On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Stephen Wilson wrote:

> Where did this idea of the trinity come from anyway? Certainly not the
> Bible. That teaches that there is one God. No verse in the Bible claims that
> God is three persons. No verse claims he's a trinity.

If memory serves me correctly, it's from the 325 CE First Council of 
Nicaea.  Many of the "truths" the modern day Paulists hold about their 
religion were legislated.  Before then, there were factions that said 
Jesus was a man, that he was divine but not God himself, etc.  To put 
forward a united vision, major aspects were voted upon, including the 
Trunity.

In article ,
The Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> PAul did not write Revelations.
>
>He IS the one that wrote Jesus was the sacrificial lamb that freed 
>us from the law of Moses.
>
>He IS the one that wrote salvation is based on faith and faith alone, that 
>Jesus is the lord and savior.
>
>Jesus said neither one of these things.  Jesus said to be saved, you help 
>the poor, give to the needy.  Jesus said you follow the commandments.
>

And PAul did not witness the Crucifixion IIRC.
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> In article ,
> The Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> >On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, The Doctor wrote:
> >
> >> PAul did not write Revelations.
> >
> >He IS the one that wrote Jesus was the sacrificial lamb that freed
> >us from the law of Moses.
> >
> >He IS the one that wrote salvation is based on faith and faith alone,
that
> >Jesus is the lord and savior.
> >
> >Jesus said neither one of these things.  Jesus said to be saved, you help
> >the poor, give to the needy.  Jesus said you follow the commandments.
> >
>
> And PAul did not witness the Crucifixion IIRC.
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article ,
> The Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>
>>>PAul did not write Revelations.
>>
>>He IS the one that wrote Jesus was the sacrificial lamb that freed 
>>us from the law of Moses.
>>
>>He IS the one that wrote salvation is based on faith and faith alone, that 
>>Jesus is the lord and savior.
>>
>>Jesus said neither one of these things.  Jesus said to be saved, you help 
>>the poor, give to the needy.  Jesus said you follow the commandments.
>>
> 
> 
> And PAul did not witness the Crucifixion IIRC.

Crucifixions were 10 a penny.

In article <_cvak.102277$8H5.71537@newsfe10.ams2>,
mathis is innocent  <""> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article ,
>> The Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>> 
>>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Where did this idea of the trinity come from anyway? Certainly not the
>>>>Bible. That teaches that there is one God. No verse in the Bible claims that
>>>>God is three persons. No verse claims he's a trinity.
>>>
>>>If memory serves me correctly, it's from the 325 CE First Council of 
>>>Nicaea.  Many of the "truths" the modern day Paulists hold about their 
>>>religion were legislated.  Before then, there were factions that said 
>>>Jesus was a man, that he was divine but not God himself, etc.  To put 
>>>forward a united vision, major aspects were voted upon, including the 
>>>Trunity.
>> 
>> 
>> PAul did not write Revelations.
>
>Yes he did...
>
>
>http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revelations-Humberto-Ramos/dp/1593072392/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214938964&sr=1-2

Revelations / Apocalypse as written by John?
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No they are not

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should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


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> In article <_cvak.102277$8H5.71537@newsfe10.ams2>,
> mathis is innocent  <""> wrote:
> >The Doctor wrote:
> >> In article ,
> >> The Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Stephen Wilson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Where did this idea of the trinity come from anyway? Certainly not the
> >>>>Bible. That teaches that there is one God. No verse in the Bible
claims that
> >>>>God is three persons. No verse claims he's a trinity.
> >>>
> >>>If memory serves me correctly, it's from the 325 CE First Council of
> >>>Nicaea.  Many of the "truths" the modern day Paulists hold about their
> >>>religion were legislated.  Before then, there were factions that said
> >>>Jesus was a man, that he was divine but not God himself, etc.  To put
> >>>forward a united vision, major aspects were voted upon, including the
> >>>Trunity.
> >>
> >>
> >> PAul did not write Revelations.
> >
> >Yes he did...
> >
> >
>
>http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revelations-Humberto-Ramos/dp/1593072392/ref=sr_1_2
?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214938964&sr=1-2
>
> Revelations / Apocalypse as written by John?
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In article <3_Ldk.135076$ft1.27622@newsfe14.ams2>,
Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>
>"Roger Pearse"  wrote in message 
>news:69af8c6c-e1a2-4c48-95ae-d8da2ac079c6@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>On 1 Jul, 16:15, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
>wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>>> > Where did this idea of the trinity come from anyway? Certainly not the
>>> > Bible. That teaches that there is one God. No verse in the Bible claims 
>>> > that
>>> > God is three persons. No verse claims he's a trinity.
>>
>>On the other hand the bible very definitely says:
>>
>>1.  There is one God, the Father.
>>2.  Jesus is God (worshipped, prayed to, etc)
>>3.  Jesus is not the Father.
>>
>>From that, surely some formula like the Trinity is inevitable?
>
>People also worship Mary. And the Cross. Just because people worship 
>somebody (or something) doesn't make them (or it) God.
>
>So no, I don't see the trinity being anywhere near inevitable.
>
>
>>> Before then, there were factions that said Jesus was a man,
>>
>>Nope.  This particular idea has never been held by Christians.
>
>I know plenty of Christians who belive this today. Jews certainly believed 
>that their messiah would be human. And the early Christians were Jews.
>
>
>

Trinity, The Father (God, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.
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"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
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> In article <3_Ldk.135076$ft1.27622@newsfe14.ams2>,
> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>"Roger Pearse"  wrote in message
>>news:69af8c6c-e1a2-4c48-95ae-d8da2ac079c6@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>On 1 Jul, 16:15, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
>>wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Stephen Wilson wrote:
>>>> > Where did this idea of the trinity come from anyway? Certainly not 
>>>> > the
>>>> > Bible. That teaches that there is one God. No verse in the Bible 
>>>> > claims
>>>> > that
>>>> > God is three persons. No verse claims he's a trinity.
>>>
>>>On the other hand the bible very definitely says:
>>>
>>>1.  There is one God, the Father.
>>>2.  Jesus is God (worshipped, prayed to, etc)
>>>3.  Jesus is not the Father.
>>>
>>>From that, surely some formula like the Trinity is inevitable?
>>
>>People also worship Mary. And the Cross. Just because people worship
>>somebody (or something) doesn't make them (or it) God.
>>
>>So no, I don't see the trinity being anywhere near inevitable.
>>
>>
>>>> Before then, there were factions that said Jesus was a man,
>>>
>>>Nope.  This particular idea has never been held by Christians.
>>
>>I know plenty of Christians who belive this today. Jews certainly believed
>>that their messiah would be human. And the early Christians were Jews.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Trinity, The Father (God, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.

Your point being...?

LOL

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they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous


"The Doctor"  wrote in message
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> In article <3_Ldk.135076$ft1.27622@newsfe14.ams2>,
> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
> >
> >"Roger Pearse"  wrote in message
> >news:69af8c6c-e1a2-4c48-95ae-d8da2ac079c6@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >On 1 Jul, 16:15, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam>
> >wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Stephen Wilson wrote:
> >>> > Where did this idea of the trinity come from anyway? Certainly not
the
> >>> > Bible. That teaches that there is one God. No verse in the Bible
claims
> >>> > that
> >>> > God is three persons. No verse claims he's a trinity.
> >>
> >>On the other hand the bible very definitely says:
> >>
> >>1.  There is one God, the Father.
> >>2.  Jesus is God (worshipped, prayed to, etc)
> >>3.  Jesus is not the Father.
> >>
> >>From that, surely some formula like the Trinity is inevitable?
> >
> >People also worship Mary. And the Cross. Just because people worship
> >somebody (or something) doesn't make them (or it) God.
> >
> >So no, I don't see the trinity being anywhere near inevitable.
> >
> >
> >>> Before then, there were factions that said Jesus was a man,
> >>
> >>Nope.  This particular idea has never been held by Christians.
> >
> >I know plenty of Christians who belive this today. Jews certainly
believed
> >that their messiah would be human. And the early Christians were Jews.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Trinity, The Father (God, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.
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