Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of a 
main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better than 
the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. The only 
actual HD program today seems to be a film!

John Russell wrote:
> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of a 
> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better than 
> the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. The only 
> actual HD program today seems to be a film! 
> 
> 
Is this channel FTA or FTV? In other words, do you still need a $ky card 
to watch it?


Clem

"John Russell"  wrote in message 
news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of a 
> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better 
> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. The 
> only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>


is there any indication in the program guide which shows are hd ?


-- 
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

"Clem Dye"  wrote in message 
news:TDe7j.17059$jy3.3553@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> John Russell wrote:
>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>> a main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better 
>> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. 
>> The only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
> Is this channel FTA or FTV? In other words, do you still need a $ky card 
> to watch it?



regular channel 4 needs a card - and so does this.
interestingly it seems to be about a second behind channel 4 sd on 
satellite - which is behind terrestrial analogue channel 4.



-- 
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

"the dog from that film you saw"  wrote 
in message news:5s5b57F17brq2U2@mid.individual.net...
>
> "John Russell"  wrote in message 
> news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>> a main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better 
>> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. 
>> The only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>>
>
>
> is there any indication in the program guide which shows are hd ?
>
>
> -- 
> Gareth.
>
> That fly... is your magic wand.
> http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/
>
Yes,  the only program today seems to be the late evening film. But as I 
said the scaled SD broadcasts are better than the normal SD broadcast.

"Clem Dye"  wrote in message 
news:TDe7j.17059$jy3.3553@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
> John Russell wrote:
>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>> a main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better 
>> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. 
>> The only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
> Is this channel FTA or FTV? In other words, do you still need a $ky card 
> to watch it?

I think you should check channel4 to see if it's doesn't use Sky's 
encryption and hence doesn't need a SKY card, even a freesat card.

"the dog from that film you saw"  wrote 
in message news:5s5b8kF16amfnU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Clem Dye"  wrote in message 
> news:TDe7j.17059$jy3.3553@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>> John Russell wrote:
>>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>>> a main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better 
>>> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. 
>>> The only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>> Is this channel FTA or FTV? In other words, do you still need a $ky card 
>> to watch it?
>
>
>
> regular channel 4 needs a card - and so does this.
> interestingly it seems to be about a second behind channel 4 sd on 
> satellite - which is behind terrestrial analogue channel 4.

That's normal. I know when Sky footy is on that a goal has been scored 
because my neighbours chear their SKY SD broadcast, and then a goal is 
scored a couple of seconds later on the HD broadcast.

"John Russell"  wrote in message 
news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of a 
> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better 
> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. The 
> only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>
It would be nice if we could have Film4 HD some time soon!

In <475d7902$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, "John Russell"
 wrote:

>"John Russell"  wrote in message 
>news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of a 
>> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better 
>> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. The 
>> only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>>
>It would be nice if we could have Film4 HD some time soon! 

Nice, certainly. A FTA, HD, film channel. Probably rather a lot to ask,
though :-(

"Mike Henry" <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:bb3rl3p67j1vs2tir3cmmoiqg0pcnrbaj6@4ax.com...
> In <475d7902$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, "John Russell"
>  wrote:
>
>>"John Russell"  wrote in message
>>news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>>> a
>>> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better
>>> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. 
>>> The
>>> only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>>>
>>It would be nice if we could have Film4 HD some time soon!
>
> Nice, certainly. A FTA, HD, film channel. Probably rather a lot to ask,
> though :-(
>
The media companies like to milk every opportunity to get more "value" out 
their product. So I bet a 16:9 HD broadcast copy is going to cost compared 
to some letterbox 4:3 broadcast copy made 15 years ago.

"Mike Henry" <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:bb3rl3p67j1vs2tir3cmmoiqg0pcnrbaj6@4ax.com...
> In <475d7902$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, "John Russell"
>  wrote:
>
>>"John Russell"  wrote in message
>>news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>>> a
>>> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better
>>> than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. 
>>> The
>>> only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>>>
>>It would be nice if we could have Film4 HD some time soon!
>
> Nice, certainly. A FTA, HD, film channel. Probably rather a lot to ask,
> though :-(
>



i know it's early days but it's a little dissapointing that their prime time 
shows are not in hd - i'm sure the channel launch isnt a spur of the moment 
thing so you'd think they would have started making their new shows in HD a 
year or so ago - i need my HD property ladder (!)


-- 
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

John Russell wrote:
> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of a 
> main channel. 

Channel 4 have a history of beating the lumbering old Beeb at other 
innovations too.

Official public NICAM service
PDC
Widescreen (aka PALPlus)


-- 
Mark
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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5s5r69F15v0r4U1@mid.individual.net...
> John Russell wrote:
>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>> a main channel.
>
> Channel 4 have a history of beating the lumbering old Beeb at other 
> innovations too.
>
> Official public NICAM service
> PDC
> Widescreen (aka PALPlus)

One wonders how much the BBC trustees decision to allow a formal HD service 
to start was a factor. Whilst the BBC where dithering no one else was going 
to commit. It's just typical of the BBC of having had the go ahead the start 
of the service is delayed. I suppose they will say the funding isn't there 
until the next financial  year!

John Russell wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:5s5r69F15v0r4U1@mid.individual.net...
>> John Russell wrote:
>>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>>> a main channel.
>> Channel 4 have a history of beating the lumbering old Beeb at other 
>> innovations too.
>>
>> Official public NICAM service
>> PDC
>> Widescreen (aka PALPlus)
> 
> One wonders how much the BBC trustees decision to allow a formal HD service 
> to start was a factor. Whilst the BBC where dithering no one else was going 
> to commit. It's just typical of the BBC of having had the go ahead the start 
> of the service is delayed. I suppose they will say the funding isn't there 
> until the next financial  year! 

AIUI the BBC HD service was finally launched (as a public service) on Dec 1st ?
They're actually plugging it now on Beeb 1/2.


-- 
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

And there's a dog! - seems they save it for only when they show HD 
material.....



-- 
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

John Russell wrote:
> "Mike Henry" <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bb3rl3p67j1vs2tir3cmmoiqg0pcnrbaj6@4ax.com...
>> In <475d7902$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>, "John Russell"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> "John Russell"  wrote in message
>>> news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>>>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD
>>>> version of a
>>>> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way
>>>> better than the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or
>>>> SKY HD box. The
>>>> only actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>>>>
>>> It would be nice if we could have Film4 HD some time soon!
>>
>> Nice, certainly. A FTA, HD, film channel. Probably rather a lot to
>> ask, though :-(
>>
> The media companies like to milk every opportunity to get more
> "value" out their product. So I bet a 16:9 HD broadcast copy is going
> to cost compared to some letterbox 4:3 broadcast copy made 15 years
> ago.

I watched, 2010 a space odyssey on TCM a while ago, the copy was in a 
dreadful aspect ratio, that produced a thin band across my 55 inch tv, god 
help people with 4:3, but that wasnt the worst of it, the quality was so 
poor, it looked like it was broadcast from some excessively watched vhs 
tape, and no tracking...

Gaz

"Gaz"  wrote in message 
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> I watched, 2010 a space odyssey on TCM a while ago, the copy was in a 
> dreadful aspect ratio, that produced a thin band across my 55 inch tv


presumably it was non anamorphic and you didnt put your tv into zoom mode 
then.
4:3 owners would have seen it in the correct aspect ratio.


-- 
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

"the dog from that film you saw"  wrote 
in message news:5s5sb2F17l6p1U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> And there's a dog! - seems they save it for only when they show HD 
> material.....
>
>


So it's a high definition picture summarily ruined by the marketing cunts.

I doubt I'll bother then.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:5s5s2dF15v0r4U3@mid.individual.net...
> John Russell wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:5s5r69F15v0r4U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> John Russell wrote:
>>>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version 
>>>> of a main channel.
>>> Channel 4 have a history of beating the lumbering old Beeb at other 
>>> innovations too.
>>>
>>> Official public NICAM service
>>> PDC
>>> Widescreen (aka PALPlus)
>>
>> One wonders how much the BBC trustees decision to allow a formal HD 
>> service to start was a factor. Whilst the BBC where dithering no one else 
>> was going to commit. It's just typical of the BBC of having had the go 
>> ahead the start of the service is delayed. I suppose they will say the 
>> funding isn't there until the next financial  year!
>
> AIUI the BBC HD service was finally launched (as a public service) on Dec 
> 1st ?
> They're actually plugging it now on Beeb 1/2.

All I get still is BBC HD, which isn't a HD version of any channel in 
particular and most of the day is still BBC HD Preview. When will we get BBC 
1 HD? When will the rest follow? Or is BBC HD, as constituted now, it?

"John Russell"  wrote in message
news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of a
> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better
than
> the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. The only
> actual HD program today seems to be a film!

Where on the Sky EPG is this on?

"Commander Gideon"  wrote in message
news:fjlv0i$f1q$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "John Russell"  wrote in message
> news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> > Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of
a
> > main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better
> than
> > the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. The
only
> > actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>
> Where on the Sky EPG is this on?

Found it on 140!

"Commander Gideon"  wrote in message 
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>
> "John Russell"  wrote in message
> news:475d6fb5$1_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> Crumbs. Little old channel4 has beaten the BBC to having a HD version of 
>> a
>> main channel. The scaled SD MPEG4 HD transmission output is way better
> than
>> the normal SD MPEG2 channel scaled by either my TV or SKY HD box. The 
>> only
>> actual HD program today seems to be a film!
>
> Where on the Sky EPG is this on?
>
>
It's finally displaced BBC HD from the head of the HD Channel list. It's 
easy to miss as you just assume  BBC HD will be there.You might have missed 
it watching all that lovely shop footage on the Luxe channel!

"John Russell"  wrote in message 
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>


> All I get still is BBC HD, which isn't a HD version of any channel in 
> particular and most of the day is still BBC HD Preview. When will we get 
> BBC 1 HD? When will the rest follow? Or is BBC HD, as constituted now, it?
>
>
>


i'd sooner have a bbc hd channel that airs hd versions of shows from all bbc 
channels as opposed to a simulcast.
i would however like it to run for 24hrs a day once sufficient material 
exists.



-- 
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

> i'd sooner have a bbc hd channel that airs hd versions of shows from all 
> bbc channels as opposed to a simulcast.
> i would however like it to run for 24hrs a day once sufficient material 
> exists.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Gareth.
>
> That fly... is your magic wand.
> http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/
>

That's OK if the BBC would keep us up to date. Why can't they say"...this SD 
broadcast will be available in HD in two weeks time".
Since you don't know you always taking a gamble if you don't watch the SD 
broadcast, and having done so I don't want to watch the unannounced HD 
broadcasts weeks later.
Because of that I really only the watch programs which are announced on HD 
and SD at the same time, such as Heroes.