Hi

I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
of these things) cannot get clear by searching!

I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
second TV with only analogue channels (4)

I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.

Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.

Please help!!
Julie

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> Hi
>
> I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
> of these things) cannot get clear by searching!
>
> I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
> reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
> second TV with only analogue channels (4)
>
> I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
> occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.
>
> Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
> multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
> buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
> Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
> get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.
>
> Please help!!
> Julie
>
>
A second box would require a SKY Card to get subscription channels. It would 
even require a Freesat card to get Free, but Sky encrypted channels. When 
you get SKY+ to engineer will have to got a new LNB to the dish to drive the 
two feeds on the SKY+. This is called a Quad LNB and has 4 feeds. When the 
engineer rings to confirm his appointment you could ask him if he would add 
the extra cables if you paid him extra. Of course if you go for multiroom 
when you book SKY+ that would be included.

For only occasional use you can make do  with the RF feed from the SKY box 
in a second location.

"John Russell"  wrote in message 
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>  wrote in message 
> news:41bc99e7-d088-456a-8fda-eb914a091282@5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi
>>
>> I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
>> of these things) cannot get clear by searching!
>>
>> I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
>> reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
>> second TV with only analogue channels (4)
>>
>> I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
>> occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.
>>
>> Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
>> multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
>> buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
>> Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
>> get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.
>>
>> Please help!!
>> Julie
>>
>>
> A second box would require a SKY Card to get subscription channels. It 
> would even require a Freesat card to get Free, but Sky encrypted channels. 
> When you get SKY+ to engineer will have to got a new LNB to the dish to 
> drive the two feeds on the SKY+. This is called a Quad LNB and has 4 
> feeds. When the engineer rings to confirm his appointment you could ask 
> him if he would add the extra cables if you paid him extra. Of course if 
> you go for multiroom when you book SKY+ that would be included.
>
> For only occasional use you can make do  with the RF feed from the SKY box 
> in a second location.
>

I have a SKY card as I have a sub for basic 4 mix  sky  (no premiums) so I 
hope that will be OK

The issue is  Do I have to call an engineer? Will it work if I just plug the 
new plus box in to the existing leads? And if that is OK how do I get the 
second one to work on the basic box......can I split the cable somehow (with 
a splitter plug not literaaly!) or do those wireless things work OK?

How do I know if the dish has Quad LNB with 4 feeds?? It is a pretty new 
dish....only a few months old.

Thanks folks

"Julie"  wrote in message 
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> The issue is  Do I have to call an engineer? Will it work if I just plug 
> the new plus box in to the existing leads? And if that is OK how do I get 
> the second one to work on the basic box......can I split the cable somehow 
> (with a splitter plug not literaaly!) or do those wireless things work OK?
>
> How do I know if the dish has Quad LNB with 4 feeds?? It is a pretty new 
> dish....only a few months old.

A quad LNB on the dish basically means you can have up to four inputs (Four 
wires from the roof)

Sky+ would take two of them leaving you two left for running to any other 
two Satellite receivers.

Obviously, You'd need to have a third length of coax fitted by an installer 
(Sky might refit your original Sky box in another room when installing Sky+ 
for you)

Ask when phoning is the best idea, Telling them you want to use your spare 
box as a Free Sat Box.

T.W.

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> Hi
>
> I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
> of these things) cannot get clear by searching!
>
> I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
> reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
> second TV with only analogue channels (4)
>
> I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
> occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.
>
> Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
> multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
> buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
> Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
> get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.
>
> Please help!!
> Julie
>
>



if you get another feed fitted to your other room you could take your 
viewing card from 1 box to the other - but it wouldnt work for sky movies or 
sports - just the other subscription channels.
plus you couldnt use both boxes at once - obviously.



-- 
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

"the dog from that film you saw"  wrote 
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>  wrote in message 
> news:41bc99e7-d088-456a-8fda-eb914a091282@5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi
>>
>> I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
>> of these things) cannot get clear by searching!
>>
>> I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
>> reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
>> second TV with only analogue channels (4)
>>
>> I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
>> occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.
>>
>> Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
>> multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
>> buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
>> Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
>> get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.
>>
>> Please help!!
>> Julie
>>
>>
>
>
>
> if you get another feed fitted to your other room you could take your 
> viewing card from 1 box to the other - but it wouldnt work for sky movies 
> or sports - just the other subscription channels.
> plus you couldnt use both boxes at once - obviously.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Gareth.
>
> That fly... is your magic wand.
> http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/
>
Oh of course.....It would be a nuisance shifting the SKY card around so back 
to basics on the second TV!

I will look at the dish to see whether there are 4 "sockets" when it is 
light again.

Anyone tried those SCART type wireless beamer thingys do they work for a 
second connection?

Also any way of bypassing the SKY installers....I was not impressed, The 
first time the guy fitted a new cable but left an old dish.....3 days later 
it blew off almost. The second guy fixed a new dish, but right in front of 
the window! The refused to m ove it. his boss came and was OK....

"Julie"  wrote in message 
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>
> "the dog from that film you saw"  
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>>  wrote in message 
>> news:41bc99e7-d088-456a-8fda-eb914a091282@5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
>>> of these things) cannot get clear by searching!
>>>
>>> I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
>>> reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
>>> second TV with only analogue channels (4)
>>>
>>> I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
>>> occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
>>> multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
>>> buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
>>> Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
>>> get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.
>>>
>>> Please help!!
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> if you get another feed fitted to your other room you could take your 
>> viewing card from 1 box to the other - but it wouldnt work for sky movies 
>> or sports - just the other subscription channels.
>> plus you couldnt use both boxes at once - obviously.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Gareth.
>>
>> That fly... is your magic wand.
>> http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/
>>
> Oh of course.....It would be a nuisance shifting the SKY card around so 
> back to basics on the second TV!
>
> I will look at the dish to see whether there are 4 "sockets" when it is 
> light again.
>
> Anyone tried those SCART type wireless beamer thingys do they work for a 
> second connection?
>
> Also any way of bypassing the SKY installers....I was not impressed, The 
> first time the guy fitted a new cable but left an old dish.....3 days 
> later it blew off almost. The second guy fixed a new dish, but right in 
> front of the window! The refused to m ove it. his boss came and was OK....
>


If you do not want to watch both Sky boxes at the same time then save 
yourself a lot of hassle and get the wireless digisender thing from Argos or 
somewhere. I have one of those AEI Digisenders and it cost about 55 euro 
(about 40 stg?) I think in Argos catalogue. Stick one half in back of Sky+ 
box the other half in back of TV in other room and voila! no wires, no 
messing. Only catch is to change channels you will either need to bring the 
Sky+ remote from room to room or just buy a spare remote (also in Argos 
catalogue about 40 euro/25 stg??).

There are more expensive ones in the catalogue which would enable you to 
feed extra things like DVD etc to the 2nd room but unless you are seriously 
into technology (and you can see from my reply that I am not a techie 
person;-) do like me and buy a cheapy DVD player for 2nd room. The 33 euro 
Aldi player I have looks as good to me as the 250 Panasonic in main room.

"Julie"  wrote in message 
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> "John Russell"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:41bc99e7-d088-456a-8fda-eb914a091282@5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
>>> of these things) cannot get clear by searching!
>>>
>>> I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
>>> reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
>>> second TV with only analogue channels (4)
>>>
>>> I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
>>> occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
>>> multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
>>> buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
>>> Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
>>> get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.
>>>
>>> Please help!!
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>> A second box would require a SKY Card to get subscription channels. It 
>> would even require a Freesat card to get Free, but Sky encrypted 
>> channels. When you get SKY+ to engineer will have to got a new LNB to the 
>> dish to drive the two feeds on the SKY+. This is called a Quad LNB and 
>> has 4 feeds. When the engineer rings to confirm his appointment you could 
>> ask him if he would add the extra cables if you paid him extra. Of course 
>> if you go for multiroom when you book SKY+ that would be included.
>>
>> For only occasional use you can make do  with the RF feed from the SKY 
>> box in a second location.
>>
>
> I have a SKY card as I have a sub for basic 4 mix  sky  (no premiums) so I 
> hope that will be OK
>
> The issue is  Do I have to call an engineer? Will it work if I just plug 
> the new plus box in to the existing leads? And if that is OK how do I get 
> the second one to work on the basic box......can I split the cable somehow 
> (with a splitter plug not literaaly!) or do those wireless things work OK?
>
> How do I know if the dish has Quad LNB with 4 feeds?? It is a pretty new 
> dish....only a few months old.
>
> Thanks folks
>

Sky don't fit Quad's for single digibox installations. They replace the 
single LNB with a Quad when SKY+ is installed. A Sat link is bi-directional 
with control information going from the sat tuner to the LNB. You can't 
split a sat lead and feed two tuners!

So when you order SKY+ the installtion is not just the box but will include 
changing the LNB and running in the extra cables. You can't just buy a SKY+ 
off Ebay and connect it up!

On Jan 3, 1:48 pm, julie.mei...@btopenworld.com wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
> of these things) cannot get clear by searching!
>
> I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
> reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
> second TV with only analogue channels (4)
>
> I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
> occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.
>
> Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
> multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
> buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
> Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
> get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.
>
> Please help!!
> Julie

Julie

There's a socket (called RF2) on the back of all Sky boxes.  Connect a
TV to it using normal TV aerial cable and you can watch the same
picture on both TV's for no extra cost.  If you have a TV socket in
your wall that you don't use (you said your reception was poor) then
try plugging the RF2 socket into that, and in your attic connect the
cable from the aerial to the other room instead.  Then the picture
will appear on the other TV in the other room.  We have the same pic
on 4 TV's in 4 different rooms this way (but we need a booster to
power it all!)

You can even change the channels from the other room too using your
remote control!

There's a bit more involved as you may also need to switch on the RF2
socket in the Sky "secret" menu - have a look at this website for more
help:

www.satcure.co.uk

Good Luck!

TT

Thanks all for the helpful advice....I think, for me, my easiet option is to 
go via Sky and then rig up the old box when i get around to it!!

J
"paddytt"  wrote in message 
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> On Jan 3, 1:48 pm, julie.mei...@btopenworld.com wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have 2 questions please that I find I (with my limited undestanding
>> of these things) cannot get clear by searching!
>>
>> I have a Sky subscription.as there is no freeeview and bad analogue
>> reception where I live, attached to main TV and DVD recorder. I have a
>> second TV with only analogue channels (4)
>>
>> I would like a sky+ box on the main TV  and access (but only
>> occasionally) to the ordinary Sky on a second TV.
>>
>> Is there a way to do either or both of these things without paying for
>> multiroom access as it does not warrant paying out for that? Also if I
>> buy a plus box from ebay do I just plug it in or is there more to do?
>> Can I then plug the old sky box into the second TV....if so how do I
>> get it to fit with the cabling....is there a splitter or somwthing.
>>
>> Please help!!
>> Julie
>
> Julie
>
> There's a socket (called RF2) on the back of all Sky boxes.  Connect a
> TV to it using normal TV aerial cable and you can watch the same
> picture on both TV's for no extra cost.  If you have a TV socket in
> your wall that you don't use (you said your reception was poor) then
> try plugging the RF2 socket into that, and in your attic connect the
> cable from the aerial to the other room instead.  Then the picture
> will appear on the other TV in the other room.  We have the same pic
> on 4 TV's in 4 different rooms this way (but we need a booster to
> power it all!)
>
> You can even change the channels from the other room too using your
> remote control!
>
> There's a bit more involved as you may also need to switch on the RF2
> socket in the Sky "secret" menu - have a look at this website for more
> help:
>
> www.satcure.co.uk
>
> Good Luck!
>
> TT

"Julie"  wrote in message 
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> Thanks all for the helpful advice....I think, for me, my easiet option is 
> to go via Sky and then rig up the old box when i get around to it!!
>
Easiest, but not cheapest! If you can get the engineer to officially or 
unofficially put in the extra cables to support the old box in a new 
location you would be better off doing so.

Sky have a fair number of Independent ASA's (Authorised Sky Agents)
around the country.
They are independent businesses which are fully registered with Sky to
be able to sign customers up to Sky and deal with the initial set up.
Some, but not all of these choose to do their own installation of Sky
systems for the customers.
Some just do the initial sign-ups and then hand on the installation to
Sky themselves.

Many of the ASA's are independent TV shops etc, and others are Aerial
companies.
Some are obviously TV shops who do their own aerial and Sky
installations.

If you approach the right type of Sky ASA, you can talk over the whole
installation and ask any questions and arrange for them to do the
installation of Sky and integrate it with anything else you have or
should want.

They will charge the going rate for the job, obviously, but they will
usually give  the "Sky Special Offers" which are available at the time
to make the overall job cheaper.

Generally you will get a good job as the dealer will have a reputation
to maintain.

> They will charge the going rate for the job, obviously, but they will
> usually give  the "Sky Special Offers" which are available at the time
> to make the overall job cheaper.
>
Getting out an engineer to run in the additional cables "at a later date" 
will still incur another minimum charge of £65, even from an independent. 
It's far better to get "all" the cabling sorted out on the initial  visit to 
install the SKY+.

> Getting out an engineer to run in the additional cables "at a later date"
> will still incur another minimum charge of £65, even from an independent> It's far better to get "all" the cabling sorted out on the initial  visit to
> install the SKY.

I agree that it is best to do the whole thing at once but I still
stress that an independent dealer is just that, even if they are an
Authorised Sky Agent, and it is not true that there is a minimum
charge of £65 from an independent dealer.
It is up to the dealer what they charge.
In my case the minimum charge is £28 but obviously that will vary
considerably and there are those who will charge considerably more.