7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
even tell.  


The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
 consciously.
She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.

How can you despise this?

Keep it!
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"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
> even tell.
>
>
> The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
> consciously.
> She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
>
> How can you despise this?
>
> Keep it!

So where's the review?

In article <7CJok.30008$Xm4.27526@newsfe13.ams2>,
Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>
>"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
>news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
>> even tell.
>>
>>
>> The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
>> consciously.
>> She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
>>
>> How can you despise this?
>>
>> Keep it!
>
>So where's the review?
>
>

Cheek.
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"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
news:g7vpih$467$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <7CJok.30008$Xm4.27526@newsfe13.ams2>,
> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
>>> even tell.
>>>
>>>
>>> The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
>>> consciously.
>>> She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
>>>
>>> How can you despise this?
>>>
>>> Keep it!
>>
>>So where's the review?
>>
>>
>
> Cheek.

Review: an essay or article that gives a critical evaluation (as of a book 
or play). You managed to write 7 sentences. Most of them don't even make any 
sense.

"Aliens looking like humans and you cannot even tell." What? You can't tell 
that the aliens look like humans?

You've not described the plot, the acting, the direction, etc. And you've 
not critically evaluated it. I gather you liked it, but I don't know why.

I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when 
Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> 
>  "The Doctor"  wrote in message 
>  news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> > 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
> > even tell.
> >
> >
> > The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
> > consciously.
> > She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
> >
> > How can you despise this?
> >
> > Keep it!
> 
>  So where's the review?

I think we could all learn something from the "keep it/burn it" summary.
Never mind marks out of ten, binary scoring is the way forwards.

-- 
Remove caps to communicate more easily.

"I would be a brilliant director." - Agamemnon

In article <jXJok.30236$Xm4.25586@newsfe13.ams2>,
Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>
>"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
>news:g7vpih$467$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <7CJok.30008$Xm4.27526@newsfe13.ams2>,
>> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>>>
>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
>>>> even tell.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
>>>> consciously.
>>>> She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
>>>>
>>>> How can you despise this?
>>>>
>>>> Keep it!
>>>
>>>So where's the review?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Cheek.
>
>Review: an essay or article that gives a critical evaluation (as of a book 
>or play). You managed to write 7 sentences. Most of them don't even make any 
>sense.
>
>"Aliens looking like humans and you cannot even tell." What? You can't tell 
>that the aliens look like humans?
>
>You've not described the plot, the acting, the direction, etc. And you've 
>not critically evaluated it. I gather you liked it, but I don't know why.
>
>

Because it was action, not sex!
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In article ,
The Face of Po   wrote:
>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when 
>Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>> 
>>  "The Doctor"  wrote in message 
>>  news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> > 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
>> > even tell.
>> >
>> >
>> > The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
>> > consciously.
>> > She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
>> >
>> > How can you despise this?
>> >
>> > Keep it!
>> 
>>  So where's the review?
>
>I think we could all learn something from the "keep it/burn it" summary.
>Never mind marks out of ten, binary scoring is the way forwards.
>

0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
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Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
<g7vqbd$4f1$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor 
 had made a clean getaway:
>In article ,
>The Face of Po   wrote:
>>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>
>>>  "The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>  news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> > 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
>>> > even tell.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
>>> > consciously.
>>> > She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
>>> >
>>> > How can you despise this?
>>> >
>>> > Keep it!
>>>
>>>  So where's the review?
>>
>>I think we could all learn something from the "keep it/burn it" summary.
>>Never mind marks out of ten, binary scoring is the way forwards.
>>
>
>0 or 1 ?  no thank you.

Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary 
representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest 
message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to 
communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you 
are saying.

-- 
<p>sychotic <c>hicken
http://crass.on.ru/bin/upload/files/mp3/Trashmen-Surfin::Bird.mp3
Friends intervene on Friends.

I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when 
<p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
>  <g7vqbd$4f1$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor 
>   had made a clean getaway:
> >In article ,
> >The Face of Po   wrote:
> >>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
> >>Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> >>>
> >>>  "The Doctor"  wrote in message
> >>>  news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>> > 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
> >>> > even tell.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
> >>> > consciously.
> >>> > She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
> >>> >
> >>> > How can you despise this?
> >>> >
> >>> > Keep it!
> >>>
> >>>  So where's the review?
> >>
> >>I think we could all learn something from the "keep it/burn it" summary.
> >>Never mind marks out of ten, binary scoring is the way forwards.
> >
> >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
> 
>  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary 
>  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest 
>  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to 
>  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you 
>  are saying.

Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
decipher than mere encodings.

-- 
Remove caps to communicate more easily.

"I would be a brilliant director." - Agamemnon

On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
wrote:
> I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
> <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
> >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
> >   had made a clean getaway:
> > >In article ,
> > >The Face of Po   wrote:
> > >>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
> > >>Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>
> > >>>  "The Doctor"  wrote in message
> > >>>  news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> > >>> > 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
> > >>> > even tell.
>
> > >>> > The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
> > >>> > consciously.
> > >>> > She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
>
> > >>> > How can you despise this?
>
> > >>> > Keep it!
>
> > >>>  So where's the review?
>
> > >>I think we could all learn something from the "keep it/burn it" summary.
> > >>Never mind marks out of ten, binary scoring is the way forwards.
>
> > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
>
> >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
> >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
> >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
> >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
> >  are saying.
>
> Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
> decipher than mere encodings.
>
> --
> Remove caps to communicate more easily.
>
> "I would be a brilliant director." - Agamemnon
> - Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
and feel even worse than he would normally.

I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.

Incidentally I am not at home as I post this so I am using my Google
account instead of my psychotic chicken account.

--
<p>sychotic <c>hicken

I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when 
Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>  wrote:
> > I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
> > <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> >
> > >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
> > >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
> > >   had made a clean getaway:
[...]
> >
> > > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
> >
> > >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
> > >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
> > >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
> > >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
> > >  are saying.
> >
> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
> > decipher than mere encodings.
> 
>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>  and feel even worse than he would normally.

Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.

The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and respond
to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The resulting
threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so he's
interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for the
moment, mine).

But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?" A
genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument going that long.

>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>  Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.

This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a post.
Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect, showing
varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never succeeding.  (You
mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know what you would do
better next time?)

I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than all
the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.

-- 
Remove caps to communicate more easily.

Happiness will prevail

On 15 Aug, 13:49, The Face of Po 
wrote:
> I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
> Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
> >  wrote:
> > > I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
> > > <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>
> > > > Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
> > > > <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
> > > >  had made a clean getaway:
> [...]
>
> > > > >0 or 1 ? no thank you.
>
> > > > Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
> > > > representations of the ASCII letters. Of course even the simplest
> > > > message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth. But it is one way to
> > > > communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
> > > > are saying.
>
> > > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
> > > decipher than mere encodings.
>
> >  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
> >  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
> >  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
> >  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
> >  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
> >  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
> >  and feel even worse than he would normally.
>
> Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
> view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
> talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
> provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
> ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.

I'm not a newcomer, and I still find it astonishing - he never says or
does anything that's worth the attention; even his efforts at racism
and homophobia are tame by Usenet standards, rather giving me the
impression that he parrots this stuff without really understanding
what it means or that it's intended as offensive by the people he
copies from. As for hatred, I can't understand how anyone could get
worked up enough by something said by strangers on the internet to
invest emotion in it.

> But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
> up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
> he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
> shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
> religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
> are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
> than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
> refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
> round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
> answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?"

Why would anyone even ask? I've been ignoring Yads since I got here -
not for any particular reason, he's just never said anything coherent
that warrants a response, and unlike Aggy his incoherent gibberish
isn't even funny. The only reason I've ever had to register his
existence is the irritation when his groupies (and mainly Top Poster)
change thread titles in their perpetual Yads love-ins.

Phil

In article ,
Bill Jillians   wrote:
>On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>wrote:
>> I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>> <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>> >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
>> >   had made a clean getaway:
>> > >In article ,
>> > >The Face of Po   wrote:
>> > >>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>> > >>Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>
>> > >>>  "The Doctor"  wrote in message
>> > >>>  news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> > >>> > 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
>> > >>> > even tell.
>>
>> > >>> > The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
>> > >>> > consciously.
>> > >>> > She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she is 'dead'.
>>
>> > >>> > How can you despise this?
>>
>> > >>> > Keep it!
>>
>> > >>>  So where's the review?
>>
>> > >>I think we could all learn something from the "keep it/burn it" summary.
>> > >>Never mind marks out of ten, binary scoring is the way forwards.
>>
>> > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
>>
>> >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
>> >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
>> >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
>> >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
>> >  are saying.
>>
>> Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>> decipher than mere encodings.
>>
>> --
>> Remove caps to communicate more easily.
>>
>> "I would be a brilliant director." - Agamemnon
>> - Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
>Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>and feel even worse than he would normally.
>
>I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>
>Incidentally I am not at home as I post this so I am using my Google
>account instead of my psychotic chicken account.
>

I have to put up with long days and gouging landlords.
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In article ,
The Face of Po   wrote:
>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when 
>Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>>  wrote:
>> > I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>> > <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>> >
>> > >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>> > >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
>> > >   had made a clean getaway:
>[...]
>> >
>> > > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
>> >
>> > >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
>> > >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
>> > >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
>> > >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
>> > >  are saying.
>> >
>> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>> > decipher than mere encodings.
>> 
>>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>>  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>>  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>>  and feel even worse than he would normally.
>
>Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
>view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
>talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
>provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
>ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.
>
>The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
>make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
>content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
>because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and respond
>to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The resulting
>threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so he's
>interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for the
>moment, mine).
>
>But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
>up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
>he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
>shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
>religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
>are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
>than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
>refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
>round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
>answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?" A
>genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument going that long.
>
>>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>>  Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>
>This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a post.
>Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect, showing
>varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never succeeding.  (You
>mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know what you would do
>better next time?)
>
>I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
>well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
>bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than all
>the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.
>
>-- 
>Remove caps to communicate more easily.
>
>Happiness will prevail

Welcome to years of being online.
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God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!  
USA petition for dissolution of your nation!

Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
, it appeared The Face of Po 
 had made a clean getaway:
>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>>  wrote:
>> > I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>> > <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>> >
>> > >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>> > >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
>> > >   had made a clean getaway:
>[...]
>> >
>> > > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
>> >
>> > >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
>> > >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
>> > >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
>> > >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
>> > >  are saying.
>> >
>> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>> > decipher than mere encodings.
>>
>>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>>  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>>  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>>  and feel even worse than he would normally.
>
>Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
>view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
>talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
>provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
>ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.

I agree. Such hatred against someone who appears to not be all there I 
have always found sickening.  Of course there is some doubt as you 
mention if this is really the case in which case  things are even more 
complex.

I suppose the clincher is that Yads is not a particularly sympathetic 
person who seems intent on his own concerns almost to the exclusion of 
everyone else.

However for AUK to make a mockery of him like they have beggars belief 
in this day and age.  I was outraged at their actions last month both 
for Yads sake and for a friend of mine in ASH that won the Bobo.  I 
would very much like to find a few similarly minded people who would be 
interested in giving AUK a taste of their own medicine for this. 
Clearly not many will be interested.  I came off second best against 
them about 6 years ago acting by myself.
>
>The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
>make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
>content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
>because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and respond
>to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The resulting
>threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so he's
>interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for the
>moment, mine).

I agree.  I believe he is basically competitive but in the sense of 
making the most posts that he can regardless of content.  Perhaps if 
some other way to engage his competitiveness could be found Yads might 
have a better time of things
>
>But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
>up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
>he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
>shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
>religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
>are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
>than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
>refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
>round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
>answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?" A
>genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument going that long.

You would have thought other people would have become accustomed to his 
disability.  That seems to be what happens in RL anyway.

>
>>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>>  Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>
>This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a post.
>Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect, showing
>varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never succeeding.  (You
>mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know what you would do
>better next time?)

I honestly don't know.  One idea is to successfully outpost him.  I have 
posted 850 articles in ASH over the past 2 weeks and all of them make 
sense (I don't pretend it has made me popular though).  Perhaps if 
somebody could beat Yads at his own game AND make sense at the same time 
he might have a reason to see some sense.

This is just a thought and at the time of writing I am only considering 
it as a possibility.

>
>I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
>well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
>bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than all
>the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.
>

If that is true then the joke is certainly on us.  But only somebody who 
is very strange to start with would even think of trying something like 
that.

-- 
<p>sychotic <c>hicken
http://crass.on.ru/bin/upload/files/mp3/Trashmen-Surfin::Bird.mp3
Friends intervene on Friends.
Work in Progress: uk.media.sf.tv.drwho

Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
<g8436u$jk$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor 
 had made a clean getaway:
>In article ,
>Bill Jillians   wrote:
>>On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>>wrote:
>>> I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>> <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>>> >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
>>> >   had made a clean getaway:
>>> > >In article ,
>>> > >The Face of Po   wrote:
>>> > >>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>> > >>Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>
>>> > >>>  "The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>> > >>>  news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> > >>> > 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
>>> > >>> > even tell.
>>>
>>> > >>> > The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
>>> > >>> > consciously.
>>> > >>> > She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she 
>>> > >>> >'dead'.
>>>
>>> > >>> > How can you despise this?
>>>
>>> > >>> > Keep it!
>>>
>>> > >>>  So where's the review?
>>>
>>> > >>I think we could all learn something from the "keep it/burn it" summary.
>>> > >>Never mind marks out of ten, binary scoring is the way forwards.
>>>
>>> > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
>>>
>>> >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
>>> >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
>>> >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
>>> >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
>>> >  are saying.
>>>
>>> Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>>> decipher than mere encodings.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Remove caps to communicate more easily.
>>>
>>> "I would be a brilliant director." - Agamemnon
>>> - Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>>Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>>communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>>success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>>most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>>Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>>that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>>and feel even worse than he would normally.
>>
>>I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>>Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>>actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>>would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>>
>>Incidentally I am not at home as I post this so I am using my Google
>>account instead of my psychotic chicken account.
>>
>
>I have to put up with long days and gouging landlords.

Good sentence Yads.  I guess the Dr. Who newsgroups are how you escape 
... eh?

-- 
<p>sychotic <c>hicken
http://crass.on.ru/bin/upload/files/mp3/Trashmen-Surfin::Bird.mp3
Friends intervene on Friends.
Work in Progress: uk.media.sf.tv.drwho

I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when 
<p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
>  , it appeared The Face of Po 
>   had made a clean getaway:
> >I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
> >Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
> >>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
> >>  wrote:
[...]
> >> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
> >> > decipher than mere encodings.
> >>
> >>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
> >>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
> >>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
> >>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
> >>  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
> >>  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
> >>  and feel even worse than he would normally.
> >
> >Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
> >view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
> >talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
> >provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
> >ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.
> 
>  I agree. Such hatred against someone who appears to not be all there I 
>  have always found sickening.  Of course there is some doubt as you 
>  mention if this is really the case in which case  things are even more 
>  complex.
> 
>  I suppose the clincher is that Yads is not a particularly sympathetic 
>  person who seems intent on his own concerns almost to the exclusion of 
>  everyone else.
> 
>  However for AUK to make a mockery of him like they have beggars belief 
>  in this day and age.  I was outraged at their actions last month both 
>  for Yads sake and for a friend of mine in ASH that won the Bobo.  I 
>  would very much like to find a few similarly minded people who would be 
>  interested in giving AUK a taste of their own medicine for this. 
>  Clearly not many will be interested.  I came off second best against 
>  them about 6 years ago acting by myself.

Not sure what you have in mind by "a taste of their own medicine".  I
see it as not to be taken seriously, so I'm willing to go along with the
silliness (though ASH sounds like it's beyond my comfort zone for that,
and I note from AUK's FAQ that they don't in general go picking on
people in support groups).  You have, I assume, observed that they even
have awards for people who complain a lot, or run their own competing
awards lists?

> >The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
> >make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
> >content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
> >because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and respond
> >to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The resulting
> >threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so he's
> >interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for the
> >moment, mine).
> 
>  I agree.  I believe he is basically competitive but in the sense of 
>  making the most posts that he can regardless of content.  Perhaps if 
>  some other way to engage his competitiveness could be found Yads might 
>  have a better time of things

I'm not sure that "competition" is going to improve the quality of
anybody's posts that much.  There used to be an annual RADW set of
awards (before my time), with a higher proportion of "good" awards than
AUK's, such as "most humourous poster" and "person you'd most like to
meet over a cold beer" - but the one Yads had the most chance of winning
was the one named after him (for net.cluelessness).

> >But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
> >up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
> >he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
> >shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
> >religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
> >are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
> >than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
> >refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
> >round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
> >answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?" A
> >genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument going that long.
> 
>  You would have thought other people would have become accustomed to his 
>  disability.  That seems to be what happens in RL anyway.

It can be very difficult to pick up whether there *is* a disability
through the medium of text.  A more plausible reaction would be to think
he's a newbie - learned not to top-post, not yet learned how to snip or
avoid obvious trolls.

> >>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
> >>  Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
> >>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
> >>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
> >
> >This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a post.
> >Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect, showing
> >varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never succeeding.  (You
> >mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know what you would do
> >better next time?)
> 
>  I honestly don't know.  One idea is to successfully outpost him.  I have 
>  posted 850 articles in ASH over the past 2 weeks and all of them make 
>  sense (I don't pretend it has made me popular though).  Perhaps if 
>  somebody could beat Yads at his own game AND make sense at the same time 
>  he might have a reason to see some sense.

Someone did that - "Top Poster".  He lived up to his nym by both
top-posting his replies, and becoming the most prolific poster (he
replied to every one of Yads' posts, and a few more).  His efforts got
him a place on the same AUK awards list as your friend in ASH.  Now he's
disappeared (maybe Yads tossed him off again), Yads is the "top poster"
once more, with no obvious change.

>  This is just a thought and at the time of writing I am only considering 
>  it as a possibility.

You, too, could win the Golden Killfile for your work ;-)

> >I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
> >well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
> >bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than all
> >the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.
> 
>  If that is true then the joke is certainly on us.  But only somebody who 
>  is very strange to start with would even think of trying something like 
>  that.

He's demonstrated that he's aware of not being held in the highest
regard by everyone, and sometimes he appears to be going along with the
joke good-naturedly.  This doesn't prevent him from being a Usenet
Performance Artist, of course.

-- 
Remove caps to communicate more easily.

Happiness will prevail

In article ,
  wrote:
>Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
>, it appeared The Face of Po 
> had made a clean getaway:
>>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>>>  wrote:
>>> > I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>> > <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>> >
>>> > >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>>> > >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
>>> > >   had made a clean getaway:
>>[...]
>>> >
>>> > > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
>>> >
>>> > >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
>>> > >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
>>> > >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
>>> > >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
>>> > >  are saying.
>>> >
>>> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>>> > decipher than mere encodings.
>>>
>>>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>>>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>>>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>>>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>>>  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>>>  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>>>  and feel even worse than he would normally.
>>
>>Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
>>view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
>>talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
>>provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
>>ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.
>
>I agree. Such hatred against someone who appears to not be all there I 
>have always found sickening.  Of course there is some doubt as you 
>mention if this is really the case in which case  things are even more 
>complex.
>
>I suppose the clincher is that Yads is not a particularly sympathetic 
>person who seems intent on his own concerns almost to the exclusion of 
>everyone else.
>
>However for AUK to make a mockery of him like they have beggars belief 
>in this day and age.  I was outraged at their actions last month both 
>for Yads sake and for a friend of mine in ASH that won the Bobo.  I 
>would very much like to find a few similarly minded people who would be 
>interested in giving AUK a taste of their own medicine for this. 
>Clearly not many will be interested.  I came off second best against 
>them about 6 years ago acting by myself.
>>
>>The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
>>make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
>>content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
>>because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and respond
>>to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The resulting
>>threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so he's
>>interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for the
>>moment, mine).
>
>I agree.  I believe he is basically competitive but in the sense of 
>making the most posts that he can regardless of content.  Perhaps if 
>some other way to engage his competitiveness could be found Yads might 
>have a better time of things
>>
>>But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
>>up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
>>he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
>>shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
>>religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
>>are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
>>than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
>>refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
>>round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
>>answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?" A
>>genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument going that long.
>
>You would have thought other people would have become accustomed to his 
>disability.  That seems to be what happens in RL anyway.
>
>>
>>>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>>>  Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>>>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>>>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>>
>>This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a post.
>>Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect, showing
>>varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never succeeding.  (You
>>mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know what you would do
>>better next time?)
>
>I honestly don't know.  One idea is to successfully outpost him.  I have 
>posted 850 articles in ASH over the past 2 weeks and all of them make 
>sense (I don't pretend it has made me popular though).  Perhaps if 
>somebody could beat Yads at his own game AND make sense at the same time 
>he might have a reason to see some sense.
>
>This is just a thought and at the time of writing I am only considering 
>it as a possibility.
>
>>
>>I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
>>well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
>>bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than all
>>the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.
>>
>
>If that is true then the joke is certainly on us.  But only somebody who 
>is very strange to start with would even think of trying something like 
>that.
>

Too many paradoxes for one day.
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In article <zTM$BeFbaapIFx0f@blueyonder.co.uk>,
  wrote:
>Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
><g8436u$jk$5@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor 
> had made a clean getaway:
>>In article ,
>>Bill Jillians   wrote:
>>>On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>>>wrote:
>>>> I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>>> <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>>>> >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
>>>> >   had made a clean getaway:
>>>> > >In article ,
>>>> > >The Face of Po   wrote:
>>>> > >>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>>> > >>Stephen Wilson got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>>
>>>> > >>>  "The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>> > >>>  news:g7uiut$suo$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>> > >>> > 7/10 .  Loved this one.  Aliens looking like humans and you cannot
>>>> > >>> > even tell.
>>>>
>>>> > >>> > The black girl able to defend herself from attackers not knowing why
>>>> > >>> > consciously.
>>>> > >>> > She is part of a plot.  The other aliens activate when she 
>>>> > >>> >'dead'.
>>>>
>>>> > >>> > How can you despise this?
>>>>
>>>> > >>> > Keep it!
>>>>
>>>> > >>>  So where's the review?
>>>>
>>>> > >>I think we could all learn something from the "keep it/burn it" summary.
>>>> > >>Never mind marks out of ten, binary scoring is the way forwards.
>>>>
>>>> > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
>>>>
>>>> >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
>>>> >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
>>>> >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
>>>> >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to know what you
>>>> >  are saying.
>>>>
>>>> Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>>>> decipher than mere encodings.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Remove caps to communicate more easily.
>>>>
>>>> "I would be a brilliant director." - Agamemnon
>>>> - Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>
>>>Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>>>communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>>>success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>>>most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>>>Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>>>that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>>>and feel even worse than he would normally.
>>>
>>>I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>>>Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>>>actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>>>would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>>>
>>>Incidentally I am not at home as I post this so I am using my Google
>>>account instead of my psychotic chicken account.
>>>
>>
>>I have to put up with long days and gouging landlords.
>
>Good sentence Yads.  I guess the Dr. Who newsgroups are how you escape 
>... eh?
>

Sometimes.
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In article ,
The Face of Po   wrote:
>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when 
><p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
>>  , it appeared The Face of Po 
>>   had made a clean getaway:
>> >I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>> >Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>> >>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>> >>  wrote:
>[...]
>> >> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>> >> > decipher than mere encodings.
>> >>
>> >>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>> >>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>> >>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>> >>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>> >>  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>> >>  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>> >>  and feel even worse than he would normally.
>> >
>> >Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
>> >view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
>> >talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
>> >provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
>> >ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.
>> 
>>  I agree. Such hatred against someone who appears to not be all there I 
>>  have always found sickening.  Of course there is some doubt as you 
>>  mention if this is really the case in which case  things are even more 
>>  complex.
>> 
>>  I suppose the clincher is that Yads is not a particularly sympathetic 
>>  person who seems intent on his own concerns almost to the exclusion of 
>>  everyone else.
>> 
>>  However for AUK to make a mockery of him like they have beggars belief 
>>  in this day and age.  I was outraged at their actions last month both 
>>  for Yads sake and for a friend of mine in ASH that won the Bobo.  I 
>>  would very much like to find a few similarly minded people who would be 
>>  interested in giving AUK a taste of their own medicine for this. 
>>  Clearly not many will be interested.  I came off second best against 
>>  them about 6 years ago acting by myself.
>
>Not sure what you have in mind by "a taste of their own medicine".  I
>see it as not to be taken seriously, so I'm willing to go along with the
>silliness (though ASH sounds like it's beyond my comfort zone for that,
>and I note from AUK's FAQ that they don't in general go picking on
>people in support groups).  You have, I assume, observed that they even
>have awards for people who complain a lot, or run their own competing
>awards lists?
>
>> >The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
>> >make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
>> >content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
>> >because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and respond
>> >to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The resulting
>> >threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so he's
>> >interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for the
>> >moment, mine).
>> 
>>  I agree.  I believe he is basically competitive but in the sense of 
>>  making the most posts that he can regardless of content.  Perhaps if 
>>  some other way to engage his competitiveness could be found Yads might 
>>  have a better time of things
>
>I'm not sure that "competition" is going to improve the quality of
>anybody's posts that much.  There used to be an annual RADW set of
>awards (before my time), with a higher proportion of "good" awards than
>AUK's, such as "most humourous poster" and "person you'd most like to
>meet over a cold beer" - but the one Yads had the most chance of winning
>was the one named after him (for net.cluelessness).
>
>> >But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
>> >up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
>> >he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
>> >shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
>> >religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
>> >are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
>> >than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
>> >refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
>> >round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
>> >answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?" A
>> >genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument going that long.
>> 
>>  You would have thought other people would have become accustomed to his 
>>  disability.  That seems to be what happens in RL anyway.
>
>It can be very difficult to pick up whether there *is* a disability
>through the medium of text.  A more plausible reaction would be to think
>he's a newbie - learned not to top-post, not yet learned how to snip or
>avoid obvious trolls.
>
>> >>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>> >>  Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>> >>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>> >>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>> >
>> >This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a post.
>> >Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect, showing
>> >varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never succeeding.  (You
>> >mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know what you would do
>> >better next time?)
>> 
>>  I honestly don't know.  One idea is to successfully outpost him.  I have 
>>  posted 850 articles in ASH over the past 2 weeks and all of them make 
>>  sense (I don't pretend it has made me popular though).  Perhaps if 
>>  somebody could beat Yads at his own game AND make sense at the same time 
>>  he might have a reason to see some sense.
>
>Someone did that - "Top Poster".  He lived up to his nym by both
>top-posting his replies, and becoming the most prolific poster (he
>replied to every one of Yads' posts, and a few more).  His efforts got
>him a place on the same AUK awards list as your friend in ASH.  Now he's
>disappeared (maybe Yads tossed him off again), Yads is the "top poster"
>once more, with no obvious change.
>
>>  This is just a thought and at the time of writing I am only considering 
>>  it as a possibility.
>
>You, too, could win the Golden Killfile for your work ;-)
>
>> >I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
>> >well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
>> >bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than all
>> >the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.
>> 
>>  If that is true then the joke is certainly on us.  But only somebody who 
>>  is very strange to start with would even think of trying something like 
>>  that.
>
>He's demonstrated that he's aware of not being held in the highest
>regard by everyone, and sometimes he appears to be going along with the
>joke good-naturedly.  This doesn't prevent him from being a Usenet
>Performance Artist, of course.
>

As you like it.
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Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
, it appeared The Face of Po 
 had made a clean getaway:
>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
><p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>>  , it appeared The Face of Po
>>   had made a clean getaway:
>> >I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>> >Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>> >>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>> >>  wrote:
>[...]
>> >> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>> >> > decipher than mere encodings.
>> >>
>> >>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>> >>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>> >>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>> >>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>> >>  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>> >>  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>> >>  and feel even worse than he would normally.
>> >
>> >Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
>> >view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
>> >talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
>> >provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
>> >ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.
>>
>>  I agree. Such hatred against someone who appears to not be all there I
>>  have always found sickening.  Of course there is some doubt as you
>>  mention if this is really the case in which case  things are even more
>>  complex.
>>
>>  I suppose the clincher is that Yads is not a particularly sympathetic
>>  person who seems intent on his own concerns almost to the exclusion of
>>  everyone else.
>>
>>  However for AUK to make a mockery of him like they have beggars belief
>>  in this day and age.  I was outraged at their actions last month both
>>  for Yads sake and for a friend of mine in ASH that won the Bobo.  I
>>  would very much like to find a few similarly minded people who would be
>>  interested in giving AUK a taste of their own medicine for this.
>>  Clearly not many will be interested.  I came off second best against
>>  them about 6 years ago acting by myself.
>
>Not sure what you have in mind by "a taste of their own medicine".  I
>see it as not to be taken seriously, so I'm willing to go along with the
>silliness (though ASH sounds like it's beyond my comfort zone for that,
>and I note from AUK's FAQ that they don't in general go picking on
>people in support groups).  You have, I assume, observed that they even
>have awards for people who complain a lot, or run their own competing
>awards lists?

Well I'm not sure about that.  I suppose they think that people in 
support groups are vulnerable.  Doesn't stop them picking on vulnerable 
people in other places Yads is a perfect example of that.

There is a wannabe AUKer in ASH that has harassed people in ASH beyond 
belief.  If AUK stands by this man ... and it seems they do, then they 
can expect no sympathy from me.


>
>> >The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
>> >make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
>> >content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
>> >because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and respond
>> >to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The resulting
>> >threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so he's
>> >interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for the
>> >moment, mine).
>>
>>  I agree.  I believe he is basically competitive but in the sense of
>>  making the most posts that he can regardless of content.  Perhaps if
>>  some other way to engage his competitiveness could be found Yads might
>>  have a better time of things
>
>I'm not sure that "competition" is going to improve the quality of
>anybody's posts that much.  There used to be an annual RADW set of
>awards (before my time), with a higher proportion of "good" awards than
>AUK's, such as "most humourous poster" and "person you'd most like to
>meet over a cold beer" - but the one Yads had the most chance of winning
>was the one named after him (for net.cluelessness).

Such things happen.  If yads is judged by his peers in the newsgroup so 
be it.  If yads is judged by strangers intent on malice to anyone that 
gets in their way then they can expect me to get in their way.

>
>> >But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
>> >up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
>> >he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
>> >shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
>> >religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
>> >are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
>> >than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
>> >refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
>> >round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
>> >answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?" A
>> >genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument going that long.
>>
>>  You would have thought other people would have become accustomed to his
>>  disability.  That seems to be what happens in RL anyway.
>
>It can be very difficult to pick up whether there *is* a disability
>through the medium of text.  A more plausible reaction would be to think
>he's a newbie - learned not to top-post, not yet learned how to snip or
>avoid obvious trolls.
>

I imagine Yads can learn these things.  I believe Yads needs some 
nurturing rather than out and out oppression to help him see sense.

>> >>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>> >>  Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>> >>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>> >>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>> >
>> >This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a post.
>> >Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect, showing
>> >varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never succeeding.  (You
>> >mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know what you would do
>> >better next time?)
>>
>>  I honestly don't know.  One idea is to successfully outpost him.  I have
>>  posted 850 articles in ASH over the past 2 weeks and all of them make
>>  sense (I don't pretend it has made me popular though).  Perhaps if
>>  somebody could beat Yads at his own game AND make sense at the same time
>>  he might have a reason to see some sense.
>
>Someone did that - "Top Poster".  He lived up to his nym by both
>top-posting his replies, and becoming the most prolific poster (he
>replied to every one of Yads' posts, and a few more).  His efforts got
>him a place on the same AUK awards list as your friend in ASH.  Now he's
>disappeared (maybe Yads tossed him off again), Yads is the "top poster"
>once more, with no obvious change.

Thanks for the recent history lesson.  Obviously there is a fine line.

>
>>  This is just a thought and at the time of writing I am only considering
>>  it as a possibility.
>
>You, too, could win the Golden Killfile for your work ;-)

Then the honour would be all mine :)

>
>> >I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
>> >well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
>> >bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than all
>> >the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.
>>
>>  If that is true then the joke is certainly on us.  But only somebody who
>>  is very strange to start with would even think of trying something like
>>  that.
>
>He's demonstrated that he's aware of not being held in the highest
>regard by everyone, and sometimes he appears to be going along with the
>joke good-naturedly.  This doesn't prevent him from being a Usenet
>Performance Artist, of course.
>

Well I for one enjoy the rich efforts of such people and shall widen the 
debate to alt.troll as well as AUK and ASH where this discussion has 
relevance.

I apologise if this is perceived as trolling per se.

-- 
<p>sychotic <c>hicken
http://crass.on.ru/bin/upload/files/mp3/Trashmen-Surfin::Bird.mp3
Friends intervene on Friends.
Work in Progress: uk.media.sf.tv.drwho

Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
<g84rc3$jah$2@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor 
 had made a clean getaway:
>In article ,
>  wrote:
>>Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>>, it appeared The Face of Po
>> had made a clean getaway:
>>>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>>Bill Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> > I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when
>>>> > <p>sychotic <c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>> >
>>>> > >  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>>>> > >  <g7vqbd$4f...@gallifrey.nk.ca>, it appeared The Doctor
>>>> > >   had made a clean getaway:
>>>[...]
>>>> >
>>>> > > >0 or 1 ?  no thank you.
>>>> >
>>>> > >  Did you know you can post messages on USENET using binary
>>>> > >  representations of the ASCII letters.  Of course even the simplest
>>>> > >  message takes up an awful lot of bandwidth.  But it is one way to
>>>> > >  communicate if you don't want your average USENET dweeb to 
>>>> > >know what you
>>>> > >  are saying.
>>>> >
>>>> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more difficult to
>>>> > decipher than mere encodings.
>>>>
>>>>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>>>>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>>>>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>>>>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability that
>>>>  Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other people)
>>>>  that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and made to look
>>>>  and feel even worse than he would normally.
>>>
>>>Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's the
>>>view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just wants to
>>>talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he writes, and
>>>provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of hatred and
>>>ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.
>>
>>I agree. Such hatred against someone who appears to not be all there I
>>have always found sickening.  Of course there is some doubt as you
>>mention if this is really the case in which case  things are even more
>>complex.
>>
>>I suppose the clincher is that Yads is not a particularly sympathetic
>>person who seems intent on his own concerns almost to the exclusion of
>>everyone else.
>>
>>However for AUK to make a mockery of him like they have beggars belief
>>in this day and age.  I was outraged at their actions last month both
>>for Yads sake and for a friend of mine in ASH that won the Bobo.  I
>>would very much like to find a few similarly minded people who would be
>>interested in giving AUK a taste of their own medicine for this.
>>Clearly not many will be interested.  I came off second best against
>>them about 6 years ago acting by myself.
>>>
>>>The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
>>>make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
>>>content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
>>>because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and respond
>>>to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The resulting
>>>threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so he's
>>>interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for the
>>>moment, mine).
>>
>>I agree.  I believe he is basically competitive but in the sense of
>>making the most posts that he can regardless of content.  Perhaps if
>>some other way to engage his competitiveness could be found Yads might
>>have a better time of things
>>>
>>>But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually builds
>>>up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such as when
>>>he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or when he
>>>shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to politics,
>>>religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under the sun,
>>>are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters; but rather
>>>than developing like other discussions, his cryptic one-liners and
>>>refusal to answer straight questions mean that the threads usually go
>>>round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you still haven't
>>>answered the question/what the fuck are you talking about *now*?" A
>>>genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument going that long.
>>
>>You would have thought other people would have become accustomed to his
>>disability.  That seems to be what happens in RL anyway.
>>
>>>
>>>>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange for
>>>>  Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>>>>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>>>>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.
>>>
>>>This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a post.
>>>Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect, showing
>>>varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never succeeding.  (You
>>>mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know what you would do
>>>better next time?)
>>
>>I honestly don't know.  One idea is to successfully outpost him.  I have
>>posted 850 articles in ASH over the past 2 weeks and all of them make
>>sense (I don't pretend it has made me popular though).  Perhaps if
>>somebody could beat Yads at his own game AND make sense at the same time
>>he might have a reason to see some sense.
>>
>>This is just a thought and at the time of writing I am only considering
>>it as a possibility.
>>
>>>
>>>I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
>>>well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
>>>bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than all
>>>the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.
>>>
>>
>>If that is true then the joke is certainly on us.  But only somebody who
>>is very strange to start with would even think of trying something like
>>that.
>>
>
>Too many paradoxes for one day.

Sorry Yads .... dealing with paradoxes would be fun for someone who 
likes Dr. Who I would have thought?

-- 
<p>sychotic <c>hicken
http://crass.on.ru/bin/upload/files/mp3/Trashmen-Surfin::Bird.mp3
Friends intervene on Friends.
Work in Progress: uk.media.sf.tv.drwho

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:46:17 +0100, <p>sychotic <c>hicken wrote these
lies, denials, arrogant assertions, erroneous presuppositions, and/or
obfuscations:
> Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
> , it appeared The Face of Po
> had made a clean getaway:
>>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when <p>sychotic
>><c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>>>  , it appeared The Face of Po
>>>   had made a clean getaway:
>>> >I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when Bill
>>> >Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>> >>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po
>>> >>   wrote:
>>[...]
>>> >> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more
>>> >> > difficult to decipher than mere encodings.
>>> >>
>>> >>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>>> >>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>>> >>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>>> >>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability
>>> >>  that Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other
>>> >>  people) that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and
>>> >>  made to look and feel even worse than he would normally.
>>> >
>>> >Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's
>>> >the view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just
>>> >wants to talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he
>>> >writes, and provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of
>>> >hatred and ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.
>>>
>>>  I agree. Such hatred against someone who appears to not be all there I
>>>  have always found sickening.  Of course there is some doubt as you
>>>  mention if this is really the case in which case  things are even more
>>>  complex.
>>>
>>>  I suppose the clincher is that Yads is not a particularly sympathetic
>>>  person who seems intent on his own concerns almost to the exclusion of
>>>  everyone else.
>>>
>>>  However for AUK to make a mockery of him like they have beggars belief
>>>  in this day and age.  I was outraged at their actions last month both
>>>  for Yads sake and for a friend of mine in ASH that won the Bobo.  I
>>>  would very much like to find a few similarly minded people who would
>>>  be interested in giving AUK a taste of their own medicine for this.
>>>  Clearly not many will be interested.  I came off second best against
>>>  them about 6 years ago acting by myself.

Hmmm, 2002, eh?

>>Not sure what you have in mind by "a taste of their own medicine".  I see
>>it as not to be taken seriously, so I'm willing to go along with the
>>silliness (though ASH sounds like it's beyond my comfort zone for that,
>>and I note from AUK's FAQ that they don't in general go picking on people
>>in support groups).  You have, I assume, observed that they even have
>>awards for people who complain a lot, or run their own competing awards
>>lists?
> 
> Well I'm not sure about that. I suppose they think that people in support
> groups are vulnerable. Doesn't stop them picking on vulnerable people in
> other places Yads is a perfect example of that.

Yads is not vulnerable. Not even close.

> There is a wannabe AUKer in ASH that has harassed people in ASH beyond
> belief. If AUK stands by this man ... and it seems they do, then they can
> expect no sympathy from me.

I think you should have more respect for your owner. He only wants the
recognition for you which you deserve.

>>> >The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
>>> >make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
>>> >content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
>>> >because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and
>>> >respond to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The
>>> >resulting threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so
>>> >he's interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for
>>> >the moment, mine).
>>>
>>>  I agree.  I believe he is basically competitive but in the sense of
>>>  making the most posts that he can regardless of content.  Perhaps if
>>>  some other way to engage his competitiveness could be found Yads might
>>>  have a better time of things
>>
>>I'm not sure that "competition" is going to improve the quality of
>>anybody's posts that much.  There used to be an annual RADW set of awards
>>(before my time), with a higher proportion of "good" awards than AUK's,
>>such as "most humourous poster" and "person you'd most like to meet over
>>a cold beer" - but the one Yads had the most chance of winning was the
>>one named after him (for net.cluelessness).
> 
> Such things happen. If yads is judged by his peers in the newsgroup so be
> it. If yads is judged by strangers intent on malice to anyone that gets
> in their way then they can expect me to get in their way.

I may reasonably be counted one of Yads' "peers", and know him to be a
monumentally clueless fuckwit. Furthermore, Yads regularly ventures into
many other newsgroups, where he is often just as loathed/killfiled/smacked
around. Additionally, he participated in the Kook Awards, and managed to
fuck up twice over, first by sending me a ballot (I'm not the FNVW, so
there was no point in that anyway, even if he accepted emailed ballots),
then by voting against himself in every category where he was nominated.
He has no right whatsoever to expect special treatment. If you wanna play,
you gotta pay.

>>> >But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually
>>> >builds up that he can be surprisingly disruptive and unpleasant - such
>>> >as when he tells us what he thinks should be done to homosexuals, or
>>> >when he shouts "troll" like a stuck record.  His approaches to
>>> >politics, religion, sexuality, technology, and any other subject under
>>> >the sun, are no more barking than those of a lot of usenet nutters;
>>> >but rather than developing like other discussions, his cryptic
>>> >one-liners and refusal to answer straight questions mean that the
>>> >threads usually go round in circles for weeks and degenerate into "you
>>> >still haven't answered the question/what the fuck are you talking
>>> >about *now*?" A genuine fool wouldn't be able to keep the argument
>>> >going that long.
>>>
>>>  You would have thought other people would have become accustomed to
>>>  his disability.  That seems to be what happens in RL anyway.

Oddly enough, that might be because "usenet" != "real life". Or resemble
it. They are not remotely similar, and no one IRL ever says "LOL!" unless
they're taking the piss.

>>It can be very difficult to pick up whether there *is* a disability
>>through the medium of text.  A more plausible reaction would be to think
>>he's a newbie - learned not to top-post, not yet learned how to snip or
>>avoid obvious trolls.
> 
> I imagine Yads can learn these things.  I believe Yads needs some
> nurturing rather than out and out oppression to help him see sense.

Pleace to be explaining how "winning kook awards" = "oppression". TIA!

>>> >>  I don't imagine life is easy for Yads.  However if I could arrange
>>> >>  for Yads to get a chance of showing those morons in AUK that he is
>>> >>  actually better than them (and I don't doubt that he is) then that
>>> >>  would be a more than satisfactory outcome to this venture.

If you can prove he is better than teh kookologists, feel free to go ahead
and do it.

>>> >This would require Yads to spend more than ten seconds composing a
>>> >post. Many people have tried to change his ways in this respect,
>>> >showing varying amounts of patience or exasperation, but never
>>> >succeeding.  (You mention that you've tried it yourself - do you know
>>> >what you would do better next time?)
>>>
>>>  I honestly don't know.  One idea is to successfully outpost him.  I
>>>  have posted 850 articles in ASH over the past 2 weeks and all of them
>>>  make sense (I don't pretend it has made me popular though).  Perhaps
>>>  if somebody could beat Yads at his own game AND make sense at the same
>>>  time he might have a reason to see some sense.
>>
>>Someone did that - "Top Poster".  He lived up to his nym by both
>>top-posting his replies, and becoming the most prolific poster (he
>>replied to every one of Yads' posts, and a few more).  His efforts got
>>him a place on the same AUK awards list as your friend in ASH.  Now he's
>>disappeared (maybe Yads tossed him off again), Yads is the "top poster"
>>once more, with no obvious change.
> 
> Thanks for the recent history lesson.  Obviously there is a fine line.

No kidding.

>>>  This is just a thought and at the time of writing I am only
>>>  considering it as a possibility.
>>
>>You, too, could win the Golden Killfile for your work ;-)
> 
> Then the honour would be all mine :)

IIRC, the "honour" may already have been yours -- if not for the GK, then
for another. Depends on whether you used to spell your name "Neal", I
think. Or "Flux", or "MarsRules", or Lisa Agnes Gardner. THE Cast Iron
Bitch? "Neil Horlock" rings no bells with Kookpedia's archives. Maybe you
just got spanked really hard.

>>> >I've heard stories that offline, he's able to communicate perfectly
>>> >well, which makes me more inclined to think that the "harmless idiot"
>>> >bit is an act.  Which means that Yads already knows he's better than
>>> >all the people attacking him, and the joke's on us.
>>>
>>>  If that is true then the joke is certainly on us.  But only somebody
>>>  who is very strange to start with would even think of trying something
>>>  like that.
>>
>>He's demonstrated that he's aware of not being held in the highest regard
>>by everyone, and sometimes he appears to be going along with the joke
>>good-naturedly.  This doesn't prevent him from being a Usenet Performance
>>Artist, of course.
> 
> Well I for one enjoy the rich efforts of such people and shall widen the
> debate to alt.troll as well as AUK and ASH where this discussion has
> relevance.
> 
> I apologise if this is perceived as trolling per se.

I don't.

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Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding 
<pan.2008.08.17.12.38.07.531284@jm.ck.poee.kothask.dsocpl.eothidiautp.hcn
b.ggghd.bcb.cem.fi>, it appeared Snarky <popesnarky@caballista.organ> 
had made a clean getaway:
>On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:46:17 +0100, <p>sychotic <c>hicken wrote these
>lies, denials, arrogant assertions, erroneous presuppositions, and/or
>obfuscations:
>> Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>> , it appeared The Face of Po
>> had made a clean getaway:
>>>I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when <p>sychotic
>>><c>hicken got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>>  Lurching erratically into the sunlight holding
>>>>  , it appeared The Face of Po
>>>>   had made a clean getaway:
>>>> >I was hanging out with the cool kids in rec.arts.drwho when Bill
>>>> >Jillians got out a spraycan and scrawled the following:
>>>> >>  On 15 Aug, 08:09, The Face of Po
>>>> >>   wrote:
>>>[...]
>>>> >> > Yads has developed ways of communicating that are far more
>>>> >> > difficult to decipher than mere encodings.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>  Thank you for telling me that.  I have tried various ways of
>>>> >>  communicating with Yads in the past .... with varying degrees of
>>>> >>  success.  I'll be honest.  I don't know what would help Yads the
>>>> >>  most.  However since this is more in the nature of a disability
>>>> >>  that Yads has it really sickens me (and I'm sure a lot of other
>>>> >>  people) that Yads has been paraded for the amusement of AUK and
>>>> >>  made to look and feel even worse than he would normally.
>>>> >
>>>> >Popular opinion on why Yads writes like he does is divided.  There's
>>>> >the view that he's a well-meaning but socially awkward guy who just
>>>> >wants to talk about Doctor Who - which explains most of what he
>>>> >writes, and provokes some sympathy.  To a newcomer, the amount of
>>>> >hatred and ridicule directed at him can be astonishing.
>>>>
>>>>  I agree. Such hatred against someone who appears to not be all there I
>>>>  have always found sickening.  Of course there is some doubt as you
>>>>  mention if this is really the case in which case  things are even more
>>>>  complex.
>>>>
>>>>  I suppose the clincher is that Yads is not a particularly sympathetic
>>>>  person who seems intent on his own concerns almost to the exclusion of
>>>>  everyone else.
>>>>
>>>>  However for AUK to make a mockery of him like they have beggars belief
>>>>  in this day and age.  I was outraged at their actions last month both
>>>>  for Yads sake and for a friend of mine in ASH that won the Bobo.  I
>>>>  would very much like to find a few similarly minded people who would
>>>>  be interested in giving AUK a taste of their own medicine for this.
>>>>  Clearly not many will be interested.  I came off second best against
>>>>  them about 6 years ago acting by myself.
>
>Hmmm, 2002, eh?
>
>>>Not sure what you have in mind by "a taste of their own medicine".  I see
>>>it as not to be taken seriously, so I'm willing to go along with the
>>>silliness (though ASH sounds like it's beyond my comfort zone for that,
>>>and I note from AUK's FAQ that they don't in general go picking on people
>>>in support groups).  You have, I assume, observed that they even have
>>>awards for people who complain a lot, or run their own competing awards
>>>lists?
>>
>> Well I'm not sure about that. I suppose they think that people in support
>> groups are vulnerable. Doesn't stop them picking on vulnerable people in
>> other places Yads is a perfect example of that.
>
>Yads is not vulnerable. Not even close.
>
>> There is a wannabe AUKer in ASH that has harassed people in ASH beyond
>> belief. If AUK stands by this man ... and it seems they do, then they can
>> expect no sympathy from me.
>
>I think you should have more respect for your owner. He only wants the
>recognition for you which you deserve.
>
>>>> >The theory to which I currently subscribe is that he's still aiming to
>>>> >make more posts than any other user - no matter how low quality their
>>>> >content.  He just *doesn't care* that they make very little sense,
>>>> >because there'll still be people attempting to decipher them and
>>>> >respond to them, so he doesn't need to make any more effort.  The
>>>> >resulting threads, though frustrating, can be wonderfully surreal, so
>>>> >he's interesting enough to stay out of many killfiles (including, for
>>>> >the moment, mine).
>>>>
>>>>  I agree.  I believe he is basically competitive but in the sense of
>>>>  making the most posts that he can regardless of content.  Perhaps if
>>>>  some other way to engage his competitiveness could be found Yads might
>>>>  have a better time of things
>>>
>>>I'm not sure that "competition" is going to improve the quality of
>>>anybody's posts that much.  There used to be an annual RADW set of awards
>>>(before my time), with a higher proportion of "good" awards than AUK's,
>>>such as "most humourous poster" and "person you'd most like to meet over
>>>a cold beer" - but the one Yads had the most chance of winning was the
>>>one named after him (for net.cluelessness).
>>
>> Such things happen. If yads is judged by his peers in the newsgroup so be
>> it. If yads is judged by strangers intent on malice to anyone that gets
>> in their way then they can expect me to get in their way.
>
>I may reasonably be counted one of Yads' "peers", and know him to be a
>monumentally clueless fuckwit. Furthermore, Yads regularly ventures into
>many other newsgroups, where he is often just as loathed/killfiled/smacked
>around. Additionally, he participated in the Kook Awards, and managed to
>fuck up twice over, first by sending me a ballot (I'm not the FNVW, so
>there was no point in that anyway, even if he accepted emailed ballots),
>then by voting against himself in every category where he was nominated.
>He has no right whatsoever to expect special treatment. If you wanna play,
>you gotta pay.
>
>>>> >But after hanging round for months/years, the picture eventually
>>>> >