What the fuck is it with broadcasters?

Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic 
film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.

Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly we're 
treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about at the 
corner of the screen.

I don't accept that deaf people want this any more than I do. And 
anyway, what the fuck's with the assumption that the deaf are all 
hanging around watching telly in the middle of the night.

Fucking, fucker channel fucking four.

--
viv

"viv"  wrote in message 
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>
>
> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>
> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
>
> Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly we're
> treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about at the
> corner of the screen.
>
> I don't accept that deaf people want this any more than I do.

No, I guess not. They'd probably much rather be able to hear. ;-)
Cheers
Jeff

viv  wrote:
> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>
> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
>
> Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly we're
> treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about at the
> corner of the screen.
>
> I don't accept that deaf people want this any more than I do. And
> anyway, what the fuck's with the assumption that the deaf are all
> hanging around watching telly in the middle of the night.
>
> Fucking, fucker channel fucking four.

You've got to be kidding. Don't you offer closed captioning in the UK?

Well if a girl shows up in the corner of my telly in the middle of the
night, she better be wearing something a damn sight sexier than a red
jumper.

wrote in message 
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> You've got to be kidding. Don't you offer closed captioning in the UK?

Yes, although we call them subtitles. I have no idea what different benefits 
the sign language offers and why they would have it instead of subtitles.
I think it's something to do with the fact that the subtitles are actually 
the 2nd language of many hard of hearing people, their 1st language being
BSL (British Sign Language). There was a deaf guy who used to post here, 
Alex Buell. Maybe he could answer if he's still around.
Cheers
Jeff

wrote in message 
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> viv  wrote:
>> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>>
>> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
>> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
>>
>> Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly we're
>> treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about at the
>> corner of the screen.
>>
>> I don't accept that deaf people want this any more than I do. And
>> anyway, what the fuck's with the assumption that the deaf are all
>> hanging around watching telly in the middle of the night.
>>
>> Fucking, fucker channel fucking four.
>
> You've got to be kidding. Don't you offer closed captioning in the UK?
>

Along with hundreds of pages of teletext for almost the last 30 years.

> Well if a girl shows up in the corner of my telly in the middle of the
> night, she better be wearing something a damn sight sexier than a red
> jumper.

Jeff Lawrence wrote:
>  wrote in message 
> news:20080718155632.714$6X@newsreader.com...
> 
>> You've got to be kidding. Don't you offer closed captioning in the UK?
> 
> Yes, although we call them subtitles. I have no idea what different benefits 
> the sign language offers and why they would have it instead of subtitles.
> I think it's something to do with the fact that the subtitles are actually 
> the 2nd language of many hard of hearing people, their 1st language being
> BSL (British Sign Language). There was a deaf guy who used to post here, 
> Alex Buell. Maybe he could answer if he's still around.
> Cheers
> Jeff 


You've pretty much nailed the answer, as far as I can tell.  Some work 
has been done with onscreen avatars which you could switch on and off as 
desired, but the grammar is different between english writing/speech and 
sign language, so it's not just a case of translating words into 
actions, and any machine attempting to do this would probably be about 
as useful as regular language translation currently is.

In message , viv 
 writes
>
>
>What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>
>Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
>film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
>
>Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly we're
>treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about at the
>corner of the screen.
>

Completely agree. A few weeks ago I saw Queen Of The Damned being shown 
late at night and recorded it. I got a great film ruined by an arse in a 
bright pink shirt waving his arms about all through the film. Surely sub 
titles are better, and far less annoying to the general public ?

-- 
Edward Cowling   "Must Go - The Gimp Just Escaped !!"

Edward Cowling London UK  wrote:
> In message , viv
>  writes
> >
> >
> >What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
> >
> >Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
> >film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
> >
> >Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly we're
> >treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about at the
> >corner of the screen.
> >
>
> Completely agree. A few weeks ago I saw Queen Of The Damned being shown
> late at night and recorded it. I got a great film ruined by an arse in a
> bright pink shirt waving his arms about all through the film. Surely sub
> titles are better, and far less annoying to the general public ?

Here in the states, closed captioning is an option you can turn on or off
via the TV remote. Closed captioning is mainly for the hearing impaired but
is also popular in sports bars where many events are shown simultaneously.

We also have subtitling which translates the program into a selected second
language. This also is controlled by the TV remote.

viv  writes:

> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>
> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
>
> Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly
> we're treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about
> at the corner of the screen.
>
> I don't accept that deaf people want this any more than I do. And
> anyway, what the fuck's with the assumption that the deaf are all
> hanging around watching telly in the middle of the night.
>
> Fucking, fucker channel fucking four.

I can't see why we can't have "push the red button for signing" thing,
or at the very least put it in the programme guide that it'll have
in-vision signing so you can watch a different showing of the prog if
you don't want the distraction.

Chris
-- 
Chris Eilbeck

Chris Eilbeck wrote:
> viv  writes:
>
>> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>>
>> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
>> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
>>
>> Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly
>> we're treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about
>> at the corner of the screen.
>>
>> I don't accept that deaf people want this any more than I do. And
>> anyway, what the fuck's with the assumption that the deaf are all
>> hanging around watching telly in the middle of the night.
>>
>> Fucking, fucker channel fucking four.
>
> I can't see why we can't have "push the red button for signing" thing,
> or at the very least put it in the programme guide that it'll have
> in-vision signing so you can watch a different showing of the prog if
> you don't want the distraction.

The Sky+ EPG has a [SL] legend in the information section if that particular 
programme has signing. Sadly, whereas all the programmes that have the [SL] 
legend actually do have signing, a number of programmes also have signing 
but no legend.

-- 
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

CoastalEddy@CShor.com wrote:
> Edward Cowling London UK  wrote:
>> In message , viv
>>  writes
>>>
>>>
>>> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>>>
>>> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
>>> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
>>>
>>> Nice opening credits, opening scene suitably moody, when suddenly
>>> we're treated to some fucking woman in a red jumper flailing about
>>> at the corner of the screen.
>>>
>>
>> Completely agree. A few weeks ago I saw Queen Of The Damned being
>> shown late at night and recorded it. I got a great film ruined by an
>> arse in a bright pink shirt waving his arms about all through the
>> film. Surely sub titles are better, and far less annoying to the
>> general public ?
>
> Here in the states, closed captioning is an option you can turn on or
> off via the TV remote. Closed captioning is mainly for the hearing
> impaired but is also popular in sports bars where many events are
> shown simultaneously.
>

We have that here too. We also have in-vision signing, which is what is 
being discussed here.

-- 
Carl Waring
DigiGuide:
Full: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=1&r=1495
Freeview (free): http://getdigiguide.com/?p=4&r=1495
Web-based: http://getdigiguide.com/?p=3&r=1495

In , "Enzo Matrix" 
wrote:

>Chris Eilbeck wrote:
>> viv  writes:
>>
>>> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>>>
>>> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
>>> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.


>> I can't see why we can't have "push the red button for signing" thing,
>> or at the very least put it in the programme guide that it'll have
>> in-vision signing so you can watch a different showing of the prog if
>> you don't want the distraction.

Yes, the latter was done in this case.

>The Sky+ EPG has a [SL] legend in the information section if that particular 
>programme has signing. 

Normally this is also indicated in the freeview epg, digiguide, the
websites, tivo, newspapers etc too - as it's all in the original data sent
out by the broadcasters.

In this instance:
"FILM: Ministry of Fear
On: Channel 4 (104)    
Date: Friday 18th July 2008
Time: 02:55 to 04:25

Fritz Lang's noir film, based on Graham Greene's classic novel, stars Ray
Milland as Stephen Neale, released from an asylum for the 'mercy' killing
of his incurably sick wife. By chance, he's drawn to a London funfair
where he wins a cake by guessing its weight.
(Black and White, Subtitles, Signed, 1944, PG, 3 Star)"
                             ^^^^^^^

>Sadly, whereas all the programmes that have the [SL] 
>legend actually do have signing, a number of programmes also have signing 
>but no legend.

That is indeed a problem but in this instance the data was correct.

In article , {$mrtickle$}
@nospam.demon.co.uk says...
> In , "Enzo Matrix" 
> wrote:
> 
> >Chris Eilbeck wrote:
> >> viv  writes:
> >>
> >>> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
> >>>
> >>> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
> >>> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
> 
> 
> >> I can't see why we can't have "push the red button for signing" thing,
> >> or at the very least put it in the programme guide that it'll have
> >> in-vision signing so you can watch a different showing of the prog if
> >> you don't want the distraction.
> 
> Yes, the latter was done in this case.
> 
> >The Sky+ EPG has a [SL] legend in the information section if that particular 
> >programme has signing. 
> 
> Normally this is also indicated in the freeview epg, digiguide, the
> websites, tivo, newspapers etc too - as it's all in the original data sent
> out by the broadcasters.
> 
> In this instance:
> "FILM: Ministry of Fear
> On: Channel 4 (104)    
> Date: Friday 18th July 2008
> Time: 02:55 to 04:25
> 
> Fritz Lang's noir film, based on Graham Greene's classic novel, stars Ray
> Milland as Stephen Neale, released from an asylum for the 'mercy' killing
> of his incurably sick wife. By chance, he's drawn to a London funfair
> where he wins a cake by guessing its weight.
> (Black and White, Subtitles, Signed, 1944, PG, 3 Star)"
>                              ^^^^^^^
> 
> >Sadly, whereas all the programmes that have the [SL] 
> >legend actually do have signing, a number of programmes also have signing 
> >but no legend.
> 
> That is indeed a problem but in this instance the data was correct.

Correct data? Who cares? Clearly I didn't read fully. I'm just (still) 
annoyed that the fuckers completely ruin decent programming (which is 
rare enough) with this completely banal and unwelcome technique. 

Fucking, fucker channel fucking four.


--
viv

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:48:00 +0100, Mike Henry <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In , "Enzo Matrix" 
>wrote:
>
>>Chris Eilbeck wrote:
>>> viv  writes:
>>>
>>>> What the fuck is it with broadcasters?
>>>>
>>>> Just settled down to watch Fritz Lang's, Ministry of Fear, a classic
>>>> film noir I taped from channel four in the middle of last night.
>
>
>>> I can't see why we can't have "push the red button for signing" thing,
>>> or at the very least put it in the programme guide that it'll have
>>> in-vision signing so you can watch a different showing of the prog if
>>> you don't want the distraction.
>
>Yes, the latter was done in this case.
>
>>The Sky+ EPG has a [SL] legend in the information section if that particular 
>>programme has signing. 
>
>Normally this is also indicated in the freeview epg, digiguide, the
>websites, tivo, newspapers etc too - as it's all in the original data sent
>out by the broadcasters.
>
>In this instance:
>"FILM: Ministry of Fear
>On: Channel 4 (104)    
>Date: Friday 18th July 2008
>Time: 02:55 to 04:25
>
>Fritz Lang's noir film, based on Graham Greene's classic novel, stars Ray
>Milland as Stephen Neale, released from an asylum for the 'mercy' killing
>of his incurably sick wife. By chance, he's drawn to a London funfair
>where he wins a cake by guessing its weight.
>(Black and White, Subtitles, Signed, 1944, PG, 3 Star)"
>                             ^^^^^^^
>
>>Sadly, whereas all the programmes that have the [SL] 
>>legend actually do have signing, a number of programmes also have signing 
>>but no legend.
>
>That is indeed a problem but in this instance the data was correct.

The local cable provider enabled additional sound for the blind fir a couple of
weeks. That really is irritating. Not surprised that when the local CA opened a
site where you could make complaints about the cable provider they reached
10,000 complaints in a  couple of weeks. I complained because they totally
disabled all channels for 12 hours.
-- 

Martin

viv wrote:

> And anyway, what the fuck's with the assumption that the deaf are all
> hanging around watching telly in the middle of the night.
>
Why would you assume that deaf people aren't up in the middle of the night 
watching TV?  Only hearing people watch TV in the middle of the night?
-- 
Mary Sue (mamie007)
Ottawa

In article , 
mamie7smith@netscape.net says...
> viv wrote:
> 
> > And anyway, what the fuck's with the assumption that the deaf are all
> > hanging around watching telly in the middle of the night.
> >
> Why would you assume that deaf people aren't up in the middle of the night 
> watching TV?  Only hearing people watch TV in the middle of the night?


Oh, isn't it clear that I don't assume they're not? Actually, I assume 
they're watching television at all the same varied times as everyone 
else. That's the point. It's not my assumption, it appears to be channel 
four's.

Which, if I were deaf, would hack me off something fierce.

Even more than the fucking woman flailing her arms around does.

--
viv