On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, The Doctor wrote:

>>> Only by  faith and faith alone you believe
>>> Jesus is the sacrafice that freed you from sin!
>>
>> Then you are a Paulist.
>
> I am no Paulist.  Get that right.

If you really do believe the above, as written by you, then yes, you are a 
Paulist.

I dare you, better yet I demand from you, a statement by Jesus, as written 
in any version of the new testament you see fit, that says the above.  I 
contend, with 100% certianty, that every time such a statement was made, 
it was by Paul (Saul of Tarsus).  I contend that Jesus himself never once 
made such a statement.  Accept this challange, and respond with bible 
verse, or you admit you are a Paulist.

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The Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, The Doctor wrote:
>
>>> I dare you, better yet I demand from you, a statement by Jesus, as written
>>> in any version of the new testament you see fit, that says the above.  I
>>> contend, with 100% certianty, that every time such a statement was made,
>>> it was by Paul (Saul of Tarsus).  I contend that Jesus himself never once
>>> made such a statement.  Accept this challange, and respond with bible
>>> verse, or you admit you are a Paulist.
>>
>> Indicating to me you believe a false doctrine on Christianity.
>
>You therefore admit that Jesus never once said that he is the sacrafice 
>that will free us from the law of Moses.
>

The Sacrifice of Jesus was to break Satan's hold on mankind.

>You therefore admit that Jesus never once said that salvation is based on 
>faith and faith alone.
>

He did in the 4 Gosepls.  His own words.

>You therefore admit that these statements were made by Paul, Saul of 
>Tarsus.

No!

>
>I say that Jesus never once said those things.  To prove me wrong, all you 
>must do is find a single instance where he did.  You admit that you 
>cannot, and yet still insist that you do not follow Paul above Jesus.
>
>Until you can provide even one passage, this debate is over.

You are on!

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The Doctor wrote:

>>
> 
> The Sacrifice of Jesus was to break Satan's hold on mankind.
> 

Did it work? If so, that means God is responsible for all the bad over 
the last 2000 years doesn't it?

If it DIDN'T work then he died in vain.

Which is it?

"Bad Wilf"  wrote in message 
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> The Doctor wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> The Sacrifice of Jesus was to break Satan's hold on mankind.
>>
>
> Did it work? If so, that means God is responsible for all the bad over the 
> last 2000 years doesn't it?
>
> If it DIDN'T work then he died in vain.
>
> Which is it?

Did people go to Heaven before Jesus was born?

Do people go to Hell now?

So exactly what was the idea of this ultimate sacrifice? And if he came back 
to life again, it was hardly much of a sacrifice!

Go read your book of fairy tales

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"The Doctor"  wrote in message
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> In article ,
> The Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> >On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >>> I dare you, better yet I demand from you, a statement by Jesus, as
written
> >>> in any version of the new testament you see fit, that says the above.
I
> >>> contend, with 100% certianty, that every time such a statement was
made,
> >>> it was by Paul (Saul of Tarsus).  I contend that Jesus himself never
once
> >>> made such a statement.  Accept this challange, and respond with bible
> >>> verse, or you admit you are a Paulist.
> >>
> >> Indicating to me you believe a false doctrine on Christianity.
> >
> >You therefore admit that Jesus never once said that he is the sacrafice
> >that will free us from the law of Moses.
> >
>
> The Sacrifice of Jesus was to break Satan's hold on mankind.
>
> >You therefore admit that Jesus never once said that salvation is based on
> >faith and faith alone.
> >
>
> He did in the 4 Gosepls.  His own words.
>
> >You therefore admit that these statements were made by Paul, Saul of
> >Tarsus.
>
> No!
>
> >
> >I say that Jesus never once said those things.  To prove me wrong, all
you
> >must do is find a single instance where he did.  You admit that you
> >cannot, and yet still insist that you do not follow Paul above Jesus.
> >
> >Until you can provide even one passage, this debate is over.
>
> You are on!
>
> -- 
> Member - Liberal International
> This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
> USA petition for dissolution of your nation!