I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on the ITV 
digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know *how* many 
times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV so clueless or 
un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their archive they have 
the right to show?

Why do they do this?

Sofa - Spud wrote:
> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on the
> ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know *how*
> many times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV so
> clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their
> archive they have the right to show?
>
> Why do they do this?

Just be thankful that they showed "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and not "Pearl 
Harbor".

-- 
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

"Enzo Matrix"  wrote in message 
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> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on the
>> ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know *how*
>> many times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV so
>> clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their
>> archive they have the right to show?
>>
>> Why do they do this?
>
> Just be thankful that they showed "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and not "Pearl 
> Harbor".
>
> -- 
> Enzo
>
> I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
>
>
>


LOL! Very true.

Light of Aria wrote:
> 
> "Enzo Matrix"  wrote in message 
> news:g48fop$8ns$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on the
>>> ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know *how*
>>> many times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV so
>>> clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their
>>> archive they have the right to show?
>>>
>>> Why do they do this?
>>
>> Just be thankful that they showed "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and not "Pearl 
>> Harbor".
>>
>> -- 
>> Enzo
>>
>> I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> LOL! Very true.
> 
> 

But if they did would they show it once a week for six months? Why do 
they do this with these two films?

"Sofa - Spud"  wrote in message
news:g48ev2$u9m$5@aioe.org...
> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on the ITV
> digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know *how* many
> times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV so clueless or
> un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their archive they have
> the right to show?
>
> Why do they do this?

I enjoyed it. It was well acted and scripted, and as far as I can tell
fairly historically accurate. Also, I can't think of any other film where
quite so much big stuff gets blown up, and it looks like they came pretty
close to blowing up some extras. Much better than CGI.

Simon wrote:
> "Sofa - Spud"  wrote in message
> news:g48ev2$u9m$5@aioe.org...
>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on the ITV
>> digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know *how* many
>> times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV so clueless or
>> un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their archive they have
>> the right to show?
>>
>> Why do they do this?
> 
> I enjoyed it. It was well acted and scripted, and as far as I can tell
> fairly historically accurate. Also, I can't think of any other film where
> quite so much big stuff gets blown up, and it looks like they came pretty
> close to blowing up some extras. Much better than CGI.
> 
> 

It was good the first time but they've shown it at least once a week on 
ITV2/3/4 for the last 6 months - this is what I want to know, why??

Sofa - Spud wrote:
> Light of Aria wrote:
>>
>> "Enzo Matrix"  wrote in message
>> news:g48fop$8ns$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on
>>>> the ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know
>>>> *how* many times these two films have been shown this year? are
>>>> ITV so clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in
>>>> their archive they have the right to show?
>>>>
>>>> Why do they do this?
>>>
>>> Just be thankful that they showed "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and not "Pearl
>>> Harbor".
>>
>>
>> LOL! Very true.
>>
>>
>
> But if they did would they show it once a week for six months? Why do
> they do this with these two films?

I think they are quite interesting because you get to see a lot of aircraft 
types that didn't actually take part in the battles.  This is especially 
true in "Midway", which uses a lot of footage of F6F Hellcats and F4U 
Corsairs, which didn't enter service with the US Navy until more than a year 
after the battle.  The sequence where Charlton Heston crashes his SBD 
Dauntless on the carrier rounddown is even worse, as his plane is an SB2C 
Helldiver as it approaches the ship and an F9F Panther (a *jet* fighter from 
the Korean war) as it explodes!  I also have to wonder what German 
Messerschmitts and Heinkels were dong in the middle of the Pacific!

-- 
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

<uk.media.tv.misc>
<Sofa - Spud>
<Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:48:55 +0100>
<g48hu9$a5p$2@aioe.org>

> It was good the first time but they've shown it at least once a week on 
> ITV2/3/4 for the last 6 months - this is what I want to know, why??
> 

For the same reason the bbc show the 'under siege' films every couple of 
weeks .

However - what that reason is - is only known to the tv networks .
 

-- 
www.krustov.co.uk

Enzo Matrix wrote:
> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>> Light of Aria wrote:
>>> "Enzo Matrix"  wrote in message
>>> news:g48fop$8ns$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>>>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on
>>>>> the ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know
>>>>> *how* many times these two films have been shown this year? are
>>>>> ITV so clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in
>>>>> their archive they have the right to show?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do they do this?
>>>> Just be thankful that they showed "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and not "Pearl
>>>> Harbor".
>>>
>>> LOL! Very true.
>>>
>>>
>> But if they did would they show it once a week for six months? Why do
>> they do this with these two films?
> 
> I think they are quite interesting because you get to see a lot of aircraft 
> types that didn't actually take part in the battles.  This is especially 
> true in "Midway", which uses a lot of footage of F6F Hellcats and F4U 
> Corsairs, which didn't enter service with the US Navy until more than a year 
> after the battle.  The sequence where Charlton Heston crashes his SBD 
> Dauntless on the carrier rounddown is even worse, as his plane is an SB2C 
> Helldiver as it approaches the ship and an F9F Panther (a *jet* fighter from 
> the Korean war) as it explodes!  I also have to wonder what German 
> Messerschmitts and Heinkels were dong in the middle of the Pacific!

Were some of the carrier-crashes actual newsreel footage, dressed up and 
colourised to fit in with the action?

IIRC, "The Battle Of Midway" used the same sequences.

Enzo Matrix wrote:
> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>> Light of Aria wrote:
>>> "Enzo Matrix"  wrote in message
>>> news:g48fop$8ns$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>>>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on
>>>>> the ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know
>>>>> *how* many times these two films have been shown this year? are
>>>>> ITV so clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in
>>>>> their archive they have the right to show?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do they do this?
>>>> Just be thankful that they showed "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and not "Pearl
>>>> Harbor".
>>>
>>> LOL! Very true.
>>>
>>>
>> But if they did would they show it once a week for six months? Why do
>> they do this with these two films?
> 
OK I give in:)

I remember something that it wasn't Tor Tora Tora they radioed as they 
didn't have speech radio but they had morse and the code for the attack 
success was To Ra , repeated.

> I think they are quite interesting because you get to see a lot of aircraft 
> types that didn't actually take part in the battles.  This is especially 
> true in "Midway", which uses a lot of footage of F6F Hellcats and F4U 
> Corsairs, which didn't enter service with the US Navy until more than a year 
> after the battle.

I suppose there is a deficit of footage - some good footage of B17's 
though some of it was much later ones obviously crashing one wheel down 
in the UK.

   The sequence where Charlton Heston crashes his SBD
> Dauntless on the carrier rounddown is even worse, as his plane is an SB2C 
> Helldiver as it approaches the ship and an F9F Panther (a *jet* fighter from 
> the Korean war) as it explodes!

Ahh *that* footage - IIRC I read that the F9F was prone to ruptured 
on-board fuel tanks in heavy deck landings, already an overweight 
underpowered plane further strengthening of undercarriage wasn't an 
option. The early 50's gave rise to some superb ideas(well they looked 
good!) in turboprop/jet hybrids to get round early poor jet engine 
performance.

   I also have to wonder what German
> Messerschmitts and Heinkels were dong in the middle of the Pacific!
> 

It's been ages since I saw it all the way through - is it repeated?

On 29 Jun, 17:58, Sofa - Spud  wrote:
> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on the ITV
> digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know *how* many
> times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV so clueless or
> un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their archive they have
> the right to show?
>

I'll have you know this was voted 'Aircraft Illustrated' all time
great thanks to the rather excellent flying scenes.

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:01:06 +0100, Krustov wrote:

> For the same reason the bbc show the 'under siege' films every couple of
> weeks .

To be fair to the BBC, there must be ONE straight guy in the BBC that 
likes Erika Eleniak's breasts he keeps showing the film.

allan tracy wrote:
> On 29 Jun, 17:58, Sofa - Spud  wrote:
>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on the ITV
>> digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know *how* many
>> times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV so clueless or
>> un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their archive they have
>> the right to show?
>>
> 
> I'll have you know this was voted 'Aircraft Illustrated' all time
> great thanks to the rather excellent flying scenes.

Might have been but why show it *all* the time - this and Midway . Shown 
endlessly - it's as though they think no one will notice.

Ar wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:01:06 +0100, Krustov wrote:
> 
>> For the same reason the bbc show the 'under siege' films every couple of
>> weeks .
> 
> To be fair to the BBC, there must be ONE straight guy in the BBC that 
> likes Erika Eleniak's breasts he keeps showing the film.

Can't watch the one on the battleship for the knife fight at the end - 
the cling clang of the knives is just silly

Sofa - Spud wrote:
> Simon wrote:
>> "Sofa - Spud"  wrote in message
>> news:g48ev2$u9m$5@aioe.org...
>>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on
>>> the ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know
>>> *how* many times these two films have been shown this year? are ITV
>>> so clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in their
>>> archive they have the right to show?
>>>
>>> Why do they do this?
>>
>> I enjoyed it. It was well acted and scripted, and as far as I can
>> tell fairly historically accurate. Also, I can't think of any other
>> film where quite so much big stuff gets blown up, and it looks like
>> they came pretty close to blowing up some extras. Much better than
>> CGI.
>
> It was good the first time but they've shown it at least once a week
> on ITV2/3/4 for the last 6 months - this is what I want to know, why??

Because they *can* !  ;-)

They obviously see it as filler, but at least it is good filler.

-- 
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

JNugent wrote:
> Enzo Matrix wrote:
>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>> Light of Aria wrote:
>>>> "Enzo Matrix"  wrote in message
>>>> news:g48fop$8ns$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>>>>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on
>>>>>> the ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know
>>>>>> *how* many times these two films have been shown this year? are
>>>>>> ITV so clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in
>>>>>> their archive they have the right to show?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do they do this?
>>>>> Just be thankful that they showed "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and not
>>>>> "Pearl Harbor".
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Very true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But if they did would they show it once a week for six months? Why
>>> do they do this with these two films?
>>
>> I think they are quite interesting because you get to see a lot of
>> aircraft types that didn't actually take part in the battles.  This
>> is especially true in "Midway", which uses a lot of footage of F6F
>> Hellcats and F4U Corsairs, which didn't enter service with the US
>> Navy until more than a year after the battle.  The sequence where
>> Charlton Heston crashes his SBD Dauntless on the carrier rounddown
>> is even worse, as his plane is an SB2C Helldiver as it approaches
>> the ship and an F9F Panther (a *jet* fighter from the Korean war) as
>> it explodes!  I also have to wonder what German Messerschmitts and
>> Heinkels were dong in the middle of the Pacific!
>
> Were some of the carrier-crashes actual newsreel footage, dressed up
> and colourised to fit in with the action?

Indeed they were, although they were not colourised.  The producers (of 
"Midway" especially) wanted to use period colour film, which explains the 
inaccuracies where F6Fs and F4Us are concerned.  There isn't much period 
colour footage of F4Fs and F2As.

> IIRC, "The Battle Of Midway" used the same sequences.

"Midway" used footage from both "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and "Battle Of Britain".

-- 
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Sofa - Spud wrote:
> Enzo Matrix wrote:
>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>> Light of Aria wrote:
>>>> "Enzo Matrix"  wrote in message
>>>> news:g48fop$8ns$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>>> Sofa - Spud wrote:
>>>>>> I see this was on this afternoon. It's been on loads of times on
>>>>>> the ITV digital channels along with Battle of Midway. Anyone know
>>>>>> *how* many times these two films have been shown this year? are
>>>>>> ITV so clueless or un bothered by this? Imagine all the films in
>>>>>> their archive they have the right to show?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do they do this?
>>>>> Just be thankful that they showed "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and not
>>>>> "Pearl Harbor".
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Very true.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But if they did would they show it once a week for six months? Why
>>> do they do this with these two films?
>>
> OK I give in:)
>
> I remember something that it wasn't Tor Tora Tora they radioed as they
> didn't have speech radio but they had morse and the code for the
> attack success was To Ra , repeated.
>
>> I think they are quite interesting because you get to see a lot of
>> aircraft types that didn't actually take part in the battles.  This
>> is especially true in "Midway", which uses a lot of footage of F6F
>> Hellcats and F4U Corsairs, which didn't enter service with the US
>> Navy until more than a year after the battle.
>
> I suppose there is a deficit of footage - some good footage of B17's
> though some of it was much later ones obviously crashing one wheel
> down in the UK.
>
>   The sequence where Charlton Heston crashes his SBD
>> Dauntless on the carrier rounddown is even worse, as his plane is an
>> SB2C Helldiver as it approaches the ship and an F9F Panther (a *jet*
>> fighter from the Korean war) as it explodes!
>
> Ahh *that* footage - IIRC I read that the F9F was prone to ruptured
> on-board fuel tanks in heavy deck landings, already an overweight
> underpowered plane further strengthening of undercarriage wasn't an
> option. The early 50's gave rise to some superb ideas(well they looked
> good!) in turboprop/jet hybrids to get round early poor jet engine
> performance.

The crash that we see was actually non-fatal in real life.  Astonishing!


>   I also have to wonder what German
>> Messerschmitts and Heinkels were dong in the middle of the Pacific!
>>
>
> It's been ages since I saw it all the way through - is it repeated?

LOL

-- 
Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.