On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:22:29 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article , Dave Cross 
>  wrote:
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:01:16 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>  wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:01:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:16:19 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:02:31 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <LUt9k.83146$8H5.9778@newsfe10.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:g45ic1$dhi$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So no, it's not only communists who say religious people are
>>>>>>>>>>>>brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thus are those who lives in lies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So why don't you stop living one then?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christianity is Truth, not Paulianity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How would you know? You've demonstrated that you know nothing
>>>>>>>>about christianity. All you know is "paulianity".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Christianity is based on the teachings of Christs, not hijack of
>>>>>>> agenda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Christianity is based on the teaching of Jesus as interpreted by
>>>>>>Paul. To claim otherwise is to demonstrate shocking ignorance of the
>>>>>>history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Really Yads, if you don't want to read a book about it, at least ask
>>>>>>someone else. Ask your priest. I'm sure he (or she) will confirm
>>>>>>what we've been telling you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Luke wrote Acts, not Paul.
>>>>
>>>>Well, someone claiming to be Luke wrote Acts. But it was written from
>>>>a Pauline perspective. Which is why the Pauline church chose it to be
>>>>part of the canon.
>>> 
>>> What about Luke wrting to Theophilis?
>>
>>What about it?
>>
>>Luke was writing a version of the story which was influenced by Paul's
>>interpretation of what Jesus said and did. Why is this so hard for you
>>to understand?
> 
> Luke was with Christ and not influenced by PAul.

I didn't say he was influenced by Paul. I said he wrote from the Pauline 
perspective. Here's how it works...

Jesus lives, preaches and dies. Many people think what he said and did 
was important so they write down their interpretation of his life. A 
number of different interpretations are created. A small church grows up 
around these writings. People in the church argue about which of the 
interpretations is the right one. One of these factions wins and promotes 
gospels which back up their interpretation. Other gospels that don't 
follow the part line are suppressed.

So Luke wasn't necessarily influenced by Paul. He just wrote things that 
Paul agreed with. And when the early Pauline church were deciding on 
their canon, Luke's writings were included. Others weren't.

Is that clearer?

Dave...

In article ,
Dave Cross   wrote:
>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 22:16:28 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article , Dave Cross 
>>  wrote:
>>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:22:29 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:01:16 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:01:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:16:19 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:02:31 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <LUt9k.83146$8H5.9778@newsfe10.ams2>, Stephen
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:g45ic1$dhi$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So no, it's not only communists who say religious people are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thus are those who lives in lies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>So why don't you stop living one then?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is Truth, not Paulianity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How would you know? You've demonstrated that you know nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>about christianity. All you know is "paulianity".
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Christianity is based on the teachings of Christs, not hijack of
>>>>>>>>>> agenda.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Christianity is based on the teaching of Jesus as interpreted by
>>>>>>>>>Paul. To claim otherwise is to demonstrate shocking ignorance of
>>>>>>>>>the history.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Really Yads, if you don't want to read a book about it, at least
>>>>>>>>>ask someone else. Ask your priest. I'm sure he (or she) will
>>>>>>>>>confirm what we've been telling you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Luke wrote Acts, not Paul.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, someone claiming to be Luke wrote Acts. But it was written
>>>>>>>from a Pauline perspective. Which is why the Pauline church chose it
>>>>>>>to be part of the canon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What about Luke wrting to Theophilis?
>>>>>
>>>>>What about it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Luke was writing a version of the story which was influenced by Paul's
>>>>>interpretation of what Jesus said and did. Why is this so hard for you
>>>>>to understand?
>>>> 
>>>> Luke was with Christ and not influenced by PAul.
>>>
>>>I didn't say he was influenced by Paul. I said he wrote from the Pauline
>>>perspective. Here's how it works...
>>>
>>>Jesus lives, preaches and dies. Many people think what he said and did
>>>was important so they write down their interpretation of his life. A
>>>number of different interpretations are created. A small church grows up
>>>around these writings. People in the church argue about which of the
>>>interpretations is the right one. One of these factions wins and
>>>promotes gospels which back up their interpretation. Other gospels that
>>>don't follow the part line are suppressed.
>>>
>>>So Luke wasn't necessarily influenced by Paul. He just wrote things that
>>>Paul agreed with. And when the early Pauline church were deciding on
>>>their canon, Luke's writings were included. Others weren't.
>>>
>>>Is that clearer?
>> 
>> NO! Are you telling me that Matthew, MArk , Luke and John wrote from a
>> 'Paul' perspective?
>
>Exactly. You're finally starting to get it.
>
>The books and letters that make up the new testament were chosen by the 
>Pauline church. And they were chosen because they reflect a Pauline 
>perspective. The (many) other gospels and letters around at the time 
>weren't chosen because they had other interpretations of the message of 
>Jesus.
>
>Dave...

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