www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21

Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .

On 23 Jul, 16:52, Krustov  wrote:
> www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>
> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .

Not that crime, no.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 16:52:50, Krustov  wrote in 
uk.media.tv.misc :

>www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>
>Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .

Well when insurance companies get ripped off for £250k, some people 
might consider it poetic justice... :)

Seriously though, it's not like running into a bank with a sawn-off 
shotgun.
-- 
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

"Krustov"  wrote in message 
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> www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>
> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .

Are you under the illusion that they get to keep the money?

tim

On 23 Jul, 18:25, Paul Hyett  wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 16:52:50, Krustov  wrote in
> uk.media.tv.misc :
>
> >www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>
> >Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>
> Well when insurance companies get ripped off for £250k, some people
> might consider it poetic justice... :)
>
> Seriously though, it's not like running into a bank with a sawn-off
> shotgun.

If a couple had defrauded the DWP of £250,000 there'd
be an outcry. It's fraud and they should be treated as criminals.

fr.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:04:14 +0100, "tim....."
 wrote:

>
>"Krustov"  wrote in message 
>news:MPG.22f1641efa59393998b78d@news.newsreader.com...
>> www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>>
>> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>
>Are you under the illusion that they get to keep the money?

What if you've already spent it?

wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:04:14 +0100, "tim....."
>  wrote:
>
>>
>>"Krustov"  wrote in message
>>news:MPG.22f1641efa59393998b78d@news.newsreader.com...
>>> www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>>>
>>> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>>
>>Are you under the illusion that they get to keep the money?
>
> What if you've already spent it?

They have, on houses that they will probably forfeit to be sold

tim

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:50:34 +0100, "tim....."
 wrote:

> wrote in message 
>news:jm2f8499fs4a9sevjni8dc0b28vuksb16r@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:04:14 +0100, "tim....."
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Krustov"  wrote in message
>>>news:MPG.22f1641efa59393998b78d@news.newsreader.com...
>>>> www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>>>>
>>>> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>>>
>>>Are you under the illusion that they get to keep the money?
>>
>> What if you've already spent it?
>
>They have, on houses that they will probably forfeit to be sold

He should have blown it on wine, women and...well, more wine and
women.  I'll bet there are plenty of pretty women in Panama.  Why he
brought that hard-faced cow from Seaton Carew over God only knows. Oh,
but I'm forgetting - he "coerced" her, didn't he?  You only have to
look at him to see what a manipulative svengali he is.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:04:14 +0100, "tim....." 
wrote:

>
>"Krustov"  wrote in message 
>news:MPG.22f1641efa59393998b78d@news.newsreader.com...
>> www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>>
>> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>
>Are you under the illusion that they get to keep the money?

They have spent it in Panama.
-- 

Martin

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:56:43 +0100, middlelight@googlemail.com wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:50:34 +0100, "tim....."
> wrote:
>
>> wrote in message 
>>news:jm2f8499fs4a9sevjni8dc0b28vuksb16r@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:04:14 +0100, "tim....."
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Krustov"  wrote in message
>>>>news:MPG.22f1641efa59393998b78d@news.newsreader.com...
>>>>> www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>>>>>
>>>>> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>>>>
>>>>Are you under the illusion that they get to keep the money?
>>>
>>> What if you've already spent it?
>>
>>They have, on houses that they will probably forfeit to be sold
>
>He should have blown it on wine, women and...well, more wine and
>women.  I'll bet there are plenty of pretty women in Panama.  Why he
>brought that hard-faced cow from Seaton Carew over God only knows. Oh,
>but I'm forgetting - he "coerced" her, didn't he?  You only have to
>look at him to see what a manipulative svengali he is.

He's a living example of never needing to be out of work. How many career
changes did he make? AND he planned to open a canoeing school in Panama.
-- 

Martin

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:25:42 GMT, Paul Hyett
 wrote:


>Well when insurance companies get ripped off for £250k, some people 
>might consider it poetic justice... :)
>
>Seriously though, it's not like running into a bank with a sawn-off 
>shotgun.

I agree. All this talk of no prison space & kiddy fiddlers getting
suspended sentences & this pair get banged up. Yes it was very wrong,
but they're hardly a threat to society. Their lives are already ruined
& it's not as if firms would be queuing up to give them credit cards &
life insurance. What is the point of banging them up? Just like that
woman working at Goldman Sachs writing huge cheques to herself & her
boss not missing the money.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3564533.stm

What's the law like on them writing their memoirs & getting film
rights?

CD

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 12:22:39, Fr J. Hackett 
 wrote in uk.media.tv.misc :

>On 23 Jul, 18:25, Paul Hyett  wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 16:52:50, Krustov  wrote in
>> uk.media.tv.misc :
>>
>> >www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>>
>> >Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>>
>> Well when insurance companies get ripped off for £250k, some people
>> might consider it poetic justice... :)
>>
>> Seriously though, it's not like running into a bank with a sawn-off
>> shotgun.
>
>If a couple had defrauded the DWP of £250,000 there'd
>be an outcry. It's fraud and they should be treated as criminals.

True, but I think 6 years was rather steep, when *violent* criminals 
often get far lesser sentences.
-- 
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 20:04:14, tim.....  
wrote in uk.media.tv.misc :
>>
>> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>
>Are you under the illusion that they get to keep the money?

Surely they will have spent it by now? I would have, in their position.
-- 
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett

"CD"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:25:42 GMT, Paul Hyett
>  wrote:
>
>
> What's the law like on them writing their memoirs & getting film
> rights?

I *think* (and I could be wrong - happy to be corrected) that this is 
regarded as an extension of the "making money out of a crime" law. It might 
be that you can earn the money but must not be able to benefit from it - so 
it can go to your children but not to you.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:26:42 GMT, Paul Hyett
 wrote:

>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 12:22:39, Fr J. Hackett 
> wrote in uk.media.tv.misc :
>
>>On 23 Jul, 18:25, Paul Hyett  wrote:
>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 16:52:50, Krustov  wrote in
>>> uk.media.tv.misc :
>>>
>>> >www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>>>
>>> >Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>>>
>>> Well when insurance companies get ripped off for £250k, some people
>>> might consider it poetic justice... :)
>>>
>>> Seriously though, it's not like running into a bank with a sawn-off
>>> shotgun.
>>
>>If a couple had defrauded the DWP of £250,000 there'd
>>be an outcry. It's fraud and they should be treated as criminals.
>
>True, but I think 6 years was rather steep, when *violent* criminals 
>often get far lesser sentences.


I think extended psychological torture of their own sons is pretty
violont, don't you?
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:24:02 +0100, Luke Curtis 
wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:26:42 GMT, Paul Hyett
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 12:22:39, Fr J. Hackett 
>> wrote in uk.media.tv.misc :
>>
>>>On 23 Jul, 18:25, Paul Hyett  wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 16:52:50, Krustov  wrote in
>>>> uk.media.tv.misc :
>>>>
>>>> >www.thedarwins.co.uk/guestbook_view.php?entry=21
>>>>
>>>> >Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>>>>
>>>> Well when insurance companies get ripped off for £250k, some people
>>>> might consider it poetic justice... :)
>>>>
>>>> Seriously though, it's not like running into a bank with a sawn-off
>>>> shotgun.
>>>
>>>If a couple had defrauded the DWP of £250,000 there'd
>>>be an outcry. It's fraud and they should be treated as criminals.
>>
>>True, but I think 6 years was rather steep, when *violent* criminals 
>>often get far lesser sentences.
>
>
>I think extended psychological torture of their own sons is pretty
>violont, don't you?

Their assets have been seized so the sons aren't even getting their hands on the
money.
-- 

Martin

On 24 Jul, 09:57, "Mortimer"  wrote:
> "CD"  wrote in message
>
> news:0ndg84dfkq0mgojilua830dv9cpibsj68h@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:25:42 GMT, Paul Hyett
> >  wrote:
>
> > What's the law like on them writing their memoirs & getting film
> > rights?
>
> I *think* (and I could be wrong - happy to be corrected) that this is
> regarded as an extension of the "making money out of a crime" law. It might
> be that you can earn the money but must not be able to benefit from it - so
> it can go to your children but not to you.

I think I must be the only one who still has doubts as to whether the
kids knew about it all along. If the children don't sell their story
to the press then that'll convince me even more so.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT), theodoredice@googlemail.com wrote:

>On 24 Jul, 09:57, "Mortimer"  wrote:
>> "CD"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:0ndg84dfkq0mgojilua830dv9cpibsj68h@4ax.com...
>>
>> > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:25:42 GMT, Paul Hyett
>> >  wrote:
>>
>> > What's the law like on them writing their memoirs & getting film
>> > rights?
>>
>> I *think* (and I could be wrong - happy to be corrected) that this is
>> regarded as an extension of the "making money out of a crime" law. It might
>> be that you can earn the money but must not be able to benefit from it - so
>> it can go to your children but not to you.
>
>I think I must be the only one who still has doubts as to whether the
>kids knew about it all along. 

I still have my doubts.
-- 

Martin

On 24 Jul, 16:53, Martin <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT), theodored...@googlemail.com wrote:
> >On 24 Jul, 09:57, "Mortimer"  wrote:
> >> "CD"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:0ndg84dfkq0mgojilua830dv9cpibsj68h@4ax.com...
>
> >> > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:25:42 GMT, Paul Hyett
> >> >  wrote:
>
> >> > What's the law like on them writing their memoirs & getting film
> >> > rights?
>
> >> I *think* (and I could be wrong - happy to be corrected) that this is
> >> regarded as an extension of the "making money out of a crime" law. It might
> >> be that you can earn the money but must not be able to benefit from it - so
> >> it can go to your children but not to you.
>
> >I think I must be the only one who still has doubts as to whether the
> >kids knew about it all along.
>
> I still have my doubts.

It would be relatively easy to pretend, right from the start, on the
basis it protects them in the long term.

It'll be interesting to see how long it is (if we ever hear about it)
they kiss and make up with their parents.

Selling their story to the press would be too risky.

Perhaps I'm just being too cynical.

<uk.media.tv.misc>
<Luke Curtis>
<Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:24:02 퍝>


> >>If a couple had defrauded the DWP of £250,000 there'd
> >>be an outcry. It's fraud and they should be treated as criminals.
> >
> >True, but I think 6 years was rather steep, when *violent* criminals 
> >often get far lesser sentences.
> 
> I think extended psychological torture of their own sons is pretty
> violont, don't you?
> 

The alternative was to tell the sons about the fraud/deception - and in 
turn - make them accessorys to the crime .

i.e. the sons could now be in prison as well .


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

On 24 Jul, 17:46, Krustov  wrote:
> <uk.media.tv.misc>
> <Luke Curtis>
> <Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:24:02 퍝>
> 
>
> > >>If a couple had defrauded the DWP of £250,000 there'd
> > >>be an outcry. It's fraud and they should be treated as criminals.
>
> > >True, but I think 6 years was rather steep, when *violent* criminals
> > >often get far lesser sentences.
>
> > I think extended psychological torture of their own sons is pretty
> > violont, don't you?
>
> The alternative was to tell the sons about the fraud/deception - and in
> turn - make them accessorys to the crime .
>
> i.e. the sons could now be in prison as well .

Or as I've suggested, tell the sons and no matter what happens stick
to the story (and do some things to back it up) that they didn't know.

"Paul Hyett"  wrote in message 
news:WGVML0GmOCiIFwoB@blueyonder.co.uk...
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 at 20:04:14, tim.....  
> wrote in uk.media.tv.misc :
>>>
>>> Both will be out in a couple of years - so does crime pay ? .
>>
>>Are you under the illusion that they get to keep the money?
>
> Surely they will have spent it by now? I would have, in their position.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7522929.stm


tim

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:53:57 +0200, Martin <me@address.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT), theodoredice@googlemail.com wrote:
>
>>On 24 Jul, 09:57, "Mortimer"  wrote:
>>> "CD"  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:0ndg84dfkq0mgojilua830dv9cpibsj68h@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> > On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:25:42 GMT, Paul Hyett
>>> >  wrote:
>>>
>>> > What's the law like on them writing their memoirs & getting film
>>> > rights?
>>>
>>> I *think* (and I could be wrong - happy to be corrected) that this is
>>> regarded as an extension of the "making money out of a crime" law. It might
>>> be that you can earn the money but must not be able to benefit from it - so
>>> it can go to your children but not to you.
>>
>>I think I must be the only one who still has doubts as to whether the
>>kids knew about it all along. 
>
>I still have my doubts.

I'm far from convinced.

wrote in message 
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> I'm far from convinced.

I'm appalled, Minister...

Ian