On 2008-02-09 00:03:21 +0000, "Stephen Wilson" 
 said:

> 
> "The Doctor"  wrote in message
> news:foiq7q$r5n$5@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>> In article <VQ5rj.3233$v04.541@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
>> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> "The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>> news:foik6g$mqs$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Why are the Ten Commandments the basis for Judeo-Christian law?
>>> 
>>> Why are the Ten Commandments dismissed by Christians?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> They are not.
> 
> I submit the following evidence. Perhaps you would care to retract your
> statement.
> 
> Exodus 35:2 "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall
> be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work
> therein shall be put to death."
> 
> Leviticus 20:9 "If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
> death."
> 
> Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the
> wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to
> death."
> 
> Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of
> them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death."
> 
> Deuteronomy 22:20 "If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's
> virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's
> house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a
> disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's
> house. "
> 
> Deuteronomy 20:10-17 "When you march up to attack a city, make its people an
> offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it
> shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to
> make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the
> Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in
> it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the
> city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you
> are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not
> belong to the nations nearby.
>      However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you
> as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely
> destroy them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and
> Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you."
> 
> Ezekiel 20:25-26 "I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and
> laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their
> gifts-the sacrifice of every firstborn-that I might fill them with horror so
> they would know that I am the LORD."
> 
> Exodus 21:20-21 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the
> slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be
> punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his
> property."
> 
> Leviticus 25:44-45 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations
> around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the
> temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your
> country, and they will become your property."

To be fair, only the first is actually in the 10 Commandments. It's 
also one that is explicitly dealt with by Christ  ("The Sabbath was 
made for man - not man for the Sabbath"). It's actually a remarkably 
humane injunction that reminds us that we don't belong to our employers.

"Andrew"  wrote in message 
news:2008020900142116807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...
>
> To be fair, only the first is actually in the 10 Commandments. It's also 
> one that is explicitly dealt with by Christ  ("The Sabbath was made for 
> man - not man for the Sabbath"). It's actually a remarkably humane 
> injunction that reminds us that we don't belong to our employers.

Sorry, etc. I know that you think about such things. And although it may 
look as though I'm bashing Christianity, I'm really only trying to point out 
that things aren't necessarily as black and white as some people think they 
may be.

Although now we're talking about the 10 commandments... Which ones? The 
first set, which Moses smashed? Or the 2nd set? The first set are 
(allegedly) recorded in Exodus 20. The 2nd set (Exodus 34) doesn't resemble 
the 1st set. And the recap (Deuteronomy 5) is different again!

Then again, the Protestant Church (eg law 1: "Thou shalt have no other gods 
before me.") has a different set of the commandments to the Catholic Church 
(eg law 1: I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before 
me.", which has a different set to the Jews (eg law 1 "I am the Lord thy 
God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of 
slavery.")

.

On 2008-02-09 00:25:21 +0000, "Stephen Wilson" 
 said:

> 
> "Andrew"  wrote in message
> news:2008020900142116807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...
>> 
>> To be fair, only the first is actually in the 10 Commandments. It's also
>> one that is explicitly dealt with by Christ  ("The Sabbath was made for
>> man - not man for the Sabbath"). It's actually a remarkably humane
>> injunction that reminds us that we don't belong to our employers.
> 
> Sorry, etc. I know that you think about such things. And although it may
> look as though I'm bashing Christianity, I'm really only trying to point out
> that things aren't necessarily as black and white as some people think they
> may be.

I appreciate that, but in doing so you're in danger of 'black and 
whiting' yourself by implying 'yes or no' answers to questions where a 
continuum of perspectives is appropriate.

> 
> Although now we're talking about the 10 commandments... Which ones? The
> first set, which Moses smashed? Or the 2nd set? The first set are
> (allegedly) recorded in Exodus 20.

So we go with that.

> The 2nd set (Exodus 34) doesn't resemble
> the 1st set. And the recap (Deuteronomy 5) is different again!

Not substantially. There is a bit more "fleshing out" of the rules (a 
typical quality in Deuteronomy) but the sense is consistent. The second 
set of laws (Exodus 34) is a much more detailed set of laws and 
guidance and should be seen as an augmentation of the original set 
rather than a replacement.

> 
> Then again, the Protestant Church (eg law 1: "Thou shalt have no other gods
> before me.") has a different set of the commandments to the Catholic Church
> (eg law 1: I am the Lord thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before
> me.", which has a different set to the Jews (eg law 1 "I am the Lord thy
> God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of
> slavery.")
> 
> .

That's just a question of translation and emphasis. Again the sense is 
consistent - "I'm God. Worship me - not those posts and rocks you've 
set up".

In article <2008020900142116807-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
Andrew   wrote:
>On 2008-02-09 00:03:21 +0000, "Stephen Wilson" 
> said:
>
>> 
>> "The Doctor"  wrote in message
>> news:foiq7q$r5n$5@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>> In article <VQ5rj.3233$v04.541@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
>>> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> "The Doctor"  wrote in message
>>>> news:foik6g$mqs$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why are the Ten Commandments the basis for Judeo-Christian law?
>>>> 
>>>> Why are the Ten Commandments dismissed by Christians?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> They are not.
>> 
>> I submit the following evidence. Perhaps you would care to retract your
>> statement.
>> 
>> Exodus 35:2 "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall
>> be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work
>> therein shall be put to death."
>> 
>> Leviticus 20:9 "If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to
>> death."
>> 
>> Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with the
>> wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to
>> death."
>> 
>> Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of
>> them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death."
>> 
>> Deuteronomy 22:20 "If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's
>> virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's
>> house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a
>> disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's
>> house. "
>> 
>> Deuteronomy 20:10-17 "When you march up to attack a city, make its people an
>> offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it
>> shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to
>> make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the
>> Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in
>> it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the
>> city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how you
>> are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not
>> belong to the nations nearby.
>>      However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you
>> as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely
>> destroy them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and
>> Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you."
>> 
>> Ezekiel 20:25-26 "I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and
>> laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their
>> gifts-the sacrifice of every firstborn-that I might fill them with horror so
>> they would know that I am the LORD."
>> 
>> Exodus 21:20-21 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the
>> slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be
>> punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his
>> property."
>> 
>> Leviticus 25:44-45 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations
>> around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the
>> temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your
>> country, and they will become your property."
>
>To be fair, only the first is actually in the 10 Commandments. It's 
>also one that is explicitly dealt with by Christ  ("The Sabbath was 
>made for man - not man for the Sabbath"). It's actually a remarkably 
>humane injunction that reminds us that we don't belong to our employers.
>

IE We belong to God.
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"The Doctor"  wrote in message
news:foit3s$1rh$1@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> In article <2008020900142116807-thecroft@macunlimitednet>,
> Andrew   wrote:
> >On 2008-02-09 00:03:21 +0000, "Stephen Wilson"
> > said:
> >
> >>
> >> "The Doctor"  wrote in message
> >> news:foiq7q$r5n$5@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>> In article <VQ5rj.3233$v04.541@newsfe3-gui.ntli.net>,
> >>> Stephen Wilson  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "The Doctor"  wrote in message
> >>>> news:foik6g$mqs$3@gallifrey.nk.ca...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why are the Ten Commandments the basis for Judeo-Christian law?
> >>>>
> >>>> Why are the Ten Commandments dismissed by Christians?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> They are not.
> >>
> >> I submit the following evidence. Perhaps you would care to retract your
> >> statement.
> >>
> >> Exodus 35:2 "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there
shall
> >> be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth
work
> >> therein shall be put to death."
> >>
> >> Leviticus 20:9 "If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put
to
> >> death."
> >>
> >> Leviticus 20:10 "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife-with
the
> >> wife of his neighbor-both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put
to
> >> death."
> >>
> >> Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman,
both of
> >> them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death."
> >>
> >> Deuteronomy 22:20 "If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the
girl's
> >> virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her
father's
> >> house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has
done a
> >> disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her
father's
> >> house. "
> >>
> >> Deuteronomy 20:10-17 "When you march up to attack a city, make its
people an
> >> offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in
it
> >> shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse
to
> >> make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When
the
> >> Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men
in
> >> it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else
in the
> >> city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. . . . This is how
you
> >> are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not
> >> belong to the nations nearby.
> >>      However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving
you
> >> as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.
Completely
> >> destroy them-the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites
and
> >> Jebusites-as the Lord your God has commanded you."
> >>
> >> Ezekiel 20:25-26 "I also gave them over to statutes that were not good
and
> >> laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their
> >> gifts-the sacrifice of every firstborn-that I might fill them with
horror so
> >> they would know that I am the LORD."
> >>
> >> Exodus 21:20-21 "If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and
the
> >> slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be
> >> punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is
his
> >> property."
> >>
> >> Leviticus 25:44-45 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the
nations
> >> around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the
> >> temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in
your
> >> country, and they will become your property."
> >
> >To be fair, only the first is actually in the 10 Commandments. It's
> >also one that is explicitly dealt with by Christ  ("The Sabbath was
> >made for man - not man for the Sabbath"). It's actually a remarkably
> >humane injunction that reminds us that we don't belong to our employers.
> >
>
> IE We belong to God.
> -- 
> Member - Liberal International
> This is doctor@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@nl2k.ab.ca
> God, Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!  On March 3rd,
> Alberta! Time for a change and beware Alliance in PC clothing. Vote
Liberal!