On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:19:35 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

> In article , Dave Cross 
>  wrote:
>>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:30:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article , The
>>> Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Dave Cross wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There are many other similar gospels. Many of them were considered
>>>>> for inclusion in the new testament - but were excluded because they
>>>>> didn't agree with the version of christianity that Paul promoted.
>>>>
>>>>Because modern Christianity doesn't follow Jesus at all, but rather
>>>>Paul's perversion of it.  Yads is no Christian, he is a Paulist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I follow Christ as In Matthew, MArk, Luke John and Acts!
>>
>>Which are books that were written to agree with Paul's view of Jesus.
> 
> None.

I wasn't asking a question. I was stating a fact.

You really need to read a good book about the early history of your 
religion. Did you know there was a battle for leadership between James 
(the brother of Jesus) and Paul?

Dave...

In article <QG99k.20821$ft1.2211@newsfe14.ams2>,
Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>
>"Dave Cross"  wrote in message 
>news:pan.2008.06.27.17.09.24@dave.org.uk...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:19:35 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>
>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>  wrote:
>>>>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:30:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article , The
>>>>> Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Dave Cross wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are many other similar gospels. Many of them were considered
>>>>>>> for inclusion in the new testament - but were excluded because they
>>>>>>> didn't agree with the version of christianity that Paul promoted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because modern Christianity doesn't follow Jesus at all, but rather
>>>>>>Paul's perversion of it.  Yads is no Christian, he is a Paulist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I follow Christ as In Matthew, MArk, Luke John and Acts!
>>>>
>>>>Which are books that were written to agree with Paul's view of Jesus.
>>>
>>> None.
>>
>> I wasn't asking a question. I was stating a fact.
>>
>> You really need to read a good book about the early history of your
>> religion. Did you know there was a battle for leadership between James
>> (the brother of Jesus) and Paul?
>
>Or that the original followers of Jesus were simply people who followed his 
>teachings. It was around 400 years later that people decided the man was 
>more important than what he taught.
>
>Today's Christianity is mostly based on the teachings of Paul. Christians 
>are obsessed about guilt and sin. But there's no mention of original sin in 
>the teachings of Jesus.
>
>The original Christians were urged to live an ethical lifestyle. Modern 
>Christians are urged to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus, and 
>that they will be absolved of their sins as long as they believe.
>
>Christians today have a Messiah, but they've lost the message of Jesus.
>
>
>
>

AFAIK Paul is dead in a tomb and Christ is alive and the Tomb is Empty.
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"The Doctor"  wrote in message 
news:g43kfa$gn5$7@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <QG99k.20821$ft1.2211@newsfe14.ams2>,
> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>"Dave Cross"  wrote in message
>>news:pan.2008.06.27.17.09.24@dave.org.uk...
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:19:35 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:30:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , The
>>>>>> Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>>>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Dave Cross wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are many other similar gospels. Many of them were considered
>>>>>>>> for inclusion in the new testament - but were excluded because they
>>>>>>>> didn't agree with the version of christianity that Paul promoted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Because modern Christianity doesn't follow Jesus at all, but rather
>>>>>>>Paul's perversion of it.  Yads is no Christian, he is a Paulist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I follow Christ as In Matthew, MArk, Luke John and Acts!
>>>>>
>>>>>Which are books that were written to agree with Paul's view of Jesus.
>>>>
>>>> None.
>>>
>>> I wasn't asking a question. I was stating a fact.
>>>
>>> You really need to read a good book about the early history of your
>>> religion. Did you know there was a battle for leadership between James
>>> (the brother of Jesus) and Paul?
>>
>>Or that the original followers of Jesus were simply people who followed 
>>his
>>teachings. It was around 400 years later that people decided the man was
>>more important than what he taught.
>>
>>Today's Christianity is mostly based on the teachings of Paul. Christians
>>are obsessed about guilt and sin. But there's no mention of original sin 
>>in
>>the teachings of Jesus.
>>
>>The original Christians were urged to live an ethical lifestyle. Modern
>>Christians are urged to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus, 
>>and
>>that they will be absolved of their sins as long as they believe.
>>
>>Christians today have a Messiah, but they've lost the message of Jesus.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> AFAIK Paul is dead in a tomb and Christ is alive and the Tomb is Empty.

AFAIK Paul is dead and buried. Christ is the expected deliverer of the Jews. 
He hasn't shown up yet...

In article ,
Dave Cross   wrote:
>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:59:36 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article , Dave Cross 
>>  wrote:
>>>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:19:35 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article , Dave Cross
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:30:37 +0000, The Doctor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , The
>>>>>> Master  <tardis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>>>On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Dave Cross wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are many other similar gospels. Many of them were considered
>>>>>>>> for inclusion in the new testament - but were excluded because
>>>>>>>> they didn't agree with the version of christianity that Paul
>>>>>>>> promoted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Because modern Christianity doesn't follow Jesus at all, but rather
>>>>>>>Paul's perversion of it.  Yads is no Christian, he is a Paulist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I follow Christ as In Matthew, MArk, Luke John and Acts!
>>>>>
>>>>>Which are books that were written to agree with Paul's view of Jesus.
>>>> 
>>>> None.
>>>
>>>I wasn't asking a question. I was stating a fact.
>>>
>>>You really need to read a good book about the early history of your
>>>religion. Did you know there was a battle for leadership between James
>>>(the brother of Jesus) and Paul?
>> 
>> Are you saying the 4 Gospels and Acts and frauds?
>
>No. I'm saying that they are frauds at all. I'm saying that they are only 
>a relatively small part of a much wider literature that was written about 
>the life of Jesus. Much of this literature has widely differing views on 
>the nature and message of Jesus.
>
>I'm also saying that when the followers of Paul beat the followers of 
>James for control of the early church, then they began to systematically 
>suppress the books that didn't support their theology.
>
>None of this is at all contentious. As I've said a number of times. Read 
>a book about it.
>
>Dave...

All frauds. Prove your statement.
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