Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
TV/Phone and Broadband.

Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?

I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?


Thanks

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


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> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


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> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


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> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


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> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


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> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


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> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


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> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


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> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

On 28 Jun 2007 18:58:12 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I presume I would need a cable modem
>
>VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
>ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.
>
>> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
>(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
>modem!).

I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
saying I could still use the router part of that?

>I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
>and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
>stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
>just too unreliable :-(

Yes I'd rather pay a little more and do without the hassle.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
 wrote:

>> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
>> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
>> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>>
>> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
>> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>>
>> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
>> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
>If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
>simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
>though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
>digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
>dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
>picture quality).

That's how I have the existing Sky setup, but for this idea I was
wondering how one could do the cable into separate rooms and be
independent of each other, avoiding the £10pm extra set top boxes.

But then if it's highly illegal I don't want that either.

>The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
>so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
>Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
>a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
>connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
>sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

Which I already have with my BT line, so I cant utilize that in any
way?

>www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
>http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.
>
>As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
>think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
>provider around.
>
>If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
>direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
>(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 

I hate BT with a passion (long story) It'll be a pleasure telling them
to shove it.

>Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
>Call 18185 for most other calls.

I hate Finerea with a passion, they have also stuffed my service up
and taken double payments etc, so I cant wait to tell them to shove it
as well! ;-)

>You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
>connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
>for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
>choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
>the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
>daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

That looks about the same sort of pricing as the Virgin pack I am
talking about.

>A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
>enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
>connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
>lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
>number and same provider.

That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
separated our calls so no arguments.

Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.

>VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
>Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.

Thanks

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


-- 
60 day free DVD rental: www.southeastbirmingham.co.uk/dvd
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/signage

> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

On 28 Jun 2007 18:58:12 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I presume I would need a cable modem
>
>VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
>ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.
>
>> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
>(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
>modem!).

I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
saying I could still use the router part of that?

>I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
>and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
>stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
>just too unreliable :-(

Yes I'd rather pay a little more and do without the hassle.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
 wrote:

>> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
>> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
>> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>>
>> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
>> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>>
>> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
>> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
>If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
>simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
>though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
>digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
>dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
>picture quality).

That's how I have the existing Sky setup, but for this idea I was
wondering how one could do the cable into separate rooms and be
independent of each other, avoiding the £10pm extra set top boxes.

But then if it's highly illegal I don't want that either.

>The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
>so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
>Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
>a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
>connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
>sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

Which I already have with my BT line, so I cant utilize that in any
way?

>www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
>http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.
>
>As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
>think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
>provider around.
>
>If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
>direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
>(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 

I hate BT with a passion (long story) It'll be a pleasure telling them
to shove it.

>Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
>Call 18185 for most other calls.

I hate Finerea with a passion, they have also stuffed my service up
and taken double payments etc, so I cant wait to tell them to shove it
as well! ;-)

>You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
>connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
>for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
>choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
>the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
>daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

That looks about the same sort of pricing as the Virgin pack I am
talking about.

>A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
>enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
>connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
>lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
>number and same provider.

That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
separated our calls so no arguments.

Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.

>VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
>Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.

Thanks

> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
> saying I could still use the router part of that?

The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
use it!

This thread ...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/87/25883-netgear-mr814-v2-problem.html

.... talks about connection problems.

In my experience, you shouldn't let your wireless 'dongles' be controlled 
by the manufacturers software, but rather let Windows handle the connection 
exclusively (for cable). I've found that when the IP lease expires that 
supplied software fails to aquire a new connection and you get nothing but 
"connection unavailable" messages. Windows XP works fine on its own when 
using the "Use Windows ..." setting.

Good luck :-)

Al.

On 29 Jun 2007 17:55:19 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
>> saying I could still use the router part of that?
>
>The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
>use it!

Sorry, it's a DG834 V3 wired router/modem

Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>> A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply
>> enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you
>> can connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.
>> With 2 lines you can have different numbers and different providers,
>> or same number and same provider.
>
> That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
> keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
> arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
> separated our calls so no arguments.
>
> Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
> nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.
>
>> VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR,
>> 3-Way Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting
>> call, etc.
>
> Thanks

No, the whole idea of an ATA is so you don't need the PC to be on at 
all.

Maybe you were thinking of Skype Hype, where for 99% of their devices 
you need a PC to be on.

£20 for VoIP.co.uk is the price for the whole year, not per month.

It's up to you if you want to switch to cable for phone, but you will be 
paying a much higher price for it, than if you did stick with BT and 
sorted out th problems with 18185 or went VoIP.  Depends if you are 
happy to cut your nose off to spite your face.

(I don't have a standard phone line, I am VoIP only, I use an ATA so no 
need for PC to be on to make and receive calls).

> Sorry, it's a DG834 V3 wired router/modem 

I don't think you can use it :-(

Never mind, a wireless cable router should only be around 30 quid.

Al.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


-- 
60 day free DVD rental: www.southeastbirmingham.co.uk/dvd
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/signage

> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

On 28 Jun 2007 18:58:12 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I presume I would need a cable modem
>
>VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
>ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.
>
>> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
>(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
>modem!).

I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
saying I could still use the router part of that?

>I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
>and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
>stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
>just too unreliable :-(

Yes I'd rather pay a little more and do without the hassle.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
 wrote:

>> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
>> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
>> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>>
>> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
>> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>>
>> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
>> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
>If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
>simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
>though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
>digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
>dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
>picture quality).

That's how I have the existing Sky setup, but for this idea I was
wondering how one could do the cable into separate rooms and be
independent of each other, avoiding the £10pm extra set top boxes.

But then if it's highly illegal I don't want that either.

>The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
>so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
>Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
>a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
>connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
>sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

Which I already have with my BT line, so I cant utilize that in any
way?

>www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
>http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.
>
>As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
>think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
>provider around.
>
>If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
>direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
>(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 

I hate BT with a passion (long story) It'll be a pleasure telling them
to shove it.

>Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
>Call 18185 for most other calls.

I hate Finerea with a passion, they have also stuffed my service up
and taken double payments etc, so I cant wait to tell them to shove it
as well! ;-)

>You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
>connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
>for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
>choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
>the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
>daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

That looks about the same sort of pricing as the Virgin pack I am
talking about.

>A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
>enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
>connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
>lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
>number and same provider.

That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
separated our calls so no arguments.

Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.

>VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
>Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.

Thanks

> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
> saying I could still use the router part of that?

The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
use it!

This thread ...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/87/25883-netgear-mr814-v2-problem.html

.... talks about connection problems.

In my experience, you shouldn't let your wireless 'dongles' be controlled 
by the manufacturers software, but rather let Windows handle the connection 
exclusively (for cable). I've found that when the IP lease expires that 
supplied software fails to aquire a new connection and you get nothing but 
"connection unavailable" messages. Windows XP works fine on its own when 
using the "Use Windows ..." setting.

Good luck :-)

Al.

On 29 Jun 2007 17:55:19 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
>> saying I could still use the router part of that?
>
>The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
>use it!

Sorry, it's a DG834 V3 wired router/modem

Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>> A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply
>> enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you
>> can connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.
>> With 2 lines you can have different numbers and different providers,
>> or same number and same provider.
>
> That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
> keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
> arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
> separated our calls so no arguments.
>
> Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
> nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.
>
>> VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR,
>> 3-Way Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting
>> call, etc.
>
> Thanks

No, the whole idea of an ATA is so you don't need the PC to be on at 
all.

Maybe you were thinking of Skype Hype, where for 99% of their devices 
you need a PC to be on.

£20 for VoIP.co.uk is the price for the whole year, not per month.

It's up to you if you want to switch to cable for phone, but you will be 
paying a much higher price for it, than if you did stick with BT and 
sorted out th problems with 18185 or went VoIP.  Depends if you are 
happy to cut your nose off to spite your face.

(I don't have a standard phone line, I am VoIP only, I use an ATA so no 
need for PC to be on to make and receive calls).

> Sorry, it's a DG834 V3 wired router/modem 

I don't think you can use it :-(

Never mind, a wireless cable router should only be around 30 quid.

Al.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


-- 
60 day free DVD rental: www.southeastbirmingham.co.uk/dvd
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/signage

> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

On 28 Jun 2007 18:58:12 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I presume I would need a cable modem
>
>VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
>ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.
>
>> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
>(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
>modem!).

I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
saying I could still use the router part of that?

>I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
>and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
>stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
>just too unreliable :-(

Yes I'd rather pay a little more and do without the hassle.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
 wrote:

>> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
>> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
>> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>>
>> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
>> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>>
>> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
>> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
>If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
>simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
>though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
>digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
>dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
>picture quality).

That's how I have the existing Sky setup, but for this idea I was
wondering how one could do the cable into separate rooms and be
independent of each other, avoiding the £10pm extra set top boxes.

But then if it's highly illegal I don't want that either.

>The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
>so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
>Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
>a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
>connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
>sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

Which I already have with my BT line, so I cant utilize that in any
way?

>www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
>http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.
>
>As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
>think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
>provider around.
>
>If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
>direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
>(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 

I hate BT with a passion (long story) It'll be a pleasure telling them
to shove it.

>Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
>Call 18185 for most other calls.

I hate Finerea with a passion, they have also stuffed my service up
and taken double payments etc, so I cant wait to tell them to shove it
as well! ;-)

>You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
>connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
>for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
>choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
>the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
>daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

That looks about the same sort of pricing as the Virgin pack I am
talking about.

>A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
>enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
>connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
>lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
>number and same provider.

That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
separated our calls so no arguments.

Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.

>VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
>Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.

Thanks

> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
> saying I could still use the router part of that?

The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
use it!

This thread ...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/87/25883-netgear-mr814-v2-problem.html

.... talks about connection problems.

In my experience, you shouldn't let your wireless 'dongles' be controlled 
by the manufacturers software, but rather let Windows handle the connection 
exclusively (for cable). I've found that when the IP lease expires that 
supplied software fails to aquire a new connection and you get nothing but 
"connection unavailable" messages. Windows XP works fine on its own when 
using the "Use Windows ..." setting.

Good luck :-)

Al.

On 29 Jun 2007 17:55:19 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
>> saying I could still use the router part of that?
>
>The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
>use it!

Sorry, it's a DG834 V3 wired router/modem

Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>> A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply
>> enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you
>> can connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.
>> With 2 lines you can have different numbers and different providers,
>> or same number and same provider.
>
> That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
> keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
> arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
> separated our calls so no arguments.
>
> Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
> nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.
>
>> VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR,
>> 3-Way Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting
>> call, etc.
>
> Thanks

No, the whole idea of an ATA is so you don't need the PC to be on at 
all.

Maybe you were thinking of Skype Hype, where for 99% of their devices 
you need a PC to be on.

£20 for VoIP.co.uk is the price for the whole year, not per month.

It's up to you if you want to switch to cable for phone, but you will be 
paying a much higher price for it, than if you did stick with BT and 
sorted out th problems with 18185 or went VoIP.  Depends if you are 
happy to cut your nose off to spite your face.

(I don't have a standard phone line, I am VoIP only, I use an ATA so no 
need for PC to be on to make and receive calls).

> Sorry, it's a DG834 V3 wired router/modem 

I don't think you can use it :-(

Never mind, a wireless cable router should only be around 30 quid.

Al.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


-- 
60 day free DVD rental: www.southeastbirmingham.co.uk/dvd
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/signage

> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

On 28 Jun 2007 18:58:12 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I presume I would need a cable modem
>
>VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
>ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.
>
>> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
>(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
>modem!).

I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
saying I could still use the router part of that?

>I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
>and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
>stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
>just too unreliable :-(

Yes I'd rather pay a little more and do without the hassle.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
 wrote:

>> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
>> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
>> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>>
>> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
>> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>>
>> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
>> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
>If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
>simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
>though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
>digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
>dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
>picture quality).

That's how I have the existing Sky setup, but for this idea I was
wondering how one could do the cable into separate rooms and be
independent of each other, avoiding the £10pm extra set top boxes.

But then if it's highly illegal I don't want that either.

>The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
>so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
>Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
>a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
>connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
>sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

Which I already have with my BT line, so I cant utilize that in any
way?

>www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
>http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.
>
>As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
>think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
>provider around.
>
>If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
>direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
>(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 

I hate BT with a passion (long story) It'll be a pleasure telling them
to shove it.

>Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
>Call 18185 for most other calls.

I hate Finerea with a passion, they have also stuffed my service up
and taken double payments etc, so I cant wait to tell them to shove it
as well! ;-)

>You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
>connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
>for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
>choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
>the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
>daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

That looks about the same sort of pricing as the Virgin pack I am
talking about.

>A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
>enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
>connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
>lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
>number and same provider.

That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
separated our calls so no arguments.

Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.

>VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
>Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.

Thanks

> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
> saying I could still use the router part of that?

The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
use it!

This thread ...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/87/25883-netgear-mr814-v2-problem.html

.... talks about connection problems.

In my experience, you shouldn't let your wireless 'dongles' be controlled 
by the manufacturers software, but rather let Windows handle the connection 
exclusively (for cable). I've found that when the IP lease expires that 
supplied software fails to aquire a new connection and you get nothing but 
"connection unavailable" messages. Windows XP works fine on its own when 
using the "Use Windows ..." setting.

Good luck :-)

Al.

On 29 Jun 2007 17:55:19 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
>> saying I could still use the router part of that?
>
>The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
>use it!

Sorry, it's a DG834 V3 wired router/modem

Paul wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
>> A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply
>> enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you
>> can connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.
>> With 2 lines you can have different numbers and different providers,
>> or same number and same provider.
>
> That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
> keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
> arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
> separated our calls so no arguments.
>
> Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
> nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.
>
>> VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR,
>> 3-Way Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting
>> call, etc.
>
> Thanks

No, the whole idea of an ATA is so you don't need the PC to be on at 
all.

Maybe you were thinking of Skype Hype, where for 99% of their devices 
you need a PC to be on.

£20 for VoIP.co.uk is the price for the whole year, not per month.

It's up to you if you want to switch to cable for phone, but you will be 
paying a much higher price for it, than if you did stick with BT and 
sorted out th problems with 18185 or went VoIP.  Depends if you are 
happy to cut your nose off to spite your face.

(I don't have a standard phone line, I am VoIP only, I use an ATA so no 
need for PC to be on to make and receive calls).

> Sorry, it's a DG834 V3 wired router/modem 

I don't think you can use it :-(

Never mind, a wireless cable router should only be around 30 quid.

Al.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>
> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>
> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>
> Thanks

If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
picture quality).

The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.

As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
provider around.

If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 
Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
Call 18185 for most other calls.

You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
number and same provider.

VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.


-- 
60 day free DVD rental: www.southeastbirmingham.co.uk/dvd
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NGN-use-by-GPs
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/signage

> I presume I would need a cable modem

VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.

> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?

All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
modem!).

I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
just too unreliable :-(

Al.

On 28 Jun 2007 18:58:12 GMT, Al  wrote:

>> I presume I would need a cable modem
>
>VM will supply (well, 'loan') a cheap'n'cheerful cable modem - Cable in, 
>ethernet out. Or of course they may use the one built into the STB.
>
>> Can I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>
>All you get is plain vanilla CM. You need a router suitable for cable 
>(don't waste money getting one suitable for ADSL - You already have the 
>modem!).

I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
saying I could still use the router part of that?

>I'm currently using a Netgear WGR614 with a Netgear WG111T for the desktop, 
>and the laptops are all using their built in wireless stuff. The Netgear 
>stuff is maybe a little expensive, but the Belkin stuff I had before was 
>just too unreliable :-(

Yes I'd rather pay a little more and do without the hassle.

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:21:17 GMT, "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}"
 wrote:

>> Can anyone point me in the right direction please.
>> I'm thinking of having the Virgin Media package which includes
>> TV/Phone and Broadband.
>>
>> Once installed, how do we get TV in other rooms in a DIY fashion? can
>> you buy the cable boxes and just use a Y splitter or something?
>>
>> I presume I would need a cable modem, as opposed to an ADSL modem, can
>> I still run three users off of this provided it is a router/modem?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>
>If you only want the same channel broadcast to the other TVs then you'd 
>simply split the signal out of the RF out and feed it to the other TVs, 
>though would be best to use a distribution amp.  You could also use some 
>digi-senders if the other TVs have scart sockets (though this is a 
>dearer way of going about things, it does give you stereo and better 
>picture quality).

That's how I have the existing Sky setup, but for this idea I was
wondering how one could do the cable into separate rooms and be
independent of each other, avoiding the £10pm extra set top boxes.

But then if it's highly illegal I don't want that either.

>The broadband they supply you with a cable modem, this is VMs property, 
>so you can't just keep it when you cancel their service.  This uses 
>Ethernet connection, if you want to share this connection, then you need 
>a cable/dsl router, this is a router with no modem in it, as you need to 
>connect the cable modem via Ethernet to the router.  You need to make 
>sure you don't buy a router with ADSL modem built-in.

Which I already have with my BT line, so I cant utilize that in any
way?

>www.broadbandbuyer, www.broadbandstuff.co.uk and 
>http://www.digidave.co.uk are a few places that have cable/dsl routers.
>
>As for the phone service, unless you don't plan to make any calls, I'd 
>think again about having phone service from VM, they are the dearest 
>provider around.
>
>If you have a BT line, you'd be better off sticking with BT. go on 
>direct debit with paperless billing (£10.50/month) free caller display 
>(bt.com/btprivacy - subject to two calls per month via BT) and use 

I hate BT with a passion (long story) It'll be a pleasure telling them
to shove it.

>Primus Saver 2 for free evening and weekend calls (£0.00 per month) and 
>Call 18185 for most other calls.

I hate Finerea with a passion, they have also stuffed my service up
and taken double payments etc, so I cant wait to tell them to shove it
as well! ;-)

>You could not bother with the phone line and use VoIP, buy an ATA and 
>connect up a regular phone, if you don't make many calls you could opt 
>for something like Sipgate, you get an incoming number any area of your 
>choice, no monthly fees, just pay for the calls.  Or VoIP.co.uk £20 for 
>the year and evening and weekend calls are free (up to 60 mins each) and 
>daytime calls 2p for 60 mins.

That looks about the same sort of pricing as the Virgin pack I am
talking about.

>A linksys PAP2 ATA (generic unlocked) can be bought of eBay cheaply 
>enough.  This gives you two lines, each line has a ren of 5, so you can 
>connect several phones up to each line as you would normally.  With 2 
>lines you can have different numbers and different providers, or same 
>number and same provider.

That presumably means you need the PC on all the time huh? I would be
keen to separate calls as there are three users here, and billing
arguments could be a problem.  That's why 18185 and 1899 was handy, it
separated our calls so no arguments.

Now they have stuffed up and trying to get sense out of them is a
nightmare, that's why I want to move on, life's too short.

>VoIP gives you all the extras free, such as Caller Display, ACR, 3-Way 
>Calling, Call Transfer, Call Waiting, Caller ID on waiting call, etc.

Thanks

> I currently have a new wired Netgear (814?) ADSL Modem/Router, are you
> saying I could still use the router part of that?

The MR814 is a combined cable/ADSL router I believe, in which case you can 
use it!

This thread ...

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/87/25883-netgear-mr814-v2-problem.html

.... talks about connection problems.

In my experience, you shouldn't let your wirel