On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article , Andy Leighton 
>  wrote:
>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>   	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>> In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>
>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met him.
>>>>And never even claimed that he did.
>>>
>>> Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>> persecute Christ's followers.
>>
>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and when his
>>eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the hand, and
>>brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when assembled together)
>>of it sounds like some kind of hallucination (you would say vision)
>>although he isn't very forthcoming about what was the most important
>>thing in his life (according to him and you).
> 
> Acts was written by Luke.

Right, so it's (at best) a second-hand account of a hallucination. Hardly 
the kind of thing to build a religion on really.

Dave...

In article ,
Dave Cross   wrote:
>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:02:38 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article , Dave Cross 
>>  wrote:
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article , Andy Leighton
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>>   	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>>>>> In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met him.
>>>>>>>And never even claimed that he did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>>>>> persecute Christ's followers.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and when
>>>>>his eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the hand, and
>>>>>brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when assembled together)
>>>>>of it sounds like some kind of hallucination (you would say vision)
>>>>>although he isn't very forthcoming about what was the most important
>>>>>thing in his life (according to him and you).
>>>> 
>>>> Acts was written by Luke.
>>>
>>>Right, so it's (at best) a second-hand account of a hallucination.
>>>Hardly the kind of thing to build a religion on really.
>> 
>> Hallucination that blinds you?
>
>If you say so. Still a hallucination though. Any other explanation would 
>just be ridiculous.
>

You are the one implying it.
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In article <hKdak.100427$312.61610@newsfe12.ams2>,
mathis is innocent  <""> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article ,
>> Dave Cross   wrote:
>> 
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article , Andy Leighton 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>>  	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met him.
>>>>>>>And never even claimed that he did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>>>>>persecute Christ's followers.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and when his
>>>>>eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the hand, and
>>>>>brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when assembled together)
>>>>>of it sounds like some kind of hallucination (you would say vision)
>>>>>although he isn't very forthcoming about what was the most important
>>>>>thing in his life (according to him and you).
>>>>
>>>>Acts was written by Luke.
>>>
>>>Right, so it's (at best)Â a second-hand account of a hallucination. Hardly 
>>>the kind of thing to build a religion on really.
>>>
>>>Dave...
>> 
>> 
>> Hallucination that blinds you?
>
>But did it blind Paul? He could have just said that it did. Where is the 
>proof?

REad Acts.
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The Doctor wrote:
> In article <hKdak.100427$312.61610@newsfe12.ams2>,
> mathis is innocent  <""> wrote:
> 
>>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>>In article ,
>>>Dave Cross   wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article , Andy Leighton 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>>> 	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met him.
>>>>>>>>And never even claimed that he did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>>>>>>persecute Christ's followers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and when his
>>>>>>eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the hand, and
>>>>>>brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when assembled together)
>>>>>>of it sounds like some kind of hallucination (you would say vision)
>>>>>>although he isn't very forthcoming about what was the most important
>>>>>>thing in his life (according to him and you).
>>>>>
>>>>>Acts was written by Luke.
>>>>
>>>>Right, so it's (at best)Â a second-hand account of a hallucination. Hardly 
>>>>the kind of thing to build a religion on really.
>>>>
>>>>Dave...
>>>
>>>
>>>Hallucination that blinds you?
>>
>>But did it blind Paul? He could have just said that it did. Where is the 
>>proof?
> 
> 
> REad Acts.

I have and that offers NO proof. Simply writing something doesn't make 
it true.

Dave Cross wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:59:23 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
> 
> 
>>In article , Dave Cross 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:02:38 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article , Dave Cross
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:34:34 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article , Andy Leighton
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:48:19 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>>>>  	       The Doctor  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In article <ztg9k.87702$zs1.19857@newsfe28.ams2>, Stephen Wilson
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Paul met Jesus on the Raod to Damascus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Try reading that again. Paul obsessed about Jesus. He never met
>>>>>>>>>him. And never even claimed that he did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Clearly states in Acts, Paul met him on the Road to Damascus to
>>>>>>>>persecute Christ's followers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is the Acts that reads "And Saul arose from the earth; and when
>>>>>>>his eyes were opened, he saw no man; but they led him by the hand,
>>>>>>>and brought him into Damascus"?  His own account (when assembled
>>>>>>>together) of it sounds like some kind of hallucination (you would
>>>>>>>say vision) although he isn't very forthcoming about what was the
>>>>>>>most important thing in his life (according to him and you).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Acts was written by Luke.
>>>>>
>>>>>Right, so it's (at best) a second-hand account of a hallucination.
>>>>>Hardly the kind of thing to build a religion on really.
>>>>
>>>>Hallucination that blinds you?
>>>
>>>If you say so. Still a hallucination though. Any other explanation would
>>>just be ridiculous.
>>>
>>
>>You are the one implying it.
> 
> 
> I'm not implying anything. I'm plainly saying that Paul had a 
> hallucination. He didn't really see what he claimed to see.
> 

Or he simply lied.

> Dave...