or wherever & buy a Sky 
> digibox.
> You can buy a Freesat box off the shelf.
> --
>
> Cheers
>
> Nigel Barker
> Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur


Hi,


Yes indeed... thank you for you and all others replies.

The Sky £75 offer might be comparable value (particularly if you require 
install) (obviously and then cancel after the free four months). Otherwise, 
their is the "secondhand market" - but that is clearly anything but 
convenient or the same as a retail packaged unit available on demand from a 
high street retailer, etc.

Main thing from my point, was to make sure you were not going (nor anyone 
else was going ) to go and by a FreeSat (SD) unit and expect something that 
in fact they would have got more of for less via sticking with their 
(cancelled subscription) Sky unit, etc., etc.


Best wishes,




News Reader

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:09:10 +0100, Mike Plowman
 wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:56:06 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
>wrote:

>>Why are there no Freesat PVRs for sale?
>
>I have no idea. Seems bloody stupid planning. Humax are supposed ot be
>launching one but when is anybody's guess.

I asked Freesat about this a couple of weeks ago, and was told  "Humax
will be releasing their freesat digital television recorder in the
third quater of 2008.  We recommend that you keep checking our website
for any updates."

Peter.

Nigel Barker wrote:

> Krustov wrote:

>> John Russell> <Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:21:24 +0100> wrote:

>>> How successful are Freeview PVR's?

They're very good!


>> The biggest gripe seems to be that most freeview pvrs dont have a series
>> link - and the epg on freeview boxes is nowhere near as good as skys .

> The Sky EPG is poor. It is 10 years old & has never been updated. Slow,
> clunky & ugly. A decent computer based PVR has a far better EPG.

I don't know how bad the Sky EPG is, but I now have a Sony PVR and the
Freeview EPG is excellent; it most certainly does have series link.


Fliss

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"Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> wrote in message 
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> Nigel Barker wrote:
>
>> Krustov wrote:
>
>>> John Russell> <Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:21:24 +0100> wrote:
>
>>>> How successful are Freeview PVR's?
>
> They're very good!

That's not the point. It's to do with market share. Freeview is populer but 
most people don't use a Freesat PVR to access it. Freesat could become 
populer, but not necessarily using  expensive PVR's. There seems to be a 
view that people want free "SAT". Most people don't care how their TV is 
delivered. The decision is based upon "access" to content. I can't "access" 
Sky Sports any other way than via Sky!

Ed wrote:

> I'd like a PVR that I dont have to pay £10 a month to use, that picks
> up the majority of watchable channels. I have no need for the 800
> shopping/god/foreign/E4 shit that infests Sky and supposedly is worth
> paying for

There was a thread about a new Freesat version of the Sky+ box that'll
be the same only bigger and better, to be sold over Sky's dead body.


Fliss

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She said: Right, because my panties stuffed in your paper
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John Russell wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:

>> John Russell wrote:

>>> How successful are Freeview PVR's?

>> They're very good!

> That's not the point. It's to do with market share. Freeview is populer
> but most people don't use a Freesat PVR to access it.

Did you mean to write "Freeview PVR" there?


> Freesat could become populer, but not necessarily using expensive PVR's.

PVRs are getting very affordable, and they're much better than Sky+.


Fliss

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"Felicity S." <Fliss@orpheusnet> wrote in message 
news:fIxm7.2485$lk6.886847@orpheusnews...
> John Russell wrote:
>
>> Felicity S. wrote:
>
>>> John Russell wrote:
>
>>>> How successful are Freeview PVR's?
>
>>> They're very good!
>
>> That's not the point. It's to do with market share. Freeview is populer
>> but most people don't use a Freesat PVR to access it.
>
> Did you mean to write "Freeview PVR" there?
>
>
>> Freesat could become populer, but not necessarily using expensive PVR's.
>
> PVRs are getting very affordable, and they're much better than Sky+.
>
>
> Fliss
>
> -- 
> She said: So then he must have already had the head with him in the
>         front seat. Huh, that's weird. Why would he keep it there?
> He said: I don't know. So he could use a carpool lane.
>
I can't get Sky sports on Freesat! I don't spend all day "using" the EPG for 
something to do, it's just  a means to access "cotnent". Content is King, 
anyone who would change to Freesat just becuase of the quality of the 
digibox's is daft.


P.S you don't win arguments by making comments about grammer. It shows you 
up as a pompous!

John Russell wrote:

> Felicity S. wrote:
>> John Russell wrote:
>>> Felicity S. wrote:
>>>> John Russell wrote:

>>>>> How successful are Freeview PVR's?

>>>> They're very good!

>>> That's not the point. It's to do with market share. Freeview is populer
>>> but most people don't use a Freesat PVR to access it.

>> Did you mean to write "Freeview PVR" there?


>>> Freesat could become populer, but not necessarily using expensive PVR's.

>> PVRs are getting very affordable, and they're much better than Sky+.

> I can't get Sky sports on Freesat!

We're discussing how Sky+ compares with other PVRs, not what they receive.


> P.S you don't win arguments by making comments about grammer.

I made no comments about grammar, and have no need to do so in order
to win arguments. I merely asked for clarification since you seemed to
be making a weird point about using Freesat to access Freeview.


Fliss

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John Russell wrote:

> I can't get Sky sports on Freesat! 

You make that sound as if it's a bad thing ?



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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:31:39 +0100, "News Reader" <no@email.invalid>
wrote:


>Just a quick thought possibly worth mentioning...
>
>... you / it is generally realised I hope that ...
>
>... FreeSat (SD rather than HD) is essentially identical to a Sky box 
>without a subscription except you get about 800 less channels...?

er no not on the humax you get all the fta channels in non freesat
mode the only useful channel I can see that im missing on my humax is
Setanta Sports news because its ftv but i get sky sports news on
freeview so no probs there.

If your taking about pay channels then you are missing the point of
FREEsat that it is FREE not pay thru your nose

>I.e. switching from Sky to FreeSat will just get you less channels. If you 
>just cancelled your Sky subscription you could continue using the Sky box 
>for all the free channels - which is substantially more than are available 
>using FreeSat.

Again you are totally and utterly wrong

>I.e. everything on FreeSat is available on an unsubscribed Sky box + their 
>is even more (and a lot more - including interactive services as well as 
>hundreds of channels) available on the Sky box (with or without an expired 
>viewing card - and NO subscription - NOTHING to do with Sky... you don't 
>talk to them or anything... just plug it in [or if you chose to become an 
>ex-customer.... just leave it plugged in and cancel the service with them 
>and the rest of it with all the free channels [all those on Freesat + loads 
>more] continue - just without the paying Sky anything bit).

Except most people want HD without paying sky thru the nose for
Do sky make a standard HD box no is the answer your looking for

You have a point about the interactive services in that my Humax
doesn't seem to be interactive at all hopefully this will be sorted
out in a future upgrade. In any case you could probably find the
stream in non freesat mode.

>Hope that makes some sense and might be useful to you or someone.

It would make more sense if you got some clue as to what you're on
about
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