On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:59:23 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article , Dave Cross 
>  wrote:
>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:02:38 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>  wrote:
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article , Andy Leighton
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>>>   	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met
>>>>>>>>him. And never even claimed that he did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>>>>>> persecute Christ's followers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and when
>>>>>>his eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the hand,
>>>>>>and brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when assembled
>>>>>>together) of it sounds like some kind of hallucination (you would
>>>>>>say vision) although he isn't very forthcoming about what was the
>>>>>>most important thing in his life (according to him and you).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Acts was written by Luke.
>>>>
>>>>Right, so it's (at best) a second-hand account of a hallucination.
>>>>Hardly the kind of thing to build a religion on really.
>>> 
>>> Hallucination that blinds you?
>>
>>If you say so. Still a hallucination though. Any other explanation would
>>just be ridiculous.
>>
> You are the one implying it.

I'm not implying anything. I'm plainly saying that Paul had a 
hallucination. He didn't really see what he claimed to see.

Dave...

In article <4Foak.144779$8k.102979@newsfe18.ams2>,
mathis is innocent  <""> wrote:
>Dave Cross wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:59:23 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>In article , Dave Cross 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:02:38 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article , Dave Cross
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article , Andy Leighton
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>>>>>  	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met
>>>>>>>>>>him. And never even claimed that he did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>>>>>>>>persecute Christ's followers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and when
>>>>>>>>his eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the hand,
>>>>>>>>and brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when assembled
>>>>>>>>together) of it sounds like some kind of hallucination (you would
>>>>>>>>say vision) although he isn't very forthcoming about what was the
>>>>>>>>most important thing in his life (according to him and you).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Acts was written by Luke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right, so it's (at best) a second-hand account of a hallucination.
>>>>>>Hardly the kind of thing to build a religion on really.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hallucination that blinds you?
>>>>
>>>>If you say so. Still a hallucination though. Any other explanation would
>>>>just be ridiculous.
>>>>
>>>
>>>You are the one implying it.
>> 
>> 
>> I'm not implying anything. I'm plainly saying that Paul had a 
>> hallucination. He didn't really see what he claimed to see.
>> 
>
>Or he simply lied.
>
>> Dave...

Luke wrote this, not Paul.
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <4Foak.144779$8k.102979@newsfe18.ams2>,
> mathis is innocent  <""> wrote:
> 
>>Dave Cross wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:59:23 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article , Dave Cross 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:02:38 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article , Andy Leighton
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>>>>>> 	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met
>>>>>>>>>>>him. And never even claimed that he did.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>>>>>>>>>persecute Christ's followers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and when
>>>>>>>>>his eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the hand,
>>>>>>>>>and brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when assembled
>>>>>>>>>together) of it sounds like some kind of hallucination (you would
>>>>>>>>>say vision) although he isn't very forthcoming about what was the
>>>>>>>>>most important thing in his life (according to him and you).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Acts was written by Luke.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Right, so it's (at best) a second-hand account of a hallucination.
>>>>>>>Hardly the kind of thing to build a religion on really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hallucination that blinds you?
>>>>>
>>>>>If you say so. Still a hallucination though. Any other explanation would
>>>>>just be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You are the one implying it.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm not implying anything. I'm plainly saying that Paul had a 
>>>hallucination. He didn't really see what he claimed to see.
>>>
>>
>>Or he simply lied.
>>
>>
>>>Dave...
> 
> 
> Luke wrote this, not Paul.

So we have the possibility that both Paul and 'Luke' lied.

In article ,
Dave Cross   wrote:
>On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 15:23:41 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article , Dave Cross 
>>  wrote:
>>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:59:23 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:02:38 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article , Andy Leighton
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>>>>>>   	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met
>>>>>>>>>>>him. And never even claimed that he did.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>>>>>>>>> persecute Christ's followers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and
>>>>>>>>>when his eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the
>>>>>>>>>hand, and brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when
>>>>>>>>>assembled together) of it sounds like some kind of hallucination
>>>>>>>>>(you would say vision) although he isn't very forthcoming about
>>>>>>>>>what was the most important thing in his life (according to him
>>>>>>>>>and you).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Acts was written by Luke.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Right, so it's (at best) a second-hand account of a hallucination.
>>>>>>>Hardly the kind of thing to build a religion on really.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hallucination that blinds you?
>>>>>
>>>>>If you say so. Still a hallucination though. Any other explanation
>>>>>would just be ridiculous.
>>>>>
>>>> You are the one implying it.
>>>
>>>I'm not implying anything. I'm plainly saying that Paul had a
>>>hallucination. He didn't really see what he claimed to see.
>> 
>> Am not doubt he did not see the stoning of Stephen.
>
>Writing random words is not a good way to progress a discussion.
>
>Dave...

ANd no doubt he did not see the stoning of Stephen.
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