ITV reception is getting to be a real problem, esp. now the Rugby World 
Cup is on !

It's been like this ever since we installed - varies according to time 
of day, and also depending on what you are recording and how you got to 
channel 103 apparently (either with direct selection of 103, or by 
scrolling up or down the channels). Best way to get a good picture is to 
set the Sky+ box to record and then watch the recording with a slight 
delay which then eventually catches up.

None of this seemed to work last night though, so in desperation I added 
the ITV regional channels and amazingly several of them are perfect !
Problem then is that I don't have Sky+ functionality.

Questions:

1. Why don't Sky have all the ITV regions on alternate channels like 
they do for BBC regions ?  Are there any plans to have them ?

2. Can I setup 103 to be a regional ITV station ?  My official postcode 
says that I am in London, but I'd much prefer to watch Anglia anyway as 
it's where I used to live and still like to see the local news, esp. 
sports ?

TIA

On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:23:17 +0200, BrritSki 
wrote:

>None of this seemed to work last night though, so in desperation I added 
>the ITV regional channels and amazingly several of them are perfect !

That could indicate that your dish may be slightly misaligned. 

>1. Why don't Sky have all the ITV regions on alternate channels like 
>they do for BBC regions ?  Are there any plans to have them ?

The BBC pay a fortune to have all those (identical) channels listed in
the EPG - ITV pays only to have the local region listed, which is
cheaper and arguably better. 

>2. Can I setup 103 to be a regional ITV station ?  My official postcode 
>says that I am in London, but I'd much prefer to watch Anglia anyway as 
>it's where I used to live and still like to see the local news, esp. 
>sports ?

No, the station you get on 103 is the station that ITV instruct Sky to
make available to viewers in your postcode area. But as you've seen
you can tune in the other regions manually.

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Zero Tolerance wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:23:17 +0200, BrritSki 
> wrote:
> 
>> None of this seemed to work last night though, so in desperation I added 
>> the ITV regional channels and amazingly several of them are perfect !
> 
> That could indicate that your dish may be slightly misaligned. 

I did wonder about that - I don't think the local guy I used is that 
precise, have to find someone else...
> 
>> 1. Why don't Sky have all the ITV regions on alternate channels like 
>> they do for BBC regions ?  Are there any plans to have them ?
> 
> The BBC pay a fortune to have all those (identical) channels listed in
> the EPG - ITV pays only to have the local region listed, which is
> cheaper and arguably better. 
> 
For them maybe, not for the consumer, because the channels are NOT 
identical, e.g. in local news coverage. Anglia also had a very good 
political programme that only it carried.

>> 2. Can I setup 103 to be a regional ITV station ?  My official postcode 
>> says that I am in London, but I'd much prefer to watch Anglia anyway as 
>> it's where I used to live and still like to see the local news, esp. 
>> sports ?
> 
> No, the station you get on 103 is the station that ITV instruct Sky to
> make available to viewers in your postcode area. But as you've seen
> you can tune in the other regions manually.
> 
Agreed, but I lose Sky+ functionality.
Why can't Sky show me the regional channel *I* want to see on 103 ? 
Would ITV complain or even care ???

Thanks for your reply and information...

>>> 2. Can I setup 103 to be a regional ITV station ?  My official postcode
>>> says that I am in London, but I'd much prefer to watch Anglia anyway as 
>>> it's where I used to live and still like to see the local news, esp. 
>>> sports ?
>>
>> No, the station you get on 103 is the station that ITV instruct Sky to
>> make available to viewers in your postcode area. But as you've seen
>> you can tune in the other regions manually.
>>
> Agreed, but I lose Sky+ functionality.
> Why can't Sky show me the regional channel *I* want to see on 103 ? Would 
> ITV complain or even care ???

Advertisers care when they target *your* area, and ITV needs all the 
advertisers it can get.

When ITV1 was first added to Sky I lived in Surrey, about 8 miles SW of the 
M25. We received London and Meridian (Newbury) on analogue, but were 
allocated Meridian (Southampton) on Sky. It got slightly better as the 
Thames Valley sub-region was later added, but I had fruitless debate with 
ITV and Sky over having a more local ITV region.

I recall others reporting that originally Maidstone (where one Meridian 
region actually had their studios) was allocated London ITV on Sky!

BrritSki  wrote:
: Why can't Sky show me the regional channel *I* want to see on 103 ? 
: Would ITV complain or even care ???

ITV care - but not in the sense you want them to!

They (ITV) provide Sky with Postcode->ITV Region data and Sky implement this.

As Sky have a contract (and are being paid!) to do this for ITV they won't
allow the customer to override ITVs instructions.

BrritSki wrote:

> 1. Why don't Sky have all the ITV regions on alternate channels like
> they do for BBC regions ?  Are there any plans to have them ?

http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/Sat/SkyITV.htm

Cheers,

Stuart.

BrritSki wrote:
> ITV reception is getting to be a real problem, esp. now the Rugby World 
> Cup is on !
> 
> It's been like this ever since we installed - varies according to time 
> of day, and also depending on what you are recording and how you got to 
> channel 103 apparently (either with direct selection of 103, or by 
> scrolling up or down the channels). Best way to get a good picture is to 
> set the Sky+ box to record and then watch the recording with a slight 
> delay which then eventually catches up.
> 
> None of this seemed to work last night though, so in desperation I added 
> the ITV regional channels and amazingly several of them are perfect !
> Problem then is that I don't have Sky+ functionality.
> 
> Questions:
> 
> 1. Why don't Sky have all the ITV regions on alternate channels like 
> they do for BBC regions ?  Are there any plans to have them ?
> 
> 2. Can I setup 103 to be a regional ITV station ?  My official postcode 
> says that I am in London, but I'd much prefer to watch Anglia anyway as 
> it's where I used to live and still like to see the local news, esp. 
> sports ?
> 
> TIA

What, if any, region do you get on 993? I get Meridian (South) on 103 
and London on 993.

(I also happen to be roughly equidistant from Hannington and Crystal 
Palace for DTT.)

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PeeGee wrote:

> What, if any, region do you get on 993? I get Meridian (South) on 103 
> and London on 993.

All areas outside of London get ITV London on 993. This is because the only 
region to carry an Audio Description track is London's.

Similarly you'll also find C4 London on 994, and C4+1 London on 995.

PeeGee wrote:
> BrritSki wrote:
>> ITV reception is getting to be a real problem, esp. now the Rugby 
>> World Cup is on !
>>
>> It's been like this ever since we installed - varies according to time 
>> of day, and also depending on what you are recording and how you got 
>> to channel 103 apparently (either with direct selection of 103, or by 
>> scrolling up or down the channels). Best way to get a good picture is 
>> to set the Sky+ box to record and then watch the recording with a 
>> slight delay which then eventually catches up.
>>
>> None of this seemed to work last night though, so in desperation I 
>> added the ITV regional channels and amazingly several of them are 
>> perfect !
>> Problem then is that I don't have Sky+ functionality.
>>
>> Questions:
>>
>> 1. Why don't Sky have all the ITV regions on alternate channels like 
>> they do for BBC regions ?  Are there any plans to have them ?
>>
>> 2. Can I setup 103 to be a regional ITV station ?  My official 
>> postcode says that I am in London, but I'd much prefer to watch Anglia 
>> anyway as it's where I used to live and still like to see the local 
>> news, esp. sports ?
>>
>> TIA
> 
> What, if any, region do you get on 993? I get Meridian (South) on 103 
> and London on 993.
> 
Nothing unfortunately....

Stuart Marshall wrote:
> BrritSki wrote:
> 
>> 1. Why don't Sky have all the ITV regions on alternate channels like
>> they do for BBC regions ?  Are there any plans to have them ?
> 
> http://www.vowles-home.demon.co.uk/Sat/SkyITV.htm
> 
Yes I've already done that thanks.
Works fine, except for Sky+ funtionality.

Brian McIlwrath wrote:
> BrritSki  wrote:
> : Why can't Sky show me the regional channel *I* want to see on 103 ? 
> : Would ITV complain or even care ???
> 
> ITV care - but not in the sense you want them to!
> 
> They (ITV) provide Sky with Postcode->ITV Region data and Sky implement this.
> 
> As Sky have a contract (and are being paid!) to do this for ITV they won't
> allow the customer to override ITVs instructions.

Understandable I guess - do you think if I tell them where I really live 
they'll make an exception ?  :)