Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today it
says bills will go up 60% to over £1000.

I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is £300 a year. Who
here is spending over £600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll need
to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over £1k?

"Norman Wells"  wrote in message 
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> Light of Aria wrote:
>> "Ed"  wrote in message
>> news:7f6faa1f-84db-4ed9-84a5-9f26818f0da9@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today it
>> says bills will go up 60% to over £1000.
>>
>> I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is £300 a year. Who
>> here is spending over £600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll need
>> to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over £1k?
>>
>>
>>
>> <<<
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, My electricity DD is £110 per month and Gas £50 per month.
>>
>> £1,320 + £600 = £1,920 per annum energy costs.
>>
>>
>>
>> I blame myself for having 2 PC's powered on all the time for the
>> obscenely huge electricity bill.
>
> Then you're beating yourself up wrongly.  Either you have a faulty meter, 
> or you're using electricity for heating stuff.  Heaters, cookers, washing 
> machines, kettles and dishwashers use far more than any PC.
>
> See for example:
>
> http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555


That would surprise me.

My Dell T7400 Workstation has a 1KW power supply. My Dell M1730 Laptop has a 
230Watt power supply.

Ergo, I am pissing away 1.23 Kilo Watt Hours / per hour @ an approx 10 p per 
unit = £2.95 per day = £1077 per year.

The thing about the oven, kettle, dish washer, and clothes washing machine 
(which is used daily because I work out daily and hence need to launder my 
sports clothes daily) is they are only used for short periods, and the 
wretched PC is accumulating 24*7*52.

"Ed"  wrote in message 
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Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today it
says bills will go up 60% to over £1000.

I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is £300 a year. Who
here is spending over £600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll need
to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over £1k?



<<<



For me, My electricity DD is £110 per month and Gas £50 per month.

£1,320 + £600 = £1,920 per annum energy costs.



I blame myself for having 2 PC's powered on all the time for the obscenely 
huge electricity bill.

Light of Aria wrote:
> "Norman Wells"  wrote in message
> news:g5pmbg$6ce$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Light of Aria wrote:
>>> "Ed"  wrote in message
>>> news:7f6faa1f-84db-4ed9-84a5-9f26818f0da9@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> I blame myself for having 2 PC's powered on all the time for the
>>> obscenely huge electricity bill.
>>
>> Then you're beating yourself up wrongly.  Either you have a faulty
>> meter, or you're using electricity for heating stuff.  Heaters,
>> cookers, washing machines, kettles and dishwashers use far more than
>> any PC. See for example:
>>
>> http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555
>
>
> That would surprise me.
>
> My Dell T7400 Workstation has a 1KW power supply. My Dell M1730
> Laptop has a 230Watt power supply.
>
> Ergo, I am pissing away 1.23 Kilo Watt Hours / per hour @ an approx
> 10 p per unit = £2.95 per day = £1077 per year.

Ergo you're not.  The power supply rating is the maximum it can sustain, not 
the amount that actually whizzes through it constantly.  It's like a speedo 
that reads up to 150mph when actually all you do is potter down the shops.

Most of the day I imagine one or both of your computers will not be in 
active use.  If they go into stand-by mode, I doubt if they're using more 
than 50 watts at most and probably significantly less.

Even when they are in use, it's hard to see them using more than a hundred 
or two.

>
> The thing about the oven, kettle, dish washer, and clothes washing
> machine (which is used daily because I work out daily and hence need
> to launder my sports clothes daily) is they are only used for short
> periods, and the wretched PC is accumulating 24*7*52.

Yes, but it may well be using 3000 watts for the time it's on, especially 
when it's heating the water.  And your kettle, and your dishwasher, and your 
tumble drier, and your cooker.

"Norman Wells"  wrote in message 
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> Light of Aria wrote:
>> "Norman Wells"  wrote in message
>> news:g5pmbg$6ce$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> Light of Aria wrote:
>>>> "Ed"  wrote in message
>>>> news:7f6faa1f-84db-4ed9-84a5-9f26818f0da9@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> I blame myself for having 2 PC's powered on all the time for the
>>>> obscenely huge electricity bill.
>>>
>>> Then you're beating yourself up wrongly.  Either you have a faulty
>>> meter, or you're using electricity for heating stuff.  Heaters,
>>> cookers, washing machines, kettles and dishwashers use far more than
>>> any PC. See for example:
>>>
>>> http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555
>>
>>
>> That would surprise me.
>>
>> My Dell T7400 Workstation has a 1KW power supply. My Dell M1730
>> Laptop has a 230Watt power supply.
>>
>> Ergo, I am pissing away 1.23 Kilo Watt Hours / per hour @ an approx
>> 10 p per unit = £2.95 per day = £1077 per year.
>
> Ergo you're not.  The power supply rating is the maximum it can sustain, 
> not the amount that actually whizzes through it constantly.  It's like a 
> speedo that reads up to 150mph when actually all you do is potter down the 
> shops.
>
> Most of the day I imagine one or both of your computers will not be in 
> active use.  If they go into stand-by mode, I doubt if they're using more 
> than 50 watts at most and probably significantly less.
>
> Even when they are in use, it's hard to see them using more than a hundred 
> or two.



This is true partially, but neither PC is in standby. There are 5 spun up 
hard drives, 1 Dual Core and 1 Quad Core CPU, 2 twin GPUs and three times 
more memory than before.

I still think that it's a major part of my elec bill: I saw my monthly 
consumption increase when I replaced the previous 2 PCs for these.

Another thing:

I used to be able to sit 2 PCs off my UPS. Now neither PC works on the UPS 
without it tripping out.

Light of Aria wrote:
> "Ed"  wrote in message
> news:7f6faa1f-84db-4ed9-84a5-9f26818f0da9@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today it
> says bills will go up 60% to over £1000.
>
> I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is £300 a year. Who
> here is spending over £600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll need
> to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over £1k?
>
>
>
> <<<
>
>
>
> For me, My electricity DD is £110 per month and Gas £50 per month.
>
> £1,320 + £600 = £1,920 per annum energy costs.
>
>
>
> I blame myself for having 2 PC's powered on all the time for the
> obscenely huge electricity bill.

Then you're beating yourself up wrongly.  Either you have a faulty meter, or 
you're using electricity for heating stuff.  Heaters, cookers, washing 
machines, kettles and dishwashers use far more than any PC.

See for example:

http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:24 +0100, "Light of Aria"
 wrote:

>
>"Norman Wells"  wrote in message 
>news:g5psnf$c7u$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> Light of Aria wrote:
>>> "Norman Wells"  wrote in message
>>> news:g5pmbg$6ce$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>>>> Light of Aria wrote:
>>>>> "Ed"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:7f6faa1f-84db-4ed9-84a5-9f26818f0da9@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> I blame myself for having 2 PC's powered on all the time for the
>>>>> obscenely huge electricity bill.
>>>>
>>>> Then you're beating yourself up wrongly.  Either you have a faulty
>>>> meter, or you're using electricity for heating stuff.  Heaters,
>>>> cookers, washing machines, kettles and dishwashers use far more than
>>>> any PC. See for example:
>>>>
>>>> http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555
>>>
>>>
>>> That would surprise me.
>>>
>>> My Dell T7400 Workstation has a 1KW power supply. My Dell M1730
>>> Laptop has a 230Watt power supply.
>>>
>>> Ergo, I am pissing away 1.23 Kilo Watt Hours / per hour @ an approx
>>> 10 p per unit = £2.95 per day = £1077 per year.
>>
>> Ergo you're not.  The power supply rating is the maximum it can sustain, 
>> not the amount that actually whizzes through it constantly.  It's like a 
>> speedo that reads up to 150mph when actually all you do is potter down the 
>> shops.
>>
>> Most of the day I imagine one or both of your computers will not be in 
>> active use.  If they go into stand-by mode, I doubt if they're using more 
>> than 50 watts at most and probably significantly less.
>>
>> Even when they are in use, it's hard to see them using more than a hundred 
>> or two.
>
>
>
>This is true partially, but neither PC is in standby. There are 5 spun up 
>hard drives, 1 Dual Core and 1 Quad Core CPU, 2 twin GPUs and three times 
>more memory than before.
>
>I still think that it's a major part of my elec bill: I saw my monthly 
>consumption increase when I replaced the previous 2 PCs for these.
>
>Another thing:
>
>I used to be able to sit 2 PCs off my UPS. Now neither PC works on the UPS 
>without it tripping out.
>
>

Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
gave above is surely wrong?

On Jul 18, 1:16 pm, anyhtinguwant@anywhereuwanttogoto wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:24 퍝, "Light of Aria"
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
>
> >"Norman Wells"  wrote in message
> >news:g5psnf$c7u$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> >> Light of Aria wrote:
> >>> "Norman Wells"  wrote in message
> >>>news:g5pmbg$6ce$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
> >>>> Light of Aria wrote:
> >>>>> "Ed"  wrote in message
> >>>>>news:7f6faa1f-84db-4ed9-84a5-9f26818f0da9@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>> I blame myself for having 2 PC's powered on all the time for the
> >>>>> obscenely huge electricity bill.
>
> >>>> Then you're beating yourself up wrongly.  Either you have a faulty
> >>>> meter, or you're using electricity for heating stuff.  Heaters,
> >>>> cookers, washing machines, kettles and dishwashers use far more than
> >>>> any PC. See for example:
>
> >>>>http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555
>
> >>> That would surprise me.
>
> >>> My Dell T7400 Workstation has a 1KW power supply. My Dell M1730
> >>> Laptop has a 230Watt power supply.
>
> >>> Ergo, I am pissing away 1.23 Kilo Watt Hours / per hour @ an approx
> >>> 10 p per unit = £2.95 per day = £1077 per year.
>
> >> Ergo you're not.  The power supply rating is the maximum it can sustain,
> >> not the amount that actually whizzes through it constantly.  It's like a
> >> speedo that reads up to 150mph when actually all you do is potter down the
> >> shops.
>
> >> Most of the day I imagine one or both of your computers will not be in
> >> active use.  If they go into stand-by mode, I doubt if they're using more
> >> than 50 watts at most and probably significantly less.
>
> >> Even when they are in use, it's hard to see them using more than a hundred
> >> or two.
>
> >This is true partially, but neither PC is in standby. There are 5 spun up
> >hard drives, 1 Dual Core and 1 Quad Core CPU, 2 twin GPUs and three times
> >more memory than before.
>
> >I still think that it's a major part of my elec bill: I saw my monthly
> >consumption increase when I replaced the previous 2 PCs for these.
>
> >Another thing:
>
> >I used to be able to sit 2 PCs off my UPS. Now neither PC works on the UPS
> >without it tripping out.
>
> Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
> the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
> you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
> gave above is surely wrong?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Get yourself a Wattson son!

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/03/diy-kyotos-wattson/

> 
> Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
> the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
> you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
> gave above is surely wrong? 

Or you could get hold of one of those 'Kill-a-Watt' meters to show 
exactly how many watts are being consumed:

http://tinyurl.com/58hzp9

I've recently built a new PC specifically to minimize the power draw. It 
  has got a high efficiency (>85%) PSU, Core2 cpu (usually less than 10 
watts) and a single 1T drive. Advantages are it runs silent (no fans, 
except for psu) and is very quiet.

On Jul 18, 1:32 pm, Brian Smith  wrote:
> > Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
> > the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
> > you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
> > gave above is surely wrong?
>
> Or you could get hold of one of those 'Kill-a-Watt' meters to show
> exactly how many watts are being consumed:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/58hzp9
>
> I've recently built a new PC specifically to minimize the power draw. It
>   has got a high efficiency (>85%) PSU, Core2 cpu (usually less than 10
> watts) and a single 1T drive. Advantages are it runs silent (no fans,
> except for psu) and is very quiet.

Silent AND very quiet! Wow!

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:33:29 -0700 (PDT), Ed
 wrote:

>On Jul 18, 1:16 pm, anyhtinguwant@anywhereuwanttogoto wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:55:24 +0100, "Light of Aria"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> >"Norman Wells"  wrote in message
>> >news:g5psnf$c7u$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> >> Light of Aria wrote:
>> >>> "Norman Wells"  wrote in message
>> >>>news:g5pmbg$6ce$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk...
>> >>>> Light of Aria wrote:
>> >>>>> "Ed"  wrote in message
>> >>>>>news:7f6faa1f-84db-4ed9-84a5-9f26818f0da9@r35g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>>>> I blame myself for having 2 PC's powered on all the time for the
>> >>>>> obscenely huge electricity bill.
>>
>> >>>> Then you're beating yourself up wrongly.  Either you have a faulty
>> >>>> meter, or you're using electricity for heating stuff.  Heaters,
>> >>>> cookers, washing machines, kettles and dishwashers use far more than
>> >>>> any PC. See for example:
>>
>> >>>>http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555
>>
>> >>> That would surprise me.
>>
>> >>> My Dell T7400 Workstation has a 1KW power supply. My Dell M1730
>> >>> Laptop has a 230Watt power supply.
>>
>> >>> Ergo, I am pissing away 1.23 Kilo Watt Hours / per hour @ an approx
>> >>> 10 p per unit = £2.95 per day = £1077 per year.
>>
>> >> Ergo you're not.  The power supply rating is the maximum it can sustain,
>> >> not the amount that actually whizzes through it constantly.  It's like a
>> >> speedo that reads up to 150mph when actually all you do is potter down the
>> >> shops.
>>
>> >> Most of the day I imagine one or both of your computers will not be in
>> >> active use.  If they go into stand-by mode, I doubt if they're using more
>> >> than 50 watts at most and probably significantly less.
>>
>> >> Even when they are in use, it's hard to see them using more than a hundred
>> >> or two.
>>
>> >This is true partially, but neither PC is in standby. There are 5 spun up
>> >hard drives, 1 Dual Core and 1 Quad Core CPU, 2 twin GPUs and three times
>> >more memory than before.
>>
>> >I still think that it's a major part of my elec bill: I saw my monthly
>> >consumption increase when I replaced the previous 2 PCs for these.
>>
>> >Another thing:
>>
>> >I used to be able to sit 2 PCs off my UPS. Now neither PC works on the UPS
>> >without it tripping out.
>>
>> Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
>> the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
>> you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
>> gave above is surely wrong?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Get yourself a Wattson son!
>
>http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/03/diy-kyotos-wattson/

A snip at a mere £350

Ed wrote:
> On Jul 18, 1:32 pm, Brian Smith  wrote:
>>> Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
>>> the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
>>> you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
>>> gave above is surely wrong?
>> Or you could get hold of one of those 'Kill-a-Watt' meters to show
>> exactly how many watts are being consumed:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/58hzp9
>>
>> I've recently built a new PC specifically to minimize the power draw. It
>>   has got a high efficiency (>85%) PSU, Core2 cpu (usually less than 10
>> watts) and a single 1T drive. Advantages are it runs silent (no fans,
>> except for psu) and is very quiet.
> 
> Silent AND very quiet! Wow!

Yea yea I know, meant to say silent and very cool (no watts being 
wasted). If you have a PC drawing a kilowatt, it is effectively an 
exotic electric fan heater. Nice in the winter but a pest in the summer.

"Ed"  wrote in message 
news:2d93e6a0-f446-4e80-bb70-78f0e62f748d@s21g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 18, 1:32 pm, Brian Smith  wrote:
> > Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
> > the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
> > you a true figure if you give it long enough . The calculation you
> > gave above is surely wrong?
>
> Or you could get hold of one of those 'Kill-a-Watt' meters to show
> exactly how many watts are being consumed:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/58hzp9
>
> I've recently built a new PC specifically to minimize the power draw. It
> has got a high efficiency (>85%) PSU, Core2 cpu (usually less than 10
> watts) and a single 1T drive. Advantages are it runs silent (no fans,
> except for psu) and is very quiet.

Silent AND very quiet! Wow!

<<<



My T7400 is quieter than its predecessor but its got about 5 different fans 
inside and sounds like wind tunnel at full speed.

More fool me, but I insisted on RAID 0 having had a disk failure being the 
main reason why I retired its predecessor.

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:37:00 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
wrote:

>On Jul 18, 1:32 pm, Brian Smith  wrote:
>> > Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
>> > the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
>> > you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
>> > gave above is surely wrong?
>>
>> Or you could get hold of one of those 'Kill-a-Watt' meters to show
>> exactly how many watts are being consumed:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/58hzp9
>>
>> I've recently built a new PC specifically to minimize the power draw. It
>>   has got a high efficiency (>85%) PSU, Core2 cpu (usually less than 10
>> watts) and a single 1T drive. Advantages are it runs silent (no fans,
>> except for psu) and is very quiet.
>
>Silent AND very quiet! Wow!

The sound board is broken?
-- 

Martin

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 13:52:35 +0100, Brian Smith  wrote:

>Ed wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 1:32 pm, Brian Smith  wrote:
>>>> Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
>>>> the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
>>>> you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
>>>> gave above is surely wrong?
>>> Or you could get hold of one of those 'Kill-a-Watt' meters to show
>>> exactly how many watts are being consumed:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/58hzp9
>>>
>>> I've recently built a new PC specifically to minimize the power draw. It
>>>   has got a high efficiency (>85%) PSU, Core2 cpu (usually less than 10
>>> watts) and a single 1T drive. Advantages are it runs silent (no fans,
>>> except for psu) and is very quiet.
>> 
>> Silent AND very quiet! Wow!
>
>Yea yea I know, meant to say silent and very cool (no watts being 
>wasted). If you have a PC drawing a kilowatt, it is effectively an 
>exotic electric fan heater. Nice in the winter but a pest in the summer.

Being made in China makes most fans exotic or were you thinking of exotic fan
dancers? :)
-- 

Martin

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:25:11 -0700, Ed wrote:

> Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today it
> says bills will go up 60% to over £1000.

Because New Labour shelved a report in 1997 which stated one thing we 
should do is build gas and oil storage. Bunsfield oil depot went up in 
smoke a few years back, did it get rebuilt, no.. nothing replaced it.

Whilst Europe has the ability to store months of gas and oil, we have 
about 2 weeks of storage. Europe can smooth out price fluctuations, 
buying our cheap gas in the summer, and selling it back at idiot prices 
because we have no storage. What a pathetic country and government this 
is.

Ed wrote:
> Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today it
> says bills will go up 60% to over £1000.
>
> I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is £300 a year. Who
> here is spending over £600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll need
> to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over £1k?

Do you have gas central heating?
-- 
John Dean
Oxford

"Ed"  wrote in message 
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Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today it
says bills will go up 60% to over £1000.

I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is £300 a year. Who
here is spending over £600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll need
to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over £1k?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Someone who's house isn't very well insulated.

tim

(Not looking forward to the winter, my house is ****ing freezing now!)

On 18 Jul, 17:00, "John Dean"  wrote:
> Ed wrote:
> > Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today it
> > says bills will go up 60% to over �1000.
>
> > I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is �300 a year. Who
> > here is spending over �600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll need
> > to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over �1k?
>
> Do you have gas central heating?
YEs

we have good insulation and a new ish boiler

Ed wrote:
> On 18 Jul, 17:00, "John Dean"  wrote:
>> Ed wrote:
>>> Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today
>>> it says bills will go up 60% to over �1000.
>>
>>> I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is �300 a year. Who
>>> here is spending over �600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll
>>> need to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over �1k?
>>
>> Do you have gas central heating?
> YEs
>
> we have good insulation and a new ish boiler

I've been looking for an ish boiler.  Where did you get it?

On 18 Jul, 21:32, "Norman Wells"  wrote:
> Ed wrote:
> > On 18 Jul, 17:00, "John Dean"  wrote:
> >> Ed wrote:
> >>> Some people are spending a heck of a lot on gas. In the news today
> >>> it says bills will go up 60% to over �1000.
>
> >>> I live in a modest 3 bed semi, but my gas bill is �300 a year. Who
> >>> here is spending over �600 a year on gas, cos that's what you'll
> >>> need to be spending to make a 60% increase take your bill over �1k?
>
> >> Do you have gas central heating?
> > YEs
>
> > we have good insulation and a new ish boiler
>
> I've been looking for an ish boiler.  Where did you get it?

bloke.

In article , me@address.invalid 
says...
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 05:37:00 -0700 (PDT), Ed 
> wrote:
> 
> >On Jul 18, 1:32 pm, Brian Smith  wrote:
> >> > Swich everything else off and check your meter reading then run only
> >> > the PC(s) for a while and then read the meter again .That should give
> >> > you a true figure if you give it long enough .  The calculation you
> >> > gave above is surely wrong?
> >>
> >> Or you could get hold of one of those 'Kill-a-Watt' meters to show
> >> exactly how many watts are being consumed:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/58hzp9
> >>
> >> I've recently built a new PC specifically to minimize the power draw. It
> >>   has got a high efficiency (>85%) PSU, Core2 cpu (usually less than 10
> >> watts) and a single 1T drive. Advantages are it runs silent (no fans,
> >> except for psu) and is very quiet.
> >
> >Silent AND very quiet! Wow!
> 
> The sound board is broken?
> 
:)

Neither of my two PCs make any noise, but my Mum's PC (also from Medion) and 
bought a year after my oldest one, so is about 4 years old, sounds like an 
aircraft hanger taking off.

I think it's the fan on the CPU but it's a non-standard diameter so I couldn't 
find a replacement at the time and she's just lived with it as (a) it's not on 
all the time and (b) it's not sat directly next to her head, so not at all 
like mine.
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Dom Robinson wrote:
>
> Neither of my two PCs make any noise, but my Mum's PC (also from
> Medion) and bought a year after my oldest one, so is about 4 years
> old, sounds like an aircraft hanger taking off.

I don't think I've ever heard an aircraft hangar taking off.  Can you 
describe it?

Norman Wells wrote:
> Dom Robinson wrote:
>>
>> Neither of my two PCs make any noise, but my Mum's PC (also from
>> Medion) and bought a year after my oldest one, so is about 4 years
>> old, sounds like an aircraft hanger taking off.
> 
> I don't think I've ever heard an aircraft hangar taking off.  Can you 
> describe it?

It's a bit like the fan on a noisy PC.

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Neil Hopkins wrote:
> Norman Wells wrote:
>> Dom Robinson wrote:
>>> 
>>> Neither of my two PCs make any noise, but my Mum's PC (also from
>>> Medion) and bought a year after my oldest one, so is about 4 years
>>> old, sounds like an aircraft hanger taking off.
>> 
>> I don't think I've ever heard an aircraft hangar taking off.  Can you
>> describe it?
> 
> It's a bit like the fan on a noisy PC.

Ok, but can you tell me how low they fly so that I can avoid them?

In article <g5sa3i$ib5$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>, norman@myarl.co.uk 
says...
> Dom Robinson wrote:
> >
> > Neither of my two PCs make any noise, but my Mum's PC (also from
> > Medion) and bought a year after my oldest one, so is about 4 years
> > old, sounds like an aircraft hanger taking off.
> 
> I don't think I've ever heard an aircraft hangar taking off.  Can you 
> describe it? 
> 
Heh heh :)

Well, it's fucking noisy! :)
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In article , neil_hopkins@hotmail.com 
says...
> Norman Wells wrote:
> > Dom Robinson wrote:
> >>
> >> Neither of my two PCs make any noise, but my Mum's PC (also from
> >> Medion) and bought a year after my oldest one, so is about 4 years
> >> old, sounds like an aircraft hanger taking off.
> > 
> > I don't think I've ever heard an aircraft hangar taking off.  Can you 
> > describe it?
> 
> It's a bit like the fan on a noisy PC.
> 
And if you're in the Manchester area and you hear that noise, you'll know my 
Mum's sending an email :)
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On 18 Jul, 15:18, Ar  wrote:

> Because New Labour shelved a report in 1997 which stated one thing we
> should do is build gas and oil storage. Bunsfield oil depot went up in
> smoke a few years back, did it get rebuilt, no.. nothing replaced it.

They have applied for planning permission to rebuild tanks on the
site:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jun/28/consumeraffairs.houseprices

Old people.

My dad's house is like a turkish bath the heating gets switched on
even in the bloody summer.

But then like a lot old people with heart problems he's on daily
asprin and other stuff in the same category.

Apparently, makes you feel cold all the time.

allan tracy wrote:
> Old people.
>
> My dad's house is like a turkish bath the heating gets switched on
> even in the bloody summer.
>
> But then like a lot old people with heart problems he's on daily
> asprin and other stuff in the same category.
>
> Apparently, makes you feel cold all the time.

One of the head bummers of the gas company (millionare) says that people who 
are having problems with their gas bill should put on two jumpers!!!

I know what I would like to do with those jumpers!

-- 
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In ,
davidmcn@gmail.com wrote:

>On 18 Jul, 15:18, Ar  wrote:
>
>> Because New Labour shelved a report in 1997 which stated one thing we
>> should do is build gas and oil storage. Bunsfield oil depot went up in
>> smoke a few years back, did it get rebuilt, no.. nothing replaced it.
>
>They have applied for planning permission to rebuild tanks on the
>site:
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jun/28/consumeraffairs.houseprices

Why would you even need planning permission to replace what was there?
It's not exactly a change of use?

On 20 Jul, 14:48, Mike Henry <{$mrtickl...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Why would you even need planning permission to replace what was there?
> It's not exactly a change of use?

They probably wouldn't if they're rebuilding *exactly* what was there
before, but I would guess any change in number or size of tanks etc
would need fresh permission.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:09:49 +0100, "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote:

>allan tracy wrote:
>> Old people.
>>
>> My dad's house is like a turkish bath the heating gets switched on
>> even in the bloody summer.
>>
>> But then like a lot old people with heart problems he's on daily
>> asprin and other stuff in the same category.
>>
>> Apparently, makes you feel cold all the time.
>
>One of the head bummers of the gas company (millionare) says that people who 
>are having problems with their gas bill should put on two jumpers!!!
>
>I know what I would like to do with those jumpers!

other than hide your puppies in them?
-- 

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On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:48:41 +0100, Mike Henry <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In ,
>davidmcn@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On 18 Jul, 15:18, Ar  wrote:
>>
>>> Because New Labour shelved a report in 1997 which stated one thing we
>>> should do is build gas and oil storage. Bunsfield oil depot went up in
>>> smoke a few years back, did it get rebuilt, no.. nothing replaced it.
>>
>>They have applied for planning permission to rebuild tanks on the
>>site:
>>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jun/28/consumeraffairs.houseprices
>
>Why would you even need planning permission to replace what was there?
>It's not exactly a change of use?

Poking around I found on the Rydale Council site the documents submitted in a
planning request to build a Lidl store in Pickering. Larf!
-- 

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In article , 
thunderbird57303@hotmail.com says...
> 
> Old people.
> 
> My dad's house is like a turkish bath the heating gets switched on
> even in the bloody summer.
> 
> But then like a lot old people with heart problems he's on daily
> asprin and other stuff in the same category.
> 
> Apparently, makes you feel cold all the time.

None of my tablets make me feel cold, but then I'm mostly a warm-blooded 
person.

Whenever I have a change in my medication I get a bit of hypertension, usually 
because I'm taking some of it at a different time of day than I'm used to (eg. 
I'm now up to 40mg - the maximum, from 30mg - of Lisinopril a day, so 20mg has 
to be taken in the morning.

If hypertension kicks in, then during the first couple of hours at work it 
feels like I'm tripping on something illegal. And then eating an orange around 
2pm makes that feeling kick in again for another hour or so. I call those days 
"good days" :)
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wrote in message 
news:69bd05bc-ae64-4e3f-a71c-a2433b828008@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> On 20 Jul, 14:48, Mike Henry <{$mrtickl...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Why would you even need planning permission to replace what was there?
>> It's not exactly a change of use?
>
> They probably wouldn't if they're rebuilding *exactly* what was there
> before, but I would guess any change in number or size of tanks etc
> would need fresh permission.

And you can imagine the questions they were asked.

Are these tanks likely to catch fire and blow up?
Or no no no no, goodness me no!
Never in a million years....
-- 
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Steal a spaceship and head for the sun,
Shoot the stars with a lemonade ray gun.

Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:48:41 +0100, Mike Henry
> <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In ,
>> davidmcn@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 Jul, 15:18, Ar  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Because New Labour shelved a report in 1997 which stated one thing
>>>> we should do is build gas and oil storage. Bunsfield oil depot
>>>> went up in smoke a few years back, did it get rebuilt, no..
>>>> nothing replaced it.
>>>
>>> They have applied for planning permission to rebuild tanks on the
>>> site:
>>>
>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jun/28/consumeraffairs.houseprices
>>
>> Why would you even need planning permission to replace what was
>> there? It's not exactly a change of use?
>
> Poking around I found on the Rydale Council site the documents
> submitted in a planning request to build a Lidl store in Pickering.
> Larf!

They already have two supermarkets.  For such a small place...........

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:21:32 +0100, "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:48:41 +0100, Mike Henry
>> <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In ,
>>> davidmcn@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18 Jul, 15:18, Ar  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Because New Labour shelved a report in 1997 which stated one thing
>>>>> we should do is build gas and oil storage. Bunsfield oil depot
>>>>> went up in smoke a few years back, did it get rebuilt, no..
>>>>> nothing replaced it.
>>>>
>>>> They have applied for planning permission to rebuild tanks on the
>>>> site:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jun/28/consumeraffairs.houseprices
>>>
>>> Why would you even need planning permission to replace what was
>>> there? It's not exactly a change of use?
>>
>> Poking around I found on the Rydale Council site the documents
>> submitted in a planning request to build a Lidl store in Pickering.
>> Larf!
>
>They already have two supermarkets.  For such a small place........... 

Nah the first one changed it's name to The Co-op The very first document on the
site is a handwritten letter begging for a new supermarket to break the Co-op's
monopoly. For some odd reason it is in gothic script and signed Fraulein Eva
Lidl-Braun-Cow ( not really). They are trying to set it up in the gap that has
been reserved in cars the railway is restored to it's old route. Years ago
Sainsbury's or Tescos request for planning permission for the same site
rejected.

I'll see if I can find the link to the documents. We could even add to them. Do
you know the only cinema in Pickering has recently closed for ever?
-- 

Martin

Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:21:32 +0100, "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Martin wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:48:41 +0100, Mike Henry
>>> <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In
>>>> ,
>>>> davidmcn@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18 Jul, 15:18, Ar  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Because New Labour shelved a report in 1997 which stated one
>>>>>> thing we should do is build gas and oil storage. Bunsfield oil
>>>>>> depot went up in smoke a few years back, did it get rebuilt, no..
>>>>>> nothing replaced it.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have applied for planning permission to rebuild tanks on the
>>>>> site:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jun/28/consumeraffairs.houseprices
>>>>
>>>> Why would you even need planning permission to replace what was
>>>> there? It's not exactly a change of use?
>>>
>>> Poking around I found on the Rydale Council site the documents
>>> submitted in a planning request to build a Lidl store in Pickering.
>>> Larf!
>>
>> They already have two supermarkets.  For such a small
>> place...........
>
> Nah the first one changed it's name to The Co-op The very first
> document on the site is a handwritten letter begging for a new
> supermarket to break the Co-op's monopoly. For some odd reason it is
> in gothic script and signed Fraulein Eva Lidl-Braun-Cow ( not
> really).

<G>

They are trying to set it up in the gap that has been
> reserved in cars the railway is restored to it's old route. Years ago
> Sainsbury's or Tescos request for planning permission for the same
> site rejected.
>
> I'll see if I can find the link to the documents. We could even add
> to them. Do you know the only cinema in Pickering has recently closed
> for ever?

No I didn't. But I have never used it anway:(

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:43:38 +0100, "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:21:32 +0100, "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Martin wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:48:41 +0100, Mike Henry
>>>> <{$mrtickle$}@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In
>>>>> ,
>>>>> davidmcn@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Jul, 15:18, Ar  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because New Labour shelved a report in 1997 which stated one
>>>>>>> thing we should do is build gas and oil storage. Bunsfield oil
>>>>>>> depot went up in smoke a few years back, did it get rebuilt, no..
>>>>>>> nothing replaced it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have applied for planning permission to rebuild tanks on the
>>>>>> site:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2008/jun/28/consumeraffairs.houseprices
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you even need planning permission to replace what was
>>>>> there? It's not exactly a change of use?
>>>>
>>>> Poking around I found on the Rydale Council site the documents
>>>> submitted in a planning request to build a Lidl store in Pickering.
>>>> Larf!
>>>
>>> They already have two supermarkets.  For such a small
>>> place...........
>>
>> Nah the first one changed it's name to The Co-op The very first
>> document on the site is a handwritten letter begging for a new
>> supermarket to break the Co-op's monopoly. For some odd reason it is
>> in gothic script and signed Fraulein Eva Lidl-Braun-Cow ( not
>> really).
>
><G>
>
>They are trying to set it up in the gap that has been
>> reserved in cars the railway is restored to it's old route. Years ago
>> Sainsbury's or Tescos request for planning permission for the same
>> site rejected.
>>
>> I'll see if I can find the link to the documents. We could even add
>> to them. Do you know the only cinema in Pickering has recently closed
>> for ever?
>
>No I didn't. But I have never used it anway:( 
>

We went there one Christmas with my daughter to see Labyrinth when she was about
3. She enjoyed it so much she refused to leave. She screamed and screamed. It's
been a family joke ever since.
-- 

Martin

Martin wrote:
>>> I'll see if I can find the link to the documents. We could even add
>>> to them. Do you know the only cinema in Pickering has recently
>>> closed for ever?
>>
>> No I didn't. But I have never used it anway:(
>>
>
> We went there one Christmas with my daughter to see Labyrinth when
> she was about
> 3. She enjoyed it so much she refused to leave. She screamed and
> screamed. It's been a family joke ever since.

Awwwwwwwwwwwww:)

Apologies to anyone who has seen this before:

We used to live in Aviemore. One day we decided to go to the cinema because
The Full Monty was on.  Just to let you know, this is a fairly small cinema 
but even we
were surprised.  We waited at the door and it was opened by a very pleasant
young man.  He let us in and shot around to the paybox. We got our tickets
and wondered over to the sweetie counter.  Yep, there he was:)

We got comfortable in our seats and muched our sweeties and waited for
someone else to arrived.  No one arrived.  We were alone!!  We wondered if 
we
might be offered our money back and asked to leave. But no!  We had our own
private viewing:)))  It seems that so long as there are people there, they
will show the film:))

Oh btw, the young man was the projectionist too:))

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:27:26 +0100, "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote:

>Martin wrote:
>>>> I'll see if I can find the link to the documents. We could even add
>>>> to them. Do you know the only cinema in Pickering has recently
>>>> closed for ever?
>>>
>>> No I didn't. But I have never used it anway:(
>>>
>>
>> We went there one Christmas with my daughter to see Labyrinth when
>> she was about
>> 3. She enjoyed it so much she refused to leave. She screamed and
>> screamed. It's been a family joke ever since.
>
>Awwwwwwwwwwwww:)
>
>Apologies to anyone who has seen this before:
>
>We used to live in Aviemore. One day we decided to go to the cinema because
>The Full Monty was on.  Just to let you know, this is a fairly small cinema 
>but even we
>were surprised.  We waited at the door and it was opened by a very pleasant
>young man.  He let us in and shot around to the paybox. We got our tickets
>and wondered over to the sweetie counter.  Yep, there he was:)
>
>We got comfortable in our seats and muched our sweeties and waited for
>someone else to arrived.  No one arrived.  We were alone!!  We wondered if 
>we
>might be offered our money back and asked to leave. But no!  We had our own
>private viewing:)))  It seems that so long as there are people there, they
>will show the film:))
>
>Oh btw, the young man was the projectionist too:))
>

There's a cinema in Leiden with a bar at the back, if you order a beer it is
passed along the row to you. A certain amount of loud whispering is involved.
-- 

Martin

In article , me@address.invalid 
says...
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:27:26 +0100, "Ophelia" <Opheilia@nix,co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >Martin wrote:
> >>>> I'll see if I can find the link to the documents. We could even add
> >>>> to them. Do you know the only cinema in Pickering has recently
> >>>> closed for ever?
> >>>
> >>> No I didn't. But I have never used it anway:(
> >>>
> >>
> >> We went there one Christmas with my daughter to see Labyrinth when
> >> she was about
> >> 3. She enjoyed it so much she refused to leave. She screamed and
> >> screamed. It's been a family joke ever since.
> >
> >Awwwwwwwwwwwww:)
> >
> >Apologies to anyone who has seen this before:
> >
> >We used to live in Aviemore. One day we decided to go to the cinema because
> >The Full Monty was on.  Just to let you know, this is a fairly small cinema 
> >but even we
> >were surprised.  We waited at the door and it was opened by a very pleasant
> >young man.  He let us in and shot around to the paybox. We got our tickets
> >and wondered over to the sweetie counter.  Yep, there he was:)
> >
> >We got comfortable in our seats and muched our sweeties and waited for
> >someone else to arrived.  No one arrived.  We were alone!!  We wondered if 
> >we
> >might be offered our money back and asked to leave. But no!  We had our own
> >private viewing:)))  It seems that so long as there are people there, they
> >will show the film:))
> >
> >Oh btw, the young man was the projectionist too:))
> >
> 
> There's a cinema in Leiden with a bar at the back, if you order a beer it is
> passed along the row to you. A certain amount of loud whispering is involved.
> 
With everyone else in the row dipping their pissy hands into your drink.
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