On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:57:22 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article , Dave Cross 
>  wrote:
>>On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:48:42 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>  wrote:
>>>>On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:25:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:21:13 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:42:48 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:27:10 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:04:42 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:04:24 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:31:28 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jHMbk.197024$Ek2.96836@newsfe17.ams2>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:g4o1a1$3tc$26@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <YyKbk.234120$M63.102413@newsfe13.ams2>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:g4nqvj$3tc$4@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And evil doesn't need to be explained. It's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people being people. Some people just choose to act
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>outside of cultural norms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrational argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's not an argument, it's a statement. And there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nothing irrational about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil does not need to be explained?  Cop Out!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your explanation is the cop out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but ignoring evil gives it the power to be bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No-one said anything about ignoring evil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In my opinion, evil should be countered whenever possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It doesn't matter whether it was caused by psychological
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>factors or a mythical beast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explain the  psychological factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No. For one thing, I'm not a psychologist. And for another,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Really, what practical difference does it make to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyday life where evil comes from? Evil is evil. We just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to deal with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And its root causes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I think we'll have far more success fighting its real
>>>>>>>>>>>>root causes (psychological, sociological or whatever) than we
>>>>>>>>>>>>would fighting a mythical devil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And what are the real root causes?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Read what I wrote.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> You have not answered the question.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm not a psychologist, a sociologist or any other kind of
>>>>>>>>scientist who specialises in this area or human behaviour. I've
>>>>>>>>answered in as much detail as I intend to. If you want any more
>>>>>>>>details then read a book.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Including Freud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think you'll find that Freud is a psychiatrist, not a
>>>>>>psychologist. But, yes, his books would certainly be a better place
>>>>>>to start than the bible :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think Jung has rather a lot to say on this too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And maybe the Communist Manifesto.
>>>>
>>>>Well, perhaps. But, to be honest, I doubt it. It's been a while since
>>>>I read it, but from what I remember it is more about society as a
>>>>whole than individuals.
>>>>
>>>>But, by all means, read what you like. Anything has got to be an
>>>>improvement on your current state of education :)
>>> 
>>> I prefer the Christian Manfesto!
>>
>>It's not about what you prefer. It's about being widely read in order to
>>increase your knowledge. I'd expect any reasonably intelligent person to
>>have read both the Communist Manifesto and the bible. I'd further expect
>>them to be able to point out the flaws in both.
>>
> There is a difference between increase and sabotage.

Are you trying to suggest that reading the Communist Manifesto will 
convert someone to thinking like a communist? Wow, that's some powerful 
writing.

I have to confess that reading it didn't have that effect on me. But that 
might be because I read Mein Kampf immediately afterwards. Perhaps they 
cancelled each other out and left me unchanged :)

Dave...

In article ,
Dave Cross   wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:44:24 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article , Dave Cross 
>>  wrote:
>>>On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:57:22 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:48:42 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:25:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:21:13 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:42:48 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:27:10 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:04:42 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:04:24 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cross  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:31:28 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jHMbk.197024$Ek2.96836@newsfe17.ams2>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:g4o1a1$3tc$26@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <YyKbk.234120$M63.102413@newsfe13.ams2>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>message news:g4nqvj$3tc$4@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And evil doesn't need to be explained. It's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people being people. Some people just choose to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>act outside of cultural norms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrational argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's not an argument, it's a statement. And there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nothing irrational about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil does not need to be explained?  Cop Out!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your explanation is the cop out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but ignoring evil gives it the power to be bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No-one said anything about ignoring evil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In my opinion, evil should be countered whenever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>possible. It doesn't matter whether it was caused by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>psychological factors or a mythical beast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explain the  psychological factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No. For one thing, I'm not a psychologist. And for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>another, it doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Really, what practical difference does it make to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyday life where evil comes from? Evil is evil. We just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to deal with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And its root causes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I think we'll have far more success fighting its real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>root causes (psychological, sociological or whatever) than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>we would fighting a mythical devil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what are the real root causes?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Read what I wrote.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have not answered the question.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not a psychologist, a sociologist or any other kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>scientist who specialises in this area or human behaviour. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>answered in as much detail as I intend to. If you want any more
>>>>>>>>>>>details then read a book.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Including Freud.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I think you'll find that Freud is a psychiatrist, not a
>>>>>>>>>psychologist. But, yes, his books would certainly be a better
>>>>>>>>>place to start than the bible :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I think Jung has rather a lot to say on this too.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And maybe the Communist Manifesto.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, perhaps. But, to be honest, I doubt it. It's been a while
>>>>>>>since I read it, but from what I remember it is more about society
>>>>>>>as a whole than individuals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But, by all means, read what you like. Anything has got to be an
>>>>>>>improvement on your current state of education :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I prefer the Christian Manfesto!
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not about what you prefer. It's about being widely read in order
>>>>>to increase your knowledge. I'd expect any reasonably intelligent
>>>>>person to have read both the Communist Manifesto and the bible. I'd
>>>>>further expect them to be able to point out the flaws in both.
>>>>>
>>>> There is a difference between increase and sabotage.
>>>
>>>Are you trying to suggest that reading the Communist Manifesto will
>>>convert someone to thinking like a communist? Wow, that's some powerful
>>>writing.
>>>
>>>I have to confess that reading it didn't have that effect on me. But
>>>that might be because I read Mein Kampf immediately afterwards. Perhaps
>>>they cancelled each other out and left me unchanged :)
>> 
>> Nein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto puts man in place on God.
>
>Please proof-read what you've written before sending it. You've made what 
>looks like a typo in this one. I assume you meant "...puts man in place 
>_of_ god".
>
>And how much do you know about those two works? Do you know what they 
>say? Have you read them?
>
>See, as I said before, reading something doesn't necessarily mean that 
>you agree with it. You can read something so that you can find out where 
>you disagree with it. but reading things you think you won't agree with 
>it good. It gives you a more rounded perspective on the world. Something 
>that you are sorely lacking.
>
>Dave...

No error that time.
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