On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:25:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article , Dave Cross 
>  wrote:
>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:21:13 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>  wrote:
>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:42:48 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:27:10 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:04:42 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:04:24 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:31:28 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jHMbk.197024$Ek2.96836@newsfe17.ams2>, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:g4o1a1$3tc$26@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <YyKbk.234120$M63.102413@newsfe13.ams2>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:g4nqvj$3tc$4@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And evil doesn't need to be explained. It's just people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>being people. Some people just choose to act outside of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cultural norms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrational argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's not an argument, it's a statement. And there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nothing irrational about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil does not need to be explained?  Cop Out!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your explanation is the cop out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but ignoring evil gives it the power to be bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>No-one said anything about ignoring evil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>In my opinion, evil should be countered whenever possible. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>doesn't matter whether it was caused by psychological factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>or a mythical beast.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Explain the  psychological factors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>No. For one thing, I'm not a psychologist. And for another, it
>>>>>>>>>>doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Really, what practical difference does it make to your everyday
>>>>>>>>>>life where evil comes from? Evil is evil. We just need to deal
>>>>>>>>>>with it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And its root causes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, I think we'll have far more success fighting its real root
>>>>>>>>causes (psychological, sociological or whatever) than we would
>>>>>>>>fighting a mythical devil.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And what are the real root causes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Read what I wrote.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You have not answered the question.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not a psychologist, a sociologist or any other kind of scientist
>>>>who specialises in this area or human behaviour. I've answered in as
>>>>much detail as I intend to. If you want any more details then read a
>>>>book.
>>>>
>>> Including Freud.
>>
>>I think you'll find that Freud is a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.
>>But, yes, his books would certainly be a better place to start than the
>>bible :)
>>
>>I think Jung has rather a lot to say on this too.
> 
> And maybe the Communist Manifesto.

Well, perhaps. But, to be honest, I doubt it. It's been a while since I 
read it, but from what I remember it is more about society as a whole 
than individuals.

But, by all means, read what you like. Anything has got to be an 
improvement on your current state of education :)

Dave...

In article ,
Dave Cross   wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:48:42 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article , Dave Cross 
>>  wrote:
>>>On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:25:51 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:21:13 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:42:48 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:27:10 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:04:42 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 14:04:24 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 05 Jul 2008 17:31:28 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <jHMbk.197024$Ek2.96836@newsfe17.ams2>, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:g4o1a1$3tc$26@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <YyKbk.234120$M63.102413@newsfe13.ams2>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:g4nqvj$3tc$4@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And evil doesn't need to be explained. It's just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people being people. Some people just choose to act
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>outside of cultural norms.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Irrational argument.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's not an argument, it's a statement. And there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nothing irrational about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil does not need to be explained?  Cop Out!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your explanation is the cop out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but ignoring evil gives it the power to be bad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No-one said anything about ignoring evil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In my opinion, evil should be countered whenever possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It doesn't matter whether it was caused by psychological
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>factors or a mythical beast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Explain the  psychological factors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>No. For one thing, I'm not a psychologist. And for another, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>doesn't matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Really, what practical difference does it make to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyday life where evil comes from? Evil is evil. We just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to deal with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> And its root causes?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Well, I think we'll have far more success fighting its real root
>>>>>>>>>>>causes (psychological, sociological or whatever) than we would
>>>>>>>>>>>fighting a mythical devil.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And what are the real root causes?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Read what I wrote.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> You have not answered the question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm not a psychologist, a sociologist or any other kind of scientist
>>>>>>>who specialises in this area or human behaviour. I've answered in as
>>>>>>>much detail as I intend to. If you want any more details then read a
>>>>>>>book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Including Freud.
>>>>>
>>>>>I think you'll find that Freud is a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.
>>>>>But, yes, his books would certainly be a better place to start than
>>>>>the bible :)
>>>>>
>>>>>I think Jung has rather a lot to say on this too.
>>>> 
>>>> And maybe the Communist Manifesto.
>>>
>>>Well, perhaps. But, to be honest, I doubt it. It's been a while since I
>>>read it, but from what I remember it is more about society as a whole
>>>than individuals.
>>>
>>>But, by all means, read what you like. Anything has got to be an
>>>improvement on your current state of education :)
>> 
>> I prefer the Christian Manfesto!
>
>It's not about what you prefer. It's about being widely read in order to 
>increase your knowledge. I'd expect any reasonably intelligent person to 
>have read both the Communist Manifesto and the bible. I'd further expect 
>them to be able to point out the flaws in both.
>

There is a difference between increase and sabotage.
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In article <KB5dk.229506$NN3.69310@newsfe08.ams2>,
Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>
>"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
>news:g511ta$ice$7@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>
>>>>>I think Jung has rather a lot to say on this too.
>>>>
>>>> And maybe the Communist Manifesto.
>>>
>>>Well, perhaps. But, to be honest, I doubt it. It's been a while since I
>>>read it, but from what I remember it is more about society as a whole
>>>than individuals.
>>>
>>>But, by all means, read what you like. Anything has got to be an
>>>improvement on your current state of education :)
>>>
>>>Dave...
>>
>> I prefer the Christian Manfesto!
>
>How do you know? You've never read anything else. By the way, what do you 
>think the Chrisitan Manifesto is? For that matter, what do you think a 
>manifesto is?
>
>

You mean election manifestoes are not available on internet?
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"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
news:g53m9d$r5r$6@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <KB5dk.229506$NN3.69310@newsfe08.ams2>,
> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>news:g511ta$ice$7@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think Jung has rather a lot to say on this too.
>>>>>
>>>>> And maybe the Communist Manifesto.
>>>>
>>>>Well, perhaps. But, to be honest, I doubt it. It's been a while since I
>>>>read it, but from what I remember it is more about society as a whole
>>>>than individuals.
>>>>
>>>>But, by all means, read what you like. Anything has got to be an
>>>>improvement on your current state of education :)
>>>>
>>>>Dave...
>>>
>>> I prefer the Christian Manfesto!
>>
>>How do you know? You've never read anything else. By the way, what do you
>>think the Chrisitan Manifesto is? For that matter, what do you think a
>>manifesto is?
>>
>>
>
> You mean election manifestoes are not available on internet?

No, I don't mean that. What makes you think I did?