Hi all,

Does anyone out there still have copies of the three unfilmed Crusade
scripts that were released after its cancellation? These were: "Value
Judgments", "To the Ends of the Earth" and "The End of the Line". I've
just been re-watching Crusade and would like to fill in these blanks.
The latter two at least were available electronically on bookface.com
for a while but the site folded.

I must say I rather enjoyed the little there is of Crusade, and JMS'
plans for future seasons that are discussed on the Web sounded good.
Such is TV land.

-- 
Jeremy Morley
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Jeremy Morley wrote:

> Does anyone out there still have copies of the three unfilmed Crusade
> scripts that were released after its cancellation? These were: "Value
> Judgments", "To the Ends of the Earth" and "The End of the Line". I've
> just been re-watching Crusade and would like to fill in these blanks.
> The latter two at least were available electronically on bookface.com
> for a while but the site folded.

I was sure I had them here - somewhere! Maybe I have, but I can't track them 
down, so if anyone *does* find copies I'd be glad of a refresher too.

-- 
Bruce

On 26-Sep-07 07:26:44, Bruce Goatly said
>Jeremy Morley wrote:

>> Does anyone out there still have copies of the three unfilmed Crusade
>> scripts that were released after its cancellation? These were: "Value
>> Judgments", "To the Ends of the Earth" and "The End of the Line". I've
>> just been re-watching Crusade and would like to fill in these blanks.
>> The latter two at least were available electronically on bookface.com
>> for a while but the site folded.

>I was sure I had them here - somewhere! Maybe I have, but I can't track them
>down, so if anyone *does* find copies I'd be glad of a refresher too.

I had them on hard drive but not now. They are probably on a back-up CD
somewhere. What sort of date are we talking about when they were released
and people here were chatting about them?


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Angus Manwaring wrote:

> I had them on hard drive but not now. They are probably on a back-up CD
> somewhere. What sort of date are we talking about when they were released
> and people here were chatting about them?

Blimey, I can't remember last week, let alone years ago.

Bruce

> 
>> I had them on hard drive but not now. They are probably on a back-up CD
>> somewhere. What sort of date are we talking about when they were released
>> and people here were chatting about them?
> 
> Blimey, I can't remember last week, let alone years ago.
> 
Ah? Wot? Who are you?

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* "Bruce Goatly"  wrote:
> 
> Angus Manwaring wrote:
> 
> > I had them on hard drive but not now. They are probably on a back-up CD
> > somewhere. What sort of date are we talking about when they were released
> > and people here were chatting about them?
> 
> Blimey, I can't remember last week, let alone years ago.

Me neither, but then again I don't have to, as Google remembers such
things for me:

 http://groups.google.com/groups/search?lr=&safe=off&num=10&q=crusade+scripts+bookface+group%3Auk.media.tv.sf.babylon5&safe=off&qt_s=Search

We're looking at July/August 2000.

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In article , Jeremy Morley says...
>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Does anyone out there still have copies of the three unfilmed Crusade
>scripts that were released after its cancellation? These were: "Value
>Judgments", "To the Ends of the Earth" and "The End of the Line". I've
>just been re-watching Crusade and would like to fill in these blanks.
>The latter two at least were available electronically on bookface.com
>for a while but the site folded.
>

I suppose this will be unpopular but JMS has asked that people *not* share those
files http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-16292 :

-------begin part of JMS post----------
9a) A subset of 9 and a request...I keep seeing posts from people who are
freely exchanging textfiles containing the Crusade scripts that were posted on
bookface.com. To those folks, the rest of you can move on...I don't think
you've stopped to realize that what you're passing around so freely is my
property. It's not taking from WB, or TNT, it's taking from *me*. I own the
scripts that I write, under the Writers Guild Separation of Rights provision. 
I allowed Bookface to put them up because they gave me assurances that they
could not easily or well be pirated. (They clearly did not anticipate the
ingenuity of some folks.) You are infringing on my rights, my copyright, my
ownership, and causing me to regret my decision to let folks see them, such
that I may never do this again because it greatly reduces my ability to ever
sell them or publish them in book form in future. You have, in effect, stolen
my property and are freely distributing same. That it's not available
elsewhere is not the issue; we all want things we can't have, or which are not
currently available. I'm asking you politely, as the guy who *made* this show
and *wrote* those scripts (and *owns* those scripts) for you to stop. If it
doesn't stop, I'm going to have to start taking action against those doing
this. (I've been giving my attorneys quite a workout lately, inclusive of
making sure that a certain individual who has been fabricating stuff about me
for six years on the unmoderated group...will do so no longer.)
--------------end--------------

There are plans for JMS to publish the Crusade scripts after the 15 volume set
he's putting out now is complete and he's said that he'll also look into
offering a royalty to the other writers in order to publish theirs.  You can
sign up to get notified of when script books are published at
babylon5scripts.com .

Jan


-- 
We see what we look for and we look for what we think we will see.
                                                            --jms

In article
<C3207B1D.FC8F3%wobble@stardock.thatparticularlynastyISP.co.uk>,
   Andrew Wright  wrote:

> > 
> >> I had them on hard drive but not now. They are probably on a
> >> back-up CD somewhere. What sort of date are we talking about when
> >> they were released and people here were chatting about them?
> > 
> > Blimey, I can't remember last week, let alone years ago.
> 
> Ah? Wot? Who are you?

"Matthew Gideon..."

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"Jan"  wrote in message 
news:fdeoqu069i@drn.newsguy.com...

> I suppose this will be unpopular but JMS has asked that people *not* share 
> those
> files http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-16292 :
>

Oh look. What a surprise - Jan reposting the word of the Great God. I 
wondered how long that might take.

In article <fdfuv4$mup$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
   Fran  wrote:

> "Jan"  wrote in message 
> news:fdeoqu069i@drn.newsguy.com...

> > I suppose this will be unpopular but JMS has asked that people
> > *not* share those files http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-16292
> > :

> Oh look. What a surprise - Jan reposting the word of the Great God.

All part of the service, I presume  ;-)

> I wondered how long that might take. 

Well, I have to admit that he is entirely correct on this occasion; and
I for one will not pursue unauthorised copies, knowing the situation,
however much I'd like to know what was in those three scripts.  It was
thus helpful to have that posted here.

-- 
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~~~~~~~~~~~|  the B5 Season 4 opening sequence (with actions!) at
"VirCotto" |  the Sparkler Point 2001 -- but narrowly escaped  <*>
  on IRC   |  also see www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/television

In article <fdfuv4$mup$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Fran says...
>
>
>"Jan"  wrote in message 
>news:fdeoqu069i@drn.newsguy.com...
>
>> I suppose this will be unpopular but JMS has asked that people *not* share 
>> those
>> files http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-16292 :
>>
>
>Oh look. What a surprise - Jan reposting the word of the Great God. I 
>wondered how long that might take. 
>

Great God?  Where?  Who?

Two days from the initial post.  I should probably apologize for my lateness,
shouldn't I?

Jan


-- 
We see what we look for and we look for what we think we will see.
                                                            --jms

In article , John M Ward says...
>
>
>Well, I have to admit that he is entirely correct on this occasion; and
>I for one will not pursue unauthorised copies, knowing the situation,
>however much I'd like to know what was in those three scripts.  It was
>thus helpful to have that posted here.
>

If it's any help, there are some synopses of the three unproduced scripts at
http://worldsofjms.com/crusade/reviews/index.htm

Jan


-- 
We see what we look for and we look for what we think we will see.
                                                            --jms

In article ,
   Jan  wrote:
> In article <fdfuv4$mup$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Fran says...
> >
> >"Jan"  wrote in message 
> >news:fdeoqu069i@drn.newsguy.com...
> >
> >> I suppose this will be unpopular but JMS has asked that people
> >> *not* share those files
> >> http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-16292 :
> >
> >Oh look. What a surprise - Jan reposting the word of the Great God. I 
> >wondered how long that might take. 

> Great God?  Where?  Who?

"Great Maker", perhaps  ;-)

...which reminds me of something only vaguely connected with this, which
is that I have developed in recent months what I supposed would be
called a fantasy of walking onto the stage, dressed as Londo, at a con
at which the excellent Peter Jurasik was present, and "berating" him for
impersonating me (would you believe!)

I actually do Londo very well, and even surprise myself at times (in
private moments!), and I have a delicious script worked out for this
occasion, should it ever happen.  If the "stuff mistress" were still
available, I think I'd commission the outfit from her anyway, just in
case this should ever become possible.

It would be one of those "magic moments" that I think all present would
enjoy and appreciate, especially as I have the highest possible regard
for Peter J and what he did with that character, most particularly in
the first six episodes of Season 4 of B5.  Here in Chatham, we have an
expression for that kind of performance: "blinding!"

> Two days from the initial post.  I should probably apologize for my
> lateness, shouldn't I?

Well, as it's you -- okay, we'll let you off this time  ;-)

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~~~~~~~~~~~|  the B5 Season 4 opening sequence (with actions!) at
"VirCotto" |  the Sparkler Point 2001 -- but narrowly escaped  <*>
  on IRC   |  also see www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/television

"Jan"  wrote in message 
news:fdg5vd0315m@drn.newsguy.com...
> In article <fdfuv4$mup$1@registered.motzarella.org>, Fran says...
>>
>>
>>"Jan"  wrote in message
>>news:fdeoqu069i@drn.newsguy.com...
>>
>>> I suppose this will be unpopular but JMS has asked that people *not* 
>>> share
>>> those
>>> files http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-16292 :
>>>
>>
>>Oh look. What a surprise - Jan reposting the word of the Great God. I
>>wondered how long that might take.
>>
>
> Great God?  Where?  Who?
>
> Two days from the initial post.  I should probably apologize for my 
> lateness,
> shouldn't I?
>

Do you know the identity of the unfortunate being  who jms is pursuing with 
lawyers?

On Sep 27, 9:28 am, "Fran"  wrote:
>
> Do you know the identity of the unfortunate being  who jms is pursuing with
> lawyers?

Was.  The post I quoted was from 2001.  http://jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-16292

No idea who he was referring to.  Don't know if he ever had to go
after anybody who was trading files, either.

Jan

On Sep 27, 8:35 am, John M Ward  wrote:
> In article ,
>
> ...which reminds me of something only vaguely connected with this, which
> is that I have developed in recent months what I supposed would be
> called a fantasy of walking onto the stage, dressed as Londo, at a con
> at which the excellent Peter Jurasik was present, and "berating" him for
> impersonating me (would you believe!)
>
> I actually do Londo very well, and even surprise myself at times (in
> private moments!), and I have a delicious script worked out for this
> occasion, should it ever happen.  If the "stuff mistress" were still
> available, I think I'd commission the outfit from her anyway, just in
> case this should ever become possible.
>
> It would be one of those "magic moments" that I think all present would
> enjoy and appreciate, especially as I have the highest possible regard
> for Peter J and what he did with that character, most particularly in
> the first six episodes of Season 4 of B5.  Here in Chatham, we have an
> expression for that kind of performance: "blinding!"

That sounds like a lot of fun.  Hope you have it filmed if you ever
have the chance to do it.  Peter J. is a really nice guy.

>
> > Two days from the initial post.  I should probably apologize for my
> > lateness, shouldn't I?
>
> Well, as it's you -- okay, we'll let you off this time  ;-)
>

Whew.  I feel better now, thanks.

Jan

Bother!  I thought I had replied to this at the time, but hadn't...

In article ,
   Jan  wrote:
> In article , John M Ward says...
> >
> >Well, I have to admit that he is entirely correct on this occasion;
> >and I for one will not pursue unauthorised copies, knowing the
> >situation, however much I'd like to know what was in those three
> >scripts.  It was thus helpful to have that posted here.

> If it's any help, there are some synopses of the three unproduced
> scripts at http://worldsofjms.com/crusade/reviews/index.htm

Many thanks for this.  Fascinating stuff!  Perhaps it'll all come out as
a series of novels one day, so we can see where it was really heading...

-- 
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~~~~~~~~~~~|  the B5 Season 4 opening sequence (with actions!) at
"VirCotto" |  the Sparkler Point 2001 -- but narrowly escaped  <*>
  on IRC   |  also see www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/television

In article ,
    wrote:
> On Sep 27, 8:35 am, John M Ward  wrote:
> > In article ,
> >
> > ...I have developed in recent months what I suppose would be
> > called a fantasy of walking onto the stage, dressed as Londo, at a
> > con at which the excellent Peter Jurasik was present, and
> > "berating" him for impersonating me (would you believe!)

Mind you, I would pay him a half-compliment for being "not bad"...

> > I actually do Londo very well, and even surprise myself at times
> > (in private moments!), and I have a delicious script worked out for
> > this occasion, should it ever happen.  If the "stuff mistress" were
> > still available, I think I'd commission the outfit from her anyway,
> > just in case this should ever become possible.

It wouldn't work without the outfit, of course; but I wonder how I could
get hold of one nowadays...

> > It would be one of those "magic moments" that I think all present
> > would enjoy and appreciate, especially as I have the highest
> > possible regard for Peter J and what he did with that character,
> > most particularly in the first six episodes of Season 4 of B5. 
> > Here in Chatham, we have an expression for that kind of
> > performance: "blinding!"

> That sounds like a lot of fun.  Hope you have it filmed if you ever
> have the chance to do it.  Peter J. is a really nice guy.

I gained that feeling quite strongly, from what folk I know who have
been to cons have said.

I don't suppose it'll ever happen, but it was a nice idea all the same.

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~~~~~~~~~~~|  the B5 Season 4 opening sequence (with actions!) at
"VirCotto" |  the Sparkler Point 2001 -- but narrowly escaped  <*>
  on IRC   |  also see www.john-ward.org.uk/personal/john/television

In "Half Past Dead" on Channel 5 right now. With Steven Seagal, a hell of a
lot of bullets and not much sign of a plot.

Andrew

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