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date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:19:00 +0100,    group: uk.media.radio.bbc-r4        back       
Primarolo's Party   
Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:19:00 +0100   author:   Spooooool

Re: Primarolo's Party   
Spooooool wrote:
> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny 
> 
> 
Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep 
the 24 week time limit for social abortion.
date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:41:50 +0100   author:   Hugh Oxford

Re: Primarolo's Party   
On 31 May, 09:41, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> Spooooool wrote:
> > Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
>
> Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep
> the 24 week time limit for social abortion.


Apparently, Hugh Turnip is pro-life. That's why
he wants to bring back hanging.
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 03:12:12 -0700 (PDT)   author:   1Z

Re: Primarolo's Party   
1Z wrote:
> On 31 May, 09:41, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
>> Spooooool wrote:
>>> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
>> Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep
>> the 24 week time limit for social abortion.
> 
> 
> Apparently, Hugh Turnip is pro-life. That's why
> he wants to bring back hanging.

Far more consistent than supporting abortion and opposing the death 
penalty. Is that your position?
date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:47:48 +0100   author:   Hugh Oxford

Re: Primarolo's Party   
Spooooool wrote:
> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party? Uncanny

Wasn't Abigail the daughter of the strait laced woman? She didn't appear in 
the play.

L
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 13:51:13 +0100   author:   Vipera berus l.c@v.n

Re: Primarolo's Party   
On 2 Jun, 11:47, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> 1Z wrote:
> > On 31 May, 09:41, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> >> Spooooool wrote:
> >>> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
> >> Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep
> >> the 24 week time limit for social abortion.
>
> > Apparently, Hugh Turnip is pro-life. That's why
> > he wants to bring back hanging.
>
> Far more consistent than supporting abortion and opposing the death
> penalty. Is that your position?


Nobody supports  abortion because they're anti-life.
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:15:20 -0700 (PDT)   author:   1Z

Re: Primarolo's Party   
1Z wrote:
> On 2 Jun, 11:47, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
>> 1Z wrote:
>>> On 31 May, 09:41, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
>>>> Spooooool wrote:
>>>>> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
>>>> Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep
>>>> the 24 week time limit for social abortion.
>>> Apparently, Hugh Turnip is pro-life. That's why
>>> he wants to bring back hanging.
>> Far more consistent than supporting abortion and opposing the death
>> penalty. Is that your position?
> 
> 
> Nobody supports  abortion because they're anti-life.

???
date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:40:46 +0100   author:   Hugh Oxford

Re: Primarolo's Party   
On 2 Jun, 15:40, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> 1Z wrote:
> > On 2 Jun, 11:47, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> >> 1Z wrote:
> >>> On 31 May, 09:41, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> >>>> Spooooool wrote:
> >>>>> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
> >>>> Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep
> >>>> the 24 week time limit for social abortion.
> >>> Apparently, Hugh Turnip is pro-life. That's why
> >>> he wants to bring back hanging.
> >> Far more consistent than supporting abortion and opposing the death
> >> penalty. Is that your position?
>
> > Nobody supports  abortion because they're anti-life.
>
> ???

Your support for the death penalty is incompatible with your "pro life
stance". My opposition to the death penalty is not incompatible with
any "anti life" stance.
date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 00:31:39 -0700 (PDT)   author:   1Z

Re: Primarolo's Party   
1Z wrote:
> On 2 Jun, 15:40, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
>> 1Z wrote:
>>> On 2 Jun, 11:47, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
>>>> 1Z wrote:
>>>>> On 31 May, 09:41, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
>>>>>> Spooooool wrote:
>>>>>>> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
>>>>>> Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep
>>>>>> the 24 week time limit for social abortion.
>>>>> Apparently, Hugh Turnip is pro-life. That's why
>>>>> he wants to bring back hanging.
>>>> Far more consistent than supporting abortion and opposing the death
>>>> penalty. Is that your position?
>>> Nobody supports  abortion because they're anti-life.
>> ???
> 
> Your support for the death penalty is incompatible with your "pro life
> stance". My opposition to the death penalty is not incompatible with
> any "anti life" stance.

Do you support legalised abortion?
date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:10:26 +0100   author:   Hugh Oxford

Re: Primarolo's Party   
On 3 Jun, 09:10, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> 1Z wrote:
> > On 2 Jun, 15:40, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> >> 1Z wrote:
> >>> On 2 Jun, 11:47, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> >>>> 1Z wrote:
> >>>>> On 31 May, 09:41, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> >>>>>> Spooooool wrote:
> >>>>>>> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
> >>>>>> Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep
> >>>>>> the 24 week time limit for social abortion.
> >>>>> Apparently, Hugh Turnip is pro-life. That's why
> >>>>> he wants to bring back hanging.
> >>>> Far more consistent than supporting abortion and opposing the death
> >>>> penalty. Is that your position?
> >>> Nobody supports  abortion because they're anti-life.
> >> ???
>
> > Your support for the death penalty is incompatible with your "pro life
> > stance". My opposition to the death penalty is not incompatible with
> > any "anti life" stance.
>
> Do you support legalised abortion?


I am persuaded by the argument that if it is made it illegal it goes
underground rather than vanishing off the face of the earth.
date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:54:21 -0700 (PDT)   author:   1Z

Re: Primarolo's Party   
>>> Your support for the death penalty is incompatible with your "pro life
>>> stance". My opposition to the death penalty is not incompatible with
>>> any "anti life" stance.
>> Do you support legalised abortion?
> 
> 
> I am persuaded by the argument that if it is made it illegal it goes
> underground rather than vanishing off the face of the earth.

So let me see if I've got this right.

You believe it should be legal to kill innocent people who cannot have 
committed any crime, for any reason at all, without trial or appeal and 
for any or no reason,  but that it should not be legal for the state to 
take the lives of people who have committed the most heinous and 
unconscionable crimes in extreme circumstances, after rigorous trial and 
appeal, in order to protect innocent life.

I believe the reverse, and I'm inconsistent.

Gercha.
date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 10:11:25 +0100   author:   Hugh Oxford

Re: Primarolo's Party   
On 3 Jun, 10:11, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> >>> Your support for the death penalty is incompatible with your "pro life
> >>> stance". My opposition to the death penalty is not incompatible with
> >>> any "anti life" stance.
> >> Do you support legalised abortion?
>
> > I am persuaded by the argument that if it is made it illegal it goes
> > underground rather than vanishing off the face of the earth.
>
> So let me see if I've got this right.
>
> You believe it should be legal to kill innocent people who cannot have
> committed any crime, for any reason at all, without trial or appeal and
> for any or no reason,

I believe medical abortion is the lesser of two evils compared to
backstreet abortion. Do you think
making something illegal stops it happening?

>but that it should not be legal for the state to
> take the lives of people who have committed the most heinous and
> unconscionable crimes in extreme circumstances, after rigorous trial and
> appeal, in order to protect innocent life.
>
> I believe the reverse, and I'm inconsistent.

You are inconsistently pro-life. (In fact, your explanation above is
entirely phrased in terms
of guilt and innocence). We have the choice whether or to use death as
a punishment. We
don't have a magic wand to wave that will make all forms of abortion
vanish.

> Gercha.

Odd that you are obsessed with the subject yet do not grasp the
debate.
date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 03:17:55 -0700 (PDT)   author:   1Z

Re: Primarolo's Party   
1Z wrote:
> 
> On 3 Jun, 09:10, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> > 1Z wrote:
> > > On 2 Jun, 15:40, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> > >> 1Z wrote:
> > >>> On 2 Jun, 11:47, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> > >>>> 1Z wrote:
> > >>>>> On 31 May, 09:41, Hugh Oxford  wrote:
> > >>>>>> Spooooool wrote:
> > >>>>>>> Doesn't Dawn P on Today sound the spit of Abigail from Ab's Party?  Uncanny
> > >>>>>> Apparently, Dawn cares about children. Which is why she voted to keep
> > >>>>>> the 24 week time limit for social abortion.
> > >>>>> Apparently, Hugh Turnip is pro-life. That's why
> > >>>>> he wants to bring back hanging.
> > >>>> Far more consistent than supporting abortion and opposing the death
> > >>>> penalty. Is that your position?
> > >>> Nobody supports  abortion because they're anti-life.
> > >> ???
> >
> > > Your support for the death penalty is incompatible with your "pro life
> > > stance". My opposition to the death penalty is not incompatible with
> > > any "anti life" stance.
> >
> > Do you support legalised abortion?
> 
> I am persuaded by the argument that if it is made it illegal it goes
> underground rather than vanishing off the face of the earth.

Let us then legalize (say) drug smuggling because so long as it is
illegal it will go on underground.

-- 
Remove "antispam" and ".invalid" for e-mail address.
date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:06:56 +0100   author:   Frederick Williams Frederick Williams@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid

Re: Primarolo's Party   
On 3 Jun, 12:06, Frederick Williams <"Frederick
Williams"@antispamhotmail.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> 1Z wrote:

> > I am persuaded by the argument that if it is made it illegal it goes
> > underground rather than vanishing off the face of the earth.
>
> Let us then legalize (say) drug smuggling because so long as it is
> illegal it will go on underground.

Some places have. The sky didn't fall in.
date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 04:14:22 -0700 (PDT)   author:   1Z

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